40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='zewone']Just because the 360 WiFi adapter is highly overpriced, doesn't mean that WiFI inside the PS3 is more valuable.

Especially since there are much cheaper 3rd party adapters. I used my $15 Lynksys WiFi adapter for both my 360 and 20GB PS3.[/QUOTE]


All consumers aren't as savvy as you are zewone, they may pay for the xbox wifi adapter thinking that it is the one that is supposed to be used for the system. MS didn't put that on shelves just to have an option, it was with the understanding that the 99.99 wifi adapter is what they want to offer to their customers who want that type of service. No one can say that Sony overcharged their customes for anything.
 
Price drops are good.. but is this enough to defeat the Wii this holiday season... The Wii is selling based on its popularity.... Sony needs to treat the PS3 like a hollywood start, put it in movies, music videos, commercials, flyers, talk shows... lol I hope they can do it.
 
Just because people are stupid and cant figure out their are cheaper alternatives, that means that the ps3 wifi is worth 100 dollars. I dont think so.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Just because people are stupid and cant figure out their are cheaper alternatives, that means that the ps3 wifi is worth 100 dollars. I dont think so.[/QUOTE]


well in the world of xbox ... the PS3 wifi is worth 99.99

or is it.. 15 for the adapter, and 75 for the xbox brand, and 10 for the packaging..
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well in the world of xbox ... the PS3 wifi is worth 99.99

or is it.. 15 for the adapter, and 75 for the xbox brand, and 10 for the packaging..[/quote]

What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.[/QUOTE]



maybe not in actuality, no the ps3 adapter isn't worth the 360 adapter, but the fact that to acheive that funcationality with xbox it could cost you 99.99; means that is a 99.99 that you don't have to spend on the ps3.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']I see Sony dropping WiFi and card readers, maybe something else too.[/quote]

You mean like they SHOULD have done instead of dropping the BC components which could've been whored out to consumers in ads. I can see it now, they could've said something like.....


Playstation 3........The Future Is Now!!! Are you stuck playing your Playstation and Playstation 2 games in the past? Well, NOW you can play them on your Playstation 3....GET ONE NOWWWWWW!!!!

I mean, for cripes sake, remove stuff that many won't use, not the stuff many people MAY be using.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']maybe not in actuality, no the ps3 adapter isn't worth the 360 adapter, but the fact that to acheive that funcationality with xbox it could cost you 99.99; means that is a 99.99 that you don't have to spend on the ps3.[/quote]

How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.[/quote]

His argument is completly illogical.. you aught to just ignore it.

Its absurdly weak and responding to it gives it more relevence than it deserves.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.[/QUOTE]

well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com...cessories/m/12999173/search=xbox 360 adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. ..................................................just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com...cessories/m/12999173/search=xbox 360 adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. ..................................................just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.[/QUOTE]

But his point is that you don't have to pay $100 to get that functionality. You're trapped in your own circular logic. Have fun in there!
 
[quote name='InuFaye']What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.[/QUOTE]Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.
 
OK this thread is becoming the "Wifi 360 adapotor is/isn't too expensive" lets get back on topic.

I'm hoping that maybe Sony announces these price changes at TGS today. If so, my $350 in credit will be spent by sundown tomorrow.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Mana Knight calling someone a fanboy, fucking priceless
 
Does anyone really think they might pull Wi-Fi out of the 40 gb PS3?

That would probably put me off getting it, isn't the Wi-Fi that comes with the PS3 required to transfer stuff to the PSP due to some security thing it uses. So third-party Wi-Fi adapters can't do it.

I could be way off on that.
 
I don't see Sony pulling the wi-fi but I do see them pulling the memory card reader. It isn't expensive but it isn't neaded and every little bit helps considering they make millions of these a year.
 
[quote name='munch']But his point is that you don't have to pay $100 to get that functionality. You're trapped in your own circular logic. Have fun in there![/QUOTE]


that's true for all products... if someone WANTS that functionaility, then they pay at most 100.00
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.[/quote]
Ok..

