2010-2011 NBA Season Thread
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I'm pleased with Bradley at #19, Ainge has had a hard on for this kid for weeks. #1 recruit out of high school, Celtics think he was used incorrectly in Texas. Combo guard, slasher type, plays good defense. Not a true point guard but undersized for the 2. Pretty good shooter.
Could start the season with Tony Allen's minutes because of his D, could also take Finley's minutes when they go small.
Could start the season with Tony Allen's minutes because of his D, could also take Finley's minutes when they go small.
[quote name='Tony208']MSG is so overrated and old, the events make the arena, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
hahahahahahahahahaha. Right! 42 years is really old! lets tear it down and build some place new in NYC which doesn't have the land. Lets also not forget the major 500 million dollar renovation that is about to be done. Lets not mention all of the events that have been held at MSG. Quicken Loans Arena is the best one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_garden
hahahahahahahahahaha. Right! 42 years is really old! lets tear it down and build some place new in NYC which doesn't have the land. Lets also not forget the major 500 million dollar renovation that is about to be done. Lets not mention all of the events that have been held at MSG. Quicken Loans Arena is the best one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_garden
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[quote name='Lord_Kefka']The Wizards taking Hinrich would give them a solid back-up point who is a decent defender. He can provide quality minutes and be an insurance policy in the guard rotation with Arenas. He played the floor in a 2 PG set with Rose at times, so it's not unheard of...not sure how well he matches a 2 defensively.
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I agree he is a solid backup. But look at the roster... there is no room for him. Just at guards... Arenas, Wall, Howard, Young, Livingston, etc.
On another note, looks my Magic wasted their pick on Orton. We don't need a PF, especially one that doesn't shoot a three (haha... its a joke). We needed a backup PG. What a waste.
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I agree he is a solid backup. But look at the roster... there is no room for him. Just at guards... Arenas, Wall, Howard, Young, Livingston, etc.
On another note, looks my Magic wasted their pick on Orton. We don't need a PF, especially one that doesn't shoot a three (haha... its a joke). We needed a backup PG. What a waste.
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My prediction tonight is this... the New York fans will love this... I guarantee we hear some booing during their pick like every year. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Man I am amazing. New York fans boo'd their picks again. Poor Landry Fields.
My prediction tonight is this... the New York fans will love this... I guarantee we hear some booing during their pick like every year. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Man I am amazing. New York fans boo'd their picks again. Poor Landry Fields.
[quote name='lordopus99']Understand this. Miami will NOT be taking Amare this offseason. He isn't even in talks with them. Miami so far has only gone after two big men (Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer). I still stand firm that Bosh ends up in Miami. Wade has already been vocal that he will take a pay cut if he can get a championship level team built. If that happens, Miami easily has 3 max contracts to give.
I'm a realist, not a NY Hater. To answer your question, yes other cities have crime (granted not as much as NYC). If something has HISTORY, it is OLD. Other cities built newer stadium (Miami, Charlotte, New Jersey, etc)... it's time New York does the same... When I lived in Miami, the Orange Bowl had tradition and history. The difference between Miami and New York is that Miami realized it was a shithole and destroyed it in favor a creating the new highend Dolphin Stadium.
The championship talk was because of the original stadium asking if the Clippers or Bulls won anything. I answered it. End of story. MJ or not... the Knicks had the pieces but couldn't get it done. Hakeem got it done during MJ era. Heck Bill Laimbeer got one during MJ Era. Still no excuses.
As for Lebron and NY, there are two many question marks. There is no way he shows up there. If it was all about friends, Jay Z is part owner of the Nets. Wouldn't he go there first if that was the case? I leave it like this... Lebron, if he stays north, will resign with the Cavs (remember he grew up only a hour away from Cleveland).
My prediction tonight is this... the New York fans will love this... I guarantee we hear some booing during their pick like every year. :lol:[/QUOTE]
let me stop you right there. first of all, miami hasnt been in contact with amare becuase they are not allowed to be until july 1st. otherwise the league would consider it tampering and fine miami a huge amount of money. second of all, miami made a huge push for amare at the trade deadline but they couldnt land him. third of all, amare said miami is his #1 destination if he leaves the suns. this is why amare will be in miami next month.
I'm a realist, not a NY Hater. To answer your question, yes other cities have crime (granted not as much as NYC). If something has HISTORY, it is OLD. Other cities built newer stadium (Miami, Charlotte, New Jersey, etc)... it's time New York does the same... When I lived in Miami, the Orange Bowl had tradition and history. The difference between Miami and New York is that Miami realized it was a shithole and destroyed it in favor a creating the new highend Dolphin Stadium.
The championship talk was because of the original stadium asking if the Clippers or Bulls won anything. I answered it. End of story. MJ or not... the Knicks had the pieces but couldn't get it done. Hakeem got it done during MJ era. Heck Bill Laimbeer got one during MJ Era. Still no excuses.
As for Lebron and NY, there are two many question marks. There is no way he shows up there. If it was all about friends, Jay Z is part owner of the Nets. Wouldn't he go there first if that was the case? I leave it like this... Lebron, if he stays north, will resign with the Cavs (remember he grew up only a hour away from Cleveland).
My prediction tonight is this... the New York fans will love this... I guarantee we hear some booing during their pick like every year. :lol:[/QUOTE]
let me stop you right there. first of all, miami hasnt been in contact with amare becuase they are not allowed to be until july 1st. otherwise the league would consider it tampering and fine miami a huge amount of money. second of all, miami made a huge push for amare at the trade deadline but they couldnt land him. third of all, amare said miami is his #1 destination if he leaves the suns. this is why amare will be in miami next month.
[quote name='wildcpac']hahahahahahahahahaha. Right! 42 years is really old! lets tear it down and build some place new in NYC which doesn't have the land. Lets also not forget the major 500 million dollar renovation that is about to be done. Lets not mention all of the events that have been held at MSG. Quicken Loans Arena is the best one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_garden[/QUOTE]
See, if they tear it down NOW, then the Knicks could be playing home games at Rucker Park while they start and finish building New MSG in the old MSG's place. They'll probably have more attendance that way, because when Lee leaves and LeBron and crew never show up, nobody is going to want to buy tickets anyway!
