2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='lordopus99']Losing these pieces would be major if they actually did something else off the team, which they didn't. Instead they have gone back to being bench players or on the IR. West was traded so obviously the franchise didn't feel his worth. He was then cut by Minn, a team that has had issues themselves. Shaq and Z are has-beens that can't stay healthy, let alone play significant minutes when they are asked.[/quote]
A player's worth on one team shouldn't be based on how well they do in a completely different situation.

Miami barely uses their centers and nobody signs Shaq without taking the downtime into consideration, but he managed to stay healthy for a long time in Cleveland. Delonte was traded because he was a huge risk to continue paying big money for after the motorcycle incident and a likely suspension to start the season after the trial, so they traded him to Minnesota for them to cut to get rid of his contract. That was the whole point of the trade and Danny Ainge knew that since he was waiting for
[quote name='lordopus99']Injuries the problem? an example in point...
Dec 7, 2010 - All "injured" players playing - Philly crushed them 117-97.

If Williams was so huge, why did he also get dealt for an aged B Diddy? Let me answer that for you. It was because the minutes he did played were so lackadaisical.

You forgot to add Jamison (56) and Gibson (67). They meet your criteria.

Again, I base their worth (current and ex-Cavs members from 2009-10 season) on what they do this season as they have lost the factor of Lebron James on their teams i.e. Lebron was double/triple coverage, leaving others open.[/QUOTE]
They lost to Philly early on? I'm very surprised. I could've sworn that they were perfect until Varejao was injured. They were clearly not a great team before the injury and they didn't improve afterwards. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove.

I never said they were huge players, but that losing them when the team couldn't afford any injuries to begin with diminished the team's chances of winning greatly. Mo's first game back from his injury was when they broke the 26 game streak against LAC, so he did have an impact.

Mo was traded for the Clippers' 1st round draft pick. I don't know how you could have missed that. Not having any picks last year killed any chance of adding some good young talent, so now having two lottery picks and two second round picks gives them a great shot at adding some quality talent to help them rebuild.

Once again, the whole point of this was to show that the difference between the Cavs last year and this year was not just Lebron as you claimed. Lebron was a big part of the reason that they won, but not everything. He would not have won 60+ games with this year's team, as he's not that good.
 
[quote name='iversonwii']Had Westbrook played this style all series long OKC would've won in 5 games. Durant should always be the first option. That was an asskicking.[/QUOTE]

While the 3's were falling it certainly wasn't an asskicking. I would say Memphis beat themselves by not making so many shots at the rim this series. Other than Games 1, 2, and 3, the Grizzlies missed a ton of shots near or at the rim. You may credit it to OKC's defense but for whatever reason those shots just didn't fall. Incredibly frustrating to watch as a Grizzlies fan.

Grizz need to make sure and keep OJ and Rudy will add that needed extra threat from outside.

I would love to see the Thunder win it all but the way they start slow and pick it up as it goes along will hurt them as they play the veteran Mavs.
 
Lebron better get that tissue box ready because the Bulls are killing Miami. Almost a 20 point lead. :rofl:
 
[quote name='docvinh']Miami has a depth problem. Wade looked really tired tonight.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls Bench shhhhh Taj Gibson out played the Miami Bench
 
[quote name='thamaster24']While the 3's were falling it certainly wasn't an asskicking. I would say Memphis beat themselves by not making so many shots at the rim this series. Other than Games 1, 2, and 3, the Grizzlies missed a ton of shots near or at the rim. You may credit it to OKC's defense but for whatever reason those shots just didn't fall. Incredibly frustrating to watch as a Grizzlies fan.

Grizz need to make sure and keep OJ and Rudy will add that needed extra threat from outside.

I would love to see the Thunder win it all but the way they start slow and pick it up as it goes along will hurt them as they play the veteran Mavs.[/QUOTE]

It'll be interesting in Memphis with keeping Gasol and not overspending. They honestly have much better chemistry without Rudy. Its a shame the guy in my username didn't want to suck it up and stick around. He wouldve either taken Conleys job in a few weeks or been added offense off the bench. Today was definitely a game when they couldve used a playoff veteran.

