PSNOT 3.0 - Let's Talk About University of Kentucky, Baby!

Zimm108 said:
On a lighter note, the two guys that formed Criterion and created Burnout and Black and are making a golf game called Dangerous Golf where the point is to blow shit up.

No trailer or footage yet, just some gigantic screens.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/26/10832516/dangerous-golf-three-fields-interview

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I didn't realize how much I needed something like this in my life.

Burnout + Hot Shots Golf = HOW CAN YOU GO WRONG

 
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MildObstruction said:
I wouldn't say I was frothing at the mouth. Until I saw the new umbrella corps trailer that has a new gen version of the village from re4.
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Hopefully this means RE4 PS4 isn't too far behind :)

Wrencrest said:
Gamestop 50% bonus. you dont need to be prime or whatever their membership is called to get the 50% right? It doesnt say it on the site but just want to be sure. I havent been to or paid attention to any Gamestop deals in years.
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No you just get an extra 10% if you are a Power Up Rewards member. If you are dumping a lot of stuff it may be worth the money of getting it...ex: $200 worth of trade in stuff would net you an extra $20 with the $15 sub. Plus you get a free Game Informer magazine to read on the can.

 
They've been announcing the plus lineup only a few days before they're supposed to be downloadable right? Bored me wishes we could get the list today. I want something to bitch or be hype about. 

 
Sorry for getting all political and ranty in here this morning.  Going to see Uncle Bernie at a rally tonight so I may be a little more fired up than normal.

 
Sagemoon said:
They've been announcing the plus lineup only a few days before they're supposed to be downloadable right? Bored me wishes we could get the list today. I want something to bitch or be hype about.
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They've been announcing it (or the list has leaked) the week before the new lineup becomes available, so we should hopefully hear about it by Thursday.

 
i was lucky enough to get the day off for my 4th and 5th kids births, but i wasn't able to get the day off for my 6th so i just quit. you people and your sweet jobs.

 
Zimm108 said:
Ok well maybe mandatory is a bad idea, but I still feel the option should be available for every American if they want it. A company can find a way to get by for 2 to 4 to however many weeks so parents can bond with their new children and as a family. And if McDonalds or Wal-Mart is suffering so much from paying their workers, maybe reduce the pay in your overinflated board or CEO or whoever fuck is making more money than they can spend.
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Again, wanting something and having a viable solution are two different things. We all want something better but you cant always have what you want. Who says the CEOs are not worth their salary? A lot of them worked hard to get where they are and many Americans can work their way up to high paying jobs too. You gotta want it though. And probably get your nose brown. A lot.

Disclaimer: Obviously a lot of CEOs make too much money and some are terrible at their jobs. Just like any employee.

Zimm108 said:
Sorry for getting all political and ranty in here this morning. Going to see Uncle Bernie at a rally tonight so I may be a little more fired up than normal.
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No reason to say sorry. Its a discussion. Im not fired up at all. Just discussing the "issue".

 
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As a heartless guy with no kids, I don't think we should mandate paying people for time off to have kids. We childless people already have to cover for your asses at work enough!

Kind of kidding, kind of not. I'm a little conflicted on this one.
 
Speaking of parental leave, my cousin put something good on Facebook yesterday about "The Nazis offered 12 weeks of paid maternity leave and the US offers none. Let that sink in for a minute."

So I'm pretty sure people are batshit crazy when they're implying we would be better off with Nazis running the show.
 
Yeah of course guys I'd love to have a few weeks off with our daughter, but at the same time I understand how important I am to the company I work for and I understand that working for a "small" company (compared to others in the industry), they can't afford to pay me for doing nothing for that amount of time. I just try to be thankful that I have a decent job and that they completely understand if I need to take off and do something like this. They're lenient in that regard, but by no means do I expect them to pay me for not being there. In a perfect world, yeah I'd get that paid time off. But I also feel our country just has way bigger issues that deserve more attention than that right now.
 
