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doh, listen to the audio of the interview. If you can not detect the comedic intent in his voice, then I would hate to see you watch the Daily show or Colbert Report. Or listen to a few of Biden's gaffs. I think rational people can decipher actual intent in conversation. I think a lot of my sarcasm is misread here. As far as privilege, I was replying to the Tagg Romney discussion.
Are you saying that Jackson and Sharpton are not jokes? Taking the moral high ground and playing the race card in any possible circumstance seems pretty funny to me with their "controversial" pasts. Palin made statements that were lies. The term "redneck" is not always combined with racism. Not many country songs honor killing people and mistreating ladies either. I wonder how young people who emulate their favorite rapper get stereotyped as thugs?
"Lots of high profile cases with high priced lawyers don't always get their clients off. That still doesn't address the question of privilege."
Actually it does. You say high priced lawyers do not guarantee a non guilty verdict, and OJ is black? Man, he should have been doubly screwed. What happened?
"You can't pull up your bootstraps if you have no boots."
You do have 12 years of free education. Should we limit welfare to those who only graduate? I don't blame society as much as I blame the idiots who have children when they are poor.
Your fart comment did make me laugh.
Are you saying that Jackson and Sharpton are not jokes? Taking the moral high ground and playing the race card in any possible circumstance seems pretty funny to me with their "controversial" pasts. Palin made statements that were lies. The term "redneck" is not always combined with racism. Not many country songs honor killing people and mistreating ladies either. I wonder how young people who emulate their favorite rapper get stereotyped as thugs?
"Lots of high profile cases with high priced lawyers don't always get their clients off. That still doesn't address the question of privilege."
Actually it does. You say high priced lawyers do not guarantee a non guilty verdict, and OJ is black? Man, he should have been doubly screwed. What happened?
"You can't pull up your bootstraps if you have no boots."
You do have 12 years of free education. Should we limit welfare to those who only graduate? I don't blame society as much as I blame the idiots who have children when they are poor.
Your fart comment did make me laugh.
Clak, perceived intent is a big part of what anybody says. When Jesse Jackson got taped saying he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off, did you take him literally? The funny thing is, Obama seems like a smart and funny guy. I would guess that he just laughed at the quote. Lawrence O'Donell, on the other hand, is my new favorite comedian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88A70OWdV1U
PS: sorry, Doh, I know youtube has some racist content, so I must be racist for linking to this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88A70OWdV1U
PS: sorry, Doh, I know youtube has some racist content, so I must be racist for linking to this.....
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[quote name='egofed']I disagree with Obama on many issues. I don't hate him. I dislike the Stimulus and Tarp. Bailing out the auto companies. Over use of executive privilege. Green energy waste. Union bias. Non transparency in his administration. Not cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term like he pledged. Blasting bush for many policies that he continued. etc.
Idiots who hate him for being black or Kenyan born are as much fools as the Obama phone lady and all the corrupt Acorn workers. I think he is a smart, decent man. Can you admit that a lot of the left is being irrational with the hate towards Romney?[/QUOTE]
No. Romney is a scumbag vulture capitalist who loaded up American companies with tons of debt so that he could pad his bank accounts. And that's just for starters. There is plenty to dislike about that creep.
Idiots who hate him for being black or Kenyan born are as much fools as the Obama phone lady and all the corrupt Acorn workers. I think he is a smart, decent man. Can you admit that a lot of the left is being irrational with the hate towards Romney?[/QUOTE]
No. Romney is a scumbag vulture capitalist who loaded up American companies with tons of debt so that he could pad his bank accounts. And that's just for starters. There is plenty to dislike about that creep.
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[quote name='egofed']Are you saying that Jackson and Sharpton are not jokes?[/QUOTE]
I will say that.
I will say that.
[quote name='camoor']No. Romney is a scumbag vulture capitalist who loaded up American companies with tons of debt so that he could pad his bank accounts. And that's just for starters. There is plenty to dislike about that creep.[/QUOTE]
Hahhahahhahahahahhhahaaa....whew. I gotta be somewhere, but good stuff, bro. What if he wins????;-)
Hahhahahhahahahahhhahaaa....whew. I gotta be somewhere, but good stuff, bro. What if he wins????;-)
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[quote name='dmaul1114']If Romney wins I'll speed up my plans to find employment in another country. I want to do so and live abroad for a while at some point anyway, and that would be nice added incentive to get out of this shitty country sooner.[/QUOTE]
haha wow. Good luck on finding a better country, they all have issues.
haha wow. Good luck on finding a better country, they all have issues.
[quote name='nasum']What is the purpose of threatening China with trade conflict? [/QUOTE]
Because they're shamelessly exploiting us at every avenue available to them? Because they don't even pretend to abide by their trade agreements?
Go ahead and appease them though. Let them make a few Americans very wealthy while they drain the economy as a whole. By the way, does Obama's military "pivot to China" ring a bell?
Because they're shamelessly exploiting us at every avenue available to them? Because they don't even pretend to abide by their trade agreements?
Go ahead and appease them though. Let them make a few Americans very wealthy while they drain the economy as a whole. By the way, does Obama's military "pivot to China" ring a bell?
[quote name='camoor']haha wow. Good luck on finding a better country, they all have issues.[/QUOTE]
Everywhere has problems for sure. But plenty of places that are less extreme on things that annoy me to death like social conservatism, anti-intellectualism, hyper consumerism etc.
Everywhere has problems for sure. But plenty of places that are less extreme on things that annoy me to death like social conservatism, anti-intellectualism, hyper consumerism etc.
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[quote name='egofed']Hahhahahhahahahahhhahaaa....whew. I gotta be somewhere, but good stuff, bro. What if he wins????;-)[/QUOTE]
My pleasure.
