16 year old sees woman naked, mother arrested by Morality Police

[quote name='Rich']So basically you know you're wrong.[/QUOTE]

LOL

Slavery was once legal according to American law.

As CTL says, game over Rich, thanks for playing.
 
[quote name='Rich']So basically you know you're wrong.[/QUOTE]

I love how if it political in any way you have to jump in and take the absolute most conservative angle and fight it to the bitter end. Even when you know that you're wrong, or like in this case you've changed the arguement to what you can argue, instead of the real debate.

I believe the full debate is about morality, not if its criminal or not.

I fully respect your moral issues on this debate, but your criminal issues no one really gives a fuck about because thats not the debate.

Thanks for the laughs....
 
bad judgment or not. I feel it is your children and your choose as to what happens with them or what they are exposed to. when I was 12 I went over my cousins friends house and he was at playboy.com should he and his whole household went to jail. The family's in trouble but if he went to a P2P & downloaded porn. whose fault is it then.
 
[quote name='Graystone']bad judgment or not. I feel it is your children and your choose as to what happens with them or what they are exposed to. when I was 12 I went over my cousins friends house and he was at playboy.com should he and his whole household went to jail. The family's in trouble but if he went to a P2P & downloaded porn. whose fault is it then.[/QUOTE]

It sounds interesting, but I lost you after playboy.com.
 
[quote name='Graystone']Bad judgment or not, I feel you should choose what happens to your children or what they are exposed to. When I was 12, I went over my cousin's friend's house and he was at playboy.com. Should his whole household have been sent to jail? Who's fault is it if he goes onto a P2P client and downloads porn?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I was bored enough to translate that into English. You're all just lucky I studied 'babbling fool' at my public highschool.

If he's downloading porn, it's his parent's fault. As a minor he has no legal possesions, ergo, the PC and it's porn belong to his parents. If he's using the pc to find porn, his parents are to blame.


duh.
 
Having just watched Kinsey, I find this debate quite interesting. I still feel that, for the most part, we're sexually repressed. At the same time, I think we need to exercise some self-control and weigh the consequences of our actions--sex can be a dangerous thing. Yeah, "swinging" might be sexually liberating for some, but what if the couple has children? And what happens when romantic ties start to develop? That kind of thing can cause incredible trauma.
While I can see and understand all sides of this argument, I agree that there are certain boundaries between parents and children that shouldn't be crossed--this being one of them. I'd feel the same way if it was for his 18th, or even 21st birthday. Sure, there's nothing "wrong" with it, but it's certainly strange. All the people I grew up with that had the "cool" parents--the ones that bought the weed and beer, and had the porn collections--turned out a little screwed up. It isn't healthy; kids can get friends anywhere, they need you to be the parent.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']All the people I grew up with that had the "cool" parents--the ones that bought the weed and beer, and had the porn collections--turned out a little screwed up. It isn't healthy; kids can get friends anywhere, they need you to be the parent.[/QUOTE]

Is that from the liberal parents, or the conservative society continually sending out the mixed message that sex is voyeristically awesome (primetime TV) but participation is morally wrong (politics/pulpit/news/legal system).

I mean, is Europe so out of control in terms of sexual liberation that their societies are in danger of anarchy/moral bankruptcy (with the exception of certain parts of Holland, you can take it too far ;) ).
 
[quote name='camoor']Is that from the liberal parents, or the conservative society continually sending out the mixed message that sex is voyeristically awesome (primetime TV) but participation is morally wrong (politics/pulpit/news/legal system).

I mean, is Europe so out of control in terms of sexual liberation that their societies are in danger of anarchy/moral bankruptcy (with the exception of certain parts of Holland, you can take it too far ;) ).[/QUOTE]

Funnier yet... Most americans view Europeans as prudes.
 
[quote name='camoor']I saw it on the news this morning, the parents had consent from all the other parents.

It was funny - Dianne Sawyer was trying to publicly shame the mother, and the mother seemed perfectly calm with her decision.

Besides, show me a 16 year-old boy who hasn't used the internet to search for naked ladies. I think the real issue is that the mother removed the shame that the 16 year-old should have felt for his desire to see a naked woman. Luckily society and that nosy Walgreens lady are here to step in and cast the Scarlet S on this mother and her offspring.[/QUOTE]
Why should there be any shame felt by the 16 year old? It was his birthday and he got strippers. I'm guessing he enjoyed his present. No shame involved in enjoying yourself...
 
