40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

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Stolen from GAF who stole it from Arstechnica:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thu...-in-our-mole-lets-us-in-on-sonys-future-plans

$400 40GB PS3 with Spidey 3 Blu-ray pack-in? Our mole tells all
By Ben Kuchera | Published: September 09, 2007 - 10:16PM CT

Our mole has a great track record: both the Xbox 360 HDMI story and the wired Xbox 360 Rock Band controllers have since been confirmed. Whoever our friendly inside source is, he's got some great contacts. Now he's ready to tell us what Sony's console pricing plans may soon look like. Here's how Sony's platform pricing will shape up by the holiday shopping season:

80GB PlayStation 3: $499.99
40GB PlayStation 3: $399.99
Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray movie pack in with one, or both
PlayStation 2: $99.99

The 80GB price drop isn't that shocking, but a new $400 40GB system would be huge news. Would people be willing to part with 40GB to save $100? I think so, and having a $400 PlayStation 3 option would be a great weapon this holiday season. If they get to show off the Blu-ray capabilities of the system with Spider-Man 3 bundled? That's a nice package.

The $99.99 PlayStation 2 would ensure that the venerable system will continue to sell well. This is rumor for now, but when Sony makes some announcements at the Tokyo Game Show, I would not be shocked if these were among them. You heard it here first.
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All of that seems possible aside from the 40GB SKU, but that is definitely something Sony would need this holiday season.
 
I would bite for the 40 gb SKU. Hell if this deal at gamecrazy continues to hold with the playstation 2s at 90 dollars trade in value, then I'll definitely do it. I'll even cheapen it up by getting the 20 gb "with emotion engine still intact" and try to see how cheap I can go.
 
i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.
 
Kind of opposite of what Kaz said about wanting to keep a single sku. Still, it's a lovely rumor and those prices would certainly move more PS3s this holiday.
 
[quote name='thespamofpower']i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.[/QUOTE]

The 60GB and 20GB were like this too. Although the 60GB had additional features, there were still taking a bigger loss on the 20GBs.

It's normally done as a 'bait and switch' type of thing. The $400 price will entice many more buyers, and, when they get to the store, they will see they can get the 'premium version' for only $100 more. This won't work on everyone (It's mainly for the more uninformed casual crowd), but it will bring in this few extra sales on the 80GB that might not have otherwise happened.
 
[quote name='thespamofpower']i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.[/QUOTE]I see Sony dropping WiFi and card readers, maybe something else too.
 
two points:

1. Toshiba is pissed off that there's even a chance in hell that a blu ray movie is being packed in with the PS3.

2. 399/499 is pretty good pricing, however... its not worth nothing if they don't advertise it right. PS3 needs FFVII, and HALO 3 treatment.
Sony needs to make kids believe if they get anything other than a PS3 for chrismas, then they've gotten a lump of coal.
 
I'd buy a 40 gig at that price. :)

Well, I would, but my nice job ends December, and I need to conserve money for a few months...
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Thats pretty damn close to the sweet spot.[/QUOTE]$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

If I were Sony, I would:

80GB
Same stuff
Spiderman The Movie 3 blu-ray
HDMI cable also included

40GB
Mostly identical as 20GB, without WiFi and card readers.

Sell WiFi adapters for $60
Sell card readers for $30
 
I've got $325 of trade in credit built up, I'd love it if a $400 model was release, and SOON!

I might just say screw it and get a 60 gig, cause I've already been burned on the 360's crapp BC.

But I don't see this happening until they offically are out of 60 gigs. I don't think Sony wants 3 different SKUs of their system availible at one time. Everyone seams to be sticking to cheap low end model and more costly high end.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

[/QUOTE]

And that's why no one takes you seriously on these boards.
 
Damn, I was just hoping they would keep one version as there main system. I thought that was the whole point of getting rid of the 60/20gb versions. Ah well, if it helps sell PS3's then I can't blame Sony for doing that.


