2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='madbst']The two people saying the finals were bad are the two Heat fans still in the closet. Maybe next year Lebron will get his prized ring (in the best finals ever) and they'll come out of the closet.[/QUOTE]


Lmao, so true! Ive been watching the NBA a long long time, this was greatness. Being a mav fan for 30 years makes this especially good, but it was a great series, and a very tough one, great win MAVS!!! :bouncy:
 
One day I might go back through this thread and quote all the Soodmegs a _____ fan because we are going on about my 12th accused loyalty.(Just to remind everyone I am officially not a fan of any 1 basketball team I just like basketball) Which is funny because just last year I spent half a page trying to convince people to put Dirk in a greatest of all time discussion. I just felt like both teams didnt play to the highest level it reminded me so much of the maybe the 05 Superbowl where the Ravens broke the record for the most punts. I was just prepared for constant lead changes, constant momentum changes, those moments where some hits a dagger. What I got was Dallas just not playing well the first 3 games but the Heat choking hardcore and then Dallas playing pretty good and the Heat sucking ball sack. Maybe I bought into the hype too much because I was ready with the pizza, beer and snacks for the beginning and by the end I barely even watched a full QRT.


Also for the love of god dont put he in the same boat has this dumbass renique guy. I have been in this thread since day 1 talking hoops across multiple years this guy just showed up for the play offs and he has only talked about the Heat thus far.

EDIT: One more thing, I have always defended the big three and how they came together. I still feel that players have the right to try and get on the best team including of course Bron Bron. *Cue my Jamaican accent---- Ba dis mudda fucka dis making it real hod Bron...seriously...shut the fuck up.
 
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Congrats to Dirk, Terry, Kidd, and Marion for getting their rings.

As for Miami, they made the Finals, which is an accomplishment for a completely new team. I don't forsee this being the last time them making the Finals. Trust me, they will get theirs.

As for "Cleveland get the last laugh" that I see floating around the net, James got the last laugh. Lebron made the Finals, Cleveland only won 19 games.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Hopefully this season just fires up the heat for next year. I'd love to see Lebron get a ring.[/QUOTE]

Why? Are you a fan of major primadonnas who fall completely apart when it matters most?

Oh and he hates regular working folks.

I understand Lebron is the best basketball player in terms of pure skills that we've ever seen in the NBA. But he's a punk and a loser.
 
I am more sad that D-Wade and Bosh as well as Miller and Halsem didnt get a ring.

D-Wade played his god damn heart out and it really showed, same with Bosh although his production was spotty he did come up big in a lot of games. Miller and Halsem might not have filled the stat lines but they played really hard.

Its a shame that Bron couldnt get his shit together and pull it out because the Heat has some class A guys on their roster.

Thats one of the things that annoy me the most, everyone says they HATE the Heat but really they just hate Bron. Their outright hatred for the guy colors their view of the team to the point that its almost laughable.
 
Bosh at one point was in a rhythm and looked pretty good .... so Spoelstra decided he needed to get Bron the ball more.

Dwade had an off night last night too but he played well during the series.
 
This. I wish Dan Gilbert would stfu, because if he wasn't so cheap, LeBron might have stayed.

[quote name='lordopus99']

As for "Cleveland get the last laugh" that I see floating around the net, James got the last laugh. Lebron made the Finals, Cleveland only won 19 games.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='docvinh']This. I wish Dan Gilbert would stfu, because if he wasn't so cheap, LeBron might have stayed.[/QUOTE]

Wtf? I'm no dan Gilbert fan but Cleveland(or any other team in a tax state) wouldn't have been able to afford wade, bosh, bron.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Thats one of the things that annoy me the most, everyone says they HATE the Heat but really they just hate Bron. Their outright hatred for the guy colors their view of the team to the point that its almost laughable.[/QUOTE]

Not for me (or any other Knicks fan). I've hated this loser franchise with their bandwagon fans for almost 20 years. Ever since the 90s battles when Van Gundy was clinging to Alonzo's leg. When the Knicks (#8) knocked out the Heat (#1) it was one of the best moments I can remember as a Knicks fan (since I wasn't born when they won their last title). In all of the major sports, my level of hatred for teams probably goes Eagles, Cowboys, Phillies, Heat, Redskins, all 4 Boston teams. Eff the Heat - I hope they never win again although we all know they will at least make the finals for the next 5+ years in a row. Depressing. I really don't care about LeBron and if he was on any other team I'd probably root for him.
 
