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Yeah I'm probably gonna cancel my MGS CE as well, only thing is I used 5 BB gift cards on the order and pretty sure I dont have them anymore.  Last time I cancelled a CE that I had used GC's on there it took me 2 months and 3 follow up calls to even get a replacement mailed....not sure I want to deal with the headache.

 
Yeah I'm probably gonna cancel my MGS CE as well, only thing is I used 5 BB gift cards on the order and pretty sure I dont have them anymore. Last time I cancelled a CE that I had used GC's on there it took me 2 months and 3 follow up calls to even get a replacement mailed....not sure I want to deal with the headache.
just get it, return it, and buy the regular edition.

 
just get it, return it, and buy the regular edition.
Was considering that but I'm worried it will mess up my preorder cert. I have an order of the standard version from the half off glitch but since the CE was ordered first BB will probably "attach" the cert to the CE order if I keep it and then return it. Probably just gonna call in tomorrow and cancel it.

 
yeah, i was thinking the same thing. found an unboxing video, and the whole thing looks pretty plain. i might snag a steelbook later off ebay if there's one for $10 or so.

i'm just looking for an excuse to buy star wars infinity next week.

I want 3.0 too, but I'm not even finished with 2.0. Plus I can justify Phantom Pain CE waaaaaaay more than Infinity when I know I can get it for like $30 later and crazy figure deals. Infinity is like Inverse Amiibo, the longer you wait to adopt the better.

The problem for me is to fight the urge to jump into Lego Dimensions.

 
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Was considering that but I'm worried it will mess up my preorder cert. I have an order of the standard version from the half off glitch but since the CE was ordered first BB will probably "attach" the cert to the CE order if I keep it and then return it. Probably just gonna call in tomorrow and cancel it.
I did this (backwards) with God of War Ascension, I ordered the regular version, but returned it and picked up a CE when they had it in stock the next day. Still got the cert without having to contact best buy.

 
I want 3.0 too, but I'm not even finished with 2.0. Plus I can justify Phantom Pain CE waaaaaaay more than Infinity when I know I can get it for like $30 later and crazy figure deals. Infinity is like Inverse Amiibo, the longer you wait to adopt the better.

The problem for me is to fight the urge to jump into Lego Dimensions.
yeah, if it was just for me, i wouldn't even be thinking about it right now. it's a game my wife is actually hyped about though. kinda forces my hand a little more.

 
Did Tyler get Stotch banned over the little tif they had yesterday or did Velo sneak attack one of the butt buddies?

The world may never know.

- Tootsie Pop Owl
i just put them on ignore and that's it. I don't need to sneak attack anyone.

Guardian_Owl and I just made it to round 42 in Binary Domain. So close yet so far away

 
The doctor's plan of "fever is not the enemy" and not taking advil to avoid a yo-yo effect really isn't working.

F-this. I'm drugging myself, it's the only way I'll get over this. 

I'm really surprised how much energy it takes even to watch netflix, I haven't been able to keep my eyes open for two days.

 
i just put them on ignore and that's it. I don't need to sneak attack anyone.

Guardian_Owl and I just made it to round 42 in Binary Domain. So close yet so far away
Ya, I got killed on lvl 40 (took 2 hours to get to that point) because the Miniboss bot who was behind the spawn wall fired a rocket into the ramp wall and the blast radius extended through the wall and killed me. Then while you guys were finishing up I got a "communication error" and Binary Domain said I wasn't connected to PSN even though I was and I got booted from the game. It is so stupid that you can't rejoin a game you were in in invasion. That's like the 5th time that's happened to me, gotten to a late round and then either my internet or the host's internet mucks up for a second and kills the run.

 
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He's crazy. No doubt about that. The other stuff is just bullshit to try to rationalize his actions to provide justification. There's no justification for just walking up and shooting people. He's crazy.
Looking for motive in a murder case doesn't justify or excuse the act of murder. Pharm's post shouldn't be taken as justification, either.

 
I just can't see how having Health care the way we have it continues to work. It is a for profit industry. As is medical insurance. How can those at the lower end of the economic scale get decent health care? I pay just shy of $700 a month for coverage for my wife and I. It covers less and less every year. Co insurance, co pay, deductibles etc. I am lucky my company has separate plans (HRA they fund and FSA that comes out of my check) helps cover those costs. But millions of Americans don't have it even close to this good.

Four years ago my wife was in the hospital for about a week and had an operation. IRC the bills for that were over 60K. Looking at some of the line items it was just insane what they billed for things. Also crazy what a discount the insurance companies get vs what someone paying cash is expected to pay.

