Metal Gear Solid Sucks. All of them. All along.

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I just beat Portable Ops tonight and the whole experience has made me reflect muchly on the series as a whole and just how much it has sucked all along. By the end of it, it was painfully clear that I could have beaten the game, with nearly all sidequests done in about half the time if not a third if I wasn't constantly redoing things as a result of the controls. This sums up my experience with every metal gear game up till now.


Now I'm aware that Portable Ops had a fixed camera where you literally have to manhandle it for EVERY little thing. Most of the time I wasn't able to connect with blows or ran into people/walls while I was busy getting pwned and having guys run off on me all while fixing the camera *BEFORE* I could do anything. Even though Portable Ops was extra guilty in this area, it got me thinking "you know, it really wasn't different for the other games either". The actual gameplay for this entire series has actually sucked. We've all been brainwashed by the cutscenes and a few neat boss encounters.

My history with the series:


Metal Gear Solid - The whole cinematic thing was quite cool for its time, as well as the cutscenes being so neat that you *wanted* to play them back as a movie. Also the boss formula was quite new and interesting, and hadn't become formulaic yet so the long dialogues with the villains were actually interesting. Despite the whole thing looking like a blurry pixellated mess on the PS1, because action games were still more fantasy pew pew based than military based at the time, all the military terminology and situations derived from actual events gave it an air of authentic cool. Gameplay still sucked but you got used to it and it was new (same as NES but in 3D = new!).


Metal Gear Solid 2 - My first experience with crappy console to PC ports and a harbinger of things to come years later. I never finished this due to a bug in the PC version that always pointed the Nikita to the bottom left corner for me so I got stuck at one bit where I had to guide the missile through the pipe. Nevertheless the fiddlyness of the controls was starting to get to me on this one (along with Raiden) , even less points for keyboard controls. Thank god someone edited this into a movie.


Metal Gear Solid 3 - THANK GOD SOMEONE EDITED THIS INTO A MOVIE!! lol I never even played through this one. I tried to get into it but I kept thinking it was too slow paced , or something was just off about the game design. The jungle survival and hunting was getting in the way of the stealth action which is supposed to be the draw of the series . One thing that I now realise that was subconsciously annoying me at this point were the controls, their suckage really becoming apparent now compared to other games at its time. Especially the number of button presses involved to get anything done.


Portable Ops - In addition to the above, I now start noticing the formula is really getting stupid. Does Snake ever have any enemies that aren't really his admirers/wanting to be his bosom buddies best friend warrior's honor bla bla by the time they die? Another thing about this game is that nearly 90% of the items you get you never use due to the ridiculously small inventory. You can also never truly enjoy the weapons as the "auto aim" likes to either point in the wrong direction or only turn halfway towards the right direction 90% of the time and manual aiming is slow as hell. The button presses *STILL* suck.


So... Metal Gear Solid 4. I've heard they're fixing the controls. They better. At this point I'm considering that this is a diseased cow that needs to be put down. And made into a movie by New Line. Even Kojima's gotten tired of it.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I think you're just angry because you wasted your time on the piece of shit Portable Ops.[/quote]

I wasn't paying attention to this thread. I was looking at Chacrana's signature...it just seemed more interesting than what was in the original post.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I wasn't paying attention to this thread. I was looking at Chacrana's signature...it just seemed more interesting than what was in the original post.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's because it is.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I wasn't paying attention to this thread. I was looking at Chacrana's signature...it just seemed more interesting than what was in the original post.[/QUOTE]

Wait, there was an original post?
 
MGS3: Subsistence doesn't suck. I'm not motivated to play any of the other versions though. I start them, but never finish them. except the digital graphic novel-- that was awesome.
 
Well, this is more interesting than the thread, at any rate, so yeah:

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No names will be devulged, but guys, you can go ahead and save that and enjoy it... at your leisure.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Well, this is more interesting than the thread, at any rate, so yeah:[/QUOTE]

Personally, I'm more curious about the one in your avatar.

Hook a brother up.
 
I...

... somewhat agree with the original post, while most of my physical body agrees with Chacrana's signature.
 