All joking aside, I have to agree that MSG is pretty damn historic and seeing it get replaced would kind of be shocking. I don't feel that a team needs a new stadium every decade or so, seems like a waste really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_garden[/QUOTE]
See, if they tear it down NOW, then the Knicks could be playing home games at Rucker Park while they start and finish building New MSG in the old MSG's place. They'll probably have more attendance that way, because when Lee leaves and LeBron and crew never show up, nobody is going to want to buy tickets anyway!
All joking aside, I have to agree that MSG is pretty damn historic and seeing it get replaced would kind of be shocking. I don't feel that a team needs a new stadium every decade or so, seems like a waste really.
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[quote name='wwe101']let me stop you right there. first of all, miami hasnt been in contact with amare becuase they are not allowed to be until july 1st. otherwise the league would consider it tampering and fine miami a huge amount of money. second of all, miami made a huge push for amare at the trade deadline but they couldnt land him. third of all, amare said miami is his #1 destination if he leaves the suns. this is why amare will be in miami next month.[/QUOTE]
The Amare push in February was because they were in need for a Big. They knew they couldn't get Bosh or Boozer or any other good big due to teams wanting to keep those players. When the deal didn't work out, they got Jermaine O'neal. There have been absolutely no rumors or things pointing to Amare being looked at since then. Carlos Boozer on the other hand (http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/07/20/1149794_carlos-boozers-no-1-choice-is.html) or how about Chris Bosh plenty of rumors (google it).
On another note, I am disappointed with our second pick too. Do we really need another SF... come on.
Miami, on the other hand, cleaned up. Da'Sean Butler is the biggest steal this year. If his knee recovers well, this guy will be a stud. In addition, they dealt Daequan Cook which opens the cap to 43 million.
Chicago's dealing of Hinrich is huge. Now it gives them a better advantage in the free agent market than New York could offer (since they now have 2 max contracts in addition to having way better players on roster).
Biggest shock for me this draft... see Ryan Reid (from my alma mater, FSU) getting drafted. Never, ever saw this coming.
antlp89... Cousins is huge. I think he will be a great addition to your team as long as he can get his head checked.
The Amare push in February was because they were in need for a Big. They knew they couldn't get Bosh or Boozer or any other good big due to teams wanting to keep those players. When the deal didn't work out, they got Jermaine O'neal. There have been absolutely no rumors or things pointing to Amare being looked at since then. Carlos Boozer on the other hand (http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/07/20/1149794_carlos-boozers-no-1-choice-is.html) or how about Chris Bosh plenty of rumors (google it).
On another note, I am disappointed with our second pick too. Do we really need another SF... come on.
Miami, on the other hand, cleaned up. Da'Sean Butler is the biggest steal this year. If his knee recovers well, this guy will be a stud. In addition, they dealt Daequan Cook which opens the cap to 43 million.
Chicago's dealing of Hinrich is huge. Now it gives them a better advantage in the free agent market than New York could offer (since they now have 2 max contracts in addition to having way better players on roster).
Biggest shock for me this draft... see Ryan Reid (from my alma mater, FSU) getting drafted. Never, ever saw this coming.
antlp89... Cousins is huge. I think he will be a great addition to your team as long as he can get his head checked.
Simple Math time now. Chicago needs to do more roster clearing to be able to afford 2 max free agents. 1 Max deal is 16.8 million. 2 Max Deals is 33.6 million. Chicago has 29 million in cap room right now. They are 4-5 million away from being able to afford 2 max deals.
WojYahooNBA
After pre-draft deals, here's one team's projection of summer cap space: Knicks, $34.2 million; Bulls, $29.1 mil.; NJ, $27.2; Miami, $26.2.
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After pre-draft deals, here's one team's projection of summer cap space: Knicks, $34.2 million; Bulls, $29.1 mil.; NJ, $27.2; Miami, $26.2.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Simple Math time now. Chicago needs to do more roster clearing to be able to afford 2 max free agents. 1 Max deal is 16.8 million. 2 Max Deals is 33.6 million. Chicago has 29 million in cap room right now. They are 4-5 million away from being able to afford 2 max deals.
WojYahooNBA
After pre-draft deals, here's one team's projection of summer cap space: Knicks, $34.2 million; Bulls, $29.1 mil.; NJ, $27.2; Miami, $26.2.[/QUOTE]
Salary cap is 56.1 million (or at least expected to be)
Actually max deals are based on years of being in the NBA
0-6 years = 25% of salary cap = 14.0
6-9 years = 30% of salary cap = 16.8
10+ years = 35% of salary cap = 19.6
Since most of the players that are highly touted this free agency fall in the 0-6 category, the Bulls currently have enough to sign two max free agents.
WojYahooNBA
After pre-draft deals, here's one team's projection of summer cap space: Knicks, $34.2 million; Bulls, $29.1 mil.; NJ, $27.2; Miami, $26.2.[/QUOTE]
Salary cap is 56.1 million (or at least expected to be)
Actually max deals are based on years of being in the NBA
0-6 years = 25% of salary cap = 14.0
6-9 years = 30% of salary cap = 16.8
10+ years = 35% of salary cap = 19.6
Since most of the players that are highly touted this free agency fall in the 0-6 category, the Bulls currently have enough to sign two max free agents.
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On another note, looks my Magic wasted their pick on Orton. We don't need a PF, especially one that doesn't shoot a three (haha... its a joke). We needed a backup PG. What a waste.[/QUOTE]
No, we definitely need a power forward who can get rebounds, and score inside to take pressure off Howard.
Only problem is Orton is very raw, and is really a project and won't contribute right away.
I thought Stanley Robinson was the odder pic, the last thing we need is another SF.
We do need a back up PG though since Johnson and Williams are fossils.
On another note, looks my Magic wasted their pick on Orton. We don't need a PF, especially one that doesn't shoot a three (haha... its a joke). We needed a backup PG. What a waste.[/QUOTE]
No, we definitely need a power forward who can get rebounds, and score inside to take pressure off Howard.
Only problem is Orton is very raw, and is really a project and won't contribute right away.
I thought Stanley Robinson was the odder pic, the last thing we need is another SF.
We do need a back up PG though since Johnson and Williams are fossils.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']No, we definitely need a power forward who can get rebounds, and score inside to take pressure off Howard.
Only problem is Orton is very raw, and is really a project and won't contribute right away.
I thought Stanley Robinson was the odder pic, the last thing we need is another SF.
We do need a back up PG though since Johnson and Williams are fossils.[/QUOTE]
We have one. His name is Brandon Bass and he doesn't play... haha. Remember though Orton's lingering knee injury i.e. HUGE project. This pick up leads me to believe we are going to deal Gortat this offseason.