I am not sure what Canada is doing is right or wrong but what we have seems to be a mess.
http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

Since we're on our soapboxes.

Today, we are constantly being told, the United States faces a health care crisis. Medical costs are too high, and health insurance is out of reach of the poor. The cause of this crisis is never made very clear, but the cure is obvious to nearly everybody: government must step in to solve the problem.

Eighty years ago, Americans were also told that their nation was facing a health care crisis. Then, however, the complaint was that medical costs were too low, and that health insurance was too accessible. But in that era, too, government stepped forward to solve the problem. And boy, did it solve it!

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, one of the primary sources of health care and health insurance for the working poor in Britain, Australia, and the United States was the fraternal society. Fraternal societies (called "friendly societies" in Britain and Australia) were voluntary mutual-aid associations. Their descendants survive among us today in the form of the Shriners, Elks, Masons, and similar organizations, but these no longer play the central role in American life they formerly did. As recently as 1920, over one-quarter of all adult Americans were members of fraternal societies. (The figure was still higher in Britain and Australia.) Fraternal societies were particularly popular among blacks and immigrants. (Indeed, Teddy Roosevelt's famous attack on "hyphenated Americans" was motivated in part by hostility to the immigrants' fraternal societies; he and other Progressives sought to "Americanize" immigrants by making them dependent for support on the democratic state, rather than on their own independent ethnic communities.)

The principle behind the fraternal societies was simple. A group of working-class people would form an association (or join a local branch, or "lodge," of an existing association) and pay monthly fees into the association's treasury; individual members would then be able to draw on the pooled resources in time of need. The fraternal societies thus operated as a form of self-help insurance company.

Turn-of-the-century America offered a dizzying array of fraternal societies to choose from. Some catered to a particular ethnic or religious group; others did not. Many offered entertainment and social life to their members, or engaged in community service. Some "fraternal" societies were run entirely by and for women. The kinds of services from which members could choose often varied as well, though the most commonly offered were life insurance, disability insurance, and "lodge practice."

"Lodge practice" refers to an arrangement, reminiscent of today's HMOs, whereby a particular society or lodge would contract with a doctor to provide medical care to its members. The doctor received a regular salary on a retainer basis, rather than charging per item; members would pay a yearly fee and then call on the doctor's services as needed. If medical services were found unsatisfactory, the doctor would be penalized, and the contract might not be renewed. Lodge members reportedly enjoyed the degree of customer control this system afforded them. And the tendency to overuse the physician's services was kept in check by the fraternal society's own "self-policing"; lodge members who wanted to avoid future increases in premiums were motivated to make sure that their fellow members were not abusing the system.

Most remarkable was the low cost at which these medical services were provided. At the turn of the century, the average cost of "lodge practice" to an individual member was between one and two dollars a year. A day's wage would pay for a year's worth of medical care. By contrast, the average cost of medical service on the regular market was between one and two dollars per visit. Yet licensed physicians, particularly those who did not come from "big name" medical schools, competed vigorously for lodge contracts, perhaps because of the security they offered; and this competition continued to keep costs low.

The response of the medical establishment, both in America and in Britain, was one of outrage; the institution of lodge practice was denounced in harsh language and apocalyptic tones. Such low fees, many doctors charged, were bankrupting the medical profession. Moreover, many saw it as a blow to the dignity of the profession that trained physicians should be eagerly bidding for the chance to serve as the hirelings of lower-class tradesmen. It was particularly detestable that such uneducated and socially inferior people should be permitted to set fees for the physicians' services, or to sit in judgment on professionals to determine whether their services had been satisfactory. The government, they demanded, must do something.

And so it did. In Britain, the state put an end to the "evil" of lodge practice by bringing health care under political control. Physicians' fees would now be determined by panels of trained professionals (i.e., the physicians themselves) rather than by ignorant patients. State-financed medical care edged out lodge practice; those who were being forced to pay taxes for "free" health care whether they wanted it or not had little incentive to pay extra for health care through the fraternal societies, rather than using the government care they had already paid for.

In America, it took longer for the nation's health care system to be socialized, so the medical establishment had to achieve its ends more indirectly; but the essential result was the same. Medical societies like the AMA imposed sanctions on doctors who dared to sign lodge practice contracts. This might have been less effective if such medical societies had not had access to government power; but in fact, thanks to governmental grants of privilege, they controlled the medical licensure procedure, thus ensuring that those in their disfavor would be denied the right to practice medicine.