I don't really like MGS. The first one was new, so I thought it was rad at the time, MGS 2 blew, and MGS 3 wasn't very good until they re released it with the adjustable camera(still didn't help that the villains were lame as fuck, minus Volgin, Ocelot, and the Boss). It also seems like the further ahead in time Kojima jumps, the more shit-stupid his plot-lines become. I like some of the characters in the series (who wouldn't like Snake?), but I never thought it was as erection inducing sweet as people make it out to be.

Then again, I like Nintendo games the most, so there you go.
 
[quote name='Kendal']Holy fucking cameltoe![/quote]

I love how I can click on a thread about MGS and read something like this. :D
 
I liked the first one ok, but couldn't get into the second one.

I just have no patience for stealth-oriented games. I hate pussy-footing around, more of a shoot the shit out of everything in sight type of gamer.
 
Chacrana? I hereby forgive you for... anything and everything you've ever done wrong. Huzzah for justfortrq.jpg!

Also, MGS is the only stealth franchise I'll even bother with. I've no patience for Splinter Cell's "Here's a gun - now don't use it!" take, but MGS works just fine for me.
 
I think cag and gamefaqs have pretty much blurred into one now. 10 bucks says the mods arent even going to clean up the thread and keep it on topic.
 
If it weren't for the fact that the OP registered over a year ago, I'd actually propose that the OP was indeed Chac under a false name, given to this thread merely to allow him to post favorites from his C:\Program Files\Microsoft\Application Data\Internet Explorer\Data\SuperData\BigData\NotPorn\SeriouslyNotPorn\OkyougotmeIloveporn\!porn Anime\Not Hentai\Anime Part 001\Avatar Potential Batch 1 folder.

Which would be a clever ruse indeed. Kind of.
 
[quote name='Strell']If it weren't for the fact that the OP registered over a year ago, I'd actually propose that the OP was indeed Chac under a false name, given to this thread merely to allow him to post favorites from his C:\Program Files\Microsoft\Application Data\Internet Explorer\Data\SuperData\BigData\NotPorn\SeriouslyNotPorn\OkyougotmeIloveporn\!porn Anime\Not Hentai\Anime Part 001\Avatar Potential Batch 1 folder.

Which would be a clever ruse indeed. Kind of.[/QUOTE]

Too bad you can't fucking hack me, $$$$$$!
 
[quote name='Noodle Pirate!']I think cag and gamefaqs have pretty much blurred into one now. 10 bucks says the mods arent even going to clean up the thread and keep it on topic.[/quote]

no wai wii uz grammer n pukuashun
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Chacrana? I hereby forgive you for... anything and everything you've ever done wrong. Huzzah for justfortrq.jpg![/QUOTE]

See? It wasn't just for me ...

[quote name='Noodle Pirate!']I think cag and gamefaqs have pretty much blurred into one now. 10 bucks says the mods arent even going to clean up the thread and keep it on topic.[/QUOTE]

Gamefaqs wishes it had this much hentai crotch cleavage.
 
[quote name='guinaevere']
  1. Chac, put a sweater on.
  2. Is this thread even worth bothering with, or should I just close it?
[/QUOTE]

First, never.

Second, leave it open, please. The OP is boring, but we're having a good time here.
 
One day you're gonna catch cold and you're gonna say, "why didn't I listen to gwen?"

Since you asked nicely... carry on. Just don't get too carried away.
 
Maybe it *is* Portable Ops getting to me, I have no idea how the game got 90% ish reviews (except Gaming Age which knocked it down to a 'B' because of the controls) because the controls really ruin the game. I would say its mid to high 70's and definitely a used/discount purchase.

If you think Metal Gear is cool, chances are you are remembering the story, characters, cutscenes etc. Most people aren't remembering the gameplay. It's primarily the storytelling that makes us romanticise the series, but by now the philosophical babble is getting to me and the whole series is only one step away from Final Fantasy Mythology 101 storytelling.

f I ever have nothing to play I might go back and get through MGS3 again just to see if it's as bad as Portable Ops made me think it might be. The seeds of my current train of thought were planted when I watched user made movies of MGS last year to find out what happened at the end of 2 and what happened in 3 because I didnt want to play it and realised that was 90% of the experience right there lol

Lock the thread if everyone's just going to say "piss off" and discuss chacrana's boobies rofl
 
[quote name='Mufasa']MGS is awesome and so are real women, not cartoons.[/QUOTE]

Who says it's an either/or?
 