The only thing I can think of for Stanley drafting is if they let Barnes walk, then they will need one.
It will interesting if anything happens with the Chris Paul trade rumors.
Only problem is Orton is very raw, and is really a project and won't contribute right away.
I thought Stanley Robinson was the odder pic, the last thing we need is another SF.
We do need a back up PG though since Johnson and Williams are fossils.[/QUOTE]
We have one. His name is Brandon Bass and he doesn't play... haha. Remember though Orton's lingering knee injury i.e. HUGE project. This pick up leads me to believe we are going to deal Gortat this offseason.
The only thing I can think of for Stanley drafting is if they let Barnes walk, then they will need one.
It will interesting if anything happens with the Chris Paul trade rumors.
True. Bass is a bit Undersized though, if Orton pans out having a 6' 10" guy to put next to Howard would be great.
I think they keep Gortat. Ideally you have Orton pan out in a year our two, and you can have 2 of Howard/Gortat/Orton on the floor most of the time--kind of the Twin Towers approach that the Spurs had with Duncan and Robinson.
I think they keep Gortat. Ideally you have Orton pan out in a year our two, and you can have 2 of Howard/Gortat/Orton on the floor most of the time--kind of the Twin Towers approach that the Spurs had with Duncan and Robinson.
[quote name='lordopus99']Salary cap is 56.1 million (or at least expected to be)
Actually max deals are based on years of being in the NBA
0-6 years = 25% of salary cap = 14.0
6-9 years = 30% of salary cap = 16.8
10+ years = 35% of salary cap = 19.6
Since most of the players that are highly touted this free agency fall in the 0-6 category, the Bulls currently have enough to sign two max free agents.[/QUOTE]
Who are the highly touted free agents that are under 6 years? James, Bosh, Amare, Wade, Boozer, Dirk, Joe Johnson and others all have been in the league 7 years plus.
Rudy Gay, David Lee are the only ones who I can think of that have played less than 6 years.
Luol Deng $11.4M
Derrick Rose $5.5M
Joakim Noah $3.1M
James Johnson $1.7M
Taj Gibson $1.1M
Cap Holds $.47K x 7 = $3.3M
Total $26.1M
Cap $56.1M
Space $30M
14.0 plus 16.8 equals 30.8. Bulls do not even have the money for a max 6 plus year player and a max minus 6 year player.
Actually max deals are based on years of being in the NBA
0-6 years = 25% of salary cap = 14.0
6-9 years = 30% of salary cap = 16.8
10+ years = 35% of salary cap = 19.6
Since most of the players that are highly touted this free agency fall in the 0-6 category, the Bulls currently have enough to sign two max free agents.[/QUOTE]
Who are the highly touted free agents that are under 6 years? James, Bosh, Amare, Wade, Boozer, Dirk, Joe Johnson and others all have been in the league 7 years plus.
Rudy Gay, David Lee are the only ones who I can think of that have played less than 6 years.
Luol Deng $11.4M
Derrick Rose $5.5M
Joakim Noah $3.1M
James Johnson $1.7M
Taj Gibson $1.1M
Cap Holds $.47K x 7 = $3.3M
Total $26.1M
Cap $56.1M
Space $30M
14.0 plus 16.8 equals 30.8. Bulls do not even have the money for a max 6 plus year player and a max minus 6 year player.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Who are the highly touted free agents that are under 6 years? James, Bosh, Amare, Wade, Boozer, Dirk, Joe Johnson and others all have been in the league 6 years plus.
Rudy Gay, David Lee are the only ones who I can think of that have played less than 6 years.[/QUOTE]
James - 6 years
Bosh - 6 years
Wade - 6 years
Felton - 4 years
Morrow - 1 year
Gay - 3 years
Lee - 4 years
They all fall at the 14.0 max.
Either way, the Bulls are still in talks with moving Deng and his 11.4 million contract.
Rudy Gay, David Lee are the only ones who I can think of that have played less than 6 years.[/QUOTE]
James - 6 years
Bosh - 6 years
Wade - 6 years
Felton - 4 years
Morrow - 1 year
Gay - 3 years
Lee - 4 years
They all fall at the 14.0 max.
Either way, the Bulls are still in talks with moving Deng and his 11.4 million contract.
[quote name='lordopus99']James - 6 years
Bosh - 6 years
Wade - 6 years
Felton - 4 years
Morrow - 1 year
Gay - 3 years
Lee - 4 years
They all fall at the 14.0 max.
Either way, the Bulls are still in talks with moving Deng and his 11.4 million contract.[/QUOTE]
Ummm what? July 1st hits in a week when the free agency starts. James, Bosh, Wade etc are all going to be at 7 years. Johnson, Boozer and everybody else is going to be 7 years plus as well.
You do know that we are talking about the free agent class of 2003? 03-04,04-05,05-06,07-08,08-09,09-10. That's 7 seasons/years of being in the NBA. That's 7 years of contracts.
OK, the Bulls are moving Deng and his 11.4. It's still not easy and they still have to take salary back. Another thing about Deng compared to Hinrich. Hinrich is scheduled to make 17 million over the next 2 seasons. Deng is signed for the next 4 years and is owed around 50 million.
Bosh - 6 years
Wade - 6 years
Felton - 4 years
Morrow - 1 year
Gay - 3 years
Lee - 4 years
They all fall at the 14.0 max.
Either way, the Bulls are still in talks with moving Deng and his 11.4 million contract.[/QUOTE]
Ummm what? July 1st hits in a week when the free agency starts. James, Bosh, Wade etc are all going to be at 7 years. Johnson, Boozer and everybody else is going to be 7 years plus as well.
You do know that we are talking about the free agent class of 2003? 03-04,04-05,05-06,07-08,08-09,09-10. That's 7 seasons/years of being in the NBA. That's 7 years of contracts.
OK, the Bulls are moving Deng and his 11.4. It's still not easy and they still have to take salary back. Another thing about Deng compared to Hinrich. Hinrich is scheduled to make 17 million over the next 2 seasons. Deng is signed for the next 4 years and is owed around 50 million.
[quote name='lordopus99']The Amare push in February was because they were in need for a Big. They knew they couldn't get Bosh or Boozer or any other good big due to teams wanting to keep those players. When the deal didn't work out, they got Jermaine O'neal. There have been absolutely no rumors or things pointing to Amare being looked at since then. Carlos Boozer on the other hand (http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/07/20/1149794_carlos-boozers-no-1-choice-is.html) or how about Chris Bosh plenty of rumors (google it).
