Wow, I just saw a blooming idiot in my local gamestore...

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I bought a couple of pre-played PS One games. They are resurfacing the discs whiel I wait. As I wait, this jackass with a 5 or 6 year old kid comes to the counter. He buys Saints Row for the kid. He tells the clerk, "I know it's a little mature but it keeps him out of my hair." Man, I wanted to lecture this dude on the spot, but I didn't.

Jack Thompson, this is the real shit you need to deal with. Dumbass parents. The problem is that they have to sell if the parent is there, despite the fact he is a fucking moron.
 
Unfortuantely, most of the parents in this country are too lazy to really raise their kids. My mom probably would've done the same thing but all we had was an Atari back in the day.
 
Ugh, that makes me sick. Lazy parents who don't care enough about thier kids to even filter out games for them, or even know what's in the games their playing, just makes me upset.
 
I agree with the OP. Except, a store does not have to sell anybody anything. You can turn down anybody for anything so long as you are not denying them because they are a minority, etc.
 
[quote name='chosen1s']I agree with the OP. Except, a store does not have to sell anybody anything. You can turn down anybody for anything so long as you are not denying them because they are a minority, etc.[/QUOTE]

Those are murky waters for an entry level employee to tread though.
 
:lol: "keeps him outta my hair"...

So, if he doesn't want to deal with the kid, can we eat him? Why the fuck did he have the kid? Can we castrate him?
 
I guess the best thing we can do is take these experiences and, if we ever have kids, know how to regulate the games for them to hopefully make them better people than the kids we know who aren't disciplined.
 
There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.[/QUOTE]

Are you Serious?

I could see that being said for something like.. Tomb Raider, or some other generic 3rd person game that just has a little violence, and maybe a little oversexuality.

SAINTS ROW? Have you played this game? There is tons of realistic violence, runnin people over, hookers, drug use, tons of vulgar language.

This is not something that anyone uner the age of 18 (and maybe over) should play. If you want your 5-6 year old dropping the F-bomb and talking about frecklebitches funjobs, by all means, let him play saints row. What exactly are you going to explain to him, that they only shoot the bad people? That he shouldn't use that language that all the cool characters are?

The sad thing is that the sack of shit that bought that for his kid will probably end up giving him a beating when he repeats the language and behavior in the game. Surprise, surprise.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.[/quote]

"Now son, watch close as daddy busts a cap in this pimp so I can steal his hoes."

I'm sorry man, but I have to disagree with you. There is absolutely no reason why a 5 or 6 year old should be playing Saint's Row or any other M rated game for that matter. I just started playing it last night and was pretty suprised by the game's extreme use of vulgarity.
 
[quote name='Deadpool']Well i doubt that a 5 or 6 year old knows what a pimp and/or ho is.[/QUOTE]

Still wouldn't stop them from repeating the words they see on television... kids parrot anything they see on TV.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.[/QUOTE]

yeah a 5-6 year old kid can play a game glorifying gangs and killing people and basically anything bad you can think of. Great idea, i say we also take them to the morgue and show them dead bodies so they can understand what happens to dead people. There is such a thing as the "right" time to talk to your kids about this stuff but 5-6 might be a little young don't you think. if this was a teenager than maybe that argument makes sense, but a kid still watching Bob the Builder doesn't need to be playing Saints Row. I am a parent of 2 and i agree that most parents are pathetic. Maybe most is extreme but I see a lot of bad parents. People do anything to shut kids up as long as it doesn't involve actually interacting with them. Lazy is an understatment, it is really sad, and the kids are the ones who suffer because of their parents lack of responsibility.
 
[quote name='jer7583']The sad thing is that the sack of shit that bought that for his kid will probably end up giving him a beating when he repeats the language and behavior in the game. Surprise, surprise.[/quote]
Very True.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I bought a couple of pre-played PS One games. They are resurfacing the discs whiel I wait. As I wait, this jackass with a 5 or 6 year old kid comes to the counter. He buys Saints Row for the kid. He tells the clerk, "I know it's a little mature but it keeps him out of my hair." Man, I wanted to lecture this dude on the spot, but I didn't.

Jack Thompson, this is the real shit you need to deal with. Dumbass parents. The problem is that they have to sell if the parent is there, despite the fact he is a fucking moron.[/quote]

Could there have been the possibility that the guy was just trying to be funny with the clerk? Perhaps he was just trying to be a smart ass. If the guy asked for Saints Row outright, he had to be familar with the game's content....but there's always the fact that the guy was really serious and is a complete moron.
 
This shit irritates me to no end, and undermines any faith I have in the future of the "U-S-A!! U-S-A!!", but it doesn't surprise me. I also reflexively visualized the 'parent' in this anecdote being a "Joe Dirt" doppleganger.