If he wins nothing much will change for me. Healthcare will remain the shitty mess that it already is, America will be a glorious tax shelter paradise for the rich, and it will get much worse for poor people but I will be OK. Seeing as you're a fireman, probably for you too.
I'm just doing my very small part about letting people know who he is and what he does.
If you want to know more read this piece:
"Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital"
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...omney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz29mH1cYy9
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...tory-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829
My pleasure.
If he wins nothing much will change for me. Healthcare will remain the shitty mess that it already is, America will be a glorious tax shelter paradise for the rich, and it will get much worse for poor people but I will be OK. Seeing as you're a fireman, probably for you too.
I'm just doing my very small part about letting people know who he is and what he does.
If you want to know more read this piece:
"Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital"
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...omney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz29mH1cYy9
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...tory-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Everywhere has problems for sure. But plenty of places that are less extreme on things that annoy me to death like social conservatism, anti-intellectualism, hyper consumerism etc.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah for sure. If you can land a stable job in those countries it's worth it, but for a foreigner I would think you have added challenge. You've always seemed like a very decent guy, good luck.
Oh yeah for sure. If you can land a stable job in those countries it's worth it, but for a foreigner I would think you have added challenge. You've always seemed like a very decent guy, good luck.
[quote name='camoor']Oh yeah for sure. If you can land a stable job in those countries it's worth it, but for a foreigner I would think you have added challenge. You've always seemed like a very decent guy, good luck.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wouldn't go otherwise. I do have some international connections (scholars I publish with etc.) though, so that helps.
Biggest issue is academic and research jobs in other countries don't pay as well as in the US. So if I don't go in the next 5 years or so that would be the main reason--need to get student loans paid down more first.
Yeah, I wouldn't go otherwise. I do have some international connections (scholars I publish with etc.) though, so that helps.
Biggest issue is academic and research jobs in other countries don't pay as well as in the US. So if I don't go in the next 5 years or so that would be the main reason--need to get student loans paid down more first.
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[quote name='Clak']You know what I think, I think these damn fire and police departments are bankrupting cities. Lets demonize those union belonging SOBs and take away any right they have to collectively bargain.[/QUOTE]
Haha the police around here are corrupt as hell. They all retire early and file as disabled for the extra pension money, and they are bankrupting the county. In general it seems to me that Americans short change social programs too much and don't monitor the budget of city services and law enforcement enough.
Haha the police around here are corrupt as hell. They all retire early and file as disabled for the extra pension money, and they are bankrupting the county. In general it seems to me that Americans short change social programs too much and don't monitor the budget of city services and law enforcement enough.
[quote name='camoor']Oh yeah for sure. If you can land a stable job in those countries it's worth it, but for a foreigner I would think you have added challenge. You've always seemed like a very decent guy, good luck.[/QUOTE]
Eh, someone with that level of education probably wouldn't have that hard a time.
Eh, someone with that level of education probably wouldn't have that hard a time.
[quote name='egofed']doh, listen to the audio of the interview. If you can not detect the comedic intent in his voice, then I would hate to see you watch the Daily show or Colbert Report. Or listen to a few of Biden's gaffs. I think rational people can decipher actual intent in conversation. I think a lot of my sarcasm is misread here. As far as privilege, I was replying to the Tagg Romney discussion.
edit: As for your link to a racist website, did the statistic of 78% of the population NOT set off bells in your head? I mean
, you linked to a white supremacist website and you kept defending it when you should've just dropped it by saying you'll be more aware of your sources next time. But no...you continue to see absolutely no issue with it while trying to bullshit me that google just throws up search results willy nilly when google tracks your previous searches to give "better" results! You can throw up all the flak that you want to try and obfuscate how you arrived at that result, but I'm no limousine liberal that doesn't know how this shit works.
And what are your thoughts on Martin Luther King Jr?
I said TODD Palin.
No one said it was?
You sure about that?
Too many.
Oh I dunno...tampered evidence, Mark Furman's racism, composition of the jury...lots of things.
Are schools, facilities, faculty, and resources equal? Since they aren't, how the hell can you use that as a metric? And are people not a product of their environment?
I don't care?
edit: As for your link to a racist website, did the statistic of 78% of the population NOT set off bells in your head? I mean
, you linked to a white supremacist website and you kept defending it when you should've just dropped it by saying you'll be more aware of your sources next time. But no...you continue to see absolutely no issue with it while trying to bullshit me that google just throws up search results willy nilly when google tracks your previous searches to give "better" results! You can throw up all the flak that you want to try and obfuscate how you arrived at that result, but I'm no limousine liberal that doesn't know how this shit works.[quote name='dohdough']Enjoy things like what? OJ is ruined and people treat Jackson and Sharpton like they're jokes. Although, I can only wonder as to why you chose to group Jackson and Sharpton with OJ. It's a ridiculous comparison on any level especially when it comes to what they've done in their lives, muchless race and privilege.
Obama is "rich" and he got raked over the coals for Ayers and Wright when Todd Palin himself was openly calling for and supporting a nativist and separatist movement, which I'm sure wasn't something that the actual Native American residents were a big part of.
If you think that there wouldn't be any racist outcries if one of the Obama daughters got pregnant and had a kid next year, you're even more full of shit than there is shit on Bullshit Mountain.
Watermelon patches and comparisons monkeys mean the exact same thing in reference to a white person and a black person right?
And you make it sound like race doesn't matter at all. I'm not the one denying reality here; you are.
Why? Because the experience of a white male libertarian firefighter should somehow be considered the norm and the default experiences of everyone that's not white or male?[/QUOTE]
I want to take a little topic out of your reply right there. on this one
YOUR QUOTE
Watermelon patches and comparisons monkeys mean the exact same thing in reference to a white person and a black person right?