[quote name='The Mana Knight']$500 is already cheap to me. ;)[/QUOTE]


:whistle2:s
 
What's funny is that one thing that is kinda putting me off from getting a PS3 is the fact that I'm totally addicted to acheievement points and if I got a PS3 I would only be buy the exclusive games as I would probably purchase the 360 version of anything else.

While the PS3 will have a pretty good exclusive lineup by next year I'm just not sure if it's enough to drop $500 on.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

[/QUOTE]


That's because you don't have any expenses because you live in your parents' basement.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']$500 is already cheap to me. ;)[/quote]
I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

I could understand "I think $500 is a great value for the machine", but 'cheap' is entirely wrong. $500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

$500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.[/QUOTE]PS3 is not just a games machine. Also, I spend $500 on my PS2 console with memory cards (Yes, I had to buy a lot in the end), network adapter, and multi-tap. I didn't have to buy any of that with my PS3, and that's why I say its cheap. And, I got a pretty good bonus of stuff (like blu-ray, web browser, best quality music player I own, etc.). The only difference is, more money up front (although I spent $500 for my PS2, Xbox, and 360 bundle. Difference is that I did not get a game for two weeks. Not an issue IMO, since I can download stuff from PSN while waiting and eventually, having just a few games at launch will mean nothing when my collection reactes 40+ in the future).
[quote name='Apossum']That's because you don't have any expenses because you live in your parents' basement.[/QUOTE]
I live by myself in an apartment, and I do have expenses.
[quote name='BattleChicken']I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

$500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.[/QUOTE]People would easily have the money if they didn't buy so many cheap, crappy $5-$10 games (Almost all the cheap games during Circuit City, Toy's R Us, Best Buy, etc. sales are crap) along with having a massive backlog of around 100-1000 games. Heck, I use to spend most of my money on cheap crappy games myself and know it eats up a lot of money. I completely stopped doing it (I'm not at all against getting good deals on video games, because I do it all the time, since I wait to get almost every game on sale, which is why I come here). Last Christmas, I had around $500 sitting around. I could have either bought more cheap video games I was never going to play, or I could get a PS3. I bought all the games I really wanted (except one), so I got a PS3. In reality, out of all the games I bought before my PS3, I only played like 50% of them while the rest were either sold or still collect dust. I ended up playing the PS3 daily. I rather have an awesome device around then several cheap games that only get $1-$2 trade-in credit at EB sitting around (which I either haven't opened and/or suck).

I'm not just talking about PS3 here, but all next gen consoles would be a better purchase than several cheap games to add to a backlog (unless they are a game you really want and will play). Sorry, I get a little crazy over this, because I use to be this way.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']PS3 is not just a games machine. Also, I spend $500 on my PS3 console with memory cards (Yes, I had to buy a lot in the end), network adapter, and multi-tap. I didn't have to buy any of that with my PS3, and that's why I say its cheap. And, I got a pretty good bonus of stuff (like blu-ray, web browser, best quality music player I own, etc.). The only difference is, more money up front (although I spent $500 for my PS2, Xbox, and 360 bundle. Difference is that I did not get a game for two weeks. Not an issue IMO, since I can download stuff from PSN while waiting and eventually, having just a few games at launch will mean nothing when my collection reactes 40+ in the future).

I live by myself in an apartment, and I do have expenses.[/quote]

Ohhh....

What you MEAN to say is "The PS3 is a Great value at $500" -- that is very different than "The PS3 is cheap at $500".

I can understand "The PS3 is a great value", while I may not agree with the logic behind it, I can certainly understand what you mean and respect your perspective.

Great value and Cheap are not the same thing.
 
I don't see this happening for the point thespamispower mentioned.
Why would Sony sell a 40GB system for $400 and an 80GB for $500? The price difference between the HDD would be dollars. Seems like a giant loss on that 40GB system...unless its produced in the same ratio as the 20GB/60GB PS3s which was what, 1 out of 7?
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']Ohhh....

What you MEAN to say is "The PS3 is a Great value at $500" -- that is very different than "The PS3 is cheap at $500".

I can understand "The PS3 is a great value", while I may not agree with the logic behind it, I can certainly understand what you mean and respect your perspective.