The wheels have been set in motion. Our once-great country will collapse into a cultural and intellectual sinkhole created by the ignorant and immoral reproducing without prejudice or restraint, while the ambitious make having a family even less of a priority. Just pray that when the implosion occurs, you'll be watching from your heavily-guarded suburban fortress community, and not in the middle of the urban chaos.

I have to say, I think Ducard made a compelling case....
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']This shit irritates me to no end, and undermines any faith I have in the future of the "U-S-A!! U-S-A!!", but it doesn't surprise me. I also reflexively visualized the 'parent' in this anecdote being a "Joe Dirt" doppleganger.

The wheels have been set in motion. Our once-great country will collapse into a cultural and intellectual sinkhole created by the ignorant and immoral reproducing without prejudice or restraint, while the ambitious make having a family even less of a priority. Just pray that when the implosion occurs, you'll be watching from your heavily-guarded suburban fortress community, and not in the middle of the urban chaos.

I have to say, I think Ducard made a compelling case....[/QUOTE]

You just expressed a lot of things that i've tried to understand for a long time. Thanks.

It doesn't seem like things should be so hopeless.. there's got to be something people can do to turn things around.
 
[quote name='eaglebeak']Could there have been the possibility that the guy was just trying to be funny with the clerk? Perhaps he was just trying to be a smart ass. If the guy asked for Saints Row outright, he had to be familar with the game's content....but there's always the fact that the guy was really serious and is a complete moron.[/quote]

He said it pretty matter-of-factly IMO. He said it's the only thing that keeps the kid's attention.
 
No I don't have kids, but my family had custody of my cousins for two years when they were 4 and 7 years old and I certainly would not let them play any M-rated titles. The only games I let them play were age approriate and even then I supervised.

Their mother however, let them play M-rated titles like Mortal Kombat once she got them back from her "sabbatical" and I can already see the difference in the boy who is now 9.
 
sad to see I am part of the well rounded generation that wasn't SPOILED by our parents :) My 4 year old nephew LOVES spiderman, star wars, teen titans and The Batman and Power Rangers. I think he will turn out ok, as Long as he doesn't emulate the stuff from Power Rangers......what a shitty show that should have been canceled years ago!
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']sad to see I am part of the well rounded generation that wasn't SPOILED by our parents :) My 4 year old nephew LOVES spiderman, star wars, teen titans and The Batman and Power Rangers. I think he will turn out ok, as Long as he doesn't emulate the stuff from Power Rangers......what a shitty show that should have been canceled years ago![/quote]

They certainly have squeezed more out of Power Rangers than I ever thought possible. I almost expected to see CAPCOM flash at the end of each show with all the sequels.
 
I agree 5-6 playing Saints Row or any other M-Rated title is a little past ridiculous.

However, speaking as a parent who plays M-Rated games, when 2 of my daughters were around 8 or 9 i'd allow them to play GTA WITH ME. However, parenting isn't just shielding your children from everything so that once they reach a certain age they are blindsided by it. Its a continuous process. If you teach your child right and wrong, reality and fiction, how to speak properly and etc, it becomes simply reinforcements when playing games of more mature content. Although that may seem a little ridiculous, think about when most of you FIRST played a game like Mortal Kombat. I myself, was about 10. MY parents did pretty much the same thing with me that i have with my children, in making CERTAIN that i continuously understood the big difference between what was on my TV screen and real life.

Parents are just fucking LAZY nowadays. Sometimes if i'm playing Gears of War i have to explain to my 3 year old that what im playing is NOT real... but i cant imagine allowing him to play by himself.

the person that the OP is talkin about.... is a complete jackass
 
I have to agree with what everyone is saying about mature games have their target audience. I wonder what is going to happen if this parent mentioned in the OP becomes the norm of parenting since so far what I have read that most parents are lazy on raising children.

If put in a situation where you have a kid who needs something to do and you're thinking of the videogame route, what do you all recommend for a videogame if you were the parent or the employee faced with this parent?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']He said it pretty matter-of-factly IMO. He said it's the only thing that keeps the kid's attention.[/QUOTE]

A dick slapping always keeps the ladies in line. Maybe he should try that on the little bastard.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.[/quote]

Calm down, everybody. It's a quote from 50 Cent. He was explaining to parents that it would be OK for them to buy his shitty ass game for the kiddies as long as you play it with them and explain why it's so violent and shitty.
 
i actually just played the demo of the game yesterday, and i don't think i was mature enough for it... or too mature for it... in the gaming world, it's gotten confusing...
 