On another note, I am disappointed with our second pick too. Do we really need another SF... come on.
Miami, on the other hand, cleaned up. Da'Sean Butler is the biggest steal this year. If his knee recovers well, this guy will be a stud. In addition, they dealt Daequan Cook which opens the cap to 43 million.
Chicago's dealing of Hinrich is huge. Now it gives them a better advantage in the free agent market than New York could offer (since they now have 2 max contracts in addition to having way better players on roster).
Biggest shock for me this draft... see Ryan Reid (from my alma mater, FSU) getting drafted. Never, ever saw this coming.
antlp89... Cousins is huge. I think he will be a great addition to your team as long as he can get his head checked.[/QUOTE]
are you serious?:lol: they have had jermaine way before last febuarary. he was actually part of the proposed trade package miami was offering for amare. amare will be in miami next month, book it.
On another note, I am disappointed with our second pick too. Do we really need another SF... come on.
Miami, on the other hand, cleaned up. Da'Sean Butler is the biggest steal this year. If his knee recovers well, this guy will be a stud. In addition, they dealt Daequan Cook which opens the cap to 43 million.
Chicago's dealing of Hinrich is huge. Now it gives them a better advantage in the free agent market than New York could offer (since they now have 2 max contracts in addition to having way better players on roster).
Biggest shock for me this draft... see Ryan Reid (from my alma mater, FSU) getting drafted. Never, ever saw this coming.
antlp89... Cousins is huge. I think he will be a great addition to your team as long as he can get his head checked.[/QUOTE]
are you serious?:lol: they have had jermaine way before last febuarary. he was actually part of the proposed trade package miami was offering for amare. amare will be in miami next month, book it.
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Tracy McGrady joining the Lakers? http://www.gacksports.com/1275/rumor-central-tracy-mcgrady-wants-to-play-for-the-lakers/
I am still waiting for Lord to explain to me how the Bulls can afford 16.8 and 14.0 when they are 29-30 under the cap. I am still waiting for Lord to explain to me how Players from 2003 have 6 years or less in the league. I am still waiting for Lord to tell me what team in the NBA (same NBA that has lost over a billion dollars in the last 5 years) is going to help out the Bulls and take on Luol Deng's remaining 4 years 50 plus million for draft picks.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Ummm what? July 1st hits in a week when the free agency starts. James, Bosh, Wade etc are all going to be at 7 years. Johnson, Boozer and everybody else is going to be 7 years plus as well.
You do know that we are talking about the free agent class of 2003? 03-04,04-05,05-06,07-08,08-09,09-10. That's 7 seasons/years of being in the NBA. That's 7 years of contracts.
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Next year is considered their 7th year. Thus they still fall under 6 years until preseason starts. I just listed the top free agents that are 6 years and under. So all their first new year under contract will be at the 14.0 max... granted the years following that can be higher in their contract. Thus Chicago can make a play for two big dogs.
Yes it's not easy but it sounds like they are pretty close to moving him.
I am done bickering. Just don't come crying when New York ends up with nothing.
You do know that we are talking about the free agent class of 2003? 03-04,04-05,05-06,07-08,08-09,09-10. That's 7 seasons/years of being in the NBA. That's 7 years of contracts.
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Next year is considered their 7th year. Thus they still fall under 6 years until preseason starts. I just listed the top free agents that are 6 years and under. So all their first new year under contract will be at the 14.0 max... granted the years following that can be higher in their contract. Thus Chicago can make a play for two big dogs.
Yes it's not easy but it sounds like they are pretty close to moving him.
I am done bickering. Just don't come crying when New York ends up with nothing.
You are so wrong about the years. Next year is considered their 8th year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5244954
We won't know the exact numbers until July, but Cleveland will be able to offer LeBron a six-year deal worth approximately $126 million. The biggest contract the New York Knicks or any other team can offer will be a five-year deal worth approximately $30 million less.
5 years 96 million comes out to an average of 19.2 million over 5 years. Which includes a percentage payraise every year.
If Lebron were offered 14 million for next year, he would have to be given a 5 million dollar pay raise every year over the course of his contract to equal out to 5 years 96 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap
The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is contingent on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2009-10: $14,472,500). For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap (2009-10: $17,310,000), and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $14,000,000 or 35% of the cap (2008-2009: $20,195,000).[4]
According to hoops hype which has salaries for every player.
Lebron made 15.8 million for 2009-2010
Lebrons player option for 2010-2011 is 17.1 million.
And here I thought he only had 6 years going into next year. Stupid me!
Lebron Made
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5244954
We won't know the exact numbers until July, but Cleveland will be able to offer LeBron a six-year deal worth approximately $126 million. The biggest contract the New York Knicks or any other team can offer will be a five-year deal worth approximately $30 million less.
5 years 96 million comes out to an average of 19.2 million over 5 years. Which includes a percentage payraise every year.
If Lebron were offered 14 million for next year, he would have to be given a 5 million dollar pay raise every year over the course of his contract to equal out to 5 years 96 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap
The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is contingent on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2009-10: $14,472,500). For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap (2009-10: $17,310,000), and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $14,000,000 or 35% of the cap (2008-2009: $20,195,000).[4]
According to hoops hype which has salaries for every player.
Lebron made 15.8 million for 2009-2010
Lebrons player option for 2010-2011 is 17.1 million.
And here I thought he only had 6 years going into next year. Stupid me!
