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I think it's a very safe bet that you'll be able to play future Gears and Halo games with any Kinect functions turned completely off. But yeah, it can't hurt to wait and see. It's not like either console has an amazing launch lineup. I know I'm in no hurry to get either one.
Yeah, time will tell. And I'm pretty burnt out on those franchises (and Uncharted on the PS side) so those sequels wouldn't factor into my decision on whether to get a X1 down the road anyway.

The launch line ups are pretty lack luster. I'm still mixed on whether to keep my PS4 preorder. A lot will depend on how much I clear out my PS3 backlog between now and then. If I can clear out the handful of games I really want to play, I may just ditch it to scrap the backlog and start clean from day 1 next gen. And then stick to just buying one game at a time, not buying games just because they're on sale etc. as I hate having a backlog. Starts to feel like a chore to clear one game out and move right on to the next one since I'm not a collector and hate unplayed games cluttering the shelves.

 
i think alot of people are burnt out on ps/xbox/nintendo 1st party games. I really do hope we see some great new ip's on this next gen of systems. Ms had a great start with the new ips they showed at e3 that looked pretty dang good. Sadly with the amount of money it takes to make a game this day and age companys no longer like to take chances on new ip thinking it will not sell well.

 
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i have had ps systems since ps1 and have had xbox since x1 came out. i have growing to love alot of ps and xbox only games so for me seeing all the drm junk is gone it's a no brainer to have both by at least spring of next year. i hate knowing thier are games out that i can't play which is why i get all systems and pc.
Yeah, I'm just not that much of a hardcore gamer anymore.

I get 5-10 hours a week in on average I'd say. So I can't keep up with all the AAA games on just one console. Much less one and the 3DS I have now.

So I'm perfectly fine missing out on games on X1 and Wii U if I just go with PS4 and 3DS, which is my current plan. I just don't have the time/interest to get to all the games on just those two, so I just can't justify buying another console unless my gaming time upticks in the future. Which is unlikely since I'm 34 and increasingly busy with my career and hobbies I'm more into than gaming and spending time with my fiancee etc.

 
Plus, exclusive games that you want to play should be the MAIN factor in picking a console.
For me personally, the only exclusive franchises I care about to a system-seller degree are Gears and Uncharted, so that's no help. :lol:

Honestly the deciding factor for which one I get first may come down to keeping my gamerscore, or Vita-PS4 integration, or if Final Fantasy XV plays way better on PS4, or some other random factor like that.

 
The launch line ups are pretty lack luster.
Pretty much. I'm holding out on hopes for more launch titles announced at Tokyo Game Show and Gamescom, simply because I want to believe that Mark Cerny's comment about it having the best Playstation launch lineup consists of more than the currently announced games.

Right now, the 3rd parties are doing a better job of selling the systems than the first parties are.

 
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I'm definitely hoping for some great new IPs.  Based on this past gen, I just have a lot more faith in Sony to do that than MS.  With more first party studios and more exclusives overall, there's just better odds of finding more stuff I'll dig.  Especially since I'm pretty burnt out on shooters and that seems to be most of MS's focus with their exclusive franchises outside of Forza and Fable etc.

 
Pretty much. I'm holding out on hopes for more launch titles announced at Tokyo Game Show and Gamescom, simply because I want to believe that Mark Cerny's comment about it having the best launch lineup consists of more than the currently announced games.

Right now, the 3rd parties are doing a better job of selling the systems than the first parties are.
most 3rd party games people want to play also coming out for 360/ps3/pc in the end i think might hurt sales at launch. For people that don't have money or say why do i need a new system when the games i want to play are coming out for system i already have. I understand companys don't want to lose the money they get from the installed base of ps3/360 but i can't remember on launch of new systems have so many great games come out for the old and new systems at launch.

 
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I'm definitely hoping for some great new IPs. Based on this past gen, I just have a lot more faith in Sony to do that than MS. With more first party studios and more exclusives overall, there's just better odds of finding more stuff I'll dig. Especially since I'm pretty burnt out on shooters and that seems to be most of MS's focus with their exclusive franchises outside of Forza and Fable etc.
well ms has put 1 billion into the pool for games on x1 now how much of that is for kinect stuff who knows but i think that is a positive note for x1 fans.

 
For me personally, the only exclusive franchises I care about to a system-seller degree are Gears and Uncharted, so that's no help. :lol:

Honestly the deciding factor for which one I get first may come down to keeping my gamerscore, or Vita-PS4 integration, or if Final Fantasy XV plays way better on PS4, or some other random factor like that.
Understandable. Definitely just comes down to personal interests in terms of whether exclusives make a difference.

For me, it's just that I need some variety. I've got to play more than just shooters and WRPGs or I'm going to burn out and stop gaming as I just over did those genres this generation. Much like I overdid platformers and JRPGs in the PS1/N64 era into the PS2/GC/Xbox era and ended up gaming hardly at all by the end of that generation.