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was on this site i think a year or two ago or maybe less then that someone put up a video about about if humans evolved from monkey and in the utube video it showed a bunch of white people running around doing crap and then they would show monkeys doing the same thing and not many said a thing about it ...
Yet i pasted that if you put black people in the video instead of white people and people would be up in arms demanding the video be taking down and people go that would never happen
fast forward to this summer olympics and right after gabby douglas wins the gold an ad comes on tv showing a monkey doing the same event she did and all hell broke lose and people DEMANDED NBC REMOVE THE AD saying nbc is saying GABBY was a monkey
so long point short say watermelon to a white person and they just like it slide... say it to a black person and they will SCREAM RACIST
Obama is "rich" and he got raked over the coals for Ayers and Wright when Todd Palin himself was openly calling for and supporting a nativist and separatist movement, which I'm sure wasn't something that the actual Native American residents were a big part of.
If you think that there wouldn't be any racist outcries if one of the Obama daughters got pregnant and had a kid next year, you're even more full of shit than there is shit on Bullshit Mountain.
Watermelon patches and comparisons monkeys mean the exact same thing in reference to a white person and a black person right?
And you make it sound like race doesn't matter at all. I'm not the one denying reality here; you are.
Why? Because the experience of a white male libertarian firefighter should somehow be considered the norm and the default experiences of everyone that's not white or male?[/QUOTE]
I want to take a little topic out of your reply right there. on this one
YOUR QUOTE
Watermelon patches and comparisons monkeys mean the exact same thing in reference to a white person and a black person right?
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was on this site i think a year or two ago or maybe less then that someone put up a video about about if humans evolved from monkey and in the utube video it showed a bunch of white people running around doing crap and then they would show monkeys doing the same thing and not many said a thing about it ...
Yet i pasted that if you put black people in the video instead of white people and people would be up in arms demanding the video be taking down and people go that would never happen
fast forward to this summer olympics and right after gabby douglas wins the gold an ad comes on tv showing a monkey doing the same event she did and all hell broke lose and people DEMANDED NBC REMOVE THE AD saying nbc is saying GABBY was a monkey
so long point short say watermelon to a white person and they just like it slide... say it to a black person and they will SCREAM RACIST
[quote name='camoor']Haha the police around here are corrupt as hell. They all retire early and file as disabled for the extra pension money, and they are bankrupting the county. In general it seems to me that Americans short change social programs too much and don't monitor the budget of city services and law enforcement enough.[/QUOTE]
I've never gotten calls from those free loading teachers wanting money from me either, unlike some people.
I've never gotten calls from those free loading teachers wanting money from me either, unlike some people.
[quote name='dafoomie']Do NOT compare those two self promoting race baiters to a great man like MLK.[/QUOTE]
Oh the irony...it's giving me tetanus.
I find it hilarious when I see knee-jerk reactions like this because the ones that use this trope always know the least about any of these men.
But please, show us more of your faux indignation while using the term "race-baiters" to deify MLK while demonizing Jackson and Sharpton.
Oh the irony...it's giving me tetanus.
I find it hilarious when I see knee-jerk reactions like this because the ones that use this trope always know the least about any of these men.
But please, show us more of your faux indignation while using the term "race-baiters" to deify MLK while demonizing Jackson and Sharpton.
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So I just read an interesting article/blog about how much BS it is for the GOP to be calling the Obama administration "weak" overseas based off the attack at Benghazi. I know it is "politics" but it still is pretty low. Here is a list of attacks on US consulates and embassies during the Bush years. While Benghazi was tragic and maybe could have been avoided to pretend like this President is inviting these things by showing weakness is such a twisting of the truth.
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-sign-of-weakness-Bush-was-the-weakest-of-all
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-sign-of-weakness-Bush-was-the-weakest-of-all
[quote name='dohdough']Oh the irony...it's giving me tetanus.
I find it hilarious when I see knee-jerk reactions like this because the ones that use this trope always know the least about any of these men.
But please, show us more of your faux indignation while using the term "race-baiters" to deify MLK while demonizing Jackson and Sharpton.[/QUOTE]
MLK was flawed, he wasn't a perfect man, in his time it was also thought that he was more than a little hungry for the cameras and the spotlight. His martyrdom swept all that away, for better or worse.
But Sharpton and Jackson exploit tragedies and incite racial tensions to promote themselves and their agenda. King's message was always about nonviolent resistance, and about love and forgiveness, "meeting hate with love". Sharpton and Jackson are about divisiveness and the us vs them mentality while King preached brotherhood and racial unity, not just black unity.
When a black kid is shot by a Mexican that looks white, and a police department perceived as white doesn't charge him, they're there. A white man killed one of our own, white people are covering it up, we're under attack, us vs them. But when a black child is caught in the crossfire of black gang violence and killed, and a dozen black witnesses won't speak to the police because they won't "snitch", where are they? Doesn't advance their agenda, doesn't get them on the national news outlets. The 93% of black homicides that are committed by black people and the pervasive "stop snitchin" mentality don't fit their message of us vs them.
I find it tragic that something so central to King's ideology has largely been lost to those who would claim to carry on his legacy.
I find it hilarious when I see knee-jerk reactions like this because the ones that use this trope always know the least about any of these men.
But please, show us more of your faux indignation while using the term "race-baiters" to deify MLK while demonizing Jackson and Sharpton.[/QUOTE]
MLK was flawed, he wasn't a perfect man, in his time it was also thought that he was more than a little hungry for the cameras and the spotlight. His martyrdom swept all that away, for better or worse.
But Sharpton and Jackson exploit tragedies and incite racial tensions to promote themselves and their agenda. King's message was always about nonviolent resistance, and about love and forgiveness, "meeting hate with love". Sharpton and Jackson are about divisiveness and the us vs them mentality while King preached brotherhood and racial unity, not just black unity.
