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Wow things are going exactly as planned in the series. Glad I am not watching it. You know what the Cs are getting their ass kicked? Because the EAST is the biggest joke in all of sports. When half of the play off bound teams are either at .500 or have a losing record its easy to coast through to the finals only having to beat 1 or 2 other good teams.
The lakers even though I hate them at least have to battle every game to get to where they are. There are very few teams in the West that you can sleep on for a 7 game series. (for the love of god change this back to the 3-5-7 format)
Now, I will comment on the flops. Lets take out people whos only role in the game is to pick up fouls for the other team (Davis is one of these guys) because frankly thats their job.
Paul Perice has got to be one of the worst actors in the league. The guy is always down on the ground for 2 min plus, he is the master of the pussy pump fake and then flail your body into the defender. Although I respect his toughness and his ability to lead his team I hate watching him play. I put him in the same boat as pussy ass bitch master Manu Ginflopi.
Also, Paul Gasol is not just good because of his height. He was a borderline superstar his entire career in Memphis, the only thing that is different is he has a team around him that doesnt completely suck.
Stern needs to get off his ass and look at what his league has become and understand that some big changes are needed to get the NBA competitive.
The lakers even though I hate them at least have to battle every game to get to where they are. There are very few teams in the West that you can sleep on for a 7 game series. (for the love of god change this back to the 3-5-7 format)
Now, I will comment on the flops. Lets take out people whos only role in the game is to pick up fouls for the other team (Davis is one of these guys) because frankly thats their job.
Paul Perice has got to be one of the worst actors in the league. The guy is always down on the ground for 2 min plus, he is the master of the pussy pump fake and then flail your body into the defender. Although I respect his toughness and his ability to lead his team I hate watching him play. I put him in the same boat as pussy ass bitch master Manu Ginflopi.
Also, Paul Gasol is not just good because of his height. He was a borderline superstar his entire career in Memphis, the only thing that is different is he has a team around him that doesnt completely suck.
Stern needs to get off his ass and look at what his league has become and understand that some big changes are needed to get the NBA competitive.
[quote name='wildcpac']Rumors are that Thib is going to take the Bulls head coaching job.
Other rumors are that the Nets rejected a Michael Beasley for Kenyon Dooling trade. Heat are trying to ship off Beasley and his close to 5 million deal to cut more payroll.[/QUOTE]
i get a feeling Rivers is retiring so i think thib might be getting the Celtics job
Other rumors are that the Nets rejected a Michael Beasley for Kenyon Dooling trade. Heat are trying to ship off Beasley and his close to 5 million deal to cut more payroll.[/QUOTE]
i get a feeling Rivers is retiring so i think thib might be getting the Celtics job
[quote name='Soodmeg']Wow things are going exactly as planned in the series. Glad I am not watching it. You know what the Cs are getting their ass kicked? Because the EAST is the biggest joke in all of sports. When half of the play off bound teams are either at .500 or have a losing record its easy to coast through to the finals only having to beat 1 or 2 other good teams.[/QUOTE]
Thats why the Celtics had to knock off D-Wade, LeBron, and Howard, right?
The Lakers went through Hijack City, Utah, and Phoenix. I'd say only Phoenix is on a par with Cleveland and Orlando, who both had more wins than the Lakers. Utah didn't even really have Kirilenko.
Thats why the Celtics had to knock off D-Wade, LeBron, and Howard, right?
The Lakers went through Hijack City, Utah, and Phoenix. I'd say only Phoenix is on a par with Cleveland and Orlando, who both had more wins than the Lakers. Utah didn't even really have Kirilenko.
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[quote name='Soodmeg'] You know what the Cs are getting their ass kicked? Because the EAST is the biggest joke in all of sports. When half of the play off bound teams are either at .500 or have a losing record its easy to coast through to the finals only having to beat 1 or 2 other good teams.
The lakers even though I hate them at least have to battle every game to get to where they are. There are very few teams in the West that you can sleep on for a 7 game series. (for the love of god change this back to the 3-5-7 format)[/QUOTE]
I've been watchin bball for 20 years and I've come to the conclusion that the West is not better than the East...they are just more dominant within their own conference.
And when was there a 3-5-7 format?
The lakers even though I hate them at least have to battle every game to get to where they are. There are very few teams in the West that you can sleep on for a 7 game series. (for the love of god change this back to the 3-5-7 format)[/QUOTE]
I've been watchin bball for 20 years and I've come to the conclusion that the West is not better than the East...they are just more dominant within their own conference.
And when was there a 3-5-7 format?
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Whoops, I dont know why I put in 3-5-7 its was 5-7-7. My mistake on that. As for the other thing, there is no way in hell that is right hobo and you must not have been watching that close to think that.
4 Teams in the EAST this year have 50 or more wins.
8 Teams in the West have 50 or more wins.
Hell look at the god damn Win % of each play off team.
The 5,6,7,8 seeded East teams are all under 60% where as the 8th seeded Thunder are at 61%
The Bulls are at .500.
