2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

General Grievous says i got this

ironic westbrook is still in this game considering he should have been fouled out before the start of 2ot
 
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looks like memphis gased out and quit but they clearly showed theyre probably the best team left in the western conference despite their record definitely no pushovers
 
Just got back from Beale Street and man, that game was intense. They refused to quit and gave it all but they got tired in 3OT and cannot stop Durant and Westbrook. Game 5 is a must win and I hope I can get a ticket for Game 6 so i can actually watch it live instead of a bar ;)

GRIT N GRIND! GO GRIZZ!
 
[quote name='vlv723']Just got back from Beale Street and man, that game was intense. They refused to quit and gave it all but they got tired in 3OT and cannot stop Durant and Westbrook. Game 5 is a must win and I hope I can get a ticket for Game 6 so i can actually watch it live instead of a bar ;)

GRIT N GRIND! GO GRIZZ![/QUOTE]

Yep saw it in person too and couldn't agree more. Best game I've ever been to by far... Giving up the 17 or 18 pt lead has been overlooked by a lot of people though and that never should have happened. Still that was an incredible game. If only we could've taken better shots in the 2OT it was ours.

I don't know how it looked on TV, but that 2nd qtr foul calling spree was insane for the Thunder. I know the Grizz only had 9 or 10 less fts, which isn't huge, but it seemed like there were 12 fouls called against the Grizz in that span. That combined with some poor Grizz decision making in the 2nd and 3rd qts cost the lead and almost the game.
 
Some tweets from Dwight Howard about his contract stuff.

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/savage_end_the_speculation_dwight_howard_free_agency_051011.html

“Y does it seem like the writers of Orlando sentinel are tryna push me out of Orlando with dumb articles,” Howard said via Twitter. “It's annoying. Can I enjoy my summer and get ready for next season in Orlando. Pls. Same thing u guys did to Shaq. Smh”

Howard then continued his tweeting by emphasizing his love for the city and for the franchise that drafted him.

“I ain’t left or trying to,” he added. “I'm not blaming the media. I'm saying stop with the dumb articles … I jus don't want Orlando fans to believe them. Cuz they don't know. I love my city.”
Click to expand...

Hope he stays true to the last one!
 
No one watching the heat game?

Boston trying to survive but it looks like the heat might pull it out. The C's look old but are playing well.


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Bron is playing pretty shitty and the heat role players are blowing a lot of possession with stupid shots.
 
AND THEY ARE LEADING!!!! James is hitting big shots although he has played rather poorly this entire time.

For those of you missing this game...you are really missing out.


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OOOOOHHHH SHIT!!!! LBJ with the killer 3 in Pauls face!!
 
WOOOOOOO!!! I love how LBJ looks back at PP and then dunks!


GOODBYE C's you over rated fucking bums...media treats you like some type of dynasty even though you only have 1 ring.

Its too bad you couldnt fake a wheel chair injury there Paul and then come back.


Wait wait wait.....did any notice that Perice and KG didnt shake anyone's hand and just left the court? Uhhh isnt this the same thing people bitch on LBJ for a couple years ago? Yeah...looks like it flows both ways.
 
lol celtics

miami looking like monkeys calm down you havent won the title yet this shit still goes through bulls who most likely wont fall apart in the 4th like that

lol @ them making a big deal about lebron+wade beating the celtics when they had to join forces just to do it because they couldnt do it before on their own nothing to be proud of imo
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I fucking love that shot of Danny Ainge on the verge of tears. It's time to take the old ass Celtics out behind the barn and put them out of their misery.[/QUOTE]
He did that when he traded Perkins. The window closed on the Celtics because he closed it with that trade. Complete disaster.

They didn't want to pay him because they want to make a run at Howard in 2012 but if thats the case, let Perkins walk after this season and hope for a lockout.
 