Great value and Cheap are not the same thing.[/QUOTE]My mistake, I meant PS2, where I spent $300 on the console, $40 on network adapter, ~$20 for 8 memory cards, and $35 for a multi-tap. Basically, some may feel the PS2 is cheap, but in reality, it wasn't cheap in the end, and I still don't have anywhere near the storage space as PS3, features, and other stuff. That's why I don't complain anymore. I use to before I bought my PS3, until I took a long look at what I was getting compared to the PS2 (I bought a 20GB PS3 though).
 
A $400 PS3 will attract a lot of attention.

A $400 PS3 with some hot-ass games (Heavenly Sword, Eye of the Beholder, Ratchet and Clank) is dangerous to other consoles.

I'm glad the rumor suggests they're thinking of packing a BR title in every box - what better way to show your consumers what the system can do (surveys show only 40% of PS3 owners are aware it plays BR movies, and only half of those use it for that) than packing a movie in the box. Easy as pie, and with better dividends.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']
People would easily have the money if they didn't buy so many cheap, crappy $5-$10 games (Almost all the cheap games during Circuit City, Toy's R Us, Best Buy, etc. sales are crap) along with having a massive backlog of around 100-1000 games. Heck, I use to spend most of my money on cheap crappy games myself and know it eats up a lot of money. I completely stopped doing it (I'm not at all against getting good deals on video games, because I do it all the time, since I wait to get almost every game on sale, which is why I come here). Last Christmas, I had around $500 sitting around. I could have either bought more cheap video games I was never going to play, or I could get a PS3. I bought all the games I really wanted (except one), so I got a PS3. In reality, out of all the games I bought before my PS3, I only played like 50% of them while the rest were either sold or still collect dust. I ended up playing the PS3 daily. I rather have an awesome device around then several cheap games that only get $1-$2 trade-in credit at EB sitting around (which I either haven't opened and/or suck).[/quote]

So.. now cheap = crappy? I thought the PS3 was cheap?

Wordplay aside, Cost does not equate to goodness or badness. There $60 PS3 coaster games (Gundam anyone?) on that snazzy PS3 of yours.

I'm sorry, but just because its inexpensive at Circuit on clearance doesn't make it bad. I love my $12 copy of Godhand.. I'd love to get my hands on the $11 (now) copy of MGS:pO for the PSP. I haven't spent full price on any game since I joined CAG.

I don't think its a logical argument you're using to defend your position.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']A $400 PS3 will attract a lot of attention.

A $400 PS3 with some hot-ass games (Heavenly Sword, Eye of the Beholder, Ratchet and Clank) is dangerous to other consoles.

I'm glad the rumor suggests they're thinking of packing a BR title in every box - what better way to show your consumers what the system can do (surveys show only 40% of PS3 owners are aware it plays BR movies, and only half of those use it for that) than packing a movie in the box. Easy as pie, and with better dividends.[/quote]

I can envision them only including a composite cable too. That would classic.
 
I would guess that sony is making the 80 gig and if true the 40gig with less parts (no emotion chip) and is costing less then it did to create the 20 and 60gigs last year.

And blu ray technology is falling fast too.


A 399 40gig ps3 makes perfect sense.
A 499 80gig ps3 is geared toward the more "elite" players.
I would expect to see 399 ps3s sold out everywhere and stores unable to sell the 499.


Their is a long history of magic price points for game consoles and sonys biggest mistake was starting at 499 and 599.
And being released onto the market just a few days before the MUCH cheaper wii didnt help any.
 
Well, enough with the arguing, but I really do want to see Sony do this, because a $400 PS3 would be good for the market. I want PS3 to perform much better, and a $400 price tag might do it. But what worries me is, people will assume its a tard back (because of the 360 situation) and avoid it.
[quote name='Ivanhoe']I would guess that sony is making the 80 gig and if true the 40gig with less parts (no emotion chip) and is costing less then it did to create the 20 and 60gigs last year.

And blu ray technology is falling fast too.


A 399 40gig ps3 makes perfect sense.
A 499 80gig ps3 is geared toward the more "elite" players.
I would expect to see 399 ps3s sold out everywhere and stores unable to sell the 499.