Such licensure laws also offered the medical establishment a less overt way of combating lodge practice. It was during this period that the AMA made the requirements for medical licensure far more strict than they had previously been. Their reason, they claimed, was to raise the quality of medical care. But the result was that the number of physicians fell, competition dwindled, and medical fees rose; the vast pool of physicians bidding for lodge practice contracts had been abolished. As with any market good, artifical restrictions on supply created higher prices — a particular hardship for the working-class members of fraternal societies.

The final death blow to lodge practice was struck by the fraternal societies themselves. The National Fraternal Congress — attempting, like the AMA, to reap the benefits of cartelization — lobbied for laws decreeing a legal minimum on the rates fraternal societies could charge. Unfortunately for the lobbyists, the lobbying effort was successful; the unintended consequence was that the minimum rates laws made the services of fraternal societies no longer competitive. Thus the National Fraternal Congress' lobbying efforts, rather than creating a formidable mutual-aid cartel, simply destroyed the fraternal societies' market niche — and with it the opportunity for low-cost health care for the working poor.

Why do we have a crisis in health care costs today? Because government "solved" the last one.
 
Ya, I got killed on lvl 40 (took 2 hours to get to that point) because the Miniboss bot who was behind the spawn wall fired a rocket into the ramp wall and the blast radius extended through the wall and killed me. Then while you guys were finishing up I got a "communication error" and Binary Domain said I wasn't connected to PSN even though I was and I got booted from the game. It is so stupid that you can't rejoin a game you were in in invasion. That's like the 5th time that's happened to me, gotten to a late round and then either my internet or the host's internet mucks up for a second and kills the run.
Have you already got the boosting/invasion trophies?

 
Have you already got the boosting/invasion trophies?
I've got all the Vs. trophies (that is an all consuming grind, like 5 weeks of nothing but evening Vs. boosting), I'm just missing Invasion and some campaign trophies. Either failure or internet hiccups always thwart my Invasion runs.

 
That resistance hero bronze trophy that is obtained by less than 1% of Binary Domain  players...yeah fuck that shit. You guys are gluttons for punishment.

 
im down for invasion guardian. hopefully we can do it without fails or internet hiccups.

that's 2 trophies towards plat i need. single player trophies are easy.

 
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BTW, the wife has been complaining for a while that her 2010 Unibody has been running like shit. Had her do a clean reinstall of OS X Yosemite, same thing. Checked the specs--she's running on 2GB.  :wall:

$146 to upgrade to a Samsung Evo 850 250GB and 8GB RAM. Hopefully that'll hold her off from a new PC for ~5 years or so. SSD prices have gotten so much better. Newegg had the Evo for $88.

 
No ban or mod intervention. Pretty sure it's just Stotch deleting tons of his own posts for whatever reason.

 
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Atelier Sophie trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsiYQSKDGYs

I really do like the character designs for these games. Can't tell much of the PS4 upgrade versus the PS3 games here, though, outside some of the outside wandering near the end with all the grass and stuff all over the place.

 
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anyone wanna boost airmech arena sometime? it shouldn't be tough cuz no one is playing online or else I would do it legit. iv got 61/100 kills and probly only like 5/20 interceptions legit but i can't even find games anymore. it is free to play ps4

 
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Am I being punked? Is that site like the Onion or is supposed to be serious?

Do you really want to go back to medicine from the late 1800s? To when doctors performed lobotomies to fix cure mental health issues. Or bloodletting was practiced?

Who belongs to lodges? Even way back in the good old days only 1/4 of adults did.

Sorry lots has changed over 120 years.

But yeah government bad. Lets just let the markets sort it out. I mean they have the best interests of their stock holders in mind what can go wrong?

 
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Jimmy, we going for the plat in TPS or nah?

Looking through the trophies more, quite a few are rare on ps4 but they dont sound too stupid. Main ones again are going to be all sides and all level 1 challenges, havent looked at challenges yet to see which ones if any are dumb.

Challenges in 2 were pretty easy with only a couple you had to grind but were still not hard, just took time.

 
Jimmy, we going for the plat in TPS or nah?

Looking through the trophies more, quite a few are rare on ps4 but they dont sound too stupid. Main ones again are going to be all sides and all level 1 challenges, havent looked at challenges yet to see which ones if any are dumb.

Challenges in 2 were pretty easy with only a couple you had to grind but were still not hard, just took time.
I don't see why not. As much as I bitch about the game it isn't horrible. Double plat since we both have the PS3 version too. A friend of mine can help us on PS3. I am pretty sure he has the plat and some high level people and gear. I don't think it is a hard plat. Just a bit of a grind at times for some of the challenges.

I will ask my friend if he got the plat or not and if he did what was the hard things to get done.

I think one of the trophies requires three people to get but maybe I am reading it wrong.

 
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