[quote name='camoor']You must have had a very sheltered existence, were you brought up in a catholic boarding school during the 1930's?[/QUOTE]
May have just lived in a controlled enviornment with parents that did a good job of watching what their kids do. Whats with you and jumping to the extreme all the time...
 
[quote name='Kayden']Yes, I was bored enough to translate that into English. You're all just lucky I studied 'babbling fool' at my public highschool.

If he's downloading porn, it's his parent's fault. As a minor he has no legal possesions, ergo, the PC and it's porn belong to his parents. If he's using the pc to find porn, his parents are to blame.


duh.[/QUOTE]

Ya but when the kid knows more than his parents about computers, deletes the history, cookies, stores downloads on cd's etc., not much they can do. As long as they don't mess up, most parents wouldn't suspect anything.

Though, someone mentioned drinking, I think it's good to expose kids to controlled drinking in safe environments. I was growing up, and I know some other kids who were allowed a glass of wine and things like that. When they got to college alcohol wasn't this "forbiden fruit" that it is to many of them. If done right I believe it can prevent future problems with alcohol. Though, obviously, the cool parent who gives it to their kid so they can get hammered wouldn't exactly be doing what I'm suggesting.
 
[quote name='camoor']Is that from the liberal parents, or the conservative society continually sending out the mixed message that sex is voyeristically awesome (primetime TV) but participation is morally wrong (politics/pulpit/news/legal system).

I mean, is Europe so out of control in terms of sexual liberation that their societies are in danger of anarchy/moral bankruptcy (with the exception of certain parts of Holland, you can take it too far ;) ).[/QUOTE]

Jesus, why does everything have to be either liberal or conservative? You're trying to dig far too deeply into what I was getting at. I don't want to get into the right vs. left game, I'm just saying parents have somewhat of an obligation to their children--they need to maintain some level of authority, even into adulthood. Like I said before, everyone needs friends, and sometimes parents can play that role--it should never interfere with their duties as mothers or fathers, however.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']Jesus, why does everything have to be either liberal or conservative? You're trying to dig far too deeply into what I was getting at. I don't want to get into the right vs. left game, I'm just saying parents have somewhat of an obligation to their children--they need to maintain some level of authority, even into adulthood. Like I said before, everyone needs friends, and sometimes parents can play that role--it should never interfere with their duties as mothers or fathers, however.[/QUOTE]

Please don't address camoor in shades of gray... His head might explode.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']Jesus, why does everything have to be either liberal or conservative? You're trying to dig far too deeply into what I was getting at. I don't want to get into the right vs. left game, I'm just saying parents have somewhat of an obligation to their children--they need to maintain some level of authority, even into adulthood. Like I said before, everyone needs friends, and sometimes parents can play that role--it should never interfere with their duties as mothers or fathers, however.[/QUOTE]

That may be true but it's the parent's job to do this. Police shouldn't be arresting parents for giving kids too much candy or letting 16 year-olds see a naked woman.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Why should there be any shame felt by the 16 year old? It was his birthday and he got strippers. I'm guessing he enjoyed his present. No shame involved in enjoying yourself...[/QUOTE]

I agree - it's really the fault of the new "moralistic" American society.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']May have just lived in a controlled enviornment with parents that did a good job of watching what their kids do. Whats with you and jumping to the extreme all the time...[/QUOTE]

It's a joke, but the self-styled moderates (I must admit, they are usually liberals) here have been gettting pretty sensitive as of late. Because you're new - a word of warning: if you like cracking funnies, be prepared for several passive-aggressive posts about you in non-releated threads.
 
[quote name='camoor']That may be true but it's the parent's job to do this. Police shouldn't be arresting parents for giving kids too much candy or letting 16 year-olds see a naked woman.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so the police should just mind their own business. Because the parents "always know best," we should just toss aside any legal issues related to their behavior. You're right, it is the parents' job, but that doesn't mean we should allow all of them to raise (or not raise) their children in whatever manner they deem appropriate. Parents are far from flawless creatures.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']Oh, so the police should just mind their own business. Because the parents "always know best," we should just toss aside any legal issues related to their behavior. You're right, it is the parents' job, but that doesn't mean we should allow all of them to raise (or not raise) their children in whatever manner they deem appropriate. Parents are far from flawless creatures.[/QUOTE]

Camoor didn't make a blanket statement such as "parents' will is absolute and the law shouldn't interfere." It's a situational thing. If you look at his statement, he only mentioned 2 situations - candy and seeing a woman naked. Both are hardly criminal actions. Now if the parents were selling their child for prostitution or being a drug mule then there's more obvious concern.
 
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