Lebron Made
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Lord, go learn how the NBA works and go learn how to do simple math.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/believe_it_or_not_nbas_stars_w.html
1) OPTION PLAY
If James extends his current contract by June 30, can pick up his one-year option and add four years:
2010-11: $17.1 million
2011-12: $18.9M
2012-13: $20.7M
2013-14: $22.5M
2014-15: $24.3M
Annual raises: $1.8 million. Total: Five years, $103.5 million
2) STAYING HOME
If James signs a new contract with the Cavs after July 1 for up to six years:
2010-11: $16.5M
2011-12: $18.2M
2012-13: $19.9M
2013-14: $21.6M
2014-15: $23.3M
2015-16: $25.0M
Annual raises: $1.7 million. Total: $124.5 million
3) HITTING THE ROAD
If James signs a new contract with another team after July 1, with a maximum length of five years:
2010-11: $16.5M
2011-12: $17.8M
2012-13: $19.1M
2013-14: $20.4M
2014-15: $21.7M
Annual raises: $1.3 million. Total: $95.5 million
— Brian Windhorst
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/believe_it_or_not_nbas_stars_w.html
1) OPTION PLAY
If James extends his current contract by June 30, can pick up his one-year option and add four years:
2010-11: $17.1 million
2011-12: $18.9M
2012-13: $20.7M
2013-14: $22.5M
2014-15: $24.3M
Annual raises: $1.8 million. Total: Five years, $103.5 million
2) STAYING HOME
If James signs a new contract with the Cavs after July 1 for up to six years:
2010-11: $16.5M
2011-12: $18.2M
2012-13: $19.9M
2013-14: $21.6M
2014-15: $23.3M
2015-16: $25.0M
Annual raises: $1.7 million. Total: $124.5 million
3) HITTING THE ROAD
If James signs a new contract with another team after July 1, with a maximum length of five years:
2010-11: $16.5M
2011-12: $17.8M
2012-13: $19.1M
2013-14: $20.4M
2014-15: $21.7M
Annual raises: $1.3 million. Total: $95.5 million
— Brian Windhorst
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While I respect the numbers that you are laying out wildcpac, I think we're all overlooking the fact that these teams that are contending for free agents have to fill more than 2 roster spots. Miami has 2 players under contract, Chicago has 5 (counting Kirk to be gone), and the Knicks have 4 or 5.
So after any of these teams signs two guys (not even saying what the numbers are), they still have to fill out the remainder of the roster. Miami has the most to spend and hell, if they could dump Beasley, get 3 max contracts right? But then, you've got not even half a team. The Knicks have the next highest amount currently, alongside young talent. The Nets are right in this mix with salary cap space too. The Bulls jump right up alongside the Nets and about 4 Mil below New York, and they have a strong 5 players.
Man, can you imagine what the B-squad on some of these teams could look like? U-G-L-Y
So after any of these teams signs two guys (not even saying what the numbers are), they still have to fill out the remainder of the roster. Miami has the most to spend and hell, if they could dump Beasley, get 3 max contracts right? But then, you've got not even half a team. The Knicks have the next highest amount currently, alongside young talent. The Nets are right in this mix with salary cap space too. The Bulls jump right up alongside the Nets and about 4 Mil below New York, and they have a strong 5 players.
Man, can you imagine what the B-squad on some of these teams could look like? U-G-L-Y
[quote name='Lord_Kefka']Man, can you imagine what the B-squad on some of these teams could look like? U-G-L-Y[/QUOTE]
Definitely. Any stars that move are looking at playing at least 40-42, minutes a game for most of the season if they want to compete as the bench for all of the teams are going to be shitty as hell.
Definitely. Any stars that move are looking at playing at least 40-42, minutes a game for most of the season if they want to compete as the bench for all of the teams are going to be shitty as hell.
[quote name='Lord_Kefka']While I respect the numbers that you are laying out wildcpac, I think we're all overlooking the fact that these teams that are contending for free agents have to fill more than 2 roster spots. Miami has 2 players under contract, Chicago has 5 (counting Kirk to be gone), and the Knicks have 4 or 5.
So after any of these teams signs two guys (not even saying what the numbers are), they still have to fill out the remainder of the roster. Miami has the most to spend and hell, if they could dump Beasley, get 3 max contracts right? But then, you've got not even half a team. The Knicks have the next highest amount currently, alongside young talent. The Nets are right in this mix with salary cap space too. The Bulls jump right up alongside the Nets and about 4 Mil below New York, and they have a strong 5 players.
Man, can you imagine what the B-squad on some of these teams could look like? U-G-L-Y[/QUOTE]
The numbers that I am throwing in terms of Cap space take into consideration cap holds. The minimum salary of 470'000 for every roster spot not being used already.
This is the Bulls for next year. I am using a hypothetical situation for the rest of the roster. They go out and give James 16.8 million. They have 13.2 left over and give that to Amare (who wants 16.8 not 13.2). That gives them Deng, Rose, Noah, Johnson, Gibson, Amare and James as their main 7. Thats 52.8 million which gives them 3.3 million for the last 5 spots. They could give their 8th man a Million and 9th man a million each and the 10,11 and 12 can play for the minimum. It is beyond doable.
Luol Deng $11.4M
Derrick Rose $5.5M
Joakim Noah $3.1M
James Johnson $1.7M
Taj Gibson $1.1M
Cap Holds $.47K x 7 = $3.3M
Total $26.1M
Cap $56.1M
Space $30M
I am still waiting for Lord to tell me that James, Bosh and Wade are only 14 million players and only have 6 years in the league.
So after any of these teams signs two guys (not even saying what the numbers are), they still have to fill out the remainder of the roster. Miami has the most to spend and hell, if they could dump Beasley, get 3 max contracts right? But then, you've got not even half a team. The Knicks have the next highest amount currently, alongside young talent. The Nets are right in this mix with salary cap space too. The Bulls jump right up alongside the Nets and about 4 Mil below New York, and they have a strong 5 players.
Man, can you imagine what the B-squad on some of these teams could look like? U-G-L-Y[/QUOTE]
The numbers that I am throwing in terms of Cap space take into consideration cap holds. The minimum salary of 470'000 for every roster spot not being used already.
This is the Bulls for next year. I am using a hypothetical situation for the rest of the roster. They go out and give James 16.8 million. They have 13.2 left over and give that to Amare (who wants 16.8 not 13.2). That gives them Deng, Rose, Noah, Johnson, Gibson, Amare and James as their main 7. Thats 52.8 million which gives them 3.3 million for the last 5 spots. They could give their 8th man a Million and 9th man a million each and the 10,11 and 12 can play for the minimum. It is beyond doable.
Luol Deng $11.4M
Derrick Rose $5.5M
Joakim Noah $3.1M
James Johnson $1.7M
Taj Gibson $1.1M
Cap Holds $.47K x 7 = $3.3M
Total $26.1M
Cap $56.1M
Space $30M
I am still waiting for Lord to tell me that James, Bosh and Wade are only 14 million players and only have 6 years in the league.
Knicks have 17.80 million in 7 contracts for next year. Curry, Rooster, Walker, Douglas, Rodriguez, Giddens and Chandler. Their cap holds equals 2.35 million. Knicks are between 34-36 million depending on the final numbers under the cap. They can afford to go out and give two 16.8 max deals which equals 33.6 million. That leaves the Knicks with 9 men signed on the 12 man roster with 3-5 million left for the last 3 players.