Zimm108 said:
Ok well maybe mandatory is a bad idea, but I still feel the option should be available for every American if they want it. A company can find a way to get by for 2 to 4 to however many weeks so parents can bond with their new children and as a family. And if McDonalds or Wal-Mart is suffering so much from paying their workers, maybe reduce the pay in your overinflated board or CEO or whoever fuck is making more money than they can spend.
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I completely agree it should be an option for people to take off. I actually thought it was to a certain extent under FMLA, but I admit I do not know the details well enough to speak to it but I do think it is unpaid.

I did not say the corporations were suffering. That is a completely different argument. The corporations have to do what is best for the shareholders. If that means labor costs become cheaper by replacing humans with robots, it is their job to do it. Will there be public backlash? Absolutely. Then people may stop going and McDonalds may fold. That is all part of capitalism though. Like it or not.

As far as the CEOs, most of them are heavily tied to stock performance. I absolutely think many of them end up making too much. However, the money the majority of that money is made due to them having the company operating at a profit so the stock goes up. It would be much better if more of that gain was passed around to employees getting a share of that pie. The better companies do.

 
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simmias said:
As a heartless guy with no kids, I don't think we should mandate paying people for time off to have kids. We childless people already have to cover for your asses at work enough!

Kind of kidding, kind of not. I'm a little conflicted on this one.
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this is true enough.

fun fact: other dudes I've worked with that have had kids have only left for a week or two despite the company supporting and encouraging them to use their fmla time. why? either they were bored at home or they felt guilty/unmanly for leaving for too long.

silicon valley companies have been crowing a lot about their new unlimited maternity/paternity leave policies but it's actually a pretty good gambit: sure it's unlimited, but either you're such a valuable asset to the company that they'll gladly take you back whenever or you'll be so worried about your job that you'll come back in a couple weeks anyways. and it all looks like an incredible benefit improving the profile of the company.

 
simmias said:
As a heartless guy with no kids, I don't think we should mandate paying people for time off to have kids. We childless people already have to cover for your asses at work enough!

Kind of kidding, kind of not. I'm a little conflicted on this one.
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Having a child of your own is something magical, honestly...I'm not joking. Nothing like holding your own child for the first time. I think a week or two is a perfectly acceptable amount of time to be paid for at least so you get to bond with your child during that time. As for mothers though that time is even more important too as some need to have C-sections and shit too which makes their own recovery longer.

 
Zimm108 said:
Sorry for getting all political and ranty in here this morning. Going to see Uncle Bernie at a rally tonight so I may be a little more fired up than normal.
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I have always carried the keep politics out of the thread flag. At this point, I think it has been long enough that we all know who we like and who we don't and hopefully we are more intelligent than our law makers and know we do not have to suddenly think someone is uneducated or evil just because they do not have the same political beliefs.

I want the country to be like it was where the 2 sides tried to work together to get things done and we never went too far one way or another. I hope that we can somehow manage to get back to that, but I am afraid the us and them thing has been going on too long now.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
I completely agree it should be an option for people to take off but I think it is unpaid. I actually thought it was to a certain extent under FMLA, but I admit I do not know the details well enough to speak to it.

I did not say the corporations were suffering. That is a completely different argument. The corporations have to do what is best for the shareholders. If that means labor costs become cheaper by replacing humans with robots, it is their job to do it. Will there be public backlash? Absolutely. Then people may stop going and McDonalds may fold. That is all part of capitalism though. Like it or not.

As far as the CEOs, most of them are heavily tied to stock performance. I absolutely think many of them end up making too much. However, the money the majority of that money is made due to them having the company operating at a profit so the stock goes up. It would be much better if more of that gain was passed around to employees getting a share of that pie. The better companies do.
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Shouldn't these giant behemoth companies have a responsibility to help the greater public when they get so huge and integrated into our lives? I'm not talking by way of laws and whatnot, but just from an ethical point of view. Yes I know most CEOs/big institutions have never heard of ethics, but I'm saying shouldn't they feel a responsibility to provide decent jobs for the community they're in? Giving more money to the workers of a poor part of town helps those people spend more money at other places in that same poor neighborhood which eventually stops being a poor neighborhood.