When a black kid is shot by a Mexican that looks white, and a police department perceived as white doesn't charge him, they're there. A white man killed one of our own, white people are covering it up, we're under attack, us vs them. But when a black child is caught in the crossfire of black gang violence and killed, and a dozen black witnesses won't speak to the police because they won't "snitch", where are they? Doesn't advance their agenda, doesn't get them on the national news outlets. The 93% of black homicides that are committed by black people and the pervasive "stop snitchin" mentality don't fit their message of us vs them.
I find it tragic that something so central to King's ideology has largely been lost to those who would claim to carry on his legacy.
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If you want to accuse them of race-bating, you might want to select an example that isn't racist (so as to point out that their accusations of racism are flawed).
[quote name='mykevermin']If you want to accuse them of race-bating, you might want to select an example that isn't racist (so as to point out that their accusations of racism are flawed).[/QUOTE]
Thats unnecessary. They don't invent instances of racism or perceived racism, they exploit them, they project them onto a larger scale, inflame passions and incite violence. But to indulge you, I suggest you read about the Crown Heights riots in 91, Al Sharpton's role in it, the people murdered by black mobs for being or looking Jewish and the lack of justice in those cases.
The solution to racism is not to incite one race against another. Did you read what I said about us vs them? Where King preached unity, they preach divisiveness. Where King preached love and forgiveness, they preach anger and hatred.
"Blacks are under attack." "Targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business." "No justice, no peace." --Jesse Jackson, in the wake of the Travyon Martin shooting.
"The world will tell us he was killed by accident. Yes, it was a social accident. It’s an accident to allow an apartheid ambulance service in the middle of Crown Heights. Talk about how Oppenheimer in South Africa sends diamonds straight to Tel Aviv and deals with the diamond merchants right here in Crown Heights. The issue is not anti-Semitism; the issue is apartheid... All we want to say is what Jesus said: If you offend one of these little ones, you got to pay for it. No compromise, no meetings, no coffee klatsch, no skinnin' and grinnin'. Pay for your deeds." "No justice, no peace." "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.” --Al Sharpton, at Gavin Cato’s funeral.
"He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword. Remember that is what Jesus said. We are not advocating violence. We want to love our enemies. I want you to love our enemies. Be good to them. This is what we must live by. We must meet hate with love." “'If you have to hit anybody, hit me." --MLK to an angry black mob assembled outside his house, which had just been bombed.
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love...Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding." --MLK
I don't know how he feels now, but I know that I have often wished that he would talk less of violence, because violence is not going to solve our problem. And in his litany of articulating the despair of the Negro without offering any positive, creative alternative, I feel that Malcolm has done himself and our people a great disservice. Fiery, demagogic oratory in the black ghettos, urging Negroes to arm themselves and prepare to engage in violence, as he has done, can reap nothing but grief. --MLK on Malcolm X
Stark contrast. Please don't compare those two vultures to Martin Luther King.
Thats unnecessary. They don't invent instances of racism or perceived racism, they exploit them, they project them onto a larger scale, inflame passions and incite violence. But to indulge you, I suggest you read about the Crown Heights riots in 91, Al Sharpton's role in it, the people murdered by black mobs for being or looking Jewish and the lack of justice in those cases.
The solution to racism is not to incite one race against another. Did you read what I said about us vs them? Where King preached unity, they preach divisiveness. Where King preached love and forgiveness, they preach anger and hatred.
"Blacks are under attack." "Targeting, arresting, convicting blacks and ultimately killing us is big business." "No justice, no peace." --Jesse Jackson, in the wake of the Travyon Martin shooting.
"The world will tell us he was killed by accident. Yes, it was a social accident. It’s an accident to allow an apartheid ambulance service in the middle of Crown Heights. Talk about how Oppenheimer in South Africa sends diamonds straight to Tel Aviv and deals with the diamond merchants right here in Crown Heights. The issue is not anti-Semitism; the issue is apartheid... All we want to say is what Jesus said: If you offend one of these little ones, you got to pay for it. No compromise, no meetings, no coffee klatsch, no skinnin' and grinnin'. Pay for your deeds." "No justice, no peace." "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.” --Al Sharpton, at Gavin Cato’s funeral.
"He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword. Remember that is what Jesus said. We are not advocating violence. We want to love our enemies. I want you to love our enemies. Be good to them. This is what we must live by. We must meet hate with love." “'If you have to hit anybody, hit me." --MLK to an angry black mob assembled outside his house, which had just been bombed.
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love...Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding." --MLK
I don't know how he feels now, but I know that I have often wished that he would talk less of violence, because violence is not going to solve our problem. And in his litany of articulating the despair of the Negro without offering any positive, creative alternative, I feel that Malcolm has done himself and our people a great disservice. Fiery, demagogic oratory in the black ghettos, urging Negroes to arm themselves and prepare to engage in violence, as he has done, can reap nothing but grief. --MLK on Malcolm X
Stark contrast. Please don't compare those two vultures to Martin Luther King.
LOLZ...you are such a ing hack, dude. You're going to need to start citing your sources because you're posting some seriously crazy shit.
[quote name='dafoomie']MLK was flawed, he wasn't a perfect man, in his time it was also thought that he was more than a little hungry for the cameras and the spotlight. His martyrdom swept all that away, for better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Being "more than a little hungry for cameras and the spotlight" is putting it lightly for King. In matter of fact, the same critiques you level upon Jackson and Sharpton are the exact same ones leveled at King as well and he was considered irrelevant the day he was murdered. No one gave a flying until that day. Revisionism and white-washing history will never change that. If King was alive today, you'd be leveling the same accusations too because all three men are more alike than different.
If it all comes down to being murdered before being taken seriously, if Jackson or Sharpton are murdered and the slate is wiped clean, are you going to change your sentiment towards them? Because it seems to me that it's all that's required for you.