I do not think the Heat, Knicks, Bulls and Nets are going to be worrying who is warming the bench if they all go out and get 2 star players who can play 40 minutes a game.
I do not think the Heat, Knicks, Bulls and Nets are going to be worrying who is warming the bench if they all go out and get 2 star players who can play 40 minutes a game.
It's also worth noting that some of the big names may be willing to take less than max deals to get another super star beside them to win a championship.
I'm VERY skeptical of that, but Lebron did say (on Larry King I think?) that he was set for life financially and money wouldn't be a deciding factor. Think Wade has said similar things.
Again, I'm skeptical, but a team could still get a couple max deal quality stars from each taking a couple million a year less to go for a title.
I'm VERY skeptical of that, but Lebron did say (on Larry King I think?) that he was set for life financially and money wouldn't be a deciding factor. Think Wade has said similar things.
Again, I'm skeptical, but a team could still get a couple max deal quality stars from each taking a couple million a year less to go for a title.
I can picture the Ray Allens and Tracy Macs of the world taking less money to sign with a big team. I cannot picture the Boozers, Amares and Boshs of the world leaving a penny on the table. Not when these guys go through money like it's water and 90 percent of them end up broke after their days are over.
[quote name='wildcpac']I can picture the Ray Allens and Tracy Macs of the world taking less money to sign with a big team. I cannot picture the Boozers, Amares and Boshs of the world leaving a penny on the table. Not when these guys go through money like it's water and 90 percent of them end up broke after their days are over.[/QUOTE]
I think some of the people around here don't remember the last NBA lockout... 90% of NBA players live hand to mouth. Those younger players aren't leaving a dime on the table because they don't have a dime to their name outside of the next paycheck. I could see the older guys taking less to play on a contender, not that those guys would have great offers on the table to turn down anyway.
I think some of the people around here don't remember the last NBA lockout... 90% of NBA players live hand to mouth. Those younger players aren't leaving a dime on the table because they don't have a dime to their name outside of the next paycheck. I could see the older guys taking less to play on a contender, not that those guys would have great offers on the table to turn down anyway.
[quote name='dafoomie']I think some of the people around here don't remember the last NBA lockout... 90% of NBA players live hand to mouth. Those younger players aren't leaving a dime on the table because they don't have a dime to their name outside of the next paycheck. I could see the older guys taking less to play on a contender, not that those guys would have great offers on the table to turn down anyway.[/QUOTE]
Well Lord still cant do simple math and thinks that James,Wade etc have only been in the league 6 years and are only worth 14 million. What do you expect? None of these guys are going to leave money on the table when it's their chance to cash in. Especially with the CBA ending after this upcoming season and the league has lost over 1 billion dollars the last 5 years.
Well Lord still cant do simple math and thinks that James,Wade etc have only been in the league 6 years and are only worth 14 million. What do you expect? None of these guys are going to leave money on the table when it's their chance to cash in. Especially with the CBA ending after this upcoming season and the league has lost over 1 billion dollars the last 5 years.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Well Lord still cant do simple math and thinks that James,Wade etc have only been in the league 6 years and are only worth 14 million. What do you expect? None of these guys are going to leave money on the table when it's their chance to cash in. Especially with the CBA ending after this upcoming season and the league has lost over 1 billion dollars the last 5 years.[/QUOTE]
I told you I am done bickering with you. We won't know anything until the end of summer.
Until then, New York gave a ratass over their fabled Rooster...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-MwAa1rsg
Who really wants to play for this.
I told you I am done bickering with you. We won't know anything until the end of summer.
Until then, New York gave a ratass over their fabled Rooster...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-MwAa1rsg
Who really wants to play for this.
[quote name='lordopus99']I told you I am done bickering with you.[/QUOTE]
You are done bickering because you came off as an Idiot who doesn't understand how NBA contracts work and who doesn't understand that a player drafted in 2003 has 7 years of service time in the year 2010-2011.
I am still waiting for you to explain to me how James, Wade and Bosh are just 14 million max contract players. Explain to me how the Bulls can afford two 16.8 million players when they are only 29 million under the cap. Explain to me what team wants Luol Deng and his 4 year 50 million plus remaining contract in a league that has lost over 1 billion in the last 5 years.
You are done bickering because you came off as an Idiot who doesn't understand how NBA contracts work and who doesn't understand that a player drafted in 2003 has 7 years of service time in the year 2010-2011.
I am still waiting for you to explain to me how James, Wade and Bosh are just 14 million max contract players. Explain to me how the Bulls can afford two 16.8 million players when they are only 29 million under the cap. Explain to me what team wants Luol Deng and his 4 year 50 million plus remaining contract in a league that has lost over 1 billion in the last 5 years.
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[quote name='wildcpac']You are done bickering because you came off as an Idiot who doesn't understand how NBA contracts work and who doesn't understand that a player drafted in 2003 has 7 years of service time in the year 2010-2011.
I am still waiting for you to explain to me how James, Wade and Bosh are just 14 million max contract players. Explain to me how the Bulls can afford two 16.8 million players when they are only 29 million under the cap. Explain to me what team wants Luol Deng and his 4 year 50 million plus remaining contract in a league that has lost over 1 billion in the last 5 years
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I do understand the workings. Thats why I GUARANTEE you see them getting TWO big contract players this offseason (my guess Joe Johnson & Amare Staudamire).
As for Deng... he is a solid player. There are tons of teams needing a decent/quality SF. There were already rumors of him to be dealt for Joe Johnson in a deal. Think of it in another light... there are plenty of terrible players on contracts that plenty of teams would want to get rid of if they could for a need (i.e. Okur; Utah needs a SF).
As for the league losing money, I sum it this way. Bias refs. High Salaries = High Ticket Sales + Poor/Decent Team = No ticket sales (i.e. Charlotte Bobcats). Flopping. No wonder no one is watching it anymore.
I am still waiting for you to explain to me how James, Wade and Bosh are just 14 million max contract players. Explain to me how the Bulls can afford two 16.8 million players when they are only 29 million under the cap. Explain to me what team wants Luol Deng and his 4 year 50 million plus remaining contract in a league that has lost over 1 billion in the last 5 years
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I do understand the workings. Thats why I GUARANTEE you see them getting TWO big contract players this offseason (my guess Joe Johnson & Amare Staudamire).