First, XBL is optional, and with the CHOICE for a XBL gold membership, you get stable servers and a consistent experience. If, say, *you* had a 360 and didn't think XBL gold it was worth it, you could decide to NOT buy it -- I fail to see how the consumer is raped out of anything there. It is not required to play games, just to play online.

Secondly, you can use standard rechargable batteries in the 360 controller as well. I tend to agree that the play and charge kit is a waste.. but, again, it is OPTIONAL. I personally spent $10 for 16 AA rechargable batteries, and $5 for the charger. the batteries run ALL my household AA devices.

Now, the pitfall in your battery argument is that all rechargable batteries have a limited lifespan. So, eventually the PS3 controller, with its internal battery, will have to be replaced because the battery eihter dies, or has drastically reduced charge life. There's a cost associated with that as well, and replacing my $15 in rechargable batteries (rated for 10,000 recharges before a tangible drop in lifespan) cost less than a new PS3 controller.

Third.. the arguments for and against the XBOX 360 wireless adaptor are illogical and poorly supported. using similar logic.. I could assert that because *I* don't care about wireless, that Sony is charging me for a feature I don't want, and because the XBOX 360 wireless adaptor is $100 (MSRP), that The PS3 is $100 more expensive because of its wireless. It is flawed logic, and the argument doesn't deserve attention.

The HDMI cable is a perfect example, but it really supports the OTHER side of your argument, my little friend. Again this gets back to choice -- the XBOX 360 branded wifi is $100, but there are much less expensive alternatives. Monster branded 'super' HDMI cables run $170, while there are identially functioning cables available for $6 off monoprice. Just because something is GROSSLY overpriced, does not render the less expensive alternatives moot.

There are also LOTS of people like me, who think wireless sucks for gaming, and would rather run some network cable for the better overall speed (standard 802.11 G is 50-55 MBPS.. wire is 100 MBPS or faster max speed) so I don't CARE about the wireless at all.. meaning the 'extras' for the XBOX 360 are just that - extra. I don't need them, because I can play without it. The choice to get a wireless adaptor is there if I ever change my mind, but its just that -- a choice. I am not FORCED to buy a wireless adaptor, neither are you. Its cool that the PS3 has it built in, but it is NOT required.

... which gets back to the original topic. If the Wireless is removed from the 40 gig model, which I would imagine costs more than the hardware backwords compatability, and the card readers were pulled, then the overall cost could drop enough that the margin gap between the 40 gig and 80 gig models would be similar, so it wouldn't suprise me if there WAS a $400 PS3 soon.. at which time i'll bite and buy one.

Edit: One thing I DO think is a complete rip off, and a crime against all that is good and pure is the proprietary hard drive in the 360 that costs 5 or 6 times what a similarly sized standard internal HD costs. Sony got it right, with the easy-to-replace HD.
 
Spiderman 3 was a really shitty movie. Luckily, I didn't pay to see it nor I watch the whole thing. Why don't they ever bundle good movies or allow you to pick better movies from that mail-in rebate?
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']
zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.[/QUOTE]
I haven't posted anything recently in this thread. :lol:

Tool.
 
How come logic defies all fanboys. Its like the brain doesnt work most of the time. I would rather pay my 50 dollars a year to have a good online service with xbox, then the shit that is PSN. 50 dollars a year is not alot in the grand scheme of things.
 
I never could make a blind man see the light, and especially not 360 fanboys Just like how we were comparing the price of the PS3 vs the price of a xbox 360 w/ HD DVD, with, wifi adapter, just set up similar experiences. We're comparing the price of a service/product. 360 100.00 ps3, much less than 100 for wifi, which is included. And I'd like to find a wifi adapter for 15.00 dollars.. cause at price you're not getting a new 802.11b adapter... probably 802.10.. lol

The 360 is a decent system, lots of support, lots of games. But out of the box the ps3 is more valuable, and with this upcoming price drop it'll be even more valuable.

