You can have my civil rights...I wasn't using them!

Im a high school student but I do not believe the government should be involved with the media. I do think however that the media should be restricted in the sense that they need to back off actors and musicians and let them have personal lives (along with government officials). I do not however believe that the government should be able to sensor the media again.
 
"Asked whether the press enjoys "too much freedom," not enough or about the right amount.."

That's not a good question at all - It can be interpreted too many different ways.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Agreed you only get smart in college.... :lol:
 
While I don't believe the gov't should censor the news, I do think the media better change they way they report..it is good to see that the next generation is not happy with the way the media outlets perform
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']Im a high school student but I do not believe the government should be involved with the media. I do think however that the media should be restricted in the sense that they need to back off actors and musicians and let them have personal lives (along with government officials). I do not however believe that the government should be able to sensor the media again.[/quote]

But isn't that censorship?
I agree, sometimes they go too far, but someone who wants fame and fortune and power like a famous actor/actress/politician, well, the paparazzi is part of it. Many of them did all they could before they got 'big' to get in as many mags as possible, but then when they get big say 'Leave me alone, give me privacy.' I don't think the media should hide a camera in their house, but as public figures, they are a bigger target of the cameras than Joe Smith, the butcher down the block.
I think the media should not harass the innocent kids/family members of these 'stars', but I don't think they should be legally prohibited from doing that.
Of course, if people would quit buying People Weekly or watching Entertainment Tonight, the problem would resolve itself.

I think the media does go too far in many cases [giving details about specific actions or plans the govt is taking to prevent terrorist attacks?], but I am not comfortable with the idea of the government okaying the articles. The media needs to start reporting with a conscience, rather than with the speed for the first, biggest story.
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']I do think however that the media should be restricted in the sense that they need to back off actors and musicians and let them have personal lives.[/quote]

It comes with the territory. They make tons of money and are adored by millions, and they certainly know what they are getting themselves into. Once an actor or musician is out of the limelight, their ability to make money sinks.
Call it a love / hate relationship.

If you make money your god, it will plague you like the devil.
- Henry Fielding (1707 - 1754)
 
it may come with the territory, but if the public doesn't want it, then the media will change its way of reporting/covering events...so if the polls reflect the way the next generation will think in their mid 30's, then a change may come about
 
I have certain problems with the media, both in war (Geraldo drawing maps in sand, how f'ing cute) and for "stars" (Princess Di...and the fact that by becoming something, i loose myself). The thing is, its not going to stop. Just like saving rainforests, not eating meat, or not wearing Fur it will NOT go away... even with legal mandates
 
[quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Most high school kids have a limited life experience, meaning they haven't held a real job, faced real responsibilities, etc. and have a whole lot of growing up left to do. Most high school kids are barely old enough to drive, much less vote or legally drink, so there's no way in hell I want someone as ignorant and inexperienced as some random high school kid determining what my constitutional rights can and should be.
 
If the consumers quit wanting that news, they'd quit reporting it. More high schoolers can name Hollywood couples who recently split, or the newest Hollywood babies, than can name any Supreme Court Justices or even their own congresspeople.

Rainforests:
" 87.5 percent of the [Amazon] forest is still intact. Of the 12.5 percent that is deforested, one-third to one-half is in the process of regeneration, meaning that up to 94 percent of the Amazon rainforest is left to nature."

"Only their fast growing, young trees take in CO2, and because trees fall down and decay, rainforests actually take in more oxygen than they release."
http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=274
http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=214
 
You don't think the government already has its hands in the media?

It's not blatant, but they do hold some things back.
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Most high school kids have a limited life experience, meaning they haven't held a real job, faced real responsibilities, etc. and have a whole lot of growing up left to do. Most high school kids are barely old enough to drive, much less vote or legally drink, so there's no way in hell I want someone as ignorant and inexperienced as some random high school kid determining what my constitutional rights can and should be.[/quote]

Wow, that's exactly what I meant but I didn't feel like typing it out... :p
 
[quote name='Kayden']You don't think the government already has its hands in the media?