And yes you're right that if they install robots people would boycott, but I think a good society realizes that not all people have the means/smarts/desire to move past making minimum wage. We need someone to flip the burgers and mop the floor. And we can help those people with at least a living wage, then we should.

#notAnEconimist

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
I have always carried the keep politics out of the thread flag. At this point, I think it has been long enough that we all know who we like and who we don't and hopefully we are more intelligent than our law makers and know we do not have to suddenly think someone is uneducated or evil just because they do not have the same political beliefs.

I want the country to be like it was where the 2 sides tried to work together to get things done and we never went too far one way or another. I hope that we can somehow manage to get back to that, but I am afraid the us and them thing has been going on too long now.
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The us vs. them thing is way out of control. At the point you're threatening, and then following through with, a government shut down multiple times, it's more than out of hand.

 
simmias said:
As a heartless guy with no kids, I don't think we should mandate paying people for time off to have kids. We childless people already have to cover for your asses at work enough!

Kind of kidding, kind of not. I'm a little conflicted on this one.
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The funny thing is the same people that have kids and would take their leave and would never want that taken away ALSO COMPLAIN when they have to take on someone else's work while they are out on maternity/paternity leave.

All of these issues we discuss come back to one thing. ME. What is impacting ME at this time. fuck everyone else.

 
Wrencrest said:
Yeah...we should all have high paying jobs and have free medical care and not have to mortgage our homes. Oh and everyone should have a house they own too. No one should live in the street. OH and we should eradicate all disease too! No one should be racist or murderers either.

Oh but dont ask me how we would do all this. Just make it happen.
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First thing to do is get rid of politicians, bankers, and lawyers.

 
Zimm108 said:
Exactly!!!! Just doooooo itttttttttttt!!!!!!

But seriously, there should be at least something for this. Tons of other countries have no problem doing the mandatory paid paternity leave thing with no repercussions. Maybe we should go talk to them. We're just too interested in making as much money as humanly possible over here, people be damned.

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Tons of other countries pay a lot higher taxes which is probably how they pay for things like this.

 
since zimm already ruined the thread for today, I was wondering if there are any Trump supporters in psnot.  I'm genuinely not trying to start some shit, I just want to understand why he's so great.  I really thought it was kind of a joke until I heard this week that polls in IA and NH are giving him the edge by a considerable margin.  

Edit - it should be noted that I'm politically apathetic.  I listen to npr in my car rides to and from work and that's the extent of my current events involvement.  I have no room to be critical of anyone.  that said, we are looking in to moving to America Lite (the UK) if things continue down the road they're on.

 
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MildObstruction said:
I actually think the current system is ok. fmla covers the allowance for the 16 weeks of leave without fear of losing your job, it's just too bad it has to be consecutive (so you could go back and earn some money but still leave for a bit if the lady needs help). I always take my 16 weeks whether I can cover it with vacation/sick time or not because it's totally worth it but I obviously understand not everyone has that luxuty.

correct. it rang up with the 50% bonus before I even handed them my card.
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Assuming the TIV hold I am going to unload 3 or 4 games on Friday. Breaking even or making a few bucks on them all. I just want to knock out a few more trophies in Mad Max first.

 
Vigilante said:
I don't think you need to be a paid PowerUpRewards member to get the 50% bonus.

EDIT: Mild'd with confirmation.
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PUR gives you 10% on the base but as Mild said 50% on the base even without PUR.

Probably buy some Amazon credit maybe towards Uncharted 4 since that one doesn't get BB GCU $10 credit anyway.