[quote name='trq']Who says it's an either/or?[/QUOTE]


everything on the internet is either/or.

This thread is way more interesting than MGS. I'm gonna hack MGS4 so that slideshows of Chacrana's semi-hentai folder play during cutscenes.
 
[quote name='fathamburger']Maybe it *is* Portable Ops getting to me, I have no idea how the game got 90% ish reviews (except Gaming Age which knocked it down to a 'B' because of the controls) because the controls really ruin the game. I would say its mid to high 70's and definitely a used/discount purchase.

If you think Metal Gear is cool, chances are you are remembering the story, characters, cutscenes etc. Most people aren't remembering the gameplay. It's primarily the storytelling that makes us romanticise the series, but by now the philosophical babble is getting to me and the whole series is only one step away from Final Fantasy Mythology 101 storytelling.

f I ever have nothing to play I might go back and get through MGS3 again just to see if it's as bad as Portable Ops made me think it might be. The seeds of my current train of thought were planted when I watched user made movies of MGS last year to find out what happened at the end of 2 and what happened in 3 because I didnt want to play it and realised that was 90% of the experience right there lol

Lock the thread if everyone's just going to say "piss off" and discuss chacrana's boobies rofl[/QUOTE]

The boobs are more interesting, but honestly, Portable Ops had me wodering whether or not I really liked the series. I got over it after a while though... I still love the three main games.

And this is an awesome thread. There is nothing better than MGS and tits.
 
[quote name='fathamburger']If you think Metal Gear is cool, chances are you are remembering the story, characters, cutscenes etc. Most people aren't remembering the gameplay. It's primarily the storytelling that makes us romanticise the series, but by now the philosophical babble is getting to me and the whole series is only one step away from Final Fantasy Mythology 101 storytelling.[/quote]After MGS & MGS2, just about the only thing I liked about the games was the gameplay. I hate melodramatic characters who drone one and on. I dislike the idiotic storylines.

Still haven't played Snake Eater.

[quote name='Chacrana']And this is an awesome thread. There is nothing better than MGS and tits.[/quote]...sometimes I have no idea how to respond to the stuff that's said around here.
 
portable ops sucks more than an octopus. do not judge the series based on one game. sure their games arent RE4 good but each one lasted me a good 10 hours (not counting replays). but if you have a problem with MGS go to another series like Halo, ResidentEvil, Mario, Zelda, Madden, Devil may cry, Gran Turismo and many others
 
btw, I wanna thank the OP for not being a douche. Most of the time when I derail a topic for no reason, the OP is like WTF YOU ASS HOW DARE YOU DEFILE MY TOPICZ!?!, but this OP took that in stride and didn't bitch about it. Which I respect.

So good job. You got:

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Also, I like MGS 2's story.
 
[quote name='Apossum']everything on the internet is either/or.

This thread is way more interesting than MGS. I'm gonna hack MGS4 so that slideshows of Chacrana's semi-hentai folder play during cutscenes.[/QUOTE]

No need: thanks to the whole actresses-in-cybernetic-animal-suits-as-bosses thing, I'm sure there'll be plenty of built-in fan-service that nobody is really comfortable with.

[quote name='Chacrana']And this is an awesome thread. There is nothing better than MGS and tits.[/QUOTE]

So Kojima would have us believe.

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[quote name='guinaevere']After MGS & MGS2, just about the only thing I liked about the games was the gameplay. I hate melodramatic characters who drone on and on. I dislike the idiotic storylines.

Still haven't played Snake Eater.[/QUOTE]

Snake Eater is worth it, IMO. I almost didn't bother with it after MGS2, but it goes a long way towards fixing some of those issues (though they don't vanish completely, of course).
 
I personally like the MG series. However, I agree the controls are often temperamental and the stories are..... shall we say... special (but fun). There was a penny acracde comic about them... something about ronald mcdonald in a van in a parking lot going back in time. Seriously though, I can understand your gripes and Kojima is done with the series after this, wanted to walk away before 4.
 
[quote name='phear3d']youre not missing much believe me.[/quote]It's very funny that you, with the MGS2 avatar is telling me to stay away from another MGS game.
 
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