Last year, the 8th seeded Pistons had a 39-43 record. 3 of the 8 Eastern Teams were either at .500 or below and still made the play offs. Not a single West team had a loosing record.
07-08 The 8th seeded Nuggets won 50 games where as the 6,7,8, seeded eastern teams where either at .500 or below.
Do you want me to keep going? The last 3 Eastern teams are consistently either at .500 or below. That is
ing pathetic, that you dont even have to win half of your games and you are still battling for a 6th seed for crying out loud.
@Dafoomie.
Come on play boy. Dont kid a kidder. The Miami D-Wades? That wasnt even a contest. Do you really want brownie points for stopping a team that has 1 superstar and bench warmers? And then you beat the Cavs which is the exact same team. You get no credit for beating the Cavs or the Heat those. We all knew the supporting cast of Bron and Wade wasnt going to show in the play offs.
You do get credit for the Magic though. (Like I already said...one good series, 2 at the max)
EDIT: Just to prove my point more lets rewind the clock to 2006 when bill simmons called the East the worst conference in history.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061129 and it hasnt got any better.
4 Teams in the EAST this year have 50 or more wins.
8 Teams in the West have 50 or more wins.
Hell look at the god damn Win % of each play off team.
The 5,6,7,8 seeded East teams are all under 60% where as the 8th seeded Thunder are at 61%
The Bulls are at .500.
Last year, the 8th seeded Pistons had a 39-43 record. 3 of the 8 Eastern Teams were either at .500 or below and still made the play offs. Not a single West team had a loosing record.
07-08 The 8th seeded Nuggets won 50 games where as the 6,7,8, seeded eastern teams where either at .500 or below.
Do you want me to keep going? The last 3 Eastern teams are consistently either at .500 or below. That is
ing pathetic, that you dont even have to win half of your games and you are still battling for a 6th seed for crying out loud. @Dafoomie.
Come on play boy. Dont kid a kidder. The Miami D-Wades? That wasnt even a contest. Do you really want brownie points for stopping a team that has 1 superstar and bench warmers? And then you beat the Cavs which is the exact same team. You get no credit for beating the Cavs or the Heat those. We all knew the supporting cast of Bron and Wade wasnt going to show in the play offs.
You do get credit for the Magic though. (Like I already said...one good series, 2 at the max)
EDIT: Just to prove my point more lets rewind the clock to 2006 when bill simmons called the East the worst conference in history.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061129 and it hasnt got any better.
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[quote name='Soodmeg']
EDIT: Just to prove my point more lets rewind the clock to 2006 when bill simmons called the East the worst conference in history.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061129 and it hasnt got any better.[/QUOTE]
He also said Adam Morrison was "a delightful draft pick" :lol:
Edit: After reading through that article, it's interesting how Doc Rivers was on the hot seat and derided for being a bad coach just a few years ago. Add a couple HOFers, and he becomes a great coach. Amazing how that works (though I do believe he's a very good coach).
EDIT: Just to prove my point more lets rewind the clock to 2006 when bill simmons called the East the worst conference in history.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061129 and it hasnt got any better.[/QUOTE]
He also said Adam Morrison was "a delightful draft pick" :lol:
Edit: After reading through that article, it's interesting how Doc Rivers was on the hot seat and derided for being a bad coach just a few years ago. Add a couple HOFers, and he becomes a great coach. Amazing how that works (though I do believe he's a very good coach).
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[quote name='BigSpoonyBard']
Edit: After reading through that article, it's interesting how Doc Rivers was on the hot seat and derided for being a bad coach just a few years ago. Add a couple HOFers, and he becomes a great coach. Amazing how that works (though I do believe he's a very good coach).[/QUOTE]
I have always thought Doc was a great coach. It was a shame to see him let go in Orlando.
Edit: After reading through that article, it's interesting how Doc Rivers was on the hot seat and derided for being a bad coach just a few years ago. Add a couple HOFers, and he becomes a great coach. Amazing how that works (though I do believe he's a very good coach).[/QUOTE]
I have always thought Doc was a great coach. It was a shame to see him let go in Orlando.
am i the only one more excited about free agency then this years finals.
teams i expect to be big winners in free agency:
cleveland(i only put them here becuase i expect them to resign lebron and do a sign and trade to net another big name. lebron+bosh=dynasty)
miami(will resign wade and end up with either bosh or amare)
thunder: they wont sign a max player but could make a run at a decent SG, maybe ray allen?!?!
free agency losers:
new york knicks( i dont care if they play in NYC, that team is shit, also they have a joke of a head coach in dantoni)
nets(same as knicks)
teams i expect to be big winners in free agency:
cleveland(i only put them here becuase i expect them to resign lebron and do a sign and trade to net another big name. lebron+bosh=dynasty)
miami(will resign wade and end up with either bosh or amare)
thunder: they wont sign a max player but could make a run at a decent SG, maybe ray allen?!?!
free agency losers:
new york knicks( i dont care if they play in NYC, that team is shit, also they have a joke of a head coach in dantoni)
nets(same as knicks)
[quote name='wwe101']am i the only one more excited about free agency then this years finals.
teams i expect to be big winners in free agency:
cleveland(i only put them here becuase i expect them to resign lebron and do a sign and trade to net another big name. lebron+bosh=dynasty)
miami(will resign wade and end up with either bosh or amare)
thunder: they wont sign a max player but could make a run at a decent SG, maybe ray allen?!?!
free agency losers:
new york knicks( i dont care if they play in NYC, that team is shit, also they have a joke of a head coach in dantoni)
nets(same as knicks)[/QUOTE]
You are just further proving yourself as a troll.