Saying that the ps3 wifi is worth at most 100.00 dollars is justified by the 360 having their wifi adapter at 100.00, just as people say that in some ways the PS3 blu ray drive is worth 1000.00 because, blu ray players are 1000.00[at the time of the ps3 launch]. If you can't get that then you're the fanboy that people and yourselves are talking about....
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com...cessories/m/12999173/search=xbox 360 adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. ..................................................just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.[/QUOTE]


but yet i bought my wireless access point/wireless "adapter" for my 360 for $20 at a CompUSA sale.

HOW??

By not being stupid and buying a non-M$ brand wireless access point.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']so wait, now there's a 20gb, 60gb, 80gb, and now a 40gb PS3 :rofl:[/QUOTE]

I dunno, since the drive isn't proprietary--- It really doesn't seem like a big deal, and fact of the matter is I've still got LOADS of room on my 60gb. Sony is trying to get it down to that magic price as best it can, sure they're going to a release a Pimp my Ride, "check out how much I spent on this piece of electronic equipment", edition, but I think going small to get em out the door this holiday is a good call.

Lair is sub-standard, and Heavenly Sword is a rental at 5 hours long-- while the ps3 still has a good bit coming out, any little bit helps selling the hardware now that its missed two highly anticipated opportunities.
 
[quote name='souNReAL']but yet i bought my wireless access point/wireless "adapter" for my 360 for $20 at a CompUSA sale.

HOW??

By not being stupid and buying a non-M$ brand wireless access point.[/QUOTE]


yeah, but like all sales, they're for a limited time, you saw a sale and 'came up' but not everyone is going to be able to get 20 dollar adapters...
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']so wait, now there's a 20gb, 60gb, 80gb, and now a 40gb PS3 :rofl:[/quote]The Core man, the Core.

And javeryh? Sigh.
 
[quote name='javeryh']This discussion is irrelevant until they get a AAA game out.[/QUOTE]
What he said. I have to say though, it's getting pretty close to the price point I would buy it at. This is probably the first system that I've skipped because of the pricing. No matter how much technology they put in it, 600 dollars for what is primarily a game system is a lot of money. I think I'll probably still hold out for a 300 price point though, unless some game comes out that I just gotta have right now.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']yeah, but like all sales, they're for a limited time, you saw a sale and 'came up' but not everyone is going to be able to get 20 dollar adapters...[/quote]

And not everyone gives a shit to do the following on their GAME system:

1) Play movies(of any format)
2) upload stuff from their umpteen memory card formats(of which some of us have none and don't really need the damned ports for them)
3) Play online(wirelessly or wired)
4)Surf the internet(hello....PCs....this is why THEY exist nowadays for MANY people, for surfing the net)

So, all of the arguments for/against certain 'secondary' purchases for the 360 and PS3(if you bought the supposed 'gimped' 20 gb model)are futile for gamers like myself, who don't need all this garbage on their systems to enjoy them for the purpose WE plan on buying them for.

Only reason holding me back from buying a 360 is the failure rate, though the extended warranty handles most of those instances quite nicely. And on the other side of things, the price of the bloated PS3 models(too many functions I don't need on the 60/80 gb models)are the stopping block there.

So please.....keep the arguments about what is and isn't needed for 'full' functionality to yourself....since not all of us give a shit to use every stupid function some game console manufacturer seems all too eager to shove down our throats this gen. :roll:
 
I dont mind ceding that the PS3 has a tremendous value as far as the technology involved, but that seems largely irrelevant. People buy these things as a function of the gaming value.

Furthermore, high tech for the value has a REALLY bad track record as far as winning marketshare.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I dont mind ceding that the PS3 has a tremendous value as far as the technology involved, but that seems largely irrelevant. People buy these things as a function of the gaming value.

Furthermore, high tech for the value has a REALLY bad track record as far as winning marketshare.[/quote]

Precisely what I just said, but concise and to the point. I know the PS3 has alot of tech in it, but how much of it am I(as a gamer who has never used his systems to do anything but play games, cept when testing them prior to trading in) going to actually use.