They'll be a consistent playoff team I think. I have them on par with the Hawks.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']The Bulls Bench shhhhh Taj Gibson out played the Miami Bench[/QUOTE]

I loved his two monster dunks in the game. He was on fire tonight.
 
The Bulls' D, with Rose off the floor, is the best defense in the history of the NBA. Asik, Gibson, and Brewer on the floor together is an absolute force.

It's going to be a short series.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']The Bulls' D, with Rose off the floor, is the best defense in the history of the NBA.[/QUOTE]Whoa! Whoa! Step back from the hyperbole ledge.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Whoa! Whoa! Step back from the hyperbole ledge.[/QUOTE]

Opponents points per 100 possessions would agree, both by itself and in comparison to league average.

Even with Rose on the floor for ~75% of the team's minutes this season, the Bulls led the NBA in defense and rebounding.
 
[quote name='docvinh']It's obvious they should be starting C.J. Watson instead.[/QUOTE]

Na, as much as I slam Rose, the Bulls are still slightly better with him on the floor than they are with him off.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Na, as much as I slam Rose, the Bulls are still slightly better with him on the floor than they are with him off.[/QUOTE]

Forgot to put the smiley face, I was just messing with you.:) Who does everyone got in the West, Mavs or Thunder? I'm going with the Mavs, Dirk has been playing great.
 
That Mavs vs. Thunder series is going to be another great one. I think that you got to go with Dallas. I think OKC will be very competitive though, I am going with Mavs in 6. It doesnt matter what any of them do because the NBA Champion is going to come out of the East (Bulls) this year.
 
Yeah, of the remaining teams I'd like to see the Mavs win it all. I'd like to see Dirk and Jason Kidd get rings finally.

Otherwise, I don't really care. I don't have any real rooting interests for or against any of the 4 remaining teams.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, of the remaining teams I'd like to see the Mavs win it all. I'd like to see Dirk and Jason Kidd get rings finally.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.

If Westbrook can learn his role and play within that (ie create offense not try to force bad shots especially in transition), I think it's going to be a great series. If he plays another 30 points on 30 shots game, I think the Mavs should take care of the series rather quickly. They way he played in that 7th game against Memphis was stellar, so I guess we'll see who shows up for this series.
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']Honest question for those with a historical perspective: who had the better supporting cast, relative to the talent faced in their respective playoff runs - Hakeem Olajuwon in 1994 or LeBron James in 2009 and 2010?[/QUOTE]

I think Olajuwon had the better supporting cast. I know he had Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Mario Elie - dudes that could shoot - although all of those guys were pretty young and inexperienced at the time. Also, I'd put Hakeem in the top 10 all time. LeBron might get there eventually but he's not there yet.
 
[quote name='Javery']I think Olajuwon had the better supporting cast. I know he had Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Mario Elie - dudes that could shoot - although all of those guys were pretty young and inexperienced at the time. Also, I'd put Hakeem in the top 10 all time. LeBron might get there eventually but he's not there yet.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget they also had Otis Thorpe and Kenny Smith. That Rockets team was actually pretty deep.
 
come on Cavs, lets get the #1 and #2 pick. i'll be happy with any combination of irving, derrick williams, or kanter

edit, also lets go mavs!!!
 
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Mo Williams was a great investment, as the Cavs turned him into a top four pick.

I like that Joe Haden managed to get into the Lottery crowd, though he does go to a lot of Cavs/Indians games since he has a lot of free time right now. :lol:
 
lol dallas fans booing durant when dirk gets away with similar shit every other game

extra lol to clippers for once again being cursed
 
Damn. Dirk and JJ are unstoppable at the pick and roll. JJ is way too fast and dirk is just way too damn good.. You can't over commit on JJ or else you leave Dirk wide open.. Yet if you don't Barea is blowing by dudes every possession.. How do you play D on that?
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']Damn. Dirk and JJ are unstoppable at the pick and roll. JJ is way too fast and dirk is just way too damn good.. You can't over commit on JJ or else you leave Dirk wide open.. Yet if you don't Barea is blowing by dudes every possession.. How do you play D on that?[/QUOTE]

Kinda hard to play d against dirk when any minimal contact or soft touch sends him to the line and its almost making durants random phantom calls look tame compared some of the soft touch garbage that was called for dirk not to mention him being allowed to get away with flagrants
 
[quote name='renique46']Kinda hard to play d against dirk when any minimal contact or soft touch sends him to the line and its almost making durants random phantom calls look tame compared some of the soft touch garbage that was called for dirk not to mention him being allowed to get away with flagrants[/QUOTE]


Wow, all you do is bitch about the Mavs, grow the fuck up.
 