1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
2. Knicks are shit? The team without a star player won 30 games last year. Gallinari is a star in the making. Chandler, Douglas, Walker and Earl Barron are all decent role players on a competitive team. Knicks have the cap room to sign two max free agents. They also have Eddy Curry's expiring 11 million 2011 deal. That is a pretty valuable trade chip to use for a team that is looking to get under the 2012 cap or even further under.
3. Coach Pringles is a joke? Is that why his system in Phoenix went to the WCF and almost beat the Lakers? Suns in 2005 could/would/should have won the NBA Title if Joe Johnson didn't get injured. Suns in 2007 goted over hard by the Refs in the semi finals. Coach Pringles sure is a joke.
4. Nets are shit? Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rbg). Devin Harris, #3 pick in the draft and they are 30 million plus under the cap already.
teams i expect to be big winners in free agency:
cleveland(i only put them here becuase i expect them to resign lebron and do a sign and trade to net another big name. lebron+bosh=dynasty)
miami(will resign wade and end up with either bosh or amare)
thunder: they wont sign a max player but could make a run at a decent SG, maybe ray allen?!?!
free agency losers:
new york knicks( i dont care if they play in NYC, that team is shit, also they have a joke of a head coach in dantoni)
nets(same as knicks)[/QUOTE]
You are just further proving yourself as a troll.
1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
2. Knicks are shit? The team without a star player won 30 games last year. Gallinari is a star in the making. Chandler, Douglas, Walker and Earl Barron are all decent role players on a competitive team. Knicks have the cap room to sign two max free agents. They also have Eddy Curry's expiring 11 million 2011 deal. That is a pretty valuable trade chip to use for a team that is looking to get under the 2012 cap or even further under.
3. Coach Pringles is a joke? Is that why his system in Phoenix went to the WCF and almost beat the Lakers? Suns in 2005 could/would/should have won the NBA Title if Joe Johnson didn't get injured. Suns in 2007 got
ed over hard by the Refs in the semi finals. Coach Pringles sure is a joke. 4. Nets are shit? Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rbg). Devin Harris, #3 pick in the draft and they are 30 million plus under the cap already.
Do you watch or follow basketball? As in the NBA?
Sorry but the Nets ARE SHIT. They won a whopping 12 games last year, a team well on their way to becoming a powerhouse. That thirty million of cap room didn't help them win any games either! Devin Harris the #3 pick? So what if he was picked third, he just played on a team that was one of the worst in NBA HISTORY! Michael Olowokandi was the #1 pick so I guess that makes him not shit as well as the Clippers.
Until the Nets sign someone I fail to see how they aren't shit. The Knicks aren't that great either.
[quote name='FrankySox']Devin Harris the #3 pick? So what if he was picked third, he just played on a team that was one of the worst in NBA HISTORY! Michael Olowokandi was the #1 pick so I guess that makes him not shit as well as the Clippers.[/QUOTE]He was trying to say that the Nets have a good player in Devin Harris plus the #3 pick in this year's draft.
[quote name='FrankySox']Do you watch or follow basketball? As in the NBA?
Sorry but the Nets ARE SHIT. They won a whopping 12 games last year, a team well on their way to becoming a powerhouse. That thirty million of cap room didn't help them win any games either! Devin Harris the #3 pick? So what if he was picked third, he just played on a team that was one of the worst in NBA HISTORY! Michael Olowokandi was the #1 pick so I guess that makes him not shit as well as the Clippers.
Until the Nets sign someone I fail to see how they aren't shit. The Knicks aren't that great either.[/QUOTE]
Yes I follow the NBA. Do you follow the NBA? I never called Devin Harris the # 3 pick, I was saying that the Nets have the #3 pick this draft and Devin Harris. Learn how to read. The Nets didn't have the 30 million in cap room in 2009-2010 because they have in 2010-2011 which is pretty close to become the current season. Nets have a young top 5 center in Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rpg) who is still young, Devin Harris who is above average and young, the #3 pick and are 30 million under the cap room for next year. And yes they are on their way to becoming a powerhouse. They have a new arena opening up in Brooklyn in the next 2 years, one of the worlds wealthiest men as the new owner who is committed to winning, Jay Z as a partial owner. Nets also only have less than 10 million in contracts following 2011 and into 2015.
Ton of cap room, couple of good young players, wealthy owner, A List partial owner, new Arena in Brooklyn going forward. Yup, that franchise sure ised going forward.
Knicks have been lousy from 2001-2010. That is the past. The Present is in a couple of weeks is going to have a Knicks team playing in the best city in the World, cap room to sign 2 max free agents, Eddy Curry's expiring 2011 11 million dollar deal as a trade chip, Gallinari, Douglas, Chandler and Walker as the role players.