It's not blatant, but they do hold some things back.[/quote]

But do they hold things back like, "Don't report this or we'll kill/punish/imprison you," or is it more like "No comment."
Or is it even, "You know what, we'd *reallllly* appreciate it if you didn't report this for, oh, two weeks."

Either of the latter two, I don't have a problem with.
 
This is ridiculous! The framers set up this country so that the press would be "the unofficial fourth branch" of the government. I don't like everything the media does (Geraldo in Iraq, paprazzi, etc.), but the second you try and limit them, we are headed towards a oppressive dictatorship. They are how we are able to know what's going on with the government. And government officials put themselves out in public view when they run for office. When you become a governor or president, the public has every right to know about your personal life. It is the things in our leaders lives and their personal beliefs that make policy, and we have a right to know what that is. If you don't agree, try and convince the majority of America who voted in the recent election based on personal values.

[quote name='Kayden']You don't think the government already has its hands in the media?

It's not blatant, but they do hold some things back.[/quote]
The only things that are controlled are things that are allowed to be controlled by the Constitution (i.e. libel, National Security issues, obsenity and pornography). And that is a necessary thing. Sure, we never know what exactly is held back regarding National Security, but that is the purpose. If we knew, then the people who are a danger would know.
 
[quote name='Kayden']You don't think the government already has its hands in the media?

It's not blatant, but they do hold some things back.[/quote]

THANKS, MR CONSERVATIVE! I bet you're pissed the Iraqi elections were successful too, right?
 
There is nothing new about this. High schoolers have always produced dismaying answers to survey, especially when the questions are asked in a fashion that prompts the preferred wrong answer. It's always been good ink to produce stories about 'the appalling state of our youth.'

People mature at different rates. Recent brain studies have found that the average teenager doesn't just act as if they're incapable of functioning as rational, he truly can't do it. There are a lot of changes the brain is going through right up into the early twenties. This doesn't mean the typical teenager is a tri-state murder spree waiting to happen but just that there is s agood reason why they should remain under parental control up until they're 18, at the least. You can stuff the kid's head full of useful information but a certain amount of real life experience is required before it can settle into a useful form.

Modern civilization requires much more of a person than it did centuries earlier. It was recognized then that maturity comes well after reproductive capability begins but lifespans were much shorter and one couldn't spend a lot of time waiting to make whatever life you'd have. Today we have the luxury of spending time in college and being much more seasoned before being thrown to the wolves in the real world.
 
Corporate ownership and consolidation has done more to censor the media than the government could ever get away with, short of rescinding the first amendment.
 
See, that's not censorship, that's responding to market demands. There is nothing in the world stopping you from creating your own newspaper, e-zine, website, etc, and saying what you want--except for you.
Using 'censorship' in that context is fallacious, as is referring to the first amendment.
There is no first amendment guarantee among private parties or owners.
 
[quote name='Kain Vincent'][quote name='CaptainObviousXl']im in high school and i believe most my peers are dumb asses[/quote]

Great minds think alike, eh?[/quote]

I third that...but I go to a magnet school for math and science classes. I know smart teenagers, which makes dealing with the ones at my home school all the more painful.

Smart kids at magnet school = good thing
Idiots at regular school = hellish
 
I can somewhat see where this survey is coming from because when I first read about this my first thought was of Television news, which is COMPLETELY out of control. They pretend to be fair and unbaised when most of the network news stations are extremely biased in favor of the left and FoxNews obviously biased in favor of the right. It's worthless sensationalized garbage information.

That being said, it's not the media's fault sensationalism gets viewers, it's the viewers fault for watching it.
 
I wasnt saying that the media should be censored to what they can and can not report on, just merely that they shouldnt be able to spy on actors or actress's family or them while on; vacation, at home, church, or any other private place. Their are boundries to public and private lives, and just because someone entertains the mass's doesnt mean their private life is sacrificed. The American public doesnt realize that they have a massive obsession with regular people...I mean if Cameron Diaz was the waitress at Denny's I dont think people would be following her around on vacation. Just because I see her in a movie doesnt mean I have the right to see her private life.