Dude who the fuck cares what Desean Stevenson does. Its easy to talk shit when you are so far down on the radar that people dont even bother criticizing you. Its like listening to Luke Waton talk shit to KG.

He averaged 4.5 points a game throughout the playoff .96 rebounds .06 asst.

You are so low people cant even tell if you are having a bad game. Ugh, I love some good shit talking about but lets keep it in context...DeSean is one of the worst players in the league and barely part of the rotation on his own team.
 
I'm happy the Mavs won it all. I hope this turns into a Barkley like I'm not a role model turn for James. I think embracing the bad guy role will help him a lot.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Wtf? I'm no dan Gilbert fan but Cleveland(or any other team in a tax state) wouldn't have been able to afford wade, bosh, bron.[/QUOTE]

He never should have left Boozer go. Granted, Boozer screwed him after coming to a gentleman's agreement, but he should have at least matched that offer. That one mistake ended up screwing Cleveland in the long run.
 
[quote name='docvinh']He never should have left Boozer go. Granted, Boozer screwed him after coming to a gentleman's agreement, but he should have at least matched that offer. That one mistake ended up screwing Cleveland in the long run.[/QUOTE]

Boozer left before he own the team
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Hopefully this season just fires up the heat for next year. I'd love to see Lebron get a ring.[/QUOTE]

It's going to happen eventually. The Mavs just slowed them down for a year. In 3 years, who is gonna stop Miami? Kobe and Dirk will be 36 and Tim Duncan and KG will be 38.

That leaves Chicago, OKC, and maybe the Knicks as the only bona fide threats. Unless of course we see another superpower form like Howard and CP3 joining another team.
 
Chicago and OKC. Don't count on more superpower teams.

You know the NBA is a copycat league. With Dirk and the Noname beating a high payroll 3 All Star Powerhouse, the owners are gonna say "We don't need to pay 3 stars to win."

Hell, they might even think 3 stars is too much because nobody knows who get the ball.

Howard in LA would be interesting. As well as another bonafide star joining Durant.
 
Mavs have enough cap space to just sign Howard with the expiring contract of Butler, Stevenson, and Chanlder. Not sure how the Lakers could get Howard
 
If Howard wants to win, OKC would be his best bet. He could turn into Bill Russell on that team; imagine Dwight and Ibaka manning the 4/5. Nobody would be able to drive the lane. I see absolutely no way that Orlando would take Bynum in a sign and trade, which would be necessary to move Howard to LA.
 
[quote name='Kendro']
That leaves Chicago, OKC, and maybe the Knicks as the only bona fide threats. Unless of course we see another superpower form like Howard and CP3 joining another team.[/QUOTE]

Knicks... :ROFL: I hope that was a joke.

Howard and CP3 to Miami... Howard ain't going anywhere. CP3 maybe ends up in Charlotte with Michael. They have the cap to take him in.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Knicks... :ROFL: I hope that was a joke.[/QUOTE]

Didn't the Mavs just prove less than 24 hours ago that you can win with only one superstar and the right supporting cast? Why wouldn't the Knicks be a threat with Carmelo and Amare assuming they get the right pieces in place around them?
 
[quote name='Javery']Didn't the Mavs just prove less than 24 hours ago that you can win with only one superstar and the right supporting cast? Why wouldn't the Knicks be a threat with Carmelo and Amare assuming they get the right pieces in place around them?[/QUOTE]

Because no one plays defense.:)
 
[quote name='Javery']Didn't the Mavs just prove less than 24 hours ago that you can win with only one superstar and the right supporting cast? Why wouldn't the Knicks be a threat with Carmelo and Amare assuming they get the right pieces in place around them?[/QUOTE]

As long as James Dolan owns that team, the Knicks will never be successful.
 
[quote name='docvinh']This. I wish Dan Gilbert would stfu, because if he wasn't so cheap, LeBron might have stayed.[/QUOTE]


What?!

Do you realize the Cavs front office did everything they could to make lebron happy? they had one of the highest payrolls in the league. they went out and got williams who made a shitload of cash, then they got
Shaq when he was on his max contract $20 million A season! Soon after, the traded for antawn, another 17 million. They maxed out their payroll, and you can argue the supporting cast Lebron had last year was better than Dirk's this season, yet he choked against boston in the playoffs as usual. Lebron had a great supporting cast in 2010 playoffs, good enough to win a title without a doubt.
 