Knicks and Nets won a combined 40 games or so last year. That number is going to improve to 80 at the very worst for the 2011 season.
Sorry but the Nets ARE SHIT. They won a whopping 12 games last year, a team well on their way to becoming a powerhouse. That thirty million of cap room didn't help them win any games either! Devin Harris the #3 pick? So what if he was picked third, he just played on a team that was one of the worst in NBA HISTORY! Michael Olowokandi was the #1 pick so I guess that makes him not shit as well as the Clippers.
Until the Nets sign someone I fail to see how they aren't shit. The Knicks aren't that great either.[/QUOTE]
Yes I follow the NBA. Do you follow the NBA? I never called Devin Harris the # 3 pick, I was saying that the Nets have the #3 pick this draft and Devin Harris. Learn how to read. The Nets didn't have the 30 million in cap room in 2009-2010 because they have in 2010-2011 which is pretty close to become the current season. Nets have a young top 5 center in Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rpg) who is still young, Devin Harris who is above average and young, the #3 pick and are 30 million under the cap room for next year. And yes they are on their way to becoming a powerhouse. They have a new arena opening up in Brooklyn in the next 2 years, one of the worlds wealthiest men as the new owner who is committed to winning, Jay Z as a partial owner. Nets also only have less than 10 million in contracts following 2011 and into 2015.
Ton of cap room, couple of good young players, wealthy owner, A List partial owner, new Arena in Brooklyn going forward. Yup, that franchise sure is
ed going forward.Knicks have been lousy from 2001-2010. That is the past. The Present is in a couple of weeks is going to have a Knicks team playing in the best city in the World, cap room to sign 2 max free agents, Eddy Curry's expiring 2011 11 million dollar deal as a trade chip, Gallinari, Douglas, Chandler and Walker as the role players.
Knicks and Nets won a combined 40 games or so last year. That number is going to improve to 80 at the very worst for the 2011 season.
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1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
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Take back Turkoglu? He was never a Cav. All joking aside... I agree there is no way the Cavs can sign anyone but Lebron. They could shave Shaqs contract which would open room for a good signing.
The cap room is like a double edge sword. Half the team are free agents including Chris Duhon (9 million), Al Harrington (10 million), and of course their star David Lee (obviously will get a Max Contract wherever he goes). Remember they need to resign players too.
I personally hope to see the Knicks try so hard for Lebron that they forget about Lee walking out the door and watch the Knicks crumble even harder.
I personally think the big winner this offseason will be Miami. I have a feeling they will end up with Wade and Bosh... and make a good trades.
1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
[/QUOTE]
Take back Turkoglu? He was never a Cav. All joking aside... I agree there is no way the Cavs can sign anyone but Lebron. They could shave Shaqs contract which would open room for a good signing.
Gallinari is just a shooter. Chandler is streaky. Barron... are you serious
The cap room is like a double edge sword. Half the team are free agents including Chris Duhon (9 million), Al Harrington (10 million), and of course their star David Lee (obviously will get a Max Contract wherever he goes). Remember they need to resign players too.
I personally hope to see the Knicks try so hard for Lebron that they forget about Lee walking out the door and watch the Knicks crumble even harder.
Actually he is a joke. His system was all about Live by the 3 and Die by the 3. He didn't emphasize defense and they got blown out each year in the WCF.3. Coach Pringles is a joke? Is that why his system in Phoenix went to the WCF and almost beat the Lakers? Suns in 2005 could/would/should have won the NBA Title if Joe Johnson didn't get injured. Suns in 2007 got
They are. Even when the Nets had Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and K-Mart. They still sucked. Why? Coaching and Bad Management. #3 pick doesn't guarantee someone will be good. PS Delvin Harris... Overrated.
I personally think the big winner this offseason will be Miami. I have a feeling they will end up with Wade and Bosh... and make a good trades.
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Gasol is a big flopping goofball who is only good because of his height. Big deal he can hit a mini hook shot 4 feet from the basket. Like that is something to be impressed by.[/QUOTE]
In his time at Memphis he went from a good young low-post scorer to probably the best low-post scorer in the league. If the Grizz ever needed a bucket, they dumped it down to him and he scored plain and simple.
Flopping equals itself out in this series anyway.
Gasol is a big flopping goofball who is only good because of his height. Big deal he can hit a mini hook shot 4 feet from the basket. Like that is something to be impressed by.[/QUOTE]
In his time at Memphis he went from a good young low-post scorer to probably the best low-post scorer in the league. If the Grizz ever needed a bucket, they dumped it down to him and he scored plain and simple.
Flopping equals itself out in this series anyway.
[quote name='lordopus99']Take back Turkoglu? He was never a Cav. All joking aside... I agree there is no way the Cavs can sign anyone but Lebron. They could shave Shaqs contract which would open room for a good signing.