I gamed a lot early on this gen as FPS and WRPG were mostly new genres to me, but now I've over done them and need to branch out more. Been gaming more recently due to Last of Us and Animal Crossing New Leaf. First two games that have felt fresh and exciting to me in a long while. Last of Us isn't ground breaking, but is just enough different from the average third person action game/shooter to feel fresh. And Animal Crossing is totally new to me as I've never played any games in that series, or things like Harvest Moon or Viva Pinata etc.

With the better Japanese and Indie support on PS platforms, along with my 3DS, I think that's the best route for me to mix things up and get a bit reinvigorated in gaming. Will probably ditch some of the PS3 shooters in my backlog (Resistance 1 and 2, Rage etc.) as I'm just not motivated to play them and pick up some stuff like Journey, Flower, Heavy Rain etc. to mix things up. Along with getting to the Infamous games etc.

And then with the PS4, I'm going to try making more of an effort to play some of that kind of stuff for a while, and just mix in the occasional Killzone or Bioware WRPG etc. rather than the other way around like I did this generation.

 
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Understandable. Definitely just comes down to personal interests in terms of whether exclusives make a difference.

For me, it's just that I need some variety. I've got to play more than just shooters and WRPGs or I'm going to burn out and stop gaming as I just over did those genres this generation. Much like I overdid platformers and JRPGs in the PS1/N64 era into the PS2/GC/Xbox era and ended up gaming hardly at all by the end of that generation.

I gamed a lot early on this gen as FPS and WRPG were mostly new genres to me, but now I've over done them and need to branch out more. Been gaming more recently due to Last of Us and Animal Crossing New Leaf. First two games that have felt fresh and exciting to me in a long while. Last of Us isn't ground breaking, but is just enough different from the average third person action game/shooter to feel fresh. And Animal Crossing is totally new to me as I've never played any games in that series, or things like Harvest Moon or Viva Pinata etc.

With the better Japanese and Indie support on PS platforms, along with my 3DS, I think that's the best route for me to mix things up and get a bit reinvigorated in gaming. Will probably ditch some of the PS3 shooters in my backlog (Resistance 1 and 2, Rage etc.) as I'm just not motivated to play them and pick up some stuff like Journey, Flower, Heavy Rain etc. to mix things up. Along with getting to the Infamous games etc.

And then with the PS4, I'm going to try making more of an effort to play some of that kind of stuff for a while, and just mix in the occasional Killzone or Bioware WRPG etc. rather than the other way around like I did this generation.
Honestly Dmaul? Buy a PC.

Don't buy either of those consoles. The more you post, the more it sounds as if the PC would be your wet dream.

You'd still get all the multi plat titles, looking even better then on the consoles. You would miss out on some first party titles, and still get others (that come to PCs). Plus your gaming variety is greater then every console put together, doubled.

Not to mention the modding potential of PC games allows them to be completely fresh. (GTA4 Iron man mod? Amazing...)

Just my opinion, but I think your gamer's sweet tooth would appreciate the vast variety that the PC has far more then another console.

 
Honestly Dmaul? Buy a PC.

Don't buy either of those consoles. The more you post, the more it sounds as if the PC would be your wet dream.

You'd still get all the multi plat titles, looking even better then on the consoles. You would miss out on some first party titles, and still get others (that come to PCs). Plus your gaming variety is greater then every console put together, doubled.

Not to mention the modding potential of PC games allows them to be completely fresh. (GTA4 Iron man mod? Amazing...)

Just my opinion, but I think your gamer's sweet tooth would appreciate the vast variety that the PC has far more then another console.
you forgot one major thing that made me buy a gaming pc this year PRICES!!!!!!! heck i just got tomb raider for pc for 10 bucks from amazon and it's still like 40 on 360/ps3

 
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Honestly Dmaul? Buy a PC.

Don't buy either of those consoles. The more you post, the more it sounds as if the PC would be your wet dream.

You'd still get all the multi plat titles, looking even better then on the consoles. You would miss out on some first party titles, and still get others (that come to PCs). Plus your gaming variety is greater then every console put together, doubled.

Not to mention the modding potential of PC games allows them to be completely fresh. (GTA4 Iron man mod? Amazing...)

Just my opinion, but I think your gamer's sweet tooth would appreciate the vast variety that the PC has far more then another console.
I've considered it. But as I said earlier, with few exceptions it's the first party stuff I enjoy the most.

I also just like the convenience of console gaming--I've never swapped video cards or anything in PCs. I'm just not tech savvy for that stuff.

And I'd have it hooked up to my home theater as I can't stand gaming at a desk after working at one all day, and want to play on my 55" TV etc. And that causes issues with my neat freak OCD as it's harder to get a gaming PC blending in seamlessly and looking nice in the TV stand, have to find out of sight, but still convenient to get when need, place to hide a wireless keyboard and mouse (I'd game with a 360 controller if I did build one).

So PC gaming has just never been my cup of tea. And I'm pretty pleased with the variety of games on PS3--lots to keep me busy for a good while still there since I got it only in early 2012. And I'm pretty confident the PS4 will see a similar variety of games since it will get the most Japanese and indie dev support.

Maybe if Valve ever puts out that long rumored Steambox I'd give that a long look. But I doubt I'll ever buy a pure gaming PC.