The most 'secondary' use I ever used out of any console was to test the CD playback on a PS1 and rip a cd or two to my HDD on my Xbox for use in San Andreas or Vice City.
 
[quote name='dallow']How come you avoid talk about Persona 3 on PS3 DMK?[/quote]

I'm going to go with, because I dont' know what you're talking about :)
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I'm going to go with, because I dont' know what you're talking about :)[/quote]Hehe. Gotta be moneyhats right? ;)
 
OK, I caught up on the news. It just means I'll miss out on that one game in the event that the PS3 isnt reasonably priced by the time I clear my backlog in 2010.

Hell, I didnt get the play SMT 9 on the xbox, and I havent cried too much over it. Technically I cant play it, but thats besides the point.

I've already pulled all my NIS support since their PS3 dev solidified. I didnt buy Grim Grimoire and I'm not buying Soul Nomad. I dont want my funds going toward that.
 
Now that's the DMK I know and love!

Judging from the screenshots, they probably don't need that much money to develop their PS3 games.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Does anyone really think they might pull Wi-Fi out of the 40 gb PS3?

That would probably put me off getting it, isn't the Wi-Fi that comes with the PS3 required to transfer stuff to the PSP due to some security thing it uses. So third-party Wi-Fi adapters can't do it.

I could be way off on that.[/QUOTE]

PS3/PSP communication is done via USB cable (the same one you use to charge your controller). For transferring PSX games and saves, right?

Unless you're using remote play, of course. ;)
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']And not everyone gives a shit to do the following on their GAME system:

1) Play movies(of any format)
2) upload stuff from their umpteen memory card formats(of which some of us have none and don't really need the damned ports for them)
3) Play online(wirelessly or wired)
4)Surf the internet(hello....PCs....this is why THEY exist nowadays for MANY people, for surfing the net)

So, all of the arguments for/against certain 'secondary' purchases for the 360 and PS3(if you bought the supposed 'gimped' 20 gb model)are futile for gamers like myself, who don't need all this garbage on their systems to enjoy them for the purpose WE plan on buying them for.

Only reason holding me back from buying a 360 is the failure rate, though the extended warranty handles most of those instances quite nicely. And on the other side of things, the price of the bloated PS3 models(too many functions I don't need on the 60/80 gb models)are the stopping block there.

So please.....keep the arguments about what is and isn't needed for 'full' functionality to yourself....since not all of us give a shit to use every stupid function some game console manufacturer seems all too eager to shove down our throats this gen. :roll:[/QUOTE]


I must have made a good point, because this where people run to... so once again.. yes games come first before all, but who can say in retrospect that they were willing to purchase a ps3 that doesn't use blu ray, or doesn't have a hard drive, card slots, dvd upscaling. Who can say that the 360 wouldn't have been a better system if it had card slots, a non proprietary hdd, and hd dvd included. Toshiba sure would have been happy, and perhaps, HD-DVD would be winning its battle. About 5 monts ago [when ps3 didn't have the ability] it was probably you who are praising the 360 for upscaling DVDs, now you in here saying you don't give a shit about it and other functions. Just like Nintendo went their own way in their system design, so did Sony. SCE - Sony Computer Entertainment, it's not a JUST games company. The PS3 was meant to be a entertainment hub, muisc, movies and games, instead of bitching, how about just appreciating the fact that there's an option [on the market] to have a everything included hub that you can even choose. A product you don't have to go out and buy peripherals for. [other than HDMI cord and controllers] Soon you can get it all for 399 or 499; Once you own a PS3, come back and tell uswhat you think.. till then... shut up
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']OK, I caught up on the news. It just means I'll miss out on that one game in the event that the PS3 isnt reasonably priced by the time I clear my backlog in 2010.[/quote]

Where might I find this news? I have no idea what you guys are talking about, and I can't seem to find it.
 