Gallinari is just a shooter. Chandler is streaky. Barron... are you serious
The cap room is like a double edge sword. Half the team are free agents including Chris Duhon (9 million), Al Harrington (10 million), and of course their star David Lee (obviously will get a Max Contract wherever he goes). Remember they need to resign players too.
I personally hope to see the Knicks try so hard for Lebron that they forget about Lee walking out the door and watch the Knicks crumble even harder.
Actually he is a joke. His system was all about Live by the 3 and Die by the 3. He didn't emphasize defense and they got blown out each year in the WCF.
They are. Even when the Nets had Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and K-Mart. They still sucked. Why? Coaching and Bad Management. #3 pick doesn't guarantee someone will be good. PS Delvin Harris... Overrated.
I personally think the big winner this offseason will be Miami. I have a feeling they will end up with Wade and Bosh... and make a good trades.[/QUOTE]
Gallinari is not even 22 and looks promising. Chandler, Walker, Douglas look like decent young role players. Barron averaged a double double in limited duty with the Knicks. Harrington and Duhon are losers.
Guy was a Joe Johnson injury away from the NBA Finals against the Pistons. Flip a coin in 2005. Suns in 2007 got screwed over by the Refs. Coach Pringles system almost beat the Lakers in the 2010 WCF. I guess winning a couple of playoff rounds every year is a joke.
Nets with Kidd/Jefferson and KMart sucked? Wow. I forgot about the Nets who went to back to back NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. I forgot that the Nets almost beat the 2004 Champs Pistons in the second round. We all know the Nets would have beaten the Pacers in the ECF. That Nets core was a hair away from 3 straight NBA Finals. Pistons had to have a Chauncey Billups half court buzzer beater to beat the Nets.
PS, Who is Delvin Harris? Is that Devin's twin inferior bother who couldn't cut it?
You sure do know your basketball PLAYA.
Gallinari is just a shooter. Chandler is streaky. Barron... are you serious
The cap room is like a double edge sword. Half the team are free agents including Chris Duhon (9 million), Al Harrington (10 million), and of course their star David Lee (obviously will get a Max Contract wherever he goes). Remember they need to resign players too.
I personally hope to see the Knicks try so hard for Lebron that they forget about Lee walking out the door and watch the Knicks crumble even harder.
Actually he is a joke. His system was all about Live by the 3 and Die by the 3. He didn't emphasize defense and they got blown out each year in the WCF.
They are. Even when the Nets had Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and K-Mart. They still sucked. Why? Coaching and Bad Management. #3 pick doesn't guarantee someone will be good. PS Delvin Harris... Overrated.
I personally think the big winner this offseason will be Miami. I have a feeling they will end up with Wade and Bosh... and make a good trades.[/QUOTE]
Gallinari is not even 22 and looks promising. Chandler, Walker, Douglas look like decent young role players. Barron averaged a double double in limited duty with the Knicks. Harrington and Duhon are losers.
Guy was a Joe Johnson injury away from the NBA Finals against the Pistons. Flip a coin in 2005. Suns in 2007 got screwed over by the Refs. Coach Pringles system almost beat the Lakers in the 2010 WCF. I guess winning a couple of playoff rounds every year is a joke.
Nets with Kidd/Jefferson and KMart sucked? Wow. I forgot about the Nets who went to back to back NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. I forgot that the Nets almost beat the 2004 Champs Pistons in the second round. We all know the Nets would have beaten the Pacers in the ECF. That Nets core was a hair away from 3 straight NBA Finals. Pistons had to have a Chauncey Billups half court buzzer beater to beat the Nets.
PS, Who is Delvin Harris? Is that Devin's twin inferior bother who couldn't cut it?
You sure do know your basketball PLAYA.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Gallinari is not even 22 and looks promising. Chandler, Walker, Douglas look like decent young role players. Barron averaged a double double in limited duty with the Knicks. Harrington and Duhon are losers.
Guy was a Joe Johnson injury away from the NBA Finals against the Pistons. Flip a coin in 2005. Suns in 2007 got screwed over by the Refs. Coach Pringles system almost beat the Lakers in the 2010 WCF. I guess winning a couple of playoff rounds every year is a joke.
Nets with Kidd/Jefferson and KMart sucked? Wow. I forgot about the Nets who went to back to back NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. I forgot that the Nets almost beat the 2004 Champs Pistons in the second round. We all know the Nets would have beaten the Pacers in the ECF. That Nets core was a hair away from 3 straight NBA Finals. Pistons had to have a Chauncey Billups half court buzzer beater to beat the Nets.
PS, Who is Delvin Harris? Is that Devin's twin inferior bother who couldn't cut it?
You sure do know your basketball PLAYA.[/QUOTE]
Knicks look decent for next year, but they do have a bunch of guys who are terrible signed to long contracts. I'm on the side that Devin Harris is a bit overrated though, they MIGHT be a little better this year, but I wouldn't expect more then 30 wins from them if they're lucky.
Guy was a Joe Johnson injury away from the NBA Finals against the Pistons. Flip a coin in 2005. Suns in 2007 got screwed over by the Refs. Coach Pringles system almost beat the Lakers in the 2010 WCF. I guess winning a couple of playoff rounds every year is a joke.