As for black on black violence and glory-seeking, who says that they aren't around? Just you and people that don't know shit about them or the work they actually do. They're just made out to be boogeymen to perpetuate the status quo. Lack of media coverage does not mean lack of involvement; not vice versa.
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats unnecessary. They don't invent instances of racism or perceived racism, they exploit them, they project them onto a larger scale, inflame passions and incite violence. But to indulge you, I suggest you read about the Crown Heights riots in 91, Al Sharpton's role in it, the people murdered by black mobs for being or looking Jewish and the lack of justice in those cases.[/QUOTE]
So you use racist reasoning to defend your stances and don't feel a need to retract it or use other examples. I don't think I need to go on any further about this.
As for black mobs, murder, and lack of justice, 2 black men were sent to prison for murder, 122 black folks were arrested, and 7 whites were arrested, but the guy that ran over 2 kids and killed 1 was acquited. But please, tell me more about "lack of justice."
ing hack, dude. You're going to need to start citing your sources because you're posting some seriously crazy shit.[quote name='dafoomie']MLK was flawed, he wasn't a perfect man, in his time it was also thought that he was more than a little hungry for the cameras and the spotlight. His martyrdom swept all that away, for better or worse.[/QUOTE]
Being "more than a little hungry for cameras and the spotlight" is putting it lightly for King. In matter of fact, the same critiques you level upon Jackson and Sharpton are the exact same ones leveled at King as well and he was considered irrelevant the day he was murdered. No one gave a flying
until that day. Revisionism and white-washing history will never change that. If King was alive today, you'd be leveling the same accusations too because all three men are more alike than different.If it all comes down to being murdered before being taken seriously, if Jackson or Sharpton are murdered and the slate is wiped clean, are you going to change your sentiment towards them? Because it seems to me that it's all that's required for you.
I always see this bullshit and worded in the exact same way. "Promote themselves and their agenda..." It gets mixed in with "playing the race card" and race baiters" without examining what any of those concepts really mean, how they operate, the purpose of using those terms, and it's implications.
Ha? It would do you some good to better familiarize yourself with all of their work and speeches instead of using snippets out of context. Hell, I could make King look worse than Farrakhan if I did what you're doing.
I didn't realize that having a white father with a Jewish name and a Peruvian mother makes their child a white-looking Mexican.
As for black on black violence and glory-seeking, who says that they aren't around? Just you and people that don't know shit about them or the work they actually do. They're just made out to be boogeymen to perpetuate the status quo. Lack of media coverage does not mean lack of involvement; not vice versa.
It isn't lost, but people like you are perverting his message.
[quote name='dafoomie']Thats unnecessary. They don't invent instances of racism or perceived racism, they exploit them, they project them onto a larger scale, inflame passions and incite violence. But to indulge you, I suggest you read about the Crown Heights riots in 91, Al Sharpton's role in it, the people murdered by black mobs for being or looking Jewish and the lack of justice in those cases.[/QUOTE]
So you use racist reasoning to defend your stances and don't feel a need to retract it or use other examples. I don't think I need to go on any further about this.
As for black mobs, murder, and lack of justice, 2 black men were sent to prison for murder, 122 black folks were arrested, and 7 whites were arrested, but the guy that ran over 2 kids and killed 1 was acquited. But please, tell me more about "lack of justice."
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[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...you are such a ing hack, dude. You're going to need to start citing your sources because you're posting some seriously crazy shit.
Being "more than a little hungry for cameras and the spotlight" is putting it lightly for King. In matter of fact, the same critiques you level upon Jackson and Sharpton are the exact same ones leveled at King as well and he was considered irrelevant the day he was murdered. No one gave a flying until that day. Revisionism and white-washing history will never change that. If King was alive today, you'd be leveling the same accusations too because all three men are more alike than different.
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That Boondocks episode really nailed it in that regard (skip to 3:17):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eSVr9S7YE
ing hack, dude. You're going to need to start citing your sources because you're posting some seriously crazy shit.Being "more than a little hungry for cameras and the spotlight" is putting it lightly for King. In matter of fact, the same critiques you level upon Jackson and Sharpton are the exact same ones leveled at King as well and he was considered irrelevant the day he was murdered. No one gave a flying
until that day. Revisionism and white-washing history will never change that. If King was alive today, you'd be leveling the same accusations too because all three men are more alike than different.[/QUOTE]
That Boondocks episode really nailed it in that regard (skip to 3:17):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eSVr9S7YE
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King deserves much praise, but let' not fool ourselves into thinking that King alone, or nonviolent protest alone, is responsible for the passage of the Civil Rights Act and changes in attitudes since the mid-1960's. He did not succeed on his own, and the implication that exalts him does disservice to those who did assist in the civil rights movement who did resist, but not in nonviolent, passive ways.
In hindsight, it's an attractive narrative - but the implication is that the more radical elements of the movement (e.g., Black Panthers) did nothing to help, and perhaps even hurt, the civil rights movement. That's convenient revisionist history, and it's an inaccurate history. You can't disentangle SNCC from the panthers and say one succeeded where the other failed - the coexisted at the same time, and the to tie the CRA and other resulting legislation to one or the other is impossible.
Aggressive protest movements serve a purpose, and sometimes succeed. See the cultural significance of Stonewall in the legacy of promoting gay rights in the US. They didn't follow the King model, and yet cultural norms have changed to be more accepting and open than in decades past.
...let me approach this from a different angle. For those of you who think that Jackson and Sharpton are "race-baiters," or exploiters, or whatever - who do you think, in today's society, that identifies and calls racism by name when it happens? If we can all agree that racism still exists (and none of us would argue otherwise), and we all agree that it needs to be outed when it occurs (I suspect very few of us disagree with that) - who is doing that job? Who is calling it out by name? If Jackson and Sharpton are "doing it wrong" in your view, who, then, is doing it right?
