16 year old sees woman naked, mother arrested by Morality Police

[quote name='doodle777_98']But i think their parents can show them any kind of art form as long as its safe. [/QUOTE]

Narcotics are safe with supervision, would you let kids view THAT art?

And sex is safe with a condom, so would you let a child have sex?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Narcotics are safe with supervision, would you let kids view THAT art?

And sex is safe with a condom, so would you let a child have sex?[/QUOTE]

I have a feeling both answers will be returned with a hanging chad yes.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Narcotics are safe with supervision, would you let kids view THAT art?

And sex is safe with a condom, so would you let a child have sex?[/QUOTE]

Either way they are going to get done. Right? I've seen middle kids with kids. I've seen 16 year old boys getting high at parties. When i have kids i rather have them do it at home then leave the house and do it behind my back.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']There's no such thing as being "sexually liberated", that's just a bullshit term that people use to make their flaws look better. Would you consider a married couple who swings "sexually liberated"? What if they have kids? Oh, they must just be examples of more-evolved human beings![/QUOTE]

Wow, the morality police sure mind-fucked you. Do you have sex through a hole in the sheet, and get excited by "naked ankle" porn too?
 
Porn is definitely not art, But what's so special about art anyway? Would I do that shit for my kids? No. It's illegal, for one. More importantly, I would NEVER encourage them to do things they aren't old enough to do. fuck that BS about at least being able to supervise them. It's just weak. This woman should get in trouble for being a bad parent. Seeing nudity does not equal seeing a stripper. It's sad that she got another 10 parents to agree it was ok. If she's "sexually liberated", that means she's got the right to go to the strip joint any time she likes. I think that's fine, everyone wins when women go to the strip joint. But she shouldn't expose her children to it because they are kids, although I admit that 16 is just about the age I would not feel the need to confiscate my son's porn and inform my wife. Unless it was Backdoor Sluts 6, of course.
 
Kids are having sex anyways. If they have sex then yes they should wear condoms. Your kind of thinking is what helps kids have abortions and lead to kids having kids. Narcotics are safe in supervision, many people actually use it for medical perpuses.

I rather have my kids watching strippers at home then out fucking your daughter without a condom.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']Kids are having sex anyways. If they have sex then yes they should wear condoms. Your kind of thinking is what helps kids have abortions and lead to kids having kids. Narcotics are safe in supervision, many people actually use it for medical perpuses.

I rather have my kids watching strippers at home then out fucking your daughter without a condom.[/QUOTE]

I like how in all of your examples, "Not Smoking Pot" is never an option.

EDIT: Just noticed you editted your post at the same time I quoted it.

You're "I'd rather" is heavily flawed, because your taking something that happened and just comparing it to something less acceptable. "I'd rather have my kid kill only 1 person as opposed to 20." Yeah, but that doesn't make either choice valid.

Instead of raising with the intent to not make them the worst kids around, how about trying to make them the best. Finishing second to last STILL sucks.
 
I don't smoke pot, but kids do it anyways. Same thing with sex. I bieleve the only form of safe sex is abstiance but kids arnt raised to make good choices. Therefore when we say no you can't do it, it usually gets done anyways. Best thing to do is keep it safer.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I like how in all of your examples, "Not Smoking Pot" is never an option.[/QUOTE]

If you decide to pick that shitty approach to parenting, it pretty much isn't an option.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']I don't smoke pot, but kids do it anyways. Same thing with sex. I bieleve the only form of safe sex is abstiance but kids arnt raised to make good choices. Therefore when we say no you can't do it, it usually gets done anyways. Best thing to do is keep it safer.[/QUOTE]

Did it ever occur to you that deciding not to make and enforce rules = not raising kids to make good choices?
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']I don't smoke pot, but kids do it anyways. Same thing with sex. I bieleve the only form of safe sex is abstiance but kids arnt raised to make good choices. Therefore when we say no you can't do it, it usually gets done anyways. Best thing to do is keep it safer.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

You said kids are raised to make good choices... but then you also say you'd let them have sex and do drugs in your presence... Where did the system fail? :lol:
 
I didnt start the camparing thing. I agree it's stupid.