My point was, you explain to your kids how people like to play these games, because the content is fiction, fantasy, make believe. You explain how it's different to do these things for real. I have kids, and they know the difference between fiction and reality, and in these kinds of games, between fiction violence and reality violence. They know exactly how and why it's different to press the "X button" and "bust a cap in some homie's ass", and actually pulling a trigger on a real gun and killing another human being. They understand that when you sit in front of the TV, pick up the controller and do these things, it's different than to go outside into the world and do these things. My kids have played these games, and aren't violent and don't curse.

Protecting your kids from violent movies and games is not what being a parenting is about, protecting them from the real thing is what parenting is about. And the sooner you teach your kids the difference between the two, the better off they are.
 
[quote name='MisterModest']My point was, you explain to your kids how people like to play these games, because the content is fiction, fantasy, make believe. You explain how it's different to do these things for real. I have kids, and they know the difference between fiction and reality, and in these kinds of games, between fiction violence and reality violence. They know exactly how and why it's different to press the "X button" and "bust a cap in some homie's ass", and actually pulling a trigger on a real gun and killing another human being. They understand that when you sit in front of the TV, pick up the controller and do these things, it's different than to go outside into the world and do these things. My kids have played these games, and aren't violent and don't curse.

Protecting your kids from violent movies and games is not what being a parenting is about, protecting them from the real thing is what parenting is about. And the sooner you teach your kids the difference between the two, the better off they are.[/QUOTE]


As a Father of a 5 yo I can't agree and disagree with you more.. While I agree when the chance comes up to explain the finer details of life I will. But at least with my kid he is just know understanding what death is so I don't believe he is ready to or can understand what taking a life means real or not . So if I sit down for a nice game of Saints Row I'm not going to tell him to come watch and play and lets talk about the context of this GAME compared to REAL life. Say my kid walked in on my wife and I having sex of course I would have to talk to him and explain things on a level he could understand but that's different then letting him play a game or watch real SEX on HBO then discussing it. Its not my place to tell anyone how to raise there kids but there is no way I would let my son play a game like Saints Row right now. Maybe its just me I just can't imagine anyone that age being emotionally mature enough to play a game like Saint Row, I think there is something to desensitizing of Kids there are things that are and should be shocking to you .
 
Same thing happens all the time when I'm working. Some of the just don't know any better, ie; they don't know that Gears of War features a ton of gore and what not. However, almost every parent that buys their kid an M rated game just don't care (about their kids).
 
[quote name='jer7583']This is not something that anyone uner the age of 18 (and maybe over) should play.[/quote]
Once a kid hits 18, the government begins to heavily entice him into taking up a real gun and shipping off to the latest military operation. And let's not forget the promises of fighting CGI fire ogres that they portray in Marines ads that run during programs popular with young teens.

As long as you don't subscribe to the "Jack Thomson" school of thought regarding video games, I believe it would be prudent to revise your age limits.

On a broader scale however, I generally agree with you. Personally, I think Americans generally have an overly liberal attitude towards violence but a completely prudish attitude towards sex.

It's ridiculous that they can run a move on Sunday afternoon where Schwartenegger beats a man to death with the guy's own arms, however they have to pixel out two women kissing at 2 in the morning on a Tuesday.
 
They way I took it, he meant anyone older than 18 should have the taste to find the game repelling.

[quote name='camoor']Once a kid hits 18, the government begins to heavily entice him into taking up a real gun and shipping off to the latest military operation. And let's not forget the promises of fighting CGI fire ogres that they portray in Marines ads that run during programs popular with young teens.

As long as you don't subscribe to the "Jack Thomson" school of thought regarding video games, I believe it would be prudent to revise your age limits.

On a broader scale however, I generally agree with you. Personally, I think Americans generally have an overly liberal attitude towards violence but a completely prudish attitude towards sex.

It's ridiculous that they can run a move on Sunday afternoon where Schwartenegger beats a man to death with the guy's own arms, however they have to pixel out two women kissing at 2 in the morning on a Tuesday.[/quote]
 
[quote name='MisterModest']There's nothing wrong with kids playing those kind of games. You have to play them with the kids, and explain what's going on.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree with this, to an extent.

I doubt I'd ever let my child - that young - play a title like Saints Row, but it's always best to explain things, as opposed to glazing them over: this applies to fiction and reality, as they all hold hands.
 
My fiance's nephew is like this, he's 5 I think and plays San Andreas all the time. He just sits in his room playing this game for hours. He even got upset when we didn't give him a video game as his birthday present and instead got him some real toys he could go outside with.