I eagerly await your response to that.
In hindsight, it's an attractive narrative - but the implication is that the more radical elements of the movement (e.g., Black Panthers) did nothing to help, and perhaps even hurt, the civil rights movement. That's convenient revisionist history, and it's an inaccurate history. You can't disentangle SNCC from the panthers and say one succeeded where the other failed - the coexisted at the same time, and the to tie the CRA and other resulting legislation to one or the other is impossible.
Aggressive protest movements serve a purpose, and sometimes succeed. See the cultural significance of Stonewall in the legacy of promoting gay rights in the US. They didn't follow the King model, and yet cultural norms have changed to be more accepting and open than in decades past.
...let me approach this from a different angle. For those of you who think that Jackson and Sharpton are "race-baiters," or exploiters, or whatever - who do you think, in today's society, that identifies and calls racism by name when it happens? If we can all agree that racism still exists (and none of us would argue otherwise), and we all agree that it needs to be outed when it occurs (I suspect very few of us disagree with that) - who is doing that job? Who is calling it out by name? If Jackson and Sharpton are "doing it wrong" in your view, who, then, is doing it right?
I eagerly await your response to that.
You convinced me, doh. MLK is as big a joke as Sharpton and Jackson.;-)
Mistresses, misappropriation of donated funds, personal attacks and accusations on innocent people....I know a lot of politicians are guilty of these same acts, but, if you truly believe in your cause, you should bow out gracefully and allow someone with a bit more integrity to champion the cause. Ted Kennedy, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, etc lose a lot of credibility in my book for these same type of infractions. Nobody is perfect, but, if you are gonna preach about morals and injustice, then you better have lived a better life than myself. The messenger does impact the message when it comes to social morals.
Racial conditions were worse during MLK's time. Harsher rhetoric for harsher conditions makes sense to me.
As far as unions, I've never been in one, and probably never will. They were great and necessary in the past, but they hurt more than help in most cases. The local Ford plant closed after decades of operation due to contracts that made people unfireable. Workers who couldn't handle the line work were moved to sweeping the floor for the same inflated wage as competent workers. Watch Waiting for Superman for more union insanity. I do think that city governments are extremely wasteful in most circumstances.
Quick personal experience about affirmative action. My department is desperate for diversity. Women and minorities are being hired with preference over white males who scored better on both the written and agility tests. Times were doctored to allow this. Now in most jobs, this would be bad enough, but when I am relying on someone to be able to drag me out of a burning house collapse, diversity means crap. The best person for the job is always the right and just ideology. Especially when my butt is on the line.;-)
Mistresses, misappropriation of donated funds, personal attacks and accusations on innocent people....I know a lot of politicians are guilty of these same acts, but, if you truly believe in your cause, you should bow out gracefully and allow someone with a bit more integrity to champion the cause. Ted Kennedy, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, etc lose a lot of credibility in my book for these same type of infractions. Nobody is perfect, but, if you are gonna preach about morals and injustice, then you better have lived a better life than myself. The messenger does impact the message when it comes to social morals.
Racial conditions were worse during MLK's time. Harsher rhetoric for harsher conditions makes sense to me.
As far as unions, I've never been in one, and probably never will. They were great and necessary in the past, but they hurt more than help in most cases. The local Ford plant closed after decades of operation due to contracts that made people unfireable. Workers who couldn't handle the line work were moved to sweeping the floor for the same inflated wage as competent workers. Watch Waiting for Superman for more union insanity. I do think that city governments are extremely wasteful in most circumstances.
Quick personal experience about affirmative action. My department is desperate for diversity. Women and minorities are being hired with preference over white males who scored better on both the written and agility tests. Times were doctored to allow this. Now in most jobs, this would be bad enough, but when I am relying on someone to be able to drag me out of a burning house collapse, diversity means crap. The best person for the job is always the right and just ideology. Especially when my butt is on the line.;-)
[quote name='dohdough']"It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges."
Sure sounds like "no justice, no peace" to me. Must be a quote form Malcolm X or something.
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King's very next sentence, after your quote:
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
[quote name='dohdough']So you use racist reasoning to defend your stances and don't feel a need to retract it or use other examples. I don't think I need to go on any further about this.[/quote]
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[quote name='dohdough']As for black mobs, murder, and lack of justice, 2 black men were sent to prison for murder, 122 black folks were arrested, and 7 whites were arrested, but the guy that ran over 2 kids and killed 1 was acquited. But please, tell me more about "lack of justice."[/QUOTE]
Yankel Rosenbaum was attacked by 20 men because he was Jewish. Two men were charged, one was acquitted of murder by a predominantly black jury in 1992. Both were later convicted of violating his civil rights and served less than 10 years. They were the only two people ever tried for any actions during the riot, no one was ever charged in the murder of an Italian man who resembled a Jew.
The death of the child that caused all this? A traffic accident. A police escorted motorcade went through an intersection as the light was changing, the last car struck another vehicle, hit a building and careened towards two children. The driver wasn't acquitted, a grand jury that was 50% black declined to indict him.
There is no justification for the violence that ensued and no justification for Sharpton's incitement of the community, his actions were reprehensible.
Sure sounds like "no justice, no peace" to me. Must be a quote form Malcolm X or something.