"This mother is a up, a dumbass and should be in jail. Where is the cut off? If he was 18 then fine. It's just like if she bought him beer for his 18th birthday and goes drunk driving and killed someone, it would be her fault." by david85

But when in rome, right?
 
hey, a good choice would if my kid said no dad i dont want a stripper. My parents asked me if i wanted pron when i was high school. I said no. My parents asked if i wanted to smoke cigarettes i said no. I ended up being a straigh edge(which means, a kid who doesnt drink, smoke or have sex) i have a terrific (virgin) girlfriend, i was salutatorian of my high school and is about to graduate college and get married. I think that strategy worked pretty well. I'm not saying it should be enforced but i don't think you should make descions on how to raise another persons child, especially since no harm was done.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']hey, a good choice would if my kid said no dad i dont want a stripper. My parents asked me if i wanted pron when i was high school. I said no. My parents asked if i wanted to smoke cigarettes i said no. I ended up being a straigh edge(which means, a kid who doesnt drink, smoke or have sex) i have a terrific (virgin) girlfriend, i was salutatorian of my high school and is about to graduate college and get married. I think that strategy worked pretty well. I'm not saying it should be enforced but i don't think you should make descions on how to raise another persons child, especially since no harm was done.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and when you ask your 5 year old if t hey want candy, they're going to say "yes". Your job as a parant is to know what's good for your kid, and not to give them whatever they want. Any 16 year old male is going to want to see a naked woman. That doesn't mean a trip to the local brothel.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']hey, a good choice would if my kid said no dad i dont want a stripper. My parents asked me if i wanted pron when i was high school. I said no. My parents asked if i wanted to smoke cigarettes i said no. I ended up being a straigh edge(which means, a kid who doesnt drink, smoke or have sex) i have a terrific (virgin) girlfriend, i was salutatorian of my high school and is about to graduate college and get married. I think that strategy worked pretty well. I'm not saying it should be enforced but i don't think you should make descions on how to raise another persons child, especially since no harm was done.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and when you ask your 5 year old if they want candy, they're going to say "yes". Your job as a parant is to know what's good for your kid, and not to give them whatever they want. Any 16 year old male is going to want to see a naked woman. That doesn't mean a trip to the local brothel.
 
evilmax17, true. I agree. But you used the word "good" . Your "good" is different then mine. Not to the extremes but i would let my kid have a stripper if he wanted and i also would have been one the parents that signed a form saying its okay. This all comes down to opinions. I know of a person who took their kid to the bunny ranch when he was 18. Thats legal. If they thought their kid was ready at 18, then thinking a kid is ready 16 sounds about right to me. It's their kid.
 
Someone needs to explain to me why watching a girl dance naked is harmful. The majority of studies I've seen have indicated the pornography has short terms effects (usually in how attractive members of that particular sex are considered), but has not been shown to harmful. Rich posted evidence to the contrary, but it was just one study and there seemed to be an agenda behind it, though at least he posted something (which is more than myself or others are doing). Though it has been connected to more liberal views on sex.

Though if you're saying it can lead to aggression (I don't agree, but I'm not gonna argue it really), that is an argument against pornography as a whole. What is making it harmful to the 16 year old in your mind? Anyone can look at women in small, tight clothing at hooters, this isn't much different. I question the people who bring their whole family in their (husband, wife, 4 year old, 8 year old etc.), but I can't see it as being real harmful (unless negative views of women are expressed by the family and others the kids are around).
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'](unless negative views of women are expressed by the family and others the kids are around).[/QUOTE]

which i think is more harmful than watching a stripper, i think most people who are against me are for this type of behavior. But hey to each his own.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Someone needs to explain to me why watching a girl dance naked is harmful. The majority of studies I've seen have indicated the pornography has short terms effects (usually in how attractive members of that particular sex are considered), but has not been shown to harmful. Rich posted evidence to the contrary, but it was just one study and there seemed to be an agenda behind it, though at least he posted something (which is more than myself or others are doing). Though it has been connected to more liberal views on sex.