 
Zimm108 said:
Shouldn't these giant behemoth companies have a responsibility to help the greater public when they get so huge and integrated into our lives? I'm not talking by way of laws and whatnot, but just from an ethical point of view. Yes I know most CEOs/big institutions have never heard of ethics, but I'm saying shouldn't they feel a responsibility to provide decent jobs for the community they're in? Giving more money to the workers of a poor part of town helps those people spend more money at other places in that same poor neighborhood which eventually stops being a poor neighborhood.

And yes you're right that if they install robots people would boycott, but I think a good society realizes that not all people have the means/smarts/desire to move past making minimum wage. We need someone to flip the burgers and mop the floor. And we can help those people with at least a living wage, then we should.

#notAnEconimist
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Absolutely they should have ethics. If not, vote with your wallet. Problem is, everyone wants to just spout ideals and not be informed enough to know who they should support.

I believe in pure capitalism. I believe many of our issues can be traced back to getting away from that. If you keep having the government try to decide who is too big to fail there is only one more option for something too big to fail left. The government itself. Who will be there to bail it out?

Zimm108 said:
I'm ok with this method.
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You realize these two posts kind of logically counteract each other right? You say higher taxes is OK but yet poor people should have more money. You can't really do both of those things without the government trying to pick the winners and the losers.

 
Zimm108 said:
Shouldn't these giant behemoth companies have a responsibility to help the greater public when they get so huge and integrated into our lives? I'm not talking by way of laws and whatnot, but just from an ethical point of view. Yes I know most CEOs/big institutions have never heard of ethics, but I'm saying shouldn't they feel a responsibility to provide decent jobs for the community they're in? Giving more money to the workers of a poor part of town helps those people spend more money at other places in that same poor neighborhood which eventually stops being a poor neighborhood.

And yes you're right that if they install robots people would boycott, but I think a good society realizes that not all people have the means/smarts/desire to move past making minimum wage. We need someone to flip the burgers and mop the floor. And we can help those people with at least a living wage, then we should.

#notAnEconimist
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Giant companies are run by people that are greedy and are owned by more people that are greedy. Greedy people dont want to share all their gold. And I got news for you, everyone is greedy.

 
MildObstruction said:
since zimm already ruined the thread for today, I was wondering if there are any Trump supporters in psnot. I'm genuinely not trying to start some shit, I just want to understand why he's so great. I really thought it was kind of a joke until I heard this week that polls in IA and NH are giving him the edge by a considerable margin.

Edit - it should be noted that I'm politically apathetic. I listen to npr in my car rides to and from work and that's the extent of my current events involvement. I have no room to be critical of anyone. that said, we are looking in to moving to America Lite (the UK) if things continue down the road they're on.
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I don't know if I'm politically apathetic, but I'm wish-washy. Most of these political issues have pretty good/valid points on both sides.

And as an anecdotal observation, all of the people I know personally that support Trump aren't very smart. Which isn't to say that all of his supporters are.. I might just know more dumb people. Seriously, though, how are we logistically going to deport every illegal immigrant in the country and then let them back in?

 
jimbo8574 said:
First thing to do is get rid of politicians, bankers, and lawyers.
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Easy.

Dont want politicians? Get rid of government. Pure anarchy ensues, no one will protect anyone. Especially the poor.

No bankers? Okay, no banks, so everyone puts all their money under their mattress or somewhere in their house. And since everyone knows everyone has all their money on them or in their homes break ins and armed robbery spike 1 million %. Anarchy ensues.

No lawyers? This is the easiest of all. No lawsuits can be filed. But thats not a problem since there is no government to hear the case and only a few powerful people have all the money. See above. Those powerful people will split into factions/tribes and rule as Kings. And yeah they will all be men because on average men are physically bigger/stronger so women would become subservient again just like the "good old days (I imagine Therm saying this)".