[quote name='renique46']lol celtics

miami looking like monkeys calm down you havent won the title yet this shit still goes through bulls who most likely wont fall apart in the 4th like that

lol @ them making a big deal about lebron+wade beating the celtics when they had to join forces just to do it because they couldnt do it before on their own nothing to be proud of imo[/QUOTE]


Get the fuck out of here.....Ray Allen couldnt win shit on his own...neither could KG. 2 hall of famers who joined forces so they could win. But apparently that doesnt count.
 
dafoomie, I feel for you brother as you are one of the very few C's fans that isnt a bandwagon fan.

What do you think your team has to do now?
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']dafoomie, I feel for you brother as you are one of the very few C's fans that isnt a bandwagon fan.

What do you think your team has to do now?[/QUOTE]
Pray for a lockout and sign Dwight Howard in 2012. Their starters faded because of all the minutes they were playing down the stretch, thats why they got Green, but center was a position they couldn't afford to trade away and Green was the wrong guy for their team. None of the moves they made worked out.

They won't do much in the offseason because they don't want any contracts on the books beyond 11/12. Best case scenario for them is having the season completely wiped out.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Get the fuck out of here.....Ray Allen couldnt win shit on his own...neither could KG. 2 hall of famers who joined forces so they could win. But apparently that doesnt count.[/QUOTE]

lol veterans joining up in their damn 30's with probably their best days behind them being compared to a bunch of people currently in their prime good job on the comparison and i was talking about not being able to get by a certain team vs winning it by yourself
 
If the Bulls win tomorrow, then it will be Bulls vs Heat.

Who do you guys think would win that match-up?
-The Heat have obviously played better than the Bulls (this coming from a Bulls Fan)
-But the Bulls do have home field advantage and the MVP who while isnt shooting great, is scoring alot...

I could see it going to the Heat but regardless GO BULLS!
 
[quote name='renique46']lol veterans joining up in their damn 30's with probably their best days behind them being compared to a bunch of people currently in their prime good job on the comparison and i was talking about not being able to get by a certain team vs winning it by yourself[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I guess its smarter to waste the best years of your career first while beating your head against the wall and then cop out and abandon your team after 15 years.

:roll:

One ring for the C's and their window is already closing.

Do me a favor...ask Steve Nash how it feels to be a HOF with no ring...or Jason Kidd, Dirk, Joe Johnson. These guys although fantastic will be forgotten almost instantly when they retire. No ring = no legacy.

I love how people just hate the Heat because they were smart enough to just do it sooner rather than later. News flash....none of them give a shit about the "doing it yourself" motto. This is new times...update and adjust or get left behind.
 
Russell Westbrook, 2011 playoffs: 22.1 shots per game, 40.2% FG, 26.1 PPG
Derrick Rose, 2011 playoffs: 24.2 shots per game, 40.9% FG, 29.8 PPG

If Westbrook is "Chuckbrook," is Rose "Derbrick Rose"?
 
Actually if the Heat don't get a ring. They could do a few things in the off-season. Ditch Bosh, sign a dominate center (Big Z is too old) beef up the bench a little they would be good go.


But we will see. Maybe LBJ finally has the support he needs to get that ring he sure as hell couldn't do it by himself with the Cavs.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Yeah, I guess its smarter to waste the best years of your career first while beating your head against the wall and then cop out and abandon your team after 15 years.

:roll:

One ring for the C's and their window is already closing.

Do me a favor...ask Steve Nash how it feels to be a HOF with no ring...or Jason Kidd, Dirk, Joe Johnson. These guys although fantastic will be forgotten almost instantly when they retire. No ring = no legacy.

I love how people just hate the Heat because they were smart enough to just do it sooner rather than later. News flash....none of them give a shit about the "doing it yourself" motto. This is new times...update and adjust or get left behind.[/QUOTE]

the no ring = no legacy quote is false. Great players are great players. Ring or not. Barkley, Stockton, Dirk, Lebron, Iverson, Ewing, K.Malone, Kidd, etc. are all first ballot hall of famers regardless of their lack of a title. Just getting to the Finals is a big accomplishment in the top heavy NBA where legends like Nash, Dominique (and probably Melo) will never set foot. We still think and talk about all of those guys I listed. They haven't exactly gone the way of Chuck Person just because they quit without a ring.