 
Why do people continue to grab things out of context? Be fair at least and include the entire generation side by side not just a graphic skewed to show a snap shot of the last 3 years of the generation.

Even folks in your "source" are saying the same things...
Agreed. You never ignore valid sourced points nor do you take things out of context. You admit when you're wrong even though you've never been wrong. Everyone needs to follow WV's example and be as fair as he is!

 
Very skewed by not including 2005-2009.

MS launched some excellent titles during that time and Sony even had some like Uncharted that isn't listed.

This shows a time in which the Kinect (which sold 26 million units) was launched and they were supporting it where Sony had a hardware failure in the Move with a 4.6% install base. It also shows how poorly Sony supported the Move. No surprise they will be doing the same with the PS4.

Show me a graphic from 2005-2013 and then we'll talk.

Why do people continue to grab things out of context? Be fair at least and include the entire generation side by side not just a graphic skewed to show a snap shot of the last 3 years of the generation.

Even folks in your "source" are saying the same things...
No matter how you try and spin it, 3 years is an incredible amount of time for an active console especially when you consider the previous console generation was only 6 years long. It further shows just how much Microsoft lost it's way and relied heavily on 3rd party multiplats. Of course this also shows basically the time Mattrick was there, and maybe with his departure they will get back on track, but with Kinect a main focus of the Xbox One, I highly doubt it.

Also if we did include the entire generation like you said it wouldn't be particularly damning to the PS3 as they had several exclusives as well in those first couple years and it's probably pretty close. The image just illustrates the time when things got interesting which was the last 3 years because unlike Microsoft, Sony has continued to support it's platform, so this is definitely in context as it's a factor that should be considered when choosing which new console to go with especially if only choosing one.

Just because a game is exclusive doesn't mean it is a great game. Lets be realistic.
This statement isn't helping the argument for you console of choice as there is a great deal more green on the PS3 side.

360

6 Regular

7 Kinect

13 Total

PS3

24 Regular

3 Move

27 Total

That's more than double the games that scored 75 or better on metacritic.

Pretty much. I'm holding out on hopes for more launch titles announced at Tokyo Game Show and Gamescom, simply because I want to believe that Mark Cerny's comment about it having the best Playstation launch lineup consists of more than the currently announced games.

Right now, the 3rd parties are doing a better job of selling the systems than the first parties are.
This is a great video done by The Escapist Magazine on why consoles shouldn't blow their proverbial load on a great launch lineup:

LAUNCH SPLOOGE (Jimquisition)

 
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Where do you get that the 360 only had 6 exclusive titles to 24 on the PS3? Are you still talking about the graphic you posted that was taken out of context?

And are you also saying that all 24 of those PS3 games were amazing?

That's what I was saying. That exclusives only matter if they are good games.

I hate stepped back some but you continue to be amazingly skewed.
 
Where do you get that the 360 only had 6 exclusive titles to 24 on the PS3? Are you still talking about the graphic you posted that was taken out of context?

And are you also saying that all 24 of those PS3 games were amazing?

That's what I was saying. That exclusives only matter if they are good games.

I hate stepped back some but you continue to be amazingly skewed.
I'm going to have to second WV's question here. And in case you're wondering RiPPn, no WV and I didn't read your entire post because we don't have to, we're psychic.

 
There's really only two points to take from that graphic and this exclusives discussion.

1.  It is disturbing to someone like me who loathes motion control that MS shifted so much focus to Kinect games after putting the device out.  Regular exclusives mostly dried up aside from Gears 3 and Halo 4.  Only time will tell if that trend continues with X1, so people in my boat just have to wait and see.  I'll have no interest in ever getting an X1 if the exclusives are just some shooters and racers, while they focus on Kinect stuff and just try to get by with big third party games (that I'll be playing on PS4) that they hope people will prefer playing on X1/XBL than on Sony's platform like they have the past few years.  If it pans out differently, I'll reassess if I ever get to the point where I'm gaming enough to consider a 2nd console.

2.  WV is partly right that all that matters is good exclusives--but to be more clear it really just matters which has more exclusives that appeal to you personally (as "good" is 100% subjective).  For him MS is better since he really only seems interested in things like shooters, sports games etc.--and there's nothing wrong with that.  At the same time, the Sony exclusives cover a lot more genres, so they're a better fit for someone with more varied genre interests--especially those interested in Japanese and indie developed games.  And nothing wrong with that either, and neither is a superior gaming taste or anything.  Just a case of different strokes for different folks.

I like discussing why we're picking one console or the other, as I do find peoples reasoning interesting--and it's a good time waster when procrastinating work!  But some people need to be a little less defensive of people who aren't getting their console of choice and giving reasons why.  And conversely a few could be less trollish/bashing in laying out their reasons why and just state them plainly like the vast majority of posters have.

 
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I agree with you and I have said why I getting the X1. It's not for exclusives even though I love Gears and Halo. It's for the entire experience. Games, TV, Apps, Voice control etc.