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King's very next sentence, after your quote:
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
[quote name='dohdough']So you use racist reasoning to defend your stances and don't feel a need to retract it or use other examples. I don't think I need to go on any further about this.[/quote]
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[quote name='dohdough']As for black mobs, murder, and lack of justice, 2 black men were sent to prison for murder, 122 black folks were arrested, and 7 whites were arrested, but the guy that ran over 2 kids and killed 1 was acquited. But please, tell me more about "lack of justice."[/QUOTE]
Yankel Rosenbaum was attacked by 20 men because he was Jewish. Two men were charged, one was acquitted of murder by a predominantly black jury in 1992. Both were later convicted of violating his civil rights and served less than 10 years. They were the only two people ever tried for any actions during the riot, no one was ever charged in the murder of an Italian man who resembled a Jew.
The death of the child that caused all this? A traffic accident. A police escorted motorcade went through an intersection as the light was changing, the last car struck another vehicle, hit a building and careened towards two children. The driver wasn't acquitted, a grand jury that was 50% black declined to indict him.
There is no justification for the violence that ensued and no justification for Sharpton's incitement of the community, his actions were reprehensible.
[quote name='mykevermin']King deserves much praise, but let' not fool ourselves into thinking that King alone, or nonviolent protest alone, is responsible for the passage of the Civil Rights Act and changes in attitudes since the mid-1960's. He did not succeed on his own, and the implication that exalts him does disservice to those who did assist in the civil rights movement who did resist, but not in nonviolent, passive ways.[/QUOTE]
I would not suggest that he was solely responsible for the civil rights movement. I would say, as you suggested, that there were parts of the movement who believed in nonviolence and more radical elements such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. They may have shared a common cause, but their objectives were not entirely the same. I would not categorize Sharpton and Jackson as being in King's part of the movement.
I would not suggest that he was solely responsible for the civil rights movement. I would say, as you suggested, that there were parts of the movement who believed in nonviolence and more radical elements such as Malcolm X and the Panthers. They may have shared a common cause, but their objectives were not entirely the same. I would not categorize Sharpton and Jackson as being in King's part of the movement.
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Please elaborate - what were King's goals, how were the different from other civil rights movements participants (individuals and groups), and where do current civil rights leaders fail to follow that?
Feel free to cite sources where appropriate.
Feel free to cite sources where appropriate.
[quote name='UncleBob']Both sides do it lol.[/QUOTE]
You missed the point you sorry piece of shit. Didn't I say in that very post that hack jobs can be twisted to mean anything?
Considering you're the king of hack jobs, I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see you do it again. Not to mention that it's evidenced in the very post you're trying to deride me on. Go yourself.
You missed the point you sorry piece of shit. Didn't I say in that very post that hack jobs can be twisted to mean anything?
Considering you're the king of hack jobs, I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see you do it again. Not to mention that it's evidenced in the very post you're trying to deride me on. Go
yourself.[quote name='dafoomie']King's very next sentence, after your quote:
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
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After all the points I made, THAT is all you got? You just made my point about what you're doing.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
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After all the points I made, THAT is all you got? You just made my point about what you're doing.
LOLZ...what would justice be then?
No one is saying that what happened is a Good Thing, but you can't even begin to understand what happened if you think it was just because a couple of black boys got run over by a Jewish man...and that is exactly the type of analysis you're applying to the event.
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[quote name='dohdough']You missed the point [...] Didn't I say in that very post that hack jobs can be twisted to mean anything?[/QUOTE]
Weird, I thought your point was...
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...what you know of King has been sanitized for whites and neutered into some peacenik that advocated for a colorblind society. He's closer to Jeremiah Wright than most people realize.[/QUOTE]
You know, because that's exactly what your said and all...
Weird, I thought your point was...
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ...what you know of King has been sanitized for whites and neutered into some peacenik that advocated for a colorblind society. He's closer to Jeremiah Wright than most people realize.[/QUOTE]
You know, because that's exactly what your said and all...
Tawana Brawley, Central Park Jogger, Crown Heights, Freddie's Fashion Shop. Read about them, or don't. Read about "diamond dealers" and "white interlopers" in context.
If Sharpton was misquoted or taken out of context at Crown Heights, show me. It took me all of two seconds to bring up the very next words out of MLK's mouth which denounced violence.
If Sharpton was misquoted or taken out of context at Crown Heights, show me. It took me all of two seconds to bring up the very next words out of MLK's mouth which denounced violence.
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Can you imagine if you held everyone to the standards you hold Jackson and Sharpton (that is, letting 20+ year old incidents frame their entire life and how you view *everything* about them)?
Hey, don't forget to mention that one time Jackson said "Hymietown," right?
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[quote name='mykevermin']
Can you imagine if you held everyone to the standards you hold Jackson and Sharpton (that is, letting 20+ year old incidents frame their entire life and how you view *everything* about them)?
Hey, don't forget to mention that one time Jackson said "Hymietown," right?[/QUOTE]
So yeah, that election right ???
Ever think it's weird that a country the size of the USA only has 2 political parties, well 2 that can be elected anyway?
Seem weird to me.
Can you imagine if you held everyone to the standards you hold Jackson and Sharpton (that is, letting 20+ year old incidents frame their entire life and how you view *everything* about them)?
Hey, don't forget to mention that one time Jackson said "Hymietown," right?[/QUOTE]
So yeah, that election right ???
Ever think it's weird that a country the size of the USA only has 2 political parties, well 2 that can be elected anyway?
Seem weird to me.
Hey, remember when the "Racist Ron Paul Newsletters" was something we were all supposed to care about?
Those where published in the late 70's, early 80's. So, like 30 years ago.
But yeah, let's give folks a free pass for what they did 20 years ago. Wait ten more years, *then* bring it up. This stuff is like a fine wine and has to be aged.
Those where published in the late 70's, early 80's. So, like 30 years ago.
But yeah, let's give folks a free pass for what they did 20 years ago. Wait ten more years, *then* bring it up. This stuff is like a fine wine and has to be aged.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Hey, remember when the "Racist Ron Paul Newsletters" was something we were all supposed to care about?