With that being said I do agree that the Heat players were smart. Jordan, Bird, Shaq, Magic, Kobe, etc all had multiple All Star/HOF calibur teammates. Why bash Lebron for joining that list?
 
Its not that they came together, its the way it went down that bothered people. There's a perception that LeBron and Bosh quit on their teams knowing how it would go down in the offseason. The spectacle with "the decision" was awful as well.

Some people look at them differently because the perception is that the three of them came together and made it happen vs a team making those moves to bring them together.

Plus there's some resentment that fashionable warm weather cities like Miami and LA are the most attractive destinations for NBA players.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']
Do me a favor...ask Steve Nash how it feels to be a HOF with no ring...or Jason Kidd, Dirk, Joe Johnson. These guys although fantastic will be forgotten almost instantly when they retire. No ring = no legacy.
[/QUOTE]

I was just cruising through this thread and wasn't planning on saying anything but this must be addressed. I'm not even sure where to begin. You list 4 players which if I read this correctly are 4 HOF players without a ring. Assuming I am interpreting this correctly you are saying Joe Johnson is a HOF player. Kidd, Dirk, and Nash will definitely be in the HOF. There is absolutely no way in HELL that Joe Johnson will ever be in the HOF. Why the hell did you list him with those other 3 players?

The other part that must be addressed is the whole no ring = no legacy crap. I guess it is true that if you don't get a ring you will be instantly forgotten once you retire. I can't remember any players who didn't w........wait a minute. Hmm lol I guess I forgot about: George Gervin, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. There seems to be a little hole in your logic. There have been lots of great players and HOF players without rings that still have a great legacy.

No one will forget those names I listed along with others. No one is going to forget Jason Kidd and the insane amount of triple doubles he put up, along with multiple trips to the NBA Finals and greatly improving his shooting and becoming the player with the 3rd most 3 pt field goals in NBA history.

No one will forget Steve Nash who has been one of the best passing PGs ever and who also won back-to-back MVPs and was in contention to get a third straight MVP.

No one will forget Dirk who is arguably the best European player ever in the NBA and the best shooting big man ever, who has a very unique game and makes shots that no one else has.

And for good measure get Joe Johnson the hell out of the HOF conversation with those other players.
 
[quote name='bg88']I was just cruising through this thread and wasn't planning on saying anything but this must be addressed. I'm not even sure where to begin. You list 4 players which if I read this correctly are 4 HOF players without a ring. Assuming I am interpreting this correctly you are saying Joe Johnson is a HOF player. Kidd, Dirk, and Nash will definitely be in the HOF. There is absolutely no way in HELL that Joe Johnson will ever be in the HOF. Why the hell did you list him with those other 3 players?

The other part that must be addressed is the whole no ring = no legacy crap. I guess it is true that if you don't get a ring you will be instantly forgotten once you retire. I can't remember any players who didn't w........wait a minute. Hmm lol I guess I forgot about: George Gervin, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. There seems to be a little hole in your logic. There have been lots of great players and HOF players without rings that still have a great legacy.

No one will forget those names I listed along with others. No one is going to forget Jason Kidd and the insane amount of triple doubles he put up, along with multiple trips to the NBA Finals and greatly improving his shooting and becoming the player with the 3rd most 3 pt field goals in NBA history.

No one will forget Steve Nash who has been one of the best passing PGs ever and who also won back-to-back MVPs and was in contention to get a third straight MVP.

No one will forget Dirk who is arguably the best European player ever in the NBA and the best shooting big man ever, who has a very unique game and makes shots that no one else has.

And for good measure get Joe Johnson the hell out of the HOF conversation with those other players.[/QUOTE]

Rotf
 
I love how everyone bashes Lebron yet they give Joe Johnson a free pass.

Joe Johnson single-handedly locked his team into "average" status for the next 5-6 years.
 
[quote name='antlp89']I love how everyone bashes Lebron yet they give Joe Johnson a free pass.