Sorry for the ramble...Im just really sick of the "American Public's" obsession with artist's...be it music,film,politician, etc.
 
[quote name='CaptainObviousXl']im in high school and i believe most my peers are dumb asses[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not putting myself on a pedestal or anything but most kids my age are fucked up litte shits who are incapable of independent/complex thought
 
[quote name='vherub']wait a second, high school kids read the newspaper?
when?[/quote]

I know a high-schooler (Senior) who wouldn't even read a FREE USA Today delivered to his house! :roll:

* above post based on a TRUE story
 
[quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Most (51%) of Americans are dumbasses. Look in the whitehouse if you don't believe me.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Most (51%) of Americans are dumbasses. Look in the whitehouse if you don't believe me.[/quote]

Did anyone catch the 'classic' rerun of SNL from 1976 last sat. on NBC? One of the skits was for the "National Association for very stupid people" (or something to that effect). For your info, before the show there was a slide that said that it was an encore presentation (well duh) of an episode that won the emmy for best variety/musical show.
 
These survey results can be interpreted more as disapproval of the media than disregard for civil rights. Personally, I find a lot to dislike about the way the media delivers "the news" to us all. Between pandering to the lowest common denominator in an effort to turn a buck and withholding whatever stories the management for each news company finds ill-flavored, relative to their own political/religious mindset, I consider the press to be far too sensationalistic and untrustworthy (if such a thing can be said without sounding paranoid.)

Realize that the questions of this survey were specifically geared toward The Press. Not "the public's right to report on federally-relevant topics" or the simple rights to exercise free speech, etc. ..which is what they tried to turn the entire affair around to reflect upon. The press. After all, what happens when the average American--in high school or not--feels that the almighty press is taking advantage of our civil liberties to pursue private gains, instead of championing our rights in order to best serve the public? You should never forget that the bottom line is what matter$ to any company in America....industrial factories, insurance companies, and newspaper companies alike.
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']Sorry for the ramble...Im just really sick of the "American Public's" obsession with artist's...be it music,film,politician, etc.[/quote]

You are totally right on that point. It's the obscession and fascination that generates the interest. In turn, the media outlets are very happy to capitalize on the public's obscession and make bucks. I still do not understand who cares about a football player's private life and why during the pre-game shows the networks have to "give us a glimpse into the private life of Bill Romanowski"!! Who gives a rat's ass? It's just plain propaganda (putting a human face on a guy that could rip your mother's head off...).
 
[quote name='RBM']These survey results can be interpreted more as disapproval of the media than disregard for civil rights. [/quote]

Here's a link to the study organizer's press release

Survey Finds First Amendment Is Being Left Behind in U.S. High Schools

The study did not center around the press, but on the knowledge of the First Amendment.

Among its findings:

* Nearly three-fourths of high school students either do not know how they feel about the First Amendment or admit they take it for granted.
* Seventy-five percent erroneously think flag burning is illegal.
* Half believe the government can censor the Internet.
* More than a third think the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees.
Click to expand...

We have 36% of eighteen year old voters believing that the government should put its stamp of approval on what is being published.

:shock:
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']I wasnt saying that the media should be censored to what they can and can not report on, just merely that they shouldnt be able to spy on actors or actress's family or them while on; vacation, at home, church, or any other private place. Their are boundries to public and private lives, and just because someone entertains the mass's doesnt mean their private life is sacrificed. The American public doesnt realize that they have a massive obsession with regular people...I mean if Cameron Diaz was the waitress at Denny's I dont think people would be following her around on vacation. Just because I see her in a movie doesnt mean I have the right to see her private life.

Sorry for the ramble...Im just really sick of the "American Public's" obsession with artist's...be it music,film,politician, etc.[/quote]

I don't think your Che avatar would be too happy with your protection of the preferred class. I wish the government would censor people who still like Che.