Nets with Kidd/Jefferson and KMart sucked? Wow. I forgot about the Nets who went to back to back NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. I forgot that the Nets almost beat the 2004 Champs Pistons in the second round. We all know the Nets would have beaten the Pacers in the ECF. That Nets core was a hair away from 3 straight NBA Finals. Pistons had to have a Chauncey Billups half court buzzer beater to beat the Nets.
PS, Who is Delvin Harris? Is that Devin's twin inferior bother who couldn't cut it?
You sure do know your basketball PLAYA.[/QUOTE]
Knicks look decent for next year, but they do have a bunch of guys who are terrible signed to long contracts. I'm on the side that Devin Harris is a bit overrated though, they MIGHT be a little better this year, but I wouldn't expect more then 30 wins from them if they're lucky.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Gallinari is not even 22 and looks promising. Chandler, Walker, Douglas look like decent young role players. Barron averaged a double double in limited duty with the Knicks. Harrington and Duhon are losers.
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Harrington - 17.7pts (43%), 5.9 boards as a backup... yea sounds real terrible... reminder he is the second leading scorer on the team behind David Lee. I'll give you Duhon. The reason I brought them up is their contracts are high. You let them walk, you need to replace them.
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Harrington - 17.7pts (43%), 5.9 boards as a backup... yea sounds real terrible... reminder he is the second leading scorer on the team behind David Lee. I'll give you Duhon. The reason I brought them up is their contracts are high. You let them walk, you need to replace them.
[quote name='docvinh']Knicks look decent for next year, but they do have a bunch of guys who are terrible signed to long contracts. I'm on the side that Devin Harris is a bit overrated though, they MIGHT be a little better this year, but I wouldn't expect more then 30 wins from them if they're lucky.[/QUOTE]
Who do the Knicks have signed to long term deals that are bad contracts? Knicks have 18 million guaranteed deals for 2011. Thats 11 million for Curry whose contract expires in 2011. The rest are for Chandler, Douglas, Gallinari and Walker. Knicks have zero guaranteed contracts for after 2011. 2011 onward right now is all team options on the kids.
Nets starting 5 has the potential to be Harris, #3 Pick, Lopez, a max free agent and a close to max free agent. I do not think the Nets are going to get the pick of the crop for the free agents but they should get 1 pretty good player and 1 well above average player. That should easily put them at .500 for the season.
Who do the Knicks have signed to long term deals that are bad contracts? Knicks have 18 million guaranteed deals for 2011. Thats 11 million for Curry whose contract expires in 2011. The rest are for Chandler, Douglas, Gallinari and Walker. Knicks have zero guaranteed contracts for after 2011. 2011 onward right now is all team options on the kids.
Nets starting 5 has the potential to be Harris, #3 Pick, Lopez, a max free agent and a close to max free agent. I do not think the Nets are going to get the pick of the crop for the free agents but they should get 1 pretty good player and 1 well above average player. That should easily put them at .500 for the season.
[quote name='lordopus99']Harrington - 17.7pts (43%), 5.9 boards as a backup... yea sounds real terrible... reminder he is the second leading scorer on the team behind David Lee. I'll give you Duhon. The reason I brought them up is their contracts are high. You let them walk, you need to replace them.[/QUOTE]
Al Harrington also averaged 31 minutes a night and 14 shots a game. Guy played 75 percent of the game. I really have no problems with Lee, Harrington, Duhon walking. They were the highest paid players on a team that has averaged 30 wins the past couple of seasons. Knicks cant win with them well they can go on and cant win without them. Lee will hurt the most because he can score quick easy points and rebounds. Not too much defense but it's slightly improving. Guy is also working like crazy on his game.
Please do tell me, how were the Nets with Jefferson, Kidd and KMart a joke? I am still waiting. I would love to hear how a franchise that was a half court buzzer beater by Chauncey Billups away from going to 3 straight NBA Finals was a joke. 25 out of 30 teams in the NBA in the past 30 years would sign up with the Devil for that level of success. Nets lost to Hall of Famers in Kobe/Shaq and Duncan/Robinson in the Finals. Have nothing to be ashamed about.
Al Harrington also averaged 31 minutes a night and 14 shots a game. Guy played 75 percent of the game. I really have no problems with Lee, Harrington, Duhon walking. They were the highest paid players on a team that has averaged 30 wins the past couple of seasons. Knicks cant win with them well they can go on and cant win without them. Lee will hurt the most because he can score quick easy points and rebounds. Not too much defense but it's slightly improving. Guy is also working like crazy on his game.
Please do tell me, how were the Nets with Jefferson, Kidd and KMart a joke? I am still waiting. I would love to hear how a franchise that was a half court buzzer beater by Chauncey Billups away from going to 3 straight NBA Finals was a joke. 25 out of 30 teams in the NBA in the past 30 years would sign up with the Devil for that level of success. Nets lost to Hall of Famers in Kobe/Shaq and Duncan/Robinson in the Finals. Have nothing to be ashamed about.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Who do the Knicks have signed to long term deals that are bad contracts? Knicks have 18 million guaranteed deals for 2011. Thats 11 million for Curry whose contract expires in 2011. The rest are for Chandler, Douglas, Gallinari and Walker. Knicks have zero guaranteed contracts for after 2011. 2011 onward right now is all team options on the kids.