I don't expect everyone to get an X1. I just get upset when folks come in here flinging loose claims at MS just to try and prove a very small point. That graphic does show a certain time when MS focused on the Kinect but what business wouldn't when a new product line takes off and sells over 20 million units? Do you not expect them to make new games for it or include it on Forza etc? That's ridiculous. Sony cheapened out and copied the Wii. The Move failed terribly and they ditched a ton of support for it. Kinect soared and they supported it and decided to make it a huge part of the new console. Don't know how they can be faulted for that when it was so successful.

 
I don't fault them for it.  I just have zero interest in motion controls, so I have zero interest in the MS platform if they really want to push that stuff.  The 360 has been a wasteland for me other than Gears 3 and Halo 4 the past 2 or 3 years as everything else I've played I could have just played on PS3 instead.  Exclusives are my main factor when picking which consoles to own.  And MS got me with theirs the first half of the generation, but really underwhelmed me with them the last half post-Kinect.  

So it's not so much that they supported Kinect that's distrubing to me as someone with zero interest in it, but that non-Kinect exclusives dwindled to almost nothing.  I'd have had no issues with it if there had still been a solid number of regular exclusives each year to keep me busy.  But that wasn't the case, and I'd have to wait and see if that changes on X1 before remotely considering a purchase given how bored I've been with the 360 the past couple of years.

And your reasons are definitely fine.  X1 will be a great machine for people who want the set top box experience, enjoy motion controls and like the genres you play for sure.

Just moot for me as the exclusives that interest me aren't there in large numbers right now based on the past few years of 360 and the X1 launch lineup currently, I loathe motion controls, and I'm not interested in that media stuff since I'd have to keep my DirecTV DVR anyway, and prefer using the streaming apps on my Bluray player over a console (less power usage, quieter etc.).

Just different strokes for different folks.  These are two pretty different machines, which is a great thing as it gives us more choice in what to buy, and more variety to justify both for serious gamers who game enough to own more than one console.

 
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Anybody else gotten some of the day one releases in their Gold Box?
Not to derail the current discussion but I haven't seen any games for either system show up in my Gold Box. I figured it was something Amazon was doing intentionally. I have that $10 off next-gen preorder coupon and I'd like to combine the two (that and Gold Box pricing) but it just isn't happening...

Not that there are any games for either system I want (so why am I getting both!? :lol:).

 
Honestly? I thought the majority of 360 and PS3 exclusives sucked frankly :/

The best games, in my opinion again, are and have been coming from third party developers for a long while now. This trend only looks to continue for next gen, so the choice of console is largely a moot point.

Chart is funny though, you can clearly tell it's bias from a mile away. It's missing several 360 titles and PS3 titles released during the period in question, it's also missing titles released on PS3/360 that were later released on PC. When discussing console exclusivity it's important to remember that just because it's released on a PC, does not magically mean it was on PS3. It was not, thus should be counted. (Unless your like that idiot on youtube, who argued that "PC" stands for "Personal Console". /Sigh)

Total count since launch of both consoles since someone asked: 360 - 179 exclusives    PS3 - 142 exclusives.

Since 2012+ (icounting games like Dragon Crown PS3, and Demons of Mercy 360) counting unreleased games as well: PS3 - 37 exclusives Xbox 360 - 24 exclusives.

Note, the list may not be 100% accurate and some games, especially TBA titles may not release for either console. Sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_(seventh_generation)

Bringing actual facts and sources to video game discussions - priceless.

 
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That's just different strokes for different folks to I guess in terms of first party vs third party stuff.

There are very few third party games for me that come close to the greatness of things like Gears, Halo, Uncharted, Last of Us, Mario/Metroid/Zelda.  There are some for sure like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Borderlands 2 etc. for sure.  But the first party stuff is almost always more polished since they can just focus on getting the most out of that one console, and the console makers probably pump more money into their big first party games (as well as buying 2nd/third party exclusives which infused more cash) since they know they need them to be great to set their console apart from the competition.

So much of the multiplatform stuff is just generic military FPS games mainly focused on competitive MP that I don't enjoy at all, sports games, racing games, action/adventure games (Assassin's Creed, Devil May Cry), etc. that just aren't my cup of tea genre wise.  So again, just to each their own.  Outside of some WRPGs and the occasional multiplaform co-op or single player focused shooter like Borderlands or Destiny or Bioshock, and the rare action/adventure game that appeals to me like Tomb Raider there just isn't a lot of multiplatform stuff that I'm interested in these days.  It's all about the AAA exclusives in picking a console since I can get those few multiplatform titles a year on either system.

 
It's pretty obvious to anyone that pays attention and is not biased that in the first few years Xbox owned PS3 games-wise and since that time it's flipped around. I bought an Xbox first because PS3 games were ridiculously lacking. Now I barely play my Xbox because I already played everything a couple years ago. I think State Of Decay is about the only fun exclusive lately on Xbox. On the other hand Xbox had Gears which was the first game that really felt next gen to me. It had Dead Rising and even Bioshock was exclusive for some time before PS3 got it.