Joe Johnson single-handedly locked his team into "average" status for the next 5-6 years.[/QUOTE]

Average... they took down a good Magic team who handed them their ass last year. They currently are only 1 game down to the regular season best record Bulls. To me, they look better than an "average" team. Remember Hinrich has been out during this.

Though, I agree with everyone that Joe Johnson is not worthy of HOF status.
 
[quote name='yukine']I don't buy into the ring/legacy crap, when Kobe retires I'll think of his talent on the court, not how many rings he obtained.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I tend to think of "on the court" moments before yearly stats, mvp awards, or rings. Titles are an after thought. An added bonus.

Reggie and the knicks. Iverson stepping over Lue. Jordan over Ehlo. Kobe's 81. Nash playing looking like his nose got torn off. That's the stuff I remember. Rings are big but definitely not essential to being legendary. To say you're instantly forgotten is laughable.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Its not that they came together, its the way it went down that bothered people. There's a perception that LeBron and Bosh quit on their teams knowing how it would go down in the offseason. The spectacle with "the decision" was awful as well.
[/QUOTE]

"The Decision" and that Lebron didn't tell the Cavs in person before that was the only thing that bothered me.

If anything, even though I don't like him or the Heat, I found it mildly refreshing that some big name players were willing to take a bit less money and give up the individual need to be "the man" in order to try and win a championship. This is a team sport that's been far to focused on individual stars the past few decades.
 
[quote name='antlp89']I love how everyone bashes Lebron yet they give Joe Johnson a free pass.

Joe Johnson single-handedly locked his team into "average" status for the next 5-6 years.[/QUOTE]

I blame Atlanta not Joe Johnson. Franchises kill their own potential with stupid offers. Memphis is having a good run but they're going to be in salary cap hell if they resign Gasol just because of grossly overpaying others. Kobe will take up 50percent of the cap for LA but they have a rare owner that overspends and pays the tax. Being a middle team is the worst. You're 2nd round material at best and you'll never get a star in the draft.
 
[quote name='iversonwii']Yep. I tend to think of "on the court" moments before yearly stats, mvp awards, or rings. Titles are an after thought. An added bonus.

Reggie and the knicks. Iverson stepping over Lue. Jordan over Ehlo. Kobe's 81. Nash playing looking like his nose got torn off. That's the stuff I remember. Rings are big but definitely not essential to being legendary. To say you're instantly forgotten is laughable.[/QUOTE]

You missed one of the best moments: Vince dunking over the 7 foot French player.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Russell Westbrook, 2011 playoffs: 22.1 shots per game, 40.2% FG, 26.1 PPG
Derrick Rose, 2011 playoffs: 24.2 shots per game, 40.9% FG, 29.8 PPG

If Westbrook is "Chuckbrook," is Rose "Derbrick Rose"?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think Rose is shooting way too much, but Westbrook has the option of Durant, so he has no reason to be shooting that much.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']"The Decision" and that Lebron didn't tell the Cavs in person before that was the only thing that bothered me.

If anything, even though I don't like him or the Heat, I found it mildly refreshing that some big name players were willing to take a bit less money and give up the individual need to be "the man" in order to try and win a championship. This is a team sport that's been far to focused on individual stars the past few decades.[/QUOTE]
Lebron disrespected every single Cavs fan with the way he turned his free agency into a media circus without showing any respect for the fans that supported him for seven years to get to where he was at that point. The only way that he wasn't going to be hated here was if he came back after all of that, but he can at least take comfort in that he's not as bad as Art Modell. Waiting ten months to apologize to his former fans for the way he acted is way too long to expect any forgiveness and understanding. He should not have said anything and just embraced his villain status in the NBA.

I'm hoping that he doesn't win the title this year as a karmic response to the free agency fiasco, though I'm not sure if I'll care beyond that.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I found this fact interesting: this will be the first Finals since 1998 without Duncan, Kobe, or Shaq involved.[/QUOTE]

Crazier fact: only 8 teams since 1980 have won a title - reason enough to root against the Bulls and Heat. Also, the Lakers have been to 16 freaking Finals during that time - averaging more than one every other year. Talk about a spoiled fan base.
 