Nets starting 5 has the potential to be Harris, #3 Pick, Lopez, a max free agent and a close to max free agent. I do not think the Nets are going to get the pick of the crop for the free agents but they should get 1 pretty good player and 1 well above average player. That should easily put them at .500 for the season.[/QUOTE]
Oops, thought they were still on the hook for Harrington and Duhon. I'm not entirely sold on Chandler, but Gallinari looks pretty good, plus they need to still resign Lee. You think the Nets are really going to attract a big name, I just don't see anyone really wanting to play with that core. I might be wrong though.
Nets starting 5 has the potential to be Harris, #3 Pick, Lopez, a max free agent and a close to max free agent. I do not think the Nets are going to get the pick of the crop for the free agents but they should get 1 pretty good player and 1 well above average player. That should easily put them at .500 for the season.[/QUOTE]
Oops, thought they were still on the hook for Harrington and Duhon. I'm not entirely sold on Chandler, but Gallinari looks pretty good, plus they need to still resign Lee. You think the Nets are really going to attract a big name, I just don't see anyone really wanting to play with that core. I might be wrong though.
[quote name='docvinh']Oops, thought they were still on the hook for Harrington and Duhon. I'm not entirely sold on Chandler, but Gallinari looks pretty good, plus they need to still resign Lee. You think the Nets are really going to attract a big name, I just don't see anyone really wanting to play with that core. I might be wrong though.[/QUOTE]
Chandler is young and decent. Not great but is above average.
I do not think the Nets can get a top tier free agent. I am pretty sure they can get a Joe Johnson, David Lee, Amare type. Devin Harris is not a star in no means but is an ok player who can be a good #4 or #5 option on a great team. Brooke Lopez is a 22 year old 7 foot center who can get 20 points, 10 rpg's a game. Throw in the #3 pick and the Nets look pretty promising before you get to free agency.
Combine that with Jay Z as the face of the franchise, a Russian Billionaire who is one of the wealthiest men in the world/committed to winning and the Nets moving to trendy Brooklyn. I can picture urban basketball players wanting to play with decent talent among them, partying with Jay Z and god knows what other NY Rappers while being in Brooklyn/NYC.
Plus there is another key point about going to the Nets or Knicks. That star player only has to win 1 Championship. Knicks haven't won since 1973 and the Nets haven't won since their ABA days. 1 NBA Title and that player(s) is immortalized for the rest of time in NY. Chicago has the Michael Jordan shadow and the player having to win 6 times or more to be even in the same breathe as Jordan.
Chandler is young and decent. Not great but is above average.
I do not think the Nets can get a top tier free agent. I am pretty sure they can get a Joe Johnson, David Lee, Amare type. Devin Harris is not a star in no means but is an ok player who can be a good #4 or #5 option on a great team. Brooke Lopez is a 22 year old 7 foot center who can get 20 points, 10 rpg's a game. Throw in the #3 pick and the Nets look pretty promising before you get to free agency.
Combine that with Jay Z as the face of the franchise, a Russian Billionaire who is one of the wealthiest men in the world/committed to winning and the Nets moving to trendy Brooklyn. I can picture urban basketball players wanting to play with decent talent among them, partying with Jay Z and god knows what other NY Rappers while being in Brooklyn/NYC.
Plus there is another key point about going to the Nets or Knicks. That star player only has to win 1 Championship. Knicks haven't won since 1973 and the Nets haven't won since their ABA days. 1 NBA Title and that player(s) is immortalized for the rest of time in NY. Chicago has the Michael Jordan shadow and the player having to win 6 times or more to be even in the same breathe as Jordan.
[quote name='wildcpac']You are just further proving yourself as a troll.
1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
2. Knicks are shit? The team without a star player won 30 games last year. Gallinari is a star in the making. Chandler, Douglas, Walker and Earl Barron are all decent role players on a competitive team. Knicks have the cap room to sign two max free agents. They also have Eddy Curry's expiring 11 million 2011 deal. That is a pretty valuable trade chip to use for a team that is looking to get under the 2012 cap or even further under.
3. Coach Pringles is a joke? Is that why his system in Phoenix went to the WCF and almost beat the Lakers? Suns in 2005 could/would/should have won the NBA Title if Joe Johnson didn't get injured. Suns in 2007 goted over hard by the Refs in the semi finals. Coach Pringles sure is a joke.
4. Nets are shit? Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rbg). Devin Harris, #3 pick in the draft and they are 30 million plus under the cap already.[/QUOTE]
you know how i can tell your a new york fan? gallo is a star in the making?:lol: rofl. and yes dantoni is a joke. the man had absloutly STACKED rosters in phoenix and couldnt make it even to the finals. and your wrong about the knicks not having an all-star, last i checked lee was an allstar. i think your going to be really butt hurt when all the knicks end up with this summer is carlos boozer.
and what makes you think the cavs wont be willing to take back hedo if it gets bosh and pleases lebron? cavs will literally do any trade lebron asks them to do if he agrees to resign.