 
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It's pretty obvious to anyone that pays attention and is not biased that in the first few years Xbox owned PS3 games-wise and since that time it's flipped around. I bought an Xbox first because PS3 games were ridiculously lacking. Now I barely play my Xbox because I already played everything a couple years ago. I think State Of Decay is about the only fun exclusive lately on Xbox.
100% agree with that. Exactly the case for me, along with their not being a snowballs chance in hell of paying $500-600 for a PS3 and jumping on a great Fry's bundle deal for a 360 and 5 new games (Bioshock etc.) for $400 in Oct. 2007.

Past couple of years it's flipped as the 360 exclusives dried up. Though I still played it a bit more due to getting stuff like Borderlands 2 (to play with a friend on live) and Skyrim (PS3 version buggy as hell) on 360. Now I'm pretty much all on PS3 though. Just need to play the Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim and General Ramm DLC for Gears 3 and I'm done--unless I decide to hold on to it and BL2 in hopes of more DLC beyond the 4 season pass included expansions that are all out now.

 
Where do you get that the 360 only had 6 exclusive titles to 24 on the PS3? Are you still talking about the graphic you posted that was taken out of context?

And are you also saying that all 24 of those PS3 games were amazing?

That's what I was saying. That exclusives only matter if they are good games.

I hate stepped back some but you continue to be amazingly skewed.
It's not like someone took the 3 greatest years of the PS3 and pitted them against the 3 worst years of the 360, they've taken the current year and the 2 years prior, the exact same timeframe from both consoles, that is not out of context because they aren't saying this graphic represents the entire generation, they are simply saying this is the last 3 years for both consoles.

Both systems matched pretty closely on exclusives at first, people forget that the first year of PS3 had several exclusives like Genji, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction, Ridge Racer 7, Warhawk, and others, while the 360 had exclusives as well, but also had a ton of PS2 ports.

The graphic depicts when things got interesting, basically when Microsoft abandoned the 360. I don't care how biased toward the 360 you are, there is no denying the drought of exclusive games over the last 3 years and the heavy reliance on 3rd parties. That isn't a skewed view, it's fact, I'm not the one trying to spin it that all of a sudden exclusives don't matter and generally suck. And I already explained this in my previous post, so either you didn't completely read it, or chose to ignore it.

 
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I don't care how biased toward the 360 you are, there is no denying the drought of exclusive games over the last 3 years and the heavy reliance on 3rd parties. That isn't a skewed view, it's fact, I'm not the one trying to spin it that all of a sudden exclusives don't matter and generally suck. And I already explained this in my previous post, so either you didn't completely read it, or chose to ignore it.
Definitely agree with that.

It's fine to say that you personally just didn't like the PS3 exclusives much at all, so they're moot for you. It's fine to say that you liked a lot of the Kinect games. Or that you played the living shit out of the few 360 exclusives the past couple of years like Gears 3 and Halo 4, and got way more out of that than any of the PS3 stuff.

But you can't dispute that the number of non-motion control/casual game exclusives on the 360 really took a nose dive the last 3 years, while the PS3 had a decent amount of decent selling/reviewed ones (regardless of whether they matter to you or not based on your interests).

In terms of impact on sales--worldwide it seems to have had an impact since PS3 pulled ahead of 360 last year (and still to date), despite launching a year later. In the US, it doesn't seem to have mattered much as the 360 is still way ahead and usually outselling the PS3 each month, so those PS3 exclusives don't seem to have as much sway here as abroad.

But all this spinning shit just comes down to too much fanboy pissing contest stuff with having to try to prove that your console of choice is "best" rather than just noting that you prefer it and it's exclusives/features to the competition and leaving it at that. All that matters is owning/playing most the one that fits your tastes best. Who cares if the other has more exclusives, sales more etc. as long as the one you go with as your only/main machine has enough games you like to keep you occupied indefinitely? And that should be the case on both the PS4/XB1 as long as people are smart in researching and buying the one that best fits their tastes if they aren't getting both.

 
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But all this spinning shit just comes down to too much fanboy pissing contest stuff with having to try to prove that your console of choice is "best" rather than just noting that you prefer it and it's exclusives/features to the competition and leaving it at that. All that matters is owning/playing most the one that fits your tastes best. Who cares if the other has more exclusives, sales more etc. as long as the one you go with as your only/main machine has enough games you like to keep you occupied indefinitely? And that should be the case on both the PS4/XB1 as long as people are smart in researching and buying the one that best fits their tastes if they aren't getting both.

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This and 1000x this!

Exactly why I have almost completely lost interest in this thread. I have made my choice and am happy with it and could care less what Rippin or anyone else think. It's what works best for me and I am excited about it.
 
Exactly why I have almost completely lost interest in this thread. I have made my choice and am happy with it and could care less what Rippin or anyone else think. It's what works best for me and I am excited about it.
I can't speak for others, but I'm glad you've made a choice and are sticking with it, it's been a long foregone conclusion what camp you reside in and there's no changing that. The debate comes in when you, Timbo and Ashane become Microsoft apologists and try to market the Xbox One as a better system when price, specs, last 3 years of exclusives, corporate policy, and corporate attitude all say otherwise.

 
I still like discussing the industry, and what people like and don't like, so I'm not sick of the thread.  Some of the spin and defensiveness gets old though--from both sides.