Though if you're saying it can lead to aggression (I don't agree, but I'm not gonna argue it really), that is an argument against pornography as a whole. What is making it harmful to the 16 year old in your mind? Anyone can look at women in small, tight clothing at hooters, this isn't much different. I question the people who bring their whole family in their (husband, wife, 4 year old, 8 year old etc.), but I can't see it as being real harmful (unless negative views of women are expressed by the family and others the kids are around).[/QUOTE]

I would argue that pornography is much different and less offensive/damaging than watching a live woman strip in front of you, but for the sake of simplicity, i will answer your first sentence by saying "nothing". The main problem i have with this case is that the mother orchestrated it.

Looking at the issue in an isolated way, I would say that the mother severely violated the parent-child boundary that's supposed to be in place. The parent should be looked at as a guardian/mentor first, and a friend econd (hell, friend should be low on the list until they're much older). When parents do things like this (including hosting keggers for highschool graduations), it stunts the child's social growth. It wouldn't have been a horrible thing for this particular boy to experiment with a girlfriend and see her naked, as that's a normal part of adolesent development. But to have sexuality forced upon by you mother, is pretty messed up (for lack of a better term).

Looking at the issue in the grand sceheme of things, I find it much more troubling that this kid was raised by a person who thinks this sort of behavior is ok. It's not a normal woman who thinks it proper to hire a stripper for her sons's birthday party, and i'm sure that this boy has been though many-a emotional rollercoaster with crazy mama throughout his life. A child needs stability more than anything else in his/her younger years, and this woman doesn't strike me as the stable type. Bottom line, the the thing that's most offensive to me is that she has kids in the first place.

But back to the point: this woman chose to be a "friend" instead of a mom, and I have a real problem with that. I know I'd feel uncomfortable talking about sex with my mom, and i'd be mortified if she hired me a stripper. I wouldn't want the "cool" mom who bought be beer or scored me pot either. It's all about healthy and proper boundaries, and those were broken down with this incident (if not before, as i suspect).
 
"But to have sexuality forced upon by you mother, is pretty messed up (for lack of a better term)."- I'm pretty sure it wasn't forced apon.

"Looking at the issue in the grand sceheme of things, I find it much more troubling that this kid was raised by a person who thinks this sort of behavior is ok."-Men looking at women is wrong? since when?

"stunts the child's social growth"- ha, everyone went to parties where i was, then i went into sales, i'm one of the most social people i know. I didnt drink or smoke pot but my parents did let me buy porn. I'm neither a sexual deviant nor have a stunted social growth problem. Matter of fact those that didnt like hanging out had stunted growth problems.

I think you need to stop judging and have a beer and a lapdance.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']"But to have sexuality forced upon by you mother, is pretty messed up (for lack of a better term)."- I'm pretty sure it wasn't forced apon.[/QUOTE]

I think he's referring to the mother injecting herself into his sex life. Your mom just shouldn't be offering everyone Sunny D and snack packs while Lexus works the pole in front of you.

[quote name='doodle777_98']"Looking at the issue in the grand sceheme of things, I find it much more troubling that this kid was raised by a person who thinks this sort of behavior is ok."-Men looking at women is wrong? since when?[/QUOTE]

Don't you mean BOYS looking at NAKED women dancing is wrong?

[quote name='doodle777_98']"stunts the child's social growth"- ha, everyone went to parties where i was, then i went into sales, i'm one of the most social people i know. I didnt drink or smoke pot but my parents did let me buy porn. I'm neither a sexual deviant nor have a stunted social growth problem. Matter of fact those that didnt like hanging out had stunted growth problems.

I think you need to stop judging and have a beer and a lapdance.[/QUOTE]

You just shouldn't teach your child that they need to look at naked women, get drunk or use drugs to have a good time. Children can't be counted on to make good decisions. We also can't stop them from doing a lot of things behind our backs. That's why the laws punish the adult enablers in these situations and not the kids. I don't think she should go to jail, cause 16 is getting up there in age. But there's no doubt in my mind that these parents have adopted a very crappy 'parenting' style. Like evilmax says, parents are not supposed to be their kid's friends.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']There's no such thing as being "sexually liberated", that's just a bullshit term that people use to make their flaws look better. Would you consider a married couple who swings "sexually liberated"? What if they have kids? Oh, they must just be examples of more-evolved human beings![/quote]

So what if they swing? Is that your business? Does it affect you personally? They're consenting adults and last I checked that wasn't against the law.