Their is a long history of magic price points for game consoles and sonys biggest mistake was starting at 499 and 599.
And being released onto the market just a few days before the MUCH cheaper wii didnt help any.[/QUOTE]I know some who said, they'd buy a PS3 for every family member so they can at least watch blu-rays, at that price.
 
[quote name='Halo05']What the fuck is a "tard back"?[/quote]

it is a reference to the Xbox 360 core system, which lacks the hard drive..

Perhaps the 20 gig PS3..? Even though it wasn't gimped at all.


I tend to agree about the HDless 360, mind you.. I thought it was curious that they did that when the original Xboxes ALL had HDs...
 
Well even if the 40gb does not have Bc. cant u just download it off PSN?

If u can do this then PS3 will sale like crack in a dope house. And if u need a bigger hard drive u can easily swap it out. I dont know but i dont think 4 games could take up 40gb of space. And i dont know anybody who plays more then 4 games at a time. But dont bash me bc i am just assuming.

I will most def. got get one now.
 
A very good move, if true, and right on the border of getting me to pull the trigger. So ... very ... close ...

But I'd be wary of it, until I knew what was getting dropped. As others have said, 40gig v 60 gig isn't a hundred bucks. Something else is falling through the cracks, and if it's something important, it could be another "foot, meet bullet" kind of move.
 
oh yea if something big was droped out the i would hold out a little longer. Just get rid of the card slot reader.
 
oh yea if something big was droped out the i would hold out a little longer. Just get rid of the card slot reader.
 
Maybe the new 40gb sku will use the "cheaper to mass produced" 65nm chipset , like what MS is doing for the holiday XB360s. Also, I favor removing the card reader and ... throw out the useless composite cables. Consumers should realize the PS3 is made for HDTVs, period.
 
The card reader is pretty useless. might as well just buy a whole usb HDD and use it for backing up the entire system. I guess an MS pro duo slot is the only one that could be useful at this point.
 
Forget the 60gb version w/the emulation engine then, I'll wait to see if the 40gb comes out for $400 this holiday. My PS2 still works, I'll just play any game that's not supported by the emulator on it.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

If I were Sony, I would:

80GB
Same stuff
Spiderman The Movie 3 blu-ray
HDMI cable also included

40GB
Mostly identical as 20GB, without WiFi and card readers.

Sell WiFi adapters for $60
Sell card readers for $30[/QUOTE]



I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.[/QUOTE]
Just because the 360 WiFi adapter is highly overpriced, doesn't mean that WiFI inside the PS3 is more valuable.

Especially since there are much cheaper 3rd party adapters. I used my $15 Lynksys WiFi adapter for both my 360 and 20GB PS3.
 
[quote name='Raymond']fuck sony, i just paid $500 for the 60GB few days ago.[/QUOTE]You paid for full BC, which these newer SKUs will lack, so be happy about that.
[quote name='Thomas96']I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's why I use that argument over and over again.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']You paid for full BC, which these newer SKUs will lack, so be happy about that.
Yeah, that's why I use that argument over and over again.[/quote]

Which is why that argument is weak you dont have to buy the 100 dollar wifi adapter. Like zewone just said a 15 dollar lynksys adapter and it works just fine.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Which is why that argument is weak you dont have to buy the 100 dollar wifi adapter. Like zewone just said a 15 dollar lynksys adapter and it works just fine.[/QUOTE]Gaming adapters, or some kind of wireless bridge is not cheap at all. I've been looking at them for my PS3, and they cost around $50-$100, unless you buy used.

zewone is on my ignore, so I never know what he is saying.
 
If you just look for deals on them they arent that expensive at all. Maybe at retail stores but not online. They can easily be had for 20 dollars.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Gaming adapters, or some kind of wireless bridge is not cheap at all. I've been looking at them for my PS3, and they cost around $50-$100, unless you buy used.

zewone is on my ignore, so I never know what he is saying.[/QUOTE]
You just need to look around a little more, they have them for cheaper then that.
 
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