[quote name='Javery']Crazier fact: only 8 teams since 1980 have won a title - reason enough to root against the Bulls and Heat.[/QUOTE]

That is pretty crazy, especially when you compare it to the NFL (15) and MLB (19) in that same period.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']That is pretty crazy, especially when you compare it to the NFL (15) and MLB (19) in that same period.[/QUOTE]

Well, with basketball having only 5 starters and usually only 8 or 9 players getting real minutes, it's easier to build dynasties around a superstar or two.
 
[quote name='yukine']I don't buy into the ring/legacy crap, when Kobe retires I'll think of his talent on the court, not how many rings he obtained.[/QUOTE]

So, you'll think of him roughly in the same terms that you do Clyde Drexler, Pau Gasol, Dr. J, Yao Ming, and Adrian Dantley?

His per possession stats suggest that level of performance. And that's assuming he doesn't fall off in the next few years.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']So, you'll think of him roughly in the same terms that you do Clyde Drexler, Pau Gasol, Dr. J, Yao Ming, and Adrian Dantley?

His per possession stats suggest that level of performance. And that's assuming he doesn't fall off in the next few years.[/QUOTE]

Let's not start on the PER argument again.:) That being said, Clyde Drexler and Dr. J are thought of as some of the best players of their time.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Yeah, I think Rose is shooting way too much, but Westbrook has the option of Durant, so he has no reason to be shooting that much.[/QUOTE]

I do agree that Westbrook shouldn't shoot so frequently, but Westbrook shouldering the load does allow Durant to rest at times offensively. Rose also has two teammates who have scored 20 PPG over a full season before, Westbrook does not.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Let's not start on the PER argument again.:) That being said, Clyde Drexler and Dr. J are thought of as some of the best players of their time.[/QUOTE]

Not just PER (PER skews results towards players who shoot frequently more than my liking), but also Win Shares and Win Shares per 48 minutes.

Clyde and Dr. J were indeed some of the best players of their time, but there's a big difference between top ten/twenty of your time and top twenty (or worse, top ten in the narrative surrounding Kobe) of all-time.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']I do agree that Westbrook shouldn't shoot so frequently, but Westbrook shouldering the load does allow Durant to rest at times offensively. Rose also has two teammates who have scored 20 PPG over a full season before, Westbrook does not.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's pretty clear that Deng is going to be the defensive stopper, so I think that's why he isn't shooting as much. I'm not really sure what's going on with Boozer, he really hasn't looked too great since the playoffs started, and I'm not sure you can blame Rose for that. He's looked a lot slower then he normally is, and that's saying something.
 
You guys are crazy, one I didnt mean for Joe Johnson to be in the HOF conversation...he is simply considered a all star. (I dont even like the guy) Although I should have put a space or something to make sure he wasnt assumed to be in the same conversation. My bad.

Also, Steve Nash and those guys will be forgotten (this isnt to say they are not amazing)...ummmmm how many times have you heard John Stockon's name in the last couple years? Uhhh none. How about Malone? No go...

And to Dmaul what about your boy Shawn Kemp who likely is top 3 in
oh shit...on the court moments," no mention anywhere. Chris Webber? 5 time all star no mention anywhere. Dikembe Mutombo? One of the greatest defenders of all time 8 time all star 6 time defensive all star. No press. Why isnt Reggie Miller mentioned with the greatest of all time even though he clearly is...and probably leads the world in on the court moments....oh yea..no ring means no one cares. (Although he is an amazing commentator) The greatest big man of all time in Patrick Ewing barely gets mentioned when talking about the big men of this generation.



I will agree with on the court play mixed with rings = legacy but to say that rings dont mean anything is crazy. In the worlds most famous quote...you play to win the game not to look good for a while then retire.

Now excuse me as I watch a tv ad with Larry Bird.
 
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