[quote name='evilmax17']No. No, no, and...no. Sexual actions like this suggest 2 things (could be both, since they often go hand in hand). Either the mother is an addict (alcohol or otherwise), or she has a history of sexual/physical abuse.[/quote]

Haha, what a perfectly ignorant display. How generalizing. So everyone who swings is automatically deviant. Interesting. So you associate sexual fantasies that are carried out by it recipients to be abnormal instead of a healthy sexual lifestyle. If they're not harming ppl, animals, and children, who are you to decide what they can and can't do?

[quote name='evilmax17']Buying a stripper for your underage son should not be considdered healthy, progressive, or normal. Call it what it is: destructive. As a parent, you're supposed to be looking out for the wellbeing of your children, and making sure they get all necessary care, attention, and discipline that they need in order to develop. Getting a stripper for their birthday party does none of those.

As was said before, white (almost translucent) trash. Somebody start playing the banjo.[/QUOTE]

Sure, looking out for your children is well and good. I'm not refuting that. What I find disturbing is that ppl like you are getting all working up over a sixteen yr old (who's either probably had sex anyway or at the very least found some easily available web pr0n so it wouldn't be anything new to him) who saw a stripper with his friends. Wow, pure evil. Strap them cuffs to the parents. They're deviants all of them. :roll::roll::roll:
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Yeah, and when you ask your 5 year old if they want candy, they're going to say "yes". Your job as a parant is to know what's good for your kid, and not to give them whatever they want. Any 16 year old male is going to want to see a naked woman. That doesn't mean a trip to the local brothel.[/QUOTE]

But it WASN'T a trip to the brothel. You're equating seeing a nude person dancing seductively with actually having sex. This situation is not the same as the mother who left her 2 daughters to have sex w/ strangers.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I would argue that pornography is much different and less offensive/damaging than watching a live woman strip in front of you, but for the sake of simplicity, i will answer your first sentence by saying "nothing". The main problem i have with this case is that the mother orchestrated it.

Looking at the issue in an isolated way, I would say that the mother severely violated the parent-child boundary that's supposed to be in place. The parent should be looked at as a guardian/mentor first, and a friend econd (hell, friend should be low on the list until they're much older). When parents do things like this (including hosting keggers for highschool graduations), it stunts the child's social growth. It wouldn't have been a horrible thing for this particular boy to experiment with a girlfriend and see her naked, as that's a normal part of adolesent development. But to have sexuality forced upon by you mother, is pretty messed up (for lack of a better term).[/quote]

your first and 2nd paragraphs negate each other.

"I would argue that pornography is much different and less offensive/damaging than watching a live woman strip in front of you"

"It wouldn't have been a horrible thing for this particular boy to experiment with a girlfriend and see her naked, as that's a normal part of adolesent development."

What? Never had a girlfriend stripdance for you? Forcing something on someone implies it was against their will. A 16 yr old boy seeing a female naked body is hardly that scenario.


[quote name='evilmax17'] Looking at the issue in the grand sceheme of things, I find it much more troubling that this kid was raised by a person who thinks this sort of behavior is ok. It's not a normal woman who thinks it proper to hire a stripper for her sons's birthday party, and i'm sure that this boy has been though many-a emotional rollercoaster with crazy mama throughout his life. A child needs stability more than anything else in his/her younger years, and this woman doesn't strike me as the stable type. Bottom line, the the thing that's most offensive to me is that she has kids in the first place.[/quote]

You don't know this person on a personal level do you? So how can you cast judgment on his familial upbringing? Supposition is one thing and fact is another. Do you have facts verifying he is indeed from a broken home. Show me and I'll concede. I think you need to read the last line again. It's most offensive to you. Tell me, are you the be all, end all authority on what should and shouldn't be? Sorry you don't speak for me.