 
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MildObstruction said:
since zimm already ruined the thread for today, I was wondering if there are any Trump supporters in psnot. I'm genuinely not trying to start some shit, I just want to understand why he's so great. I really thought it was kind of a joke until I heard this week that polls in IA and NH are giving him the edge by a considerable margin.

Edit - it should be noted that I'm politically apathetic. I listen to npr in my car rides to and from work and that's the extent of my current events involvement. I have no room to be critical of anyone. that said, we are looking in to moving to America Lite (the UK) if things continue down the road they're on.
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Since I am probably sounding like a nut job right winger to a lot of people with my posts today, let me just come out and say I am definitely NOT a supporter of his. If I was forced to vote for a Republican and my only options were him and Cruz, I would probably vote for him since Cruz scares me even more. Like I mentioned earlier, right now I would not vote for any of the main 4 candidates. All of them have views on items I think are critical that are too far away from my own.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
You realize these two posts kind of logically counteract each other right? You say higher taxes is OK but yet poor people should have more money. You can't really do both of those things without the government trying to pick the winners and the losers.
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They don't completely cancel each other out though. Sure, poor people would be taxed at a higher rate, but they'd also be gaining access to more things they need without the same kind of out of pocket costs. Yes, the money is still coming out of pocket, but typically it'd be at a more manageable rate than say, having to pay a 6k+ deductible plus any other costs if you have a medical emergency.

In that case, the ideology behind it is the same. Under the current system, more money to actually attempt to pay for shit like that, or under a new system, less money, but the random shit is taken care of.

 
GatorBeerGeek said:
Absolutely they should have ethics. If not, vote with your wallet. Problem is, everyone wants to just spout ideals and not be informed enough to know who they should support.

I believe in pure capitalism. I believe many of our issues can be traced back to getting away from that. If you keep having the government try to decide who is too big to fail there is only one more option for something too big to fail left. The government itself. Who will be there to bail it out?

You realize these two posts kind of logically counteract each other right? You say higher taxes is OK but yet poor people should have more money. You can't really do both of those things without the government trying to pick the winners and the losers.
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I don't think they completely counteract with each other. Tax rates need to be adjusted. Higher wages can lead to more taxes being paid (as long as the wage increases is more than the tax increase).

I've always said that I don't mind paying more in to help schools get the supplies, facilities, and good dedicated teachers they need because more smarter children in my neighborhood, state, and country is better for me in the long run than what I'd probably spend the money on.

 
Trump scares me, but you guys saying like sage and gator you want govt to get back to working together, I think he is THAT guy. Hes not really conservative, hes more of a moderate on a lot of things and I think he would work to cut deals with the "other" side more than any candidate either R or D running. Hillary will be obama 2.0 and bernie will be even more left leaning than obama. The other R candidates are more right leaning so would try and pull stuff that way, Trump might be the most central candidate from either side and as he champions, he knows the art of the deal and would work with both sides to make deals, whether good or bad, who knows, but it wont be as big of a stalemate as the last 6 years I think.

Good talk.

edit: realize it sounds like i support trump, I dont honestly, at least not yet anyways, not picked anyone yet.

 
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jkam said:
Having a child of your own is something magical, honestly...I'm not joking. Nothing like holding your own child for the first time. I think a week or two is a perfectly acceptable amount of time to be paid for at least so you get to bond with your child during that time. As for mothers though that time is even more important too as some need to have C-sections and shit too which makes their own recovery longer.
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My understanding is FMLA gives you 12 weeks. Your job does NOT have to pay you but has to hold your position for you. At my company I could use PTO time and I believe sick days. I have 80 hour sick time in my bank. I did use up all my PTO last year (I was actually 4 hours short but they let me use sick) so nothing carried over. Probably have 10 PTO hours or so. So I could take 2 week and a day off with pay at this point. After that no pay.

Something people should think about if they are trying to have kids is to try and bank (assuming their job allows) PTO and sick days so the father can take some time off when the baby comes.