The worst part is he doesn't even understand how to save so he just plays the prologues over and over and over,... and over.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Same thing happens all the time when I'm working. Some of the just don't know any better, ie; they don't know that Gears of War features a ton of gore and what not. However, almost every parent that buys their kid an M rated game just don't care (about their kids).[/QUOTE]

We say parents don't care but its not that IMO. They're giving their child something they want. Plus most of the people that have children that I know are in their early 20's We grew up with games, and we think we are just fine.

The one thing I won't understand is that some people here say. "Oh buying that kid that violent game will kill society, and ruin that kid."

But weren't you young? Didn't you play violent games? The answer is yes for both. Now the question you need to ask yourself: is did they effect you? Are you a valuable member of society? I assume the answers are yes.

So why can't that kid have the game. You turned out fine.
We need to realize, we are becoming our parents. We say that this kid shouldn't have that game. That makes us no different then the people in government we loathe.

Another thing I won't ever understand is that violence is ok as long as its from the "good guy." We see violence all the time it is us who choose to filter what is bad violence and good violence. To that I say kiss my ass. Murder is Murder.

Violence is violence. If they good guy is saving the city. He has to create some from of violence against the bad guy to save the day.


But why is violence from good ok, Is it really.
The bad guy thinks he's doing the right thing, so isn't his violence just?

Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor
how justified, is not a crime.

- Ernest Hemingway


What I'm saying is we grew up watching, and living violence. G.I Joe, TMNT, comic books, movies etc. One of the biggest faults of man is violence. But we live through it everyday, and do just fine. I don't think Saints Row is going to fuck this kid up. He already from what I can tell has bad parenting. I hate saying that cause that makes me a hypocrite. But playing Saints Row could be giving this kid a life. Since his dad doesn't want to love him, or give him attention. All that kid has is his 360.


We've had this talk before. Like before, I will say his kid, his business, and most of us don't have children so we can't say how will be when we get older.

We always can say that we will raise our kids a certain way. But I bet you all the money in the world most of what you think of raising a kid will go out the window when you have one.

Also we all come from different parts of the country. Different places means different things are acceptable. Where I come from you beat the shit outta your kid if they do bad. I've said that on here before, and some people got all up in arms. But 20 miles up the road in the rich area you get put in time out.
 
[quote name='camoor']On a broader scale however, I generally agree with you. Personally, I think Americans generally have an overly liberal attitude towards violence but a completely prudish attitude towards sex.

It's ridiculous that they can run a move on Sunday afternoon where Schwartenegger beats a man to death with the guy's own arms, however they have to pixel out two women kissing at 2 in the morning on a Tuesday.[/quote]

I would agree with that.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']The problem is that they have to sell if the parent is there, despite the fact he is a fucking moron.[/quote]

Clerks can refuse sales. I refused to sell GTA: San Andreas to a mom and her six year old ("but he does so good with it, he knows hitting cops and people is bad so he just runs around). I recommended her Spider-Man 2 instead.
 
[quote name='camoor']Once a kid hits 18, the government begins to heavily entice him into taking up a real gun and shipping off to the latest military operation. And let's not forget the promises of fighting CGI fire ogres that they portray in Marines ads that run during programs popular with young teens.

As long as you don't subscribe to the "Jack Thomson" school of thought regarding video games, I believe it would be prudent to revise your age limits.

On a broader scale however, I generally agree with you. Personally, I think Americans generally have an overly liberal attitude towards violence but a completely prudish attitude towards sex.

It's ridiculous that they can run a move on Sunday afternoon where Schwartenegger beats a man to death with the guy's own arms, however they have to pixel out two women kissing at 2 in the morning on a Tuesday.[/QUOTE]


Can't agree with you more..
 
[quote name='Kayden']They way I took it, he meant anyone older than 18 should have the taste to find the game repelling.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

I do find the insurance fraud missions to be a lot of fun, in a "lets see how far we can take this with the physics engine" way.

The actual story and characters in the game make me feel sick though. Nobody should promote those attitudes or stereotypes.
 
Well like any other thing in this country, it's always the person or company that makes the product that's to blame.

If he let the kid watch porn he would go to jail though.

It doesn't make sense.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I bought a couple of pre-played PS One games. They are resurfacing the discs whiel I wait. As I wait, this jackass with a 5 or 6 year old kid comes to the counter. He buys Saints Row for the kid. He tells the clerk, "I know it's a little mature but it keeps him out of my hair." Man, I wanted to lecture this dude on the spot, but I didn't.[/QUOTE]yah there's a better way to get a 5/6 year old kid outta your hair,

spank him when he's 3/4
 
Thats really disturbing.
Maybe I'm not one to talk because I play Gears of War..
BUT I'm 14.
But Gears Of War doesn't have Hookers, etc.

Why the hell does a 5 or 6 year old kid have a 360 anyway? Seriously, WTF?
This is just SO WRONG.
 
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