Really, this thread should be renamed something reflecting that it's a broad discussion of whether poster's are getting a PS4, XB1 or both and moved to general gaming.  And let that future owners thread be the X1 discussion thread (and still have the mods  keep this crap out of it).  I don't care enough to notify a mod, but one of you who does should feel free to report this post with a note endorsing the idea if your'e so inclined.

 
I can't speak for others, but I'm glad you've made a choice and are sticking with it, it's been a long foregone conclusion what camp you reside in and there's no changing that. The debate comes in when you, Timbo and Ashane become Microsoft apologists and try to market the Xbox One as a better system when price, specs, last 3 years of exclusives, corporate policy, and corporate attitude all say otherwise.
To be fair, it's no better for you or others to come in and endorse the PS3--even if it's with facts rather than spin.

Again, it doesn't really matter what side the facts are on, as all that matters is that each individual picks the console(s) that's best for them. No one other than a complete loser is going to be swayed by what people on a message board are saying about the console. People are going to look at game offerings, features and price and pick what works best for them. So there's no need to waste energy trying to clear up fanboy FUD and spin.

People on both sides could definitely do a much better job of not spinning things, not worrying so much about facts and just making more opinion-based statements about what console has the most exclusives they want, which console has the features they want, which hardware fits their needs more and so forth. As that's all that matters in making this type of purchasing decision.

Raw number of exclusives don't matter, the number that you personally want matters. Corporate policy, DRM etc. only matters if you dislike it. Specs only matter if you care about small graphics differences in first party games and third party stuff will look mostly the same as the lowest common denominator will drive development. Motion control camera packed in is either a pro or con depending on your like/hate of it, privacy concerns or not etc. etc. etc.

Far too much energy wasted trying to make objective arguments about why one side is "better", followed by defensive people on that side spinning the facts etc. All because it's only the subjective stuff that matters in picking the console that's best for you. The thread would go much better if people just outlined why they want one over the other, without trying to win any debates--be it with raw facts or spin.

 
I can't speak for others, but I'm glad you've made a choice and are sticking with it, it's been a long foregone conclusion what camp you reside in and there's no changing that. The debate comes in when you, Timbo and Ashane become Microsoft apologists and try to market the Xbox One as a better system when price, specs, last 3 years of exclusives, corporate policy, and corporate attitude all say otherwise.
Sorry Rippn, but please dont lump me in. I've yet to be a apologist, or attempt to sell anyone on the X1.

I've given detailed, factual information when it's been asked. I've fact checked many of your posts and others in this thread, often times correcting obvious misinformation from news site's that are so full of PS4 spin it hurts my brain.

It comes down to respecting people's opinion. If you can do that, then fine, why don't you slow down posting every negative thing you hear about the X1, and maybe post a positive thing or two? If your just here to post negatives, then I feel as if your presence is nothing but disruptive toward actual commentary and discussion.

You've got one poster in this thread who seems to like stirring up drama on one side. You've got three or four of you on the other side who love stirring it up too.

Then you've got the rest of us, who would actually like to discuss the console like adults attempting to do so, but having to put out the fires that result form constant flame bait tactics by both sides. Just stop, act like a damn adult, and let's move on.

 
Sorry Rippn, but please dont lump me in. I've yet to be a apologist, or attempt to sell anyone on the X1.
I apologize, you actually do come off far more genuine than Timbo and WV, I just lumped you in because you are quite vocal in the forums and are in the Xbox camp.

 
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I apologize, you actually do come off far more genuine than Timbo and WV, I just lumped you in because you are quite vocal in the forums and are in the Xbox camp.
Thanks sir :)

Now, back to discussions! Anyone see KI's "kinect" features? They seem.. neat. I guess if someone is playing, and I step in to play as well, it will recognize my face, auto select my favorite character, automatically input my favorite control scheme, and off I go.

Also the IGN poll is out, which is flame bait waiting to happen. The thread titles are "Why are fans buying a PS4" and "Why are some IGN readers passing on X1".

The actual poll results are extremely close. Of 30,000 (separate polls btw, so they wont add up to 100% together) 41% plan on buying a PS4 at launch, 39% buying the X1 at launch.

The graphs are funny for both, I'll post the X1's, as I'm assuming the PS4 one has already been posted over on PS4 thread...

Order of importance :

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Sources:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/16/why-are-some-ign-readers-passing-on-xbox-one

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/16/why-are-fans-buying-a-ps4-at-launch

 
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I agree with you and I have said why I getting the X1. It's not for exclusives even though I love Gears and Halo. It's for the entire experience. Games, TV, Apps, Voice control etc.

I don't expect everyone to get an X1. I just get upset when folks come in here flinging loose claims at MS just to try and prove a very small point. That graphic does show a certain time when MS focused on the Kinect but what business wouldn't when a new product line takes off and sells over 20 million units? Do you not expect them to make new games for it or include it on Forza etc? That's ridiculous. Sony cheapened out and copied the Wii. The Move failed terribly and they ditched a ton of support for it. Kinect soared and they supported it and decided to make it a huge part of the new console. Don't know how they can be faulted for that when it was so successful.
I know! How dare people have criticisms! And always about such insiginifcant stuff too! People just need to realize what WV and I already know: the Xbox One is perfect.