[quote name='evilmax17']But back to the point: this woman chose to be a "friend" instead of a mom, and I have a real problem with that. I know I'd feel uncomfortable talking about sex with my mom, and i'd be mortified if she hired me a stripper. I wouldn't want the "cool" mom who bought be beer or scored me pot either. It's all about healthy and proper boundaries, and those were broken down with this incident (if not before, as i suspect).[/QUOTE]

Why do you feel uncomfortable talking about sex with your mom? According to you, she's supposed to be looking out for your well being and so forth, correct? This should be another thing that she could give you advice on. Why do you think a lot of kids have sex and/or do things they shouldn't? Because their parents aren't there for them or they don't communicate with them.
 
[quote name='atreyue']I think he's referring to the mother injecting herself into his sex life. Your mom just shouldn't be offering everyone Sunny D and snack packs while Lexus works the pole in front of you.



Don't you mean BOYS looking at NAKED women dancing is wrong?



You just shouldn't teach your child that they need to look at naked women, get drunk or use drugs to have a good time. Children can't be counted on to make good decisions. We also can't stop them from doing a lot of things behind our backs. That's why the laws punish the adult enablers in these situations and not the kids. I don't think she should go to jail, cause 16 is getting up there in age. But there's no doubt in my mind that these parents have adopted a very crappy 'parenting' style. Like evilmax says, parents are not supposed to be their kid's friends.[/QUOTE]

I think you missed the age group here. 16 yr olds are hardly the group you offer sunny D and snack packs. That's the realm of 3rd graders. Anyway, how are her kids being taught they need to look at naked women? It's not a necessity. In this case, the purpose is entertainment. While I agree that children can't be counted to make good decisions, the decision in this case wasn't a childs - it was a parent's. At the very least, this was an adult-supervised party meaning there was a chaperone on site to watch out for any misdoing. If no one was hurt or injured, I don't see what's wrong w/ seeing some t&a.
 
LOL - this is just like the Janet Jackson scandal - young kids scarred for life - the grotesque and disfigured naked female breast exposed - one full nipple... the horror... THE HORROR
 
Oh good god, you mean to tell me that this is what my tax dollars are going towards....

(here comes my 2 cents)

Okay, all the parents were okay with it. Its not like as if the mother was letting them have sex with the strippers or anything. Nobody got hurt. What the fuck is the problem them? I can totally understand going after the mother who let her daugher and her daugher's friend have sex with the guys.. but this? Geez, its not like as if anyone by the age of 16 hadn't seen boobies....
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']i have a terrific (virgin) girlfriend[/QUOTE]

Now I get it, you are sexually frustrated and believe that free sex for your children will make them happy where you were not.
 
[quote name='demomanTNA'] Geez, its not like as if anyone by the age of 16 hadn't seen boobies....[/QUOTE]

Not many have seen a vagina being paraded in front of them, and most 16 year old boys don't know what a clitoris is.
 
America is uptight about nudity, but she broke the law.

You can't buy porn until you are 18, yet that is exactly what she did except in real life form.

Wow, the people here get fucking dumber by the day.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Not many have seen a vagina being paraded in front of them, and most 16 year old boys don't know what a clitoris is.[/QUOTE]

You must have had a very sheltered existence, were you brought up in a catholic boarding school during the 1930's?
 
[quote name='David85']America is uptight about nudity, but she broke the law.

You can't buy porn until you are 18, yet that is exactly what she did except in real life form.

Wow, the people here get fucking dumber by the day.[/QUOTE]

Sodomy is against the law in many states too. Better watch out man, they're coming for you next.
 
[quote name='camoor']You must have had a very sheltered existence, were you brought up in a catholic boarding school during the 1930's?[/QUOTE]

FYI, it is not normal to celebrate your coming of age by contracting syphilis at 13.

That's just you.
 
US is too uptight about nudity, and you guys gotta realize....most of us here are geeks.....but I grew up in Orlando, Florida and the going age for sex there is 14.

I got layed on my 14th birthday, and at 16...this would of been old news.