As for Deng... he is a solid player. There are tons of teams needing a decent/quality SF. There were already rumors of him to be dealt for Joe Johnson in a deal. Think of it in another light... there are plenty of terrible players on contracts that plenty of teams would want to get rid of if they could for a need (i.e. Okur; Utah needs a SF).
As for the league losing money, I sum it this way. Bias refs. High Salaries = High Ticket Sales + Poor/Decent Team = No ticket sales (i.e. Charlotte Bobcats). Flopping. No wonder no one is watching it anymore.
You understand? You stated numerous times that Lebron's Max is only 14 million. You do understand that Amare has the same amount of years? You do understand Joe Johnson has been in the league even longer. Both of those players max deals are 16.8. Explain to me how a team with a 29 million cap room can afford almost 34 million in 2 players?
Deng is signed for 4 more years and over 50 million. That is not an attractive contract for a player who only averages 16 points tops a game. Not too many teams are going to help out the Bulls on that one. Eddy Curry as much as he sucks is an attractive trade chip because his contract is expiring and is only 11 million. Knicks can take on a longer term deal for the same money. There aren't too many players around the league who are as overpaid as Deng is. Iguodola, Brand, Monte Ellis and OKE4 are the only ones who I can think of right now.
Hawks are a little under the cap for 2010-2011 they are far under in 2011-2012 to afford a max contract free agent. I cannot picture them ruining that possibility to take on Deng and another player to offset Joe Johnsons 16 million plus.
Deng is signed for 4 more years and over 50 million. That is not an attractive contract for a player who only averages 16 points tops a game. Not too many teams are going to help out the Bulls on that one. Eddy Curry as much as he sucks is an attractive trade chip because his contract is expiring and is only 11 million. Knicks can take on a longer term deal for the same money. There aren't too many players around the league who are as overpaid as Deng is. Iguodola, Brand, Monte Ellis and OKE4 are the only ones who I can think of right now.
Hawks are a little under the cap for 2010-2011 they are far under in 2011-2012 to afford a max contract free agent. I cannot picture them ruining that possibility to take on Deng and another player to offset Joe Johnsons 16 million plus.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Deng is signed for 4 more years and over 50 million. That is not an attractive contract for a player who only averages 16 points tops a game. Not too many teams are going to help out the Bulls on that one. Eddy Curry as much as he sucks is an attractive trade chip because his contract is expiring and is only 11 million. [/QUOTE]
Deng averaged 17pts, 7rbs per game in 09-10. Yeah, he's getting too much and he'd be a hard piece to move but not impossible. Curry's contract could be valuable, but that's completely on the team making a move for 2011 free agency. Looking at http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11 I'm looking for Max Contract FA's, and I see Carmelo Anthony (if he terminates his contract early), Tim Duncan (also early termination, plus he's aging hard and I think would retire on the Spurs), and not much else. Tony Parker falls into that Joe Johnson argument to me, is he worth a max contract? He could get one. A lot of players are restricted FA's too. So unless one team absolutely knows that Carmelo is going to terminate early next year and think he'd be interested in going to their team (since players can be choosy about what market they play in), it's hard to see Curry's contract being a hot commodity....at least during the crucial first week of free agency.
Deng averaged 17pts, 7rbs per game in 09-10. Yeah, he's getting too much and he'd be a hard piece to move but not impossible. Curry's contract could be valuable, but that's completely on the team making a move for 2011 free agency. Looking at http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11 I'm looking for Max Contract FA's, and I see Carmelo Anthony (if he terminates his contract early), Tim Duncan (also early termination, plus he's aging hard and I think would retire on the Spurs), and not much else. Tony Parker falls into that Joe Johnson argument to me, is he worth a max contract? He could get one. A lot of players are restricted FA's too. So unless one team absolutely knows that Carmelo is going to terminate early next year and think he'd be interested in going to their team (since players can be choosy about what market they play in), it's hard to see Curry's contract being a hot commodity....at least during the crucial first week of free agency.
I was thinking more along the lines of the Knicks trading Curry after they get their pieces in place. OK4 could be an option if the Knicks are able to get a 2 free agents. Someone along that type. Ok4 is signed for the next 4 years and close to 50 million. I am sure the Hornets are dying to get out of that contract.
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[quote name='wildcpac']You understand? You stated numerous times that Lebron's Max is only 14 million. You do understand that Amare has the same amount of years? You do understand Joe Johnson has been in the league even longer. Both of those players max deals are 16.8. Explain to me how a team with a 29 million cap room can afford almost 34 million in 2 players? [/QUOTE]
I am just saying I GUARANTEE they get 2 guys that will/should get Max. Just stating. And yes, I know Amare and Johnson would be allowed to make way more than the 14 million I threw out.
Like I mentioned before, Deng is a solid SF. Can score if asked to, plays fairly good on the boards, and decent defense. There are lot of teams that are missing this type of player on their team. The Bulls are trying to ditch him because they think they have an opportunity on the best SF in Lebron. Deng averaged 17.6 pts on 46% shooting and 7.3 boards. Do note in the playoffs he averaged around 20 pts a game on 49% shooting. That's alot better than you make him out to be. Let's not forget he is still fairly young (25).
As for Eddy Curry, he isn't a good trade chip. No one would want to take him. The Knicks don't have anyone to package with him to make it worthwhile to take him. Remember this is the biggest free agency market. Every team, whether they have cap or not, are looking to try and make a play for players. Killing their cap by adding the worthless Curry (he isn't even playable) isn't going to help their chances.
No one expected Pau Gasol to be gift wrapped to LA or how about just this draft by Washington taking Kirk Hinrich. Personally, I feel the Hawks think they can still make a play to keep Johnson. I think this why they didn't take the deal draft night. Do note Deng has been rumored for a bunch of other teams too.
The Hornets are trying to clean off their books as best as possible (money woes). Hence, why their franchise player (Chris Paul) is already being discussed in trade offers because of his huge contract. It sounds like they have been trying to move both in a package.
I am just saying I GUARANTEE they get 2 guys that will/should get Max. Just stating. And yes, I know Amare and Johnson would be allowed to make way more than the 14 million I threw out.