1. Cavs have nobody and I mean nobody to trade in a sign and trade to get another star player. Toronto is taking Mo Williams or Antawn Jamison for Bosh. Unless the Cavs are willing to take back Turkoglu.
2. Knicks are shit? The team without a star player won 30 games last year. Gallinari is a star in the making. Chandler, Douglas, Walker and Earl Barron are all decent role players on a competitive team. Knicks have the cap room to sign two max free agents. They also have Eddy Curry's expiring 11 million 2011 deal. That is a pretty valuable trade chip to use for a team that is looking to get under the 2012 cap or even further under.
3. Coach Pringles is a joke? Is that why his system in Phoenix went to the WCF and almost beat the Lakers? Suns in 2005 could/would/should have won the NBA Title if Joe Johnson didn't get injured. Suns in 2007 got
ed over hard by the Refs in the semi finals. Coach Pringles sure is a joke. 4. Nets are shit? Lopez (20 ppg, 10 rbg). Devin Harris, #3 pick in the draft and they are 30 million plus under the cap already.[/QUOTE]
you know how i can tell your a new york fan? gallo is a star in the making?:lol: rofl. and yes dantoni is a joke. the man had absloutly STACKED rosters in phoenix and couldnt make it even to the finals. and your wrong about the knicks not having an all-star, last i checked lee was an allstar. i think your going to be really butt hurt when all the knicks end up with this summer is carlos boozer.
and what makes you think the cavs wont be willing to take back hedo if it gets bosh and pleases lebron? cavs will literally do any trade lebron asks them to do if he agrees to resign.
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Sounds like you are a Cavs fan. Whatever you tell yourself at night to make you sleep. Nice to see that you think the the Raptors are willing to take on bad deals in Jamison/ Mo Williams for Bosh. I am sure Lebron wants to stay in Cleveland so he can play with his step father in West and Side Show Bob.
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I am surprised that we are even wasting time talking about Knicks players not named Lee. Like, wwe stated you are a dreamer if you think anyone on the current knicks team is worth their salt.
Duhon, Bender, Chandler, Curry, Giddens, Harrington, McGrady, Rod, are all sub par players that are not worth talking about outside of NY. The cap space is the only thing that is a plus for your team but unfortunately for you this isnt 1954. New York and LA dont really have the wow factor like yesteryear as anyone can be a mega superstar from their coach in Alaska. Good luck trying to get FA to come with the old "New York is the city of dreams"
The Nets? The? Devin Harris isnt that great buddy, sorry to burst your bubble. Harris, Lopez, Williams are the only real talent for the future. The 3rd draft pick is alright but not enough to bring someone in. The only thing they have going for it is the fact that their owner has money out the ass and is willing to spend it. The worst thing is the fact that you are THE ING NETS. Who the hell wants to play for you when they have have their choice of anywhere?
Sometimes people need to snap out of their fandom and look at reality.
Duhon, Bender, Chandler, Curry, Giddens, Harrington, McGrady, Rod, are all sub par players that are not worth talking about outside of NY. The cap space is the only thing that is a plus for your team but unfortunately for you this isnt 1954. New York and LA dont really have the wow factor like yesteryear as anyone can be a mega superstar from their coach in Alaska. Good luck trying to get FA to come with the old "New York is the city of dreams"
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? Devin Harris isnt that great buddy, sorry to burst your bubble. Harris, Lopez, Williams are the only real talent for the future. The 3rd draft pick is alright but not enough to bring someone in. The only thing they have going for it is the fact that their owner has money out the ass and is willing to spend it. The worst thing is the fact that you are THE ING NETS. Who the hell wants to play for you when they have have their choice of anywhere?Sometimes people need to snap out of their fandom and look at reality.
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lollerflop from Allen there.
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[quote name='dafoomie']And where did you think the blood on Ray Allen's face came from if not from the contact?[/QUOTE]
There's been a lot of contact in this game. Shit man, watch the war under the rim.
All that, ALL THAT, and the lead is 6 at halftime. Looks like the Celtics are going to need to break Finals records just to win a game in this series.
There's been a lot of contact in this game. Shit man, watch the war under the rim.
All that, ALL THAT, and the lead is 6 at halftime. Looks like the Celtics are going to need to break Finals records just to win a game in this series.
[quote name='speedracer']There's been a lot of contact in this game. Shit man, watch the war under the rim.[/quote]
And yet they're calling loose ball fouls that are nothing.
The last few minutes are on Shelden Williams... At least two baskets were directly his fault, he put in Gasol's shot after the foul and he inbounded the ball directly to Kobe. He'sing terrible, even Scalabrine is better than he is.
And yet they're calling loose ball fouls that are nothing.
The last few minutes are on Shelden Williams... At least two baskets were directly his fault, he put in Gasol's shot after the foul and he inbounded the ball directly to Kobe. He's
ing terrible, even Scalabrine is better than he is.speedracer
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