People grow up at different lengths, and whats ok for one is bad for another. 18 is a set age because its set for the lowest common denominator.

This kid is fucking 16 guys, if he hasnt seen what a naked woman looks like at 16 (on paper or in a video) - this kid has some hard times ahead of him.

But yes, she DID break the law and should be punished for it....but even though it may be "White Trash"...she felt it was ok, and with that I dont believe that it was morally wrong.

Remember, no less than 150-200 years ago we were marrying our 14 year old daughters to 18 year old men for land or money reasons.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Not many have seen a vagina being paraded in front of them, and most 16 year old boys don't know what a clitoris is.[/QUOTE]

Where the fuck were you brought up?

Also, I know some truckers who dont know what a clitoris is either....but I dont think they ask that for entry to cafe Risque..
 
[quote name='David85']It's just like if she bought him beer for his 18th birthday and goes drunk driving and killed someone, it would be her fault.[/QUOTE]

But she didnt by him alcohol and no one died....shit no one even got hurt... (Maybe a "muff-burn")

Comparing a 16 year old, who only in this century is not considered a "Man", seeing some pussy...to a Wasted 16 year old who hits a bus full of nuns killing them all in a flaming ball of fire off a cliff....is just a little different.

She deserves to be in jail, because she broke the law. But I really dont think she was morally wrong....a little creepy...(I wouldnt let my mom do that) - but not really morally wrong.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']I think you missed the age group here. 16 yr olds are hardly the group you offer sunny D and snack packs. That's the realm of 3rd graders. Anyway, how are her kids being taught they need to look at naked women? It's not a necessity. In this case, the purpose is entertainment.[/QUOTE]

A post was made earlier that suggested that this behavior was all part of 'hanging out' and that most all well-adjusted kids hung out.
ha, everyone went to parties where i was, then i went into sales, i'm one of the most social people i know. I didnt drink or smoke pot but my parents did let me buy porn. I'm neither a sexual deviant nor have a stunted social growth problem. Matter of fact those that didnt like hanging out had stunted growth problems.
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[quote name='jaykrue']While I agree that children can't be counted to make good decisions, the decision in this case wasn't a childs - it was a parent's. At the very least, this was an adult-supervised party meaning there was a chaperone on site to watch out for any misdoing. If no one was hurt or injured, I don't see what's wrong w/ seeing some t&a.[/QUOTE]

My issue is that I don't think it was a good decision. I fully expect kids to make bad decisions, but parents have a job to do. At the very least, teaching their children proper respect for the law is part of that job. I'd have exactly the same problems with an adult-supervised party featuring alcohol as part of the entertainment. What kid is going to respect the difference between having and not having supervision?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']
Remember, no less than 150-200 years ago we were marrying our 14 year old daughters to 18 year old men for land or money reasons.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the men tended to be anywhere from 20-45.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Actually, the men tended to be anywhere from 20-45.[/QUOTE]

I was actually thinking more in that rhelm...but I didnt want people telling me "bullshit!" and "prove it!" cause I just didnt really care that much....


So yeaaaah....what Kayden said!
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Not many have seen a vagina being paraded in front of them, and most 16 year old boys don't know what a clitoris is.[/QUOTE]

Okay Fox Mulder... you got a point. :applause:
 
The kid can't buy porn until he is 18 yet he is legally allowed to see someone his own age naked. You are also legally allowed to show sex ed vids in some schools (with nudity) to 16 year old students in high school (that is when I saw them). It doesn't make sense but this is America after all.
 
Of course its a gainst the law, why else did they arrest her. We are discussing if we beileve it is right or not. State an opinion and discuss.
 
[quote name='doodle777_98']Of course its a gainst the law, why else did they arrest her. We are discussing if we beileve it is right or not. State an opinion and discuss.[/QUOTE]

So basically you know you're wrong.
 
well i know i'm in the "wrong". Wrong as in government's wrong. but i thinks she shouldnt get arrested. Some parents never teach their kids about the female bodies, some thing i think a parent should be responsible for. What better way to encourage if you ask me.
 
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