I can also use PTO and sick time if I was to go out on disability (which I did a few years back). Banking days for life events can be a smart thing if you can't afford to be without a paycheck for a few weeks.

 
I would vote for Trump just as a middle finger to the real politicians.  Besides, it isnt like Trump can actually do some of the crazy shit he wants to.  The President isnt a God.  He doesnt have absolute power.  Obama and every President before him has said they would do a lot of things before they get into office.  Once in they are either shot down by Congress or some strings are pulled behind the scenes, or you know as President he is given better info (secrets if you will) that tell him not to do what he planned.  #politics

 
mpaullin said:
I don't know if I'm politically apathetic, but I'm wish-washy. Most of these political issues have pretty good/valid points on both sides.
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yeah, I'm kind of the same. that chris rock bit from dogma stuck with me - or at least the concept of having ideas instead of beliefs did. I don't like to dig my heels in about stuff, I'd rather have an open mind and hear what other people have to say. I also figured out a long time ago (albeit not long enough) that there's always plenty of people that know more than me about everything. so who am I to talk like I have the answers? (I don't)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efTwYSuqIgo

 
MildObstruction said:
Edit - it should be noted that I'm politically apathetic. I listen to npr in my car rides to and from work and that's the extent of my current events involvement. I have no room to be critical of anyone. that said, we are looking in to moving to America Lite (the UK) if things continue down the road they're on.
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I always take comfort in my dual citizenship (U.S. and Canada) in case shit ever got too fucked up here. But damn, it's cold up there.

And games cost so much more!
 
Wrencrest said:
Easy.

Dont want politicians? Get rid of government. Pure anarchy ensues, no one will protect anyone. Especially the poor.

No bankers? Okay, no banks, so everyone puts all their money under their mattress or somewhere in their house. And since everyone knows everyone has all their money on them or in their homes break ins and armed robbery spike 1 million %. Anarchy ensues.

No lawyers? This is the easiest of all. No lawsuits can be filed. But thats not a problem since there is no government to hear the case and only a few powerful people have all the money. See above. Those powerful people will split into factions/tribes and rule as Kings. And yeah they will all be men because on average men are physically bigger/stronger so women would become subservient again just like the "good old days (I imagine Therm saying this)".
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It was a joke. I wasn't serious.

 
kilik64 said:
Trump scares me, but you guys saying like sage and gator you want govt to get back to working together, I think he is THAT guy. Hes not really conservative, hes more of a moderate on a lot of things and I think he would work to cut deals with the "other" side more than any candidate either R or D running. Hillary will be obama 2.0 and bernie will be even more left leaning than obama. The other R candidates are more right leaning so would try and pull stuff that way, Trump might be the most central candidate from either side and as he champions, he knows the art of the deal and would work with both sides to make deals, whether good or bad, who knows, but it wont be as big of a stalemate as the last 6 years I think.

Good talk.

edit: realize it sounds like i support trump, I dont honestly, at least not yet anyways, not picked anyone yet.
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It is a sad day in this country when we have to point to Trump as the most moderate of the main candidates. I think you are right actually. That scares the hell out of me.

ETA: I do not think he would be the one to work with the other side more. I do think his overall views are closer to the middle of the road on more topics than most of the others though.

 
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Zimm108 said:
Shouldn't these giant behemoth companies have a responsibility to help the greater public when they get so huge and integrated into our lives? I'm not talking by way of laws and whatnot, but just from an ethical point of view. Yes I know most CEOs/big institutions have never heard of ethics, but I'm saying shouldn't they feel a responsibility to provide decent jobs for the community they're in? Giving more money to the workers of a poor part of town helps those people spend more money at other places in that same poor neighborhood which eventually stops being a poor neighborhood.
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They answer and are responsible to the shareholders. Just the way it is. Would it be nice if they thought of the little people who work for them and took care of them? Yes. But these big corporations are about maximizing profits for the shareholders. Some billionaires decide to do great things with their money personal. Many do not.

 
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