As always WV, great point about Kinect! Why shouldn't Microsoft make more games for Kinect when the 360 only has a mere 77 million units sold compared to the Kinect's huge 24 million?!

And to follow suit with the way WV always ends his posts: Sony sucks.

 
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That is a fairly interesting set of considerations--maybe we can take a stab at going through how the impacted our decision making. I'll go first, instead of a 5 point scale I'll just note whether each was a positive, negative or irrelevant influence.

Price--Negative as the X1 is $100 more and I don't see that added value for myself since I'm not into Kinect or the media stuff.

Exclusive Games- Negative. I love Halo and Gears, but I like Sony's more varied exclusives more.

Graphics- Irrelevant. Despite spec differences I don't expect major graphics differences, and I'm not really a graphic's whore anyway.

Controller Design-Postive. The DS4 looks much better than the DS3. But I much preferred the 360 controller this gen, and I still like offset analog sticks to side by side ones.

Hardware Specs-negative--but only slightly. But reportedly lesser specs for gaming related stuff for $100 doesn't thrill me. But see my comment on graphics, mostly irrelevant as I don't expect to see a ton of difference when all is said and done.

Storage Space-Irrelevant. Don't both have 500GB. Plus I have plenty of space left on my 250gb 360 and 320gb PS3. I don't get a ton of digital stuff outside of PS+ freebies. And have no issues deleting stuff when done as I seldom replay and can always redownload.

Digital Download Speed-Postive with a caveat--I got much faster speeds on my 360 than my PS3 that is plugged into the same router. But we don't know if this will change, and some Sony interviews have said they've changed things to improve download speeds, and people say the speeds are much faster on Vita so it could have been more a PS3 hardware issue than a PSN server issue. So time will tell.

Bluray Compatibility-Irrelevant for two reasons. First, both can do it. Second, I have, and prefer, using as stand alone bluray player. Quieter, uses less power, and less wear and tear on more expensive game consoles now that good standalone players like the Sony S-590 I have are around $100.

Online Games-Mostly irrelevant. I do have more friends with 360s this gen. But I mostly quit online gaming other than some co-op with my future brother and law. And he canceled his X1 preorder to go PS4 as me and most of his other gaming friends are jumping ship to Sony.

Indie Game support- Negative as Sony is being much more indie friendly and will get more games, and I want to start checking out more indie stuff to get more variety


Used Game Fees-Negative initially. Moot now. Still don't like that it was a possibility they were trying to push/leave up to publishers.

Ability to Sell Your Games- Huge negative initially. I don't replay games or collect games. I think most games are not worth near their asking price even after price drops. So being able to sell on Amazon after beating is a big thing for me. Moot now, but still don't like that they tried to limit this.

DRM- Huge negative initially--but same as above with one additional comment.... Didn't care about possible share plans as it's just me in the home, and I wouldn't share my account info with any of my gaming friends or CAGs etc.

Backwards Compatibility-Negative, but for both since neither have it. Would love to trade my 360 and PS3 and still be able to work on those backlogs on whichever next gen console I went with. I'll be able to ditch my 360 by fall for sure, PS3 I'll probably keep around another year or so past PS4 launch to finish up during gaps between PS4 AAA games I want.

Streaming Video Content-Irrelevant. The worthwhile apps will be on both, and I much prefer using my DVD player and other gadgets for this.

Communicating with Family and Friends-Irrelevant. That's what my phone, e-mail and facebook are for. And other than my future brother in law, I don't really have any friends that game other than one who's only gaming on PC (which I don't play). And he'll probably go PS4 too if he gets as console next gen.

Streaming Audio Content- Irrelevant. I used Last FM a handful of times when working on the couch. But then noticed I had a pandora app on my DirecTV DVR and started using that. Now I mostly use Spotify that I pay for, and just listen on PC or my iPhone/iPad. Or the Roku app at my girlfriend's place.

Second Screen Functionality-Irrelevant. Just don't see much use in this stuff from what I've seen from smartglass this gen and what they've shown thus far for X1.

Direct Social Network Functionality-Irrelevant. No interest in streaming my gaming shit. 99% of people on there wouldn't care. And just makes me look like I'm slacking off all the time to co-workers when I have a job that requires long hours, working at home etc. (which is why I'm dicking around on cag more than playing games!). :D

Camera Functionality--Huge negative as I've said repeatedly. I loathe motion controls, don't like it always on and sucking power, and just have no use for it cluttering up my already too busy TV set up.

Voice Commands-Negative. No interest in using them to control media stuff, and hate them in games. Just feel dumb talking to my TV, and noise is a problem since I game a lot at night and live in a condo that's not very good from a sound proofing standpoint. Even when I move to a house, still have to keep it down to not bug my fiancee if she's trying to sleep or working late (which is more likely as she's a night owl).