[quote name='wwe101']What?!

Do you realize the Cavs front office did everything they could to make lebron happy? they had one of the highest payrolls in the league. they went out and got williams who made a shitload of cash, then they got
Shaq when he was on his max contract $20 million A season! Soon after, the traded for antawn, another 17 million. They maxed out their payroll, and you can argue the supporting cast Lebron had last year was better than Dirk's this season, yet he choked against boston in the playoffs as usual. Lebron had a great supporting cast in 2010 playoffs, good enough to win a title without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

He is absolutely right.
 
[quote name='wwe101']What?!

Do you realize the Cavs front office did everything they could to make lebron happy? they had one of the highest payrolls in the league. they went out and got williams who made a shitload of cash, then they got
Shaq when he was on his max contract $20 million A season! Soon after, the traded for antawn, another 17 million. They maxed out their payroll, and you can argue the supporting cast Lebron had last year was better than Dirk's this season, yet he choked against boston in the playoffs as usual. Lebron had a great supporting cast in 2010 playoffs, good enough to win a title without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

I corrected myself above, I was talking about losing Boozer, but that was before Gilbert bought them.:)
 
[quote name='wwe101']What?!

Do you realize the Cavs front office did everything they could to make lebron happy? they had one of the highest payrolls in the league. they went out and got williams who made a shitload of cash, then they got
Shaq when he was on his max contract $20 million A season! Soon after, the traded for antawn, another 17 million. They maxed out their payroll, and you can argue the supporting cast Lebron had last year was better than Dirk's this season, yet he choked against boston in the playoffs as usual. Lebron had a great supporting cast in 2010 playoffs, good enough to win a title without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

I think the finals have opened some eyes as to how true this statement really is. Granted there may have been other players out there, the Cavs supporting cast was at the very least on par with Dallas, minus the true veteran leadership from someone like Jason Kidd.
 
[quote name='wwe101']What?!

Do you realize the Cavs front office did everything they could to make lebron happy? they had one of the highest payrolls in the league. they went out and got williams who made a shitload of cash, then they got
Shaq when he was on his max contract $20 million A season! Soon after, the traded for antawn, another 17 million. They maxed out their payroll, and you can argue the supporting cast Lebron had last year was better than Dirk's this season, yet he choked against boston in the playoffs as usual. Lebron had a great supporting cast in 2010 playoffs, good enough to win a title without a doubt.[/QUOTE]

Having one of the highest payrolls in the NBA because you chose to pay a 38 year old Shaq and 34/35 year old Jamison nearly $40 million does not a good supporting cast make. LeBron's supporting cast sucked in Cleveland, end of discussion.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Having one of the highest payrolls in the NBA because you chose to pay a 38 year old Shaq and 34/35 year old Jamison nearly $40 million does not a good supporting cast make. LeBron's supporting cast sucked in Cleveland, end of discussion.[/QUOTE]

yeah but the point stands that they weren't cheap and did everything they could to make Lebron happy. He asked for Shaq.
 
Yeah, Feeding the Abscess is right. There is no defense for the Cavs and how they played it while he was their. They made piss more decisions and that supporting case was complete shit. I really dot get why people feel the need to defend that team so much.

I had a post a while ago that basically broke down every year that Bron was there starting with the draft. Other than Bron himself and Boozer they failed to draft a single talented player...most of which flunked out of the NBA after only a few years.

Its getting to the point where its not even fun to talk basketball anymore because it just because people balls out hatred of Bron makes their brains turn to mush. Its only when you talk to a outright Bron hater that guys like Jamario Moon, Boobie Gibson, Dalonte West become a legitimate supporting cast.

And you have the nerve to say that that cast is better than Dirks cast now? Are you god damn crazy? Do you know how many current and ex-superstars are on Dallas? HOF GOAT PG, Ex-Superstar in Marion, Dirk, up and coming star in Jose, a legitimate C in T-Chan, go to 6th man and the corpse that is Peja. Pfft Mavs have a legit team and you are comparing them to that patch work in Cleveland.
 
[quote name='confoosious']yeah but the point stands that they weren't cheap and did everything they could to make Lebron happy. He asked for Shaq.[/QUOTE]


THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO MAKE LEBRON HAPPY!?!?!?!? What nonsense are you talking about? How is surrounding him with people that couldn't carry their weight at all making him happy?