[quote name='elmyra']Where might I find this news? I have no idea what you guys are talking about, and I can't seem to find it.[/QUOTE]

I'm unsure myself, I think they mean Disgaea 3, unless there was an announcement at TGS that I missed or something.

$400 PS3? Sony seems to be on the up swing lately (disregarding the whole Lair debacle), and this can only help.
 
[quote name='dallow']Bad dallow, bad!

Yes, I was thinking Disgaea 3.

So what the heck is DMK talking about then?[/quote]

Gotcha, I had already heard about that one. It doesn't really look like a PS3 game, but I'm sure I'll still want it.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I must have made a good point, because this where people run to... so once again.. yes games come first before all, but who can say in retrospect that they were willing to purchase a ps3 that doesn't use blu ray, or doesn't have a hard drive, card slots, dvd upscaling. Who can say that the 360 wouldn't have been a better system if it had card slots, a non proprietary hdd, and hd dvd included. Toshiba sure would have been happy, and perhaps, HD-DVD would be winning its battle. About 5 monts ago [when ps3 didn't have the ability] it was probably you who are praising the 360 for upscaling DVDs, now you in here saying you don't give a shit about it and other functions. Just like Nintendo went their own way in their system design, so did Sony. SCE - Sony Computer Entertainment, it's not a JUST games company. The PS3 was meant to be a entertainment hub, muisc, movies and games, instead of bitching, how about just appreciating the fact that there's an option [on the market] to have a everything included hub that you can even choose. A product you don't have to go out and buy peripherals for. [other than HDMI cord and controllers] Soon you can get it all for 399 or 499; Once you own a PS3, come back and tell uswhat you think.. till then... shut up[/quote]

I don't own a 360, nor a PS3 nor a Wii, so why are you ASSuming that I do own one of them? Is it because you're insecure in your own purchase or that someone is saying that they don't need all the shit Sony decided to throw into it and force on consumers who may want a choice for their game consoles. There are some of us out here who still don't want an 'all in one' machine which does all the stuff that we don't need the options for in the first place.

At least I will say one thing, the hardware quality has most definitely improved from the PS2 to the PS3 and that is a definite bonus. But, I'm still not about to pay $500 for better quality, when I have a backlog of last gen stuff for my Xbox and PS2, which I'm rarely using anymore.

But, to each their own, I'll keep my computer for web surfing, my DVD player for playing movies(I also don't care about high def) and if I need to upload files, I'll do it from my friends computer, since I didn't opt for a floppy or other storage media drive on this computer.

All in all, any points you make are null and void to a true cheap ass gamer, who could care less about all of those extra features, even though they're nice to have, they are useless to me and always will be.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I don't own a 360, nor a PS3 nor a Wii, so why are you ASSuming that I do own one of them? Is it because you're insecure in your own purchase or that someone is saying that they don't need all the shit Sony decided to throw into it and force on consumers who may want a choice for their game consoles. There are some of us out here who still don't want an 'all in one' machine which does all the stuff that we don't need the options for in the first place.

At least I will say one thing, the hardware quality has most definitely improved from the PS2 to the PS3 and that is a definite bonus. But, I'm still not about to pay $500 for better quality, when I have a backlog of last gen stuff for my Xbox and PS2, which I'm rarely using anymore.

But, to each their own, I'll keep my computer for web surfing, my DVD player for playing movies(I also don't care about high def) and if I need to upload files, I'll do it from my friends computer, since I didn't opt for a floppy or other storage media drive on this computer.

All in all, any points you make are null and void to a true cheap ass gamer, who could care less about all of those extra features, even though they're nice to have, they are useless to me and always will be.[/QUOTE]

I know you don't own anything... especially not a ps3... LOL you're right... you are the cheapest gamer... if Sony sells blu ray... you'd rather them take back the blu and you'd just buy the ray. CAGs aren't affraid to spend money, being a CAG doesn't mean, not buying anything... or saying that all the extras included in something are bells and whistles. Saying that the things that are included in the PS3 are useless or not needed, is just you being cheap and making excuses not to buy something. Get real...
 
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