Think I got them all. :D
 
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I can't speak for others, but I'm glad you've made a choice and are sticking with it, it's been a long foregone conclusion what camp you reside in and there's no changing that. The debate comes in when you, Timbo and Ashane become Microsoft apologists and try to market the Xbox One as a better system when price, specs, last 3 years of exclusives, corporate policy, and corporate attitude all say otherwise.[/quote]
The X1 is better for me. If you don't like it that's fine. No need to belittle my choice.
 
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even with 360 1st party games pretty much dry last two years most people including me used 360 as their main game system because xbox live is a over all better service then psn is right now on ps3. Only games i have for ps3 is 1st party and use it for my blu ray player. I think that's another reason why x1's will have no problem with sales seeing at this point people will buy the system thier online friends get unlike when ps3 and 360 came out when online gaming was not that big as it is today. 

i really do hope psn is a giant leap for ps4 seeing im getting ps4 and have ps plus for another year. 

 
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The X1 is better for me. If you don't like it that's fine. No need to belittle my choice.
Yeah, don't belittle WV! He never belittles Sony/PS4 fans. Sure he might have mentioned something about the Sony circle jerk and PS4 butt love, but that doesn't count because WV follows a different definition of words than you.

 
I really dont understand how Xbox Live is a better service than PSN Plus.

even with 360 1st party games pretty much dry last two years most people including me used 360 as their main game system because xbox live is a over all better service then psn is right now on ps3. Only games i have for ps3 is 1st party and use it for my blu ray player. I think that's another reason why x1's will have no problem with sales seeing at this point people will buy the system thier online friends get unlike when ps3 and 360 came out when online gaming was not that big as it is today.

i really do hope psn is a giant leap for ps4 seeing im getting ps4 and have ps plus for another year.
The only thing XBL had over PSN was shorter update times and party chat. That's it. But at least PSN was free. If we compared paid services, you get so much content with PSN Plus, Sony wins by a landslide.

 
The actual poll results are extremely close. Of 30,000 (separate polls btw, so they wont add up to 100% together) 41% plan on buying a PS4 at launch, 39% buying the X1 at launch.

Sources:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/16/why-are-some-ign-readers-passing-on-xbox-one

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/16/why-are-fans-buying-a-ps4-at-launch

That's funny, because the poll actually shows the PS4 massively ahead of the Xbox one. Reading comprehension is key, although they likely did it on purpose to make this appear "close".

On the Xbox poll page, they added 2 answers together:

39% of readers surveyed do plan to purchase the console either at launch or within its first year of availability.

Whereas on the PS4 page, those are separate responses:

41% of respondents who plan to buy PS4 at launch

39% plan to purchase the console within the first year of release

If they had listed this in the same way on both pages it would look like this:

80% of readers surveyed will buy a PS4 at launch or within the first year.

39% of readers surveyed will buy an Xbox One at launch or within the first year.

How exactly is that close again? Even worse for Xbox are these responses:

43% said they do not plan to purchase Microsoft’s Xbox One

10% said they do not plan to purchase a PS4.

It's amazing how you read the poll and ignored all of the data but ignoring the data in front of you is about the only way you could even be considering purchasing an Xbox One so I guess this is pretty par for the course.

 
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This is a very good reason to be wary of Microsoft, especially with Kinect. Border colors represent metacritic score. Source
I like the exclusive retail game definition at the bottom, which took away Fable 3, Halo Anniversary, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell: Conviction and many other games on the 360 side.

 
Don't know if this is posted here but http://kotaku.com/forza-5-isnt-all-on-the-disc-807808829

I mean nothing against the One, but what is the point of a disc then. I mean with Steam when you buy a game on Disc, you get the full game ready to install. Sure there might be updates but it's still a full copy. This is just crazy. Plus some people don't have the download speed to support it sadly.



I really don't know how this is a bad thing. They are going to continue development for much longer and hopefully produce a much better launch game. Everyone gets pissed when a game gets released with a ton of bugs and we have to wait for a patch. This may cure that. Developer will have much longer to work on games and this may help with delays etc.

I'm all for it. Some may hate it. But I can tell you I have made plenty of decisions that are work related where we had to say do we continue to do things for people who don't have high speed Internet or do we finally break away from that small percentage and say here is the full experience and if you want that you will need to get high speed Internet. The percentage is so small the benefits to the company and then overall consumer outweigh the folks that will get pissed by you shifting to this policy

Can't wait to see the heat I take from this one. Get out your pitchforks and torches.
 
^ Oh christ. All I'll say is that if any game for any system does this I'll never buy that game. I think it's a bs excuse for DRM or at the very least an unfinished game which shouldn't be released anyway. There is no reason a physical game should be released and require online even for the offline play. Period.

As for that IGN poll it's like someone pointed out they separated the answers. I don't know why since the headlines are biased toward PS4 anyway, but whatever. I really think they need to do away with mandatory Kinect to save the Xbox. That's all that needs to happen and it'll do ok in the end. Hopefully they learn this before it's too late.

Edit: I will say the Drivatar thing in Forza could be cool. We'll see.

 
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This thread amazes me in that people still put forth the effort in arguing for/against the Xbox One/PS4.  I would have thought this would slowly trickle into the background until the fall when the fanboy wars will start again but apparently we're going full steam through the summer.

 
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