Sorry i hurt your feelings bro my bad if you like games where both teams spent half the time at the ft line from either phantom fouls (durant chuckbrook) or soft minimal contact (dallas) otherwise stfu

in other news LOL kahn

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6560322

Wolves general manager David Kahn said he knew Minnesota was "dead" when it got down to the final three of himself, Utah executive Kevin O'Connor and Nick Gilbert.



"This league has a habit, and I am just going to say habit, of producing some pretty incredible story lines," Kahn said. "Last year it was Abe Pollin's widow and this year it was a 14-year-old boy and the only thing we have in common is we have both been bar mitzvahed. We were done. I told Kevin: 'We're toast.' This is not happening for us and I was right."
 
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Too bad for the Cavs, you catch a break and get the 1st and 4th pick which is amazing. Whats not amazing? This years draft class. This is one of worst draft classes of all time, better hope your Euro scouts are doing their homework because thats were the best crop of talent is going to come from.

Also, the cavs failed to put a legit team around Bron for 8 years I doubt they have the ability to find diamonds in the rocks of this class.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Too bad for the Cavs, you catch a break and get the 1st and 4th pick which is amazing. Whats not amazing? This years draft class. This is one of worst draft classes of all time, better hope your Euro scouts are doing their homework because thats were the best crop of talent is going to come from.

Also, the cavs failed to put a legit team around Bron for 8 years I doubt they have the ability to find diamonds in the rocks of this class.[/QUOTE]

it doesnt matter if this draft isn't "deep" we don't need it to be deep considering we have the first pick. I think we can both agree that irving will be a stud and the Cavs managed to grab him. also, if there is a lockout next season, cavs are going to be stacked with you talent when the NBA returns, irving and an unknown #4 pick this year (kanter?), then they will have a top 5 pick in the 2012 draft which will be one of the best drafts since 2003.
 
It's still not a great year to have the 1 and 4 picks. It's not just that there's a lack of depth, there aren't any surefire studs--Lebron, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose types in the draft.

I'm not sold on Irving. Honestly, I'd go with Derrick Williams number 1 if I was the Cavs as I think he has the best chance of becoming a super star out of the people currently projected in the top 10 in mock drafts. I think Irving will be a very good player, just not convinced he'll become a superstar worthy of the number 1 overall pick (same with John Wall last year).

So I'd take Williams #1 and then take maybe Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker number 4 if they really need a point guard (as that would be reaching a few spots for both of them--so maybe they could trade down a couple spots and get one of them).

I think at times the importance of point guards gets overstated in the NBA. Look at the 90s Bulls and 2000s on Lakers dynasties. Lots of titles with guys like Paxon and Fisher at PG. While a guy like Stockton never wins a title and Chris Paul's teams have never made much noise in the playoffs.

So I'd only use a top 3 pick on a PG in the Derrrick Rose or Magic Johnson molds--guys that are going to be major scorers rather than floor general types. You can get a fine floor general lower in the draft or in free agency etc. Spend high draft picks on guys who are going to be your main go to guy on offense.
 
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Flava Flav said it best "Don't believe the Hype".

I am not sold on Irving either.

The dude missed half the season due to injury. On top of that, he played for Coach K i.e. run off multiple screens. With that, he played with ACC Player of the Year Nolan Smith and last year stud Kyle Singler. Trust me, the guy had plenty of opening since teams were trying to stop those two.

Good luck to all teams finding a star from this draft class.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's still not a great year to have the 1 and 4 picks. It's not just that there's a lack of depth, there aren't any surefire studs--Lebron, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose types in the draft.