Thats the whole point, everything they did failed horrible and thats why he left. Them getting Shaq after he asked for him is actually another example of how they failed so hard at everything. They should have had the balls enough to say....uhhh no we are not spending 40 million on a 38 year old Shaq, lets find another up and coming star.
 
[quote name='advanced']So which Heat members are rumored to have been at the Mavs party?[/QUOTE]

They said several with Erick Dampier as the lone stand-out. Thats understandable to me as he was a long time Mavs player. I assume he was on his way out of miami after the season anyway so its not really going to kill him.
 
I can see the Heat or OKC wining in the next few years. I was surprised the Nuggets also made the playoffs, with a little work they could be a contender too. OKC needs a good center, they get that, and they will do well.

Heat need a center as well and some work on the bench. If they were to let one of the big 3 go, Id say trade Bosh.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']Having one of the highest payrolls in the NBA because you chose to pay a 38 year old Shaq and 34/35 year old Jamison nearly $40 million does not a good supporting cast make. LeBron's supporting cast sucked in Cleveland, end of discussion.[/QUOTE]


No, they had the best big man rotation in the east, only one that was arguably better was LA big man rotation, they had a PG who was putting up 16 a game, shaq who was putting up 12pts a game while clogging the middle on defense, then they had jamison who was putting up 17 ppg. their bench was also great, JJ hickson, Zydrunas Ilguskas, Varejao, West, Gibson. no one can argue that that team was not on par if not better than dirks team in the finals. the only other big time scorrer on the Mavs is terry.

Dirk was playing with:
kidd: spot up shooter at this point in his career
stevenson: spot up shooter
Marion: defense/slasher from time to time
chandler: defense/ garbage points

Terry: offense off the bench for when dirk is resting
jj barea: playmaker/scorer

I don't see how anyone can honestly argue that that team is so much better than the team lebron had in cleveland

Edit: they also had a sign and trade in place with toronto for bosh if james had been willing to re-sign, but lebron and bosh both knew they were going to miami already........
 
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[quote name='Soodmeg']THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO MAKE LEBRON HAPPY!?!?!?!? What nonsense are you talking about? How is surrounding him with people that couldn't carry their weight at all making him happy?

Thats the whole point, everything they did failed horrible and thats why he left. Them getting Shaq after he asked for him is actually another example of how they failed so hard at everything. They should have had the balls enough to say....uhhh no we are not spending 40 million on a 38 year old Shaq, lets find another up and coming star.[/QUOTE]

what are you f'ing talking about? I didn't say the Cavs were geniuses. But someone said they were cheap. And they certainly weren't cheap. And they went out of their way to try to make Lebron happy. Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.
 
any word on the impending lockout, as a Cavs fan i'm kinda hoping for one becuase that means another top 5 pick next year. irving, Kanter, varejao, hickson then another top 5 pick in 2012 draft that we can get a SG with? damn, cavs might be a decent playoff team by 2013 and challenge the heat.
 
[quote name='kube00']I can see the Heat or OKC wining in the next few years. I was surprised the Nuggets also made the playoffs, with a little work they could be a contender too. OKC needs a good center, they get that, and they will do well.

Heat need a center as well and some work on the bench. If they were to let one of the big 3 go, Id say trade Bosh.[/QUOTE]

i'd say dont trade bosh. He has been playing real well there and he is willing to pick up the scraps after the two dum dums and get his points. He is tough and willing to fight for rebounds. He would be the last guy i would trade off that team. All they need is a center and PG who can quarterback the offense. That can be Chalmers but he has some growing to do which the Heat as a team have to do in order to win the title.

They really just need to add some size at Center. I almost want to say go and risk to get Kendrick Perkins.

[quote name='wwe101']any word on the impending lockout, as a Cavs fan i'm kinda hoping for one becuase that means another top 5 pick next year. irving, Kanter, varejao, hickson then another top 5 pick in 2012 draft that we can get a SG with? damn, cavs might be a decent playoff team by 2013 and challenge the heat.[/QUOTE]

I'd say wait a while longer. Your picks have to work out and with the impending lockout and how long it drags on, those rookies can't even get a playbook. Plus, this also has to work out perfectly. meaning the obvious that they cant be busts. Plus the Mavs prove that Chemistry trumps talent. If the Heat build chemistry and a roster that is suitable and if Wade/Bosh/LBJ all develop their games even further like LBJ should go and develop a post up game....it could be a while till the Cavs can challenge the Heat. 2013 is too soon IMHO.
 
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