Like I mentioned before, Deng is a solid SF. Can score if asked to, plays fairly good on the boards, and decent defense. There are lot of teams that are missing this type of player on their team. The Bulls are trying to ditch him because they think they have an opportunity on the best SF in Lebron. Deng averaged 17.6 pts on 46% shooting and 7.3 boards. Do note in the playoffs he averaged around 20 pts a game on 49% shooting. That's alot better than you make him out to be. Let's not forget he is still fairly young (25).
As for Eddy Curry, he isn't a good trade chip. No one would want to take him. The Knicks don't have anyone to package with him to make it worthwhile to take him. Remember this is the biggest free agency market. Every team, whether they have cap or not, are looking to try and make a play for players. Killing their cap by adding the worthless Curry (he isn't even playable) isn't going to help their chances.
No one expected Pau Gasol to be gift wrapped to LA or how about just this draft by Washington taking Kirk Hinrich. Personally, I feel the Hawks think they can still make a play to keep Johnson. I think this why they didn't take the deal draft night. Do note Deng has been rumored for a bunch of other teams too.
The Hornets are trying to clean off their books as best as possible (money woes). Hence, why their franchise player (Chris Paul) is already being discussed in trade offers because of his huge contract. It sounds like they have been trying to move both in a package.
hahahaha. You stated numerous times that Lebron only had 6 years and couldn't make over 14 million per year. I love how you do not admit to being WRONG numerous times.
Deng is a great trade chip? 4 years, 50 million plus? In a league where almost every team is losing money. SURE. Bulls still have to take on equal salary in return.
Curry isn't a great trade chip? I understand he flat out sucks, weighs 500lbs and will sit on the bench for 2011-2012. That still doesn't change the fact that a team like the Hornets could trade OK4 for Curry and save themselves 40 million and 3 years.
I never once stated that a team would trade for Curry for him to play. I stated 1000 times that he is an expiring contract. How is Eddy Curry going to hurt another teams cap? Please explain that one to me? Team A would have to trade 11 million worth of contracts for next year to the Knicks to receive Curry's 11 million deal. Trades have to be equal. I stated 1000 times as well that a team with a bad contract would/could/should trade that player to the Knicks to take Eddy Curry. That way team A would be eliminating guaranteed salary in future years.
Seriously, go read about how the NBA works because you do not have a clue.
Deng is a great trade chip? 4 years, 50 million plus? In a league where almost every team is losing money. SURE. Bulls still have to take on equal salary in return.
Curry isn't a great trade chip? I understand he flat out sucks, weighs 500lbs and will sit on the bench for 2011-2012. That still doesn't change the fact that a team like the Hornets could trade OK4 for Curry and save themselves 40 million and 3 years.
I never once stated that a team would trade for Curry for him to play. I stated 1000 times that he is an expiring contract. How is Eddy Curry going to hurt another teams cap? Please explain that one to me? Team A would have to trade 11 million worth of contracts for next year to the Knicks to receive Curry's 11 million deal. Trades have to be equal. I stated 1000 times as well that a team with a bad contract would/could/should trade that player to the Knicks to take Eddy Curry. That way team A would be eliminating guaranteed salary in future years.
Seriously, go read about how the NBA works because you do not have a clue.
Rumor is that the Knicks can offer a playoff bonus to the potential max free agents for making the playoffs. Bonus can be up to 4 million. Bulls, Heat and Cavs cannot offer that since they made the playoffs last year. Knicks were able to offer the same bonus last year to Lee and Nate.
http://www.knicksfan.net/?p=3950&ut...aign=Feed:+knicksfan/feed+(The+Knicks+FanBlog)
http://www.knicksfan.net/?p=3950&ut...aign=Feed:+knicksfan/feed+(The+Knicks+FanBlog)
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[quote name='wildcpac']Rumor is that the Knicks can offer a playoff bonus to the potential max free agents for making the playoffs. Bonus can be up to 4 million. Bulls, Heat and Cavs cannot offer that since they made the playoffs last year. Knicks were able to offer the same bonus last year to Lee and Nate.
http://www.knicksfan.net/?p=3950&ut...aign=Feed:+knicksfan/feed+(The+Knicks+FanBlog)[/QUOTE]
In relation to both posts, keep dreaming. New York isn't getting anything this offseason. Latest report shows that Lebron is really only considering four places (New Jersey, Chicago, Miami, and Cleveland).
http://www.knicksfan.net/?p=3950&ut...aign=Feed:+knicksfan/feed+(The+Knicks+FanBlog)[/QUOTE]
In relation to both posts, keep dreaming. New York isn't getting anything this offseason. Latest report shows that Lebron is really only considering four places (New Jersey, Chicago, Miami, and Cleveland).
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This thread has gone from debate and discussion to wilcpac's personal flame war. Later.
Lebron grew up about 30 miles from Cleveland and has taken the entire city upon his back. His friends, family, and local 
ing gas station all depend on Cleveland's economy, and Cleveland's economy depends upon Lebron James. You can argue money or cap room or whether or not the Hamburglar is going to be playing point for the Knicks, but Lebron likely doesn't care about money. He cares about letting the entire northeast Ohio community that has dubbed him King James down. Don't think for a second that there's not a decent chance he stays on Cleveland.
ing gas station all depend on Cleveland's economy, and Cleveland's economy depends upon Lebron James. You can argue money or cap room or whether or not the Hamburglar is going to be playing point for the Knicks, but Lebron likely doesn't care about money. He cares about letting the entire northeast Ohio community that has dubbed him King James down. Don't think for a second that there's not a decent chance he stays on Cleveland.
[quote name='JJSP']Lebron grew up about 30 miles from Cleveland and has taken the entire city upon his back. His friends, family, and local ing gas station all depend on Cleveland's economy, and Cleveland's economy depends upon Lebron James. You can argue money or cap room or whether or not the Hamburglar is going to be playing point for the Knicks, but Lebron likely doesn't care about money. He cares about letting the entire northeast Ohio community that has dubbed him King James down. Don't think for a second that there's not a decent chance he stays on Cleveland.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, if he wanted to stay in Cleveland so badly, he would have reupped his contract a long long long time ago.
ing gas station all depend on Cleveland's economy, and Cleveland's economy depends upon Lebron James. You can argue money or cap room or whether or not the Hamburglar is going to be playing point for the Knicks, but Lebron likely doesn't care about money. He cares about letting the entire northeast Ohio community that has dubbed him King James down. Don't think for a second that there's not a decent chance he stays on Cleveland.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, if he wanted to stay in Cleveland so badly, he would have reupped his contract a long long long time ago.
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