And by censor, I mean beat up.

On a related note, I created a general knowledge survey when I was in high school and the number of people who couldn't name the vice president was staggering. We're talking about people who get their media news from Eminem and morning radio talk shows.

Do I really care what they think? Not so much.
 
[quote name='The Successful Dropout']hey, whats wrong with Eminem and morning radio talk shows? :twoguns:[/quote]

Eminem and morning radio talk shows should be a part of a person's well-balanced knowledge of the world around them, not the sole source of said information. Limited sources of information mean limited knowledge or general ignorance, unfortunately.
 
[quote name='tickdude']The study did not center around the press, but on the knowledge of the First Amendment. [/quote]

Whups. You're quite right. I'd read an article about this on the BBCNews site this morning and thought the questions were focused on journalism & the perception of its role by high school students. However, that link you provided to the site describing the study obviously proves otherwise.

Nevermind my previous spiel. I didn't know what I was talking about. :oops:
 
I don't get how you can say this and have Che in your sig. Media manipulation was his bread and butter.

[quote name='karmapolice620']Im a high school student but I do not believe the government should be involved with the media. [/quote]
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777'][quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Agreed you only get smart in college.... :lol:[/quote]


agreed, i get the impression that a huge percentage of hs kids nowadays are just a bunch of cry-baby drama queens that start half-assed arguments, but never follow up on them. or when pressed for a reason, they say "cus its wrong"..the issue that comes 2 mind here is that of a school in the midwest, that told the students to clip orange ID tags to themselves to identify themselves, since several stragglers were letting themselves in , whether it be for pranks , fights or the like..
the students were in an uproar, how the id tags were a violation of theyr rights as human beings. and how they feel less of a person when they see theyr tags in the morning. several students put huge stickers on the tags stating "worn under protest" ..a student being interviewed stated "they arent the boss of me, this tag wont take a bullet for me if anything happens"
boo, freakin hoo...
just my 2 cents :)
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='The Successful Dropout']hey, whats wrong with Eminem and morning radio talk shows? :twoguns:[/quote]

Eminem and morning radio talk shows should be a part of a person's well-balanced knowledge of the world around them, not the sole source of said information. Limited sources of information mean limited knowledge or general ignorance, unfortunately.[/quote]

Yes, you should be aware of your surroundings. But to be aware of filth, you need not be engulfed in it.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']What's truly sad is that most of these students scored better than Dubya would have.[/quote]

[quote name='camoor'][quote name='javeryh']Most high school students are dumbasses.[/quote]

Most (51%) of Americans are dumbasses. Look in the whitehouse if you don't believe me.[/quote]

What do either of these have to do with the discussion about high school students....

answer=nothing.
 
[quote name='msdmoney']What do either of these have to do with the discussion about high school students....

answer=nothing.[/quote]

You're going to be a very busy boy if you point out every post that is not directly related to the topic at hand.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='msdmoney']What do either of these have to do with the discussion about high school students....

answer=nothing.[/quote]

You're going to be a very busy boy if you point out every post that is not directly related to the topic at hand.[/quote]

He was just doing what I was trying to refrain from doing. Stop showing your hatred if you don't want people to point it out. It's like how John Kerry conceded the election, but Michael Moore can't even get over it. Just let it go. It's over.
 
Well Kerry didn't complain because he didn't want his political carreer to be shot. Look at what happened to Gore where he contested the 2000 election. Moore can afford to keep complaining, even when everyone else has given up hope.
 
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='msdmoney']What do either of these have to do with the discussion about high school students....

answer=nothing.[/quote]

You're going to be a very busy boy if you point out every post that is not directly related to the topic at hand.[/quote]

He was just doing what I was trying to refrain from doing. Stop showing your hatred if you don't want people to point it out. It's like how John Kerry conceded the election, but Michael Moore can't even get over it. Just let it go. It's over.[/quote]

I'm over the election but that still doesn't make Dubya a smart man which is all I was saying.
 
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