Those where published in the late 70's, early 80's. So, like 30 years ago.
But yeah, let's give folks a free pass for what they did 20 years ago. Wait ten more years, *then* bring it up. This stuff is like a fine wine and has to be aged.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware you held those newsletters against Ron Paul. I thought that racist was your hero.
Those where published in the late 70's, early 80's. So, like 30 years ago.
But yeah, let's give folks a free pass for what they did 20 years ago. Wait ten more years, *then* bring it up. This stuff is like a fine wine and has to be aged.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware you held those newsletters against Ron Paul. I thought that racist was your hero.
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Very frustrating morning for me. I was taking my 11 year old nephew to school this morning and he asks me if I had seen the funny sign that says Honk for Obama but then there is a sign right next to it that says Honk if you are stupid. He says it is funny and that his Dad thinks is it funny. At this point I am annoyed but I never say anything because 1. He is not my kid and 2. He is 11 years old. But then he tells me he does not think he could live next to a Democrat when he grows up. I almost lost my shit. I like his Dad but what the are you telling an 11 year old that he thinks he might not be able to live next to someone. Anyway, I just told him he already lives next to Democrats and that being from one party or the other does not define them as a good or bad person. He seemed confused but I did not care. This is the bullshit people do to their kids. My Dad is a Republican and he hates I am a Dem but I so glad my parents did not try to stuff a bunch of ideology in my head and allowed me to choose for myself when I was old enough to decide.
are you telling an 11 year old that he thinks he might not be able to live next to someone. Anyway, I just told him he already lives next to Democrats and that being from one party or the other does not define them as a good or bad person. He seemed confused but I did not care. This is the bullshit people do to their kids. My Dad is a Republican and he hates I am a Dem but I so glad my parents did not try to stuff a bunch of ideology in my head and allowed me to choose for myself when I was old enough to decide.
[quote name='Soodmeg']Seriously, I am gonna have to bow out of this thread. I cant take all of these white guys who only paid attention 3 days during black history month trying to make points using the same information that learned in ing high school.
Dafoomie for black people everywhere...shut the up. I bet you cant even name any other black activist other than Sharpton and Jackson without googling them. You are embarrassing yourself.
Dafoomie I know you are too incompetent to understand this but the Civil Rights movement wasnt that long ago so MOST of the people involved are still alive and walking around. I suggest you go talk to some of them because you are the very reason why people like my mother (who was in the black panther movement) still loathes white people to this day. When I ask her why she still hates white people so much her answer is always the same,
"Because white people havent changed at all....they are just not allowed to openly lynch us anymore. They will talk to you all day about what our (black folks) forfathers did or did not do but they are to cowardly to ask their own fathers if they were the ones denying us loans, jobs and housing based on skin."
Instead of talking about Jackson and Sharpton, where were you on the Todd Akin discussion? How about you talk about Randy Gray...outspoken KKK member who was elected to the Repub party in Michigan in 2008? How about Steve smith? How about David Duke? I bet you dont even know who these people are off hand do you? Know anything about the growing number of white supremacist who are filing for political office? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...itical-office-in-2012-in-growing-numbers.html) No? Of course you dont but you spend all of your time apparently defending MLK.[/QUOTE]
So he cannot criticize one without the other? So when you are criticizing these "white supremacists" you are then also embarrassing yourself because you aren't including Sharpton and Jackson in your argument that these people are appealing to an us vs them mentality that isn't good for anyone? Really?
ing high school.Dafoomie for black people everywhere...shut the
up. I bet you cant even name any other black activist other than Sharpton and Jackson without googling them. You are embarrassing yourself. Dafoomie I know you are too incompetent to understand this but the Civil Rights movement wasnt that long ago so MOST of the people involved are still alive and walking around. I suggest you go talk to some of them because you are the very reason why people like my mother (who was in the black panther movement) still loathes white people to this day. When I ask her why she still hates white people so much her answer is always the same,
"Because white people havent changed at all....they are just not allowed to openly lynch us anymore. They will talk to you all day about what our (black folks) forfathers did or did not do but they are to cowardly to ask their own fathers if they were the ones denying us loans, jobs and housing based on skin."
Instead of talking about Jackson and Sharpton, where were you on the Todd Akin discussion? How about you talk about Randy Gray...outspoken KKK member who was elected to the Repub party in Michigan in 2008? How about Steve smith? How about David Duke? I bet you dont even know who these people are off hand do you? Know anything about the growing number of white supremacist who are filing for political office? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...itical-office-in-2012-in-growing-numbers.html) No? Of course you dont but you spend all of your time apparently defending MLK.[/QUOTE]
So he cannot criticize one without the other? So when you are criticizing these "white supremacists" you are then also embarrassing yourself because you aren't including Sharpton and Jackson in your argument that these people are appealing to an us vs them mentality that isn't good for anyone? Really?
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[quote name='Soodmeg']
"Because white people havent changed at all....they are just not allowed to openly lynch us anymore. They will talk to you all day about what our (black folks) forfathers did or did not do but they are to cowardly to ask their own fathers if they were the ones denying us loans, jobs and housing based on skin."
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I am not sure how this is not a racist sentiment? It would be like Jews still hating Germans for what the Nazi party did. Should you hate Nazis? Yes. Should you hate racist white people? Yes. But to hate EVERY white person? That seems racist in itself.
"Because white people havent changed at all....they are just not allowed to openly lynch us anymore. They will talk to you all day about what our (black folks) forfathers did or did not do but they are to cowardly to ask their own fathers if they were the ones denying us loans, jobs and housing based on skin."
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I am not sure how this is not a racist sentiment? It would be like Jews still hating Germans for what the Nazi party did. Should you hate Nazis? Yes. Should you hate racist white people? Yes. But to hate EVERY white person? That seems racist in itself.
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