I'm not sold on Irving. Honestly, I'd go with Derrick Williams number 1 if I was the Cavs as I think he has the best chance of becoming a super star out of the people currently projected in the top 10 in mock drafts. I think Irving will be a very good player, just not convinced he'll become a superstar worthy of the number 1 overall pick (same with John Wall last year).

So I'd take Williams #1 and then take maybe Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker number 4 if they really need a point guard (as that would be reaching a few spots for both of them--so maybe they could trade down a couple spots and get one of them).

I think at times the importance of point guards gets overstated in the NBA. Look at the 90s Bulls and 2000s on Lakers dynasties. Lots of titles with guys like Paxon and Fisher at PG. While a guy like Stockton never wins a title and Chris Paul's teams have never made much noise in the playoffs.

So I'd only use a top 3 pick on a PG in the Derrrick Rose or Magic Johnson molds--guys that are going to be major scorers rather than floor general types. You can get a fine floor general lower in the draft or in free agency etc. Spend high draft picks on guys who are going to be your main go to guy on offense.[/QUOTE]

The triangle offense doesn't need a superstar point guard. It only needs them to be spot up shooters.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It's still not a great year to have the 1 and 4 picks. It's not just that there's a lack of depth, there aren't any surefire studs--Lebron, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose types in the draft.

I'm not sold on Irving. Honestly, I'd go with Derrick Williams number 1 if I was the Cavs as I think he has the best chance of becoming a super star out of the people currently projected in the top 10 in mock drafts. I think Irving will be a very good player, just not convinced he'll become a superstar worthy of the number 1 overall pick (same with John Wall last year).

So I'd take Williams #1 and then take maybe Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker number 4 if they really need a point guard (as that would be reaching a few spots for both of them--so maybe they could trade down a couple spots and get one of them).

I think at times the importance of point guards gets overstated in the NBA. Look at the 90s Bulls and 2000s on Lakers dynasties. Lots of titles with guys like Paxon and Fisher at PG. While a guy like Stockton never wins a title and Chris Paul's teams have never made much noise in the playoffs.

So I'd only use a top 3 pick on a PG in the Derrick Rose or Magic Johnson molds--guys that are going to be major scorers rather than floor general types. You can get a fine floor general lower in the draft or in free agency etc. Spend high draft picks on guys who are going to be your main go to guy on offense.[/QUOTE]


I have to disagree here. This is the kind of thinking that got Clippers to take Michael Olowokandi over Mike Biddy and Atlanta, Portland and Milwaukee to pass on Chris Paul or Deron Williams. I don't see Derrick Williams being the can't miss big man like Griffin, while Irving have a much higher ceiling.
 
Derrick Williams isn't a big man. He was 3 in college, and probably will end up more of a combo 2/3 in the NBA.

But yeah, I agree that drafting just on size is a huge mistake as well as there's been tons of big man busts.

Unless there's a surefire big man like Dwight Howard or Shaq in the draft, I'd focus on the 2/3 position with high picks as that's where you get your scorers that can carry a team.

Again, Chris Paul and Deron Williams, as great of PGs as they are, haven't came anywhere near a title. Floor general point guards can't get a bad team to the next level as they need a lot of talent around them.

If you want to turn the corner from a crappy team to a good one, you need to find the next Kobe Bryant/Lebron James/Dwayne Wade type player.

The NBA is really dominated by the 2/3 position. Even the great bigs like Shaq had great players at those positions like Kobe and Wade when they won titles. Point guards can be a big help, but more so if they're a scoring type like Rose or Tony Parker. But the floor generals like Paul can't lead a team to a title if they don't have scorer's around them.

For instance, I wasn't all that excited when the Magic where trying to get Chris Paul last off season. Swapping him in for Nelson would definitely have been an upgrade. But it wouldn't have gotten them a title IMO as they'd still be running the same shitty offense and pretending that Howard was going to suddenly turn into Shaq and dominate putting up 30 points a game etc.

The Magic need a new offense led by a Kobe/Lebron/Wade type perimeter player to pair with Howard, like Shaq had Hardaway/Kobe/Wade throughout his prime.

The Cavs need everything, so no point to start with a floor general type PG who'd have little talent to work with. Take a chance at getting some stud scorers and pick up a free agent point guard to pair with them.
 
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