40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='Vanigan']Now as someone who liked my 360 and Halo and the games I played on it. I'm going all PS3 and only buying exclusives for my 360 now. I'll even wait for timed exclusives.

Why? Because my 360 all but died 1 day before Halo 3's release. The system went untouched for months, then I show my friend a demo and poof. Every game freezes in 3D scenes after 5-30 minutes, or at even more random intervals or events. It would have a ear shattering screeching noise over the speakers and overlay the frozen screen with block pixel noise. In desperation to join up with my friends in campaign co-op while it was still fresh and new, I used the towel trick, which basically gave me 1-4 hours of playtime before it froze. But by then they were already well past me.

PS3 may be more expensive and have fewer games right now, but you get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]

I hope you plan on calling MS, because your console is showing symptoms of "I'm gonna die soon" syndrome. It's what happened to mine back in April.
 
[quote name='c_maz34']In all these discussions of which has the better games, price, etc. I would think 'works' would be a pretty big factor.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14663/Halo-3-Disc-Read-Error-Driving-Gamers-Mad-UPDATED-/[/quote] the same thing happened w/ early copies of gears. i think it has to do w/ when they pump out copies extremely fast (81 copies were being made every second once production ramped to max). most people, new discs fixed this for. some it looks like maybe the HDD ended up w/ corrupted data off of a scratched disc. if thats the case a patch should be able to scan/isolate/repair the sectors. i seriously doubt it physically damaged 360s. only thing i could think is if ppl w/ old 360s that hadnt played them in a while and all of a sudden played halo 10 hours straight got the RRoD by coincidence. 2.5 million sold in 24 hours, that's to be expected.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Now as someone who liked my 360 and Halo and the games I played on it. I'm going all PS3 and only buying exclusives for my 360 now. I'll even wait for timed exclusives.

Why? Because my 360 all but died 1 day before Halo 3's release. The system went untouched for months, then I show my friend a demo and poof. Every game freezes in 3D scenes after 5-30 minutes, or at even more random intervals or events. It would have a ear shattering screeching noise over the speakers and overlay the frozen screen with block pixel noise. In desperation to join up with my friends in campaign co-op while it was still fresh and new, I used the towel trick, which basically gave me 1-4 hours of playtime before it froze. But by then they were already well past me.

PS3 may be more expensive and have fewer games right now, but you get what you pay for.[/quote]

Yep. Mine 'died' the same day.. it started freezing in eternal sonata.. and after it froze It would even freeze on any attempt to load a game..

I had a warranty i got for free when I bought my 360 through Gamestop, though, so I got one of the new premiums with HDMI out. If i didn't have the warranty (and I didn't buy it this time.. $50 for one year??) I would have been livid.

The failure rates on the 360 are absurd.. but I like the games. The PS3 is rock solid (very few failures I'm aware of...?) but no games I currently care about... yet. Sucky dilema.
 
The thing is, we're going to see things really heat up in the games competition come 2008. PS3 does have some good stuff coming out this year though, just not enough, and nothing that really looks like a blockbuster.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']
The failure rates on the 360 are absurd.. but I like the games. The PS3 is rock solid (very few failures I'm aware of...?) but no games I currently care about... yet. Sucky dilema.[/QUOTE]

Very sucky dilemma. Bought my first HDTV in June, and all I've had to play on it so far is 480 Wii and PS2 stuff. :whistle2:(

X-box 360 is too expensive, and worsened by the failure rate.
PS3 is too expensive, and has no games that are must plays for me yet.

Really itching for some HD gaming goodness.....
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']Damn.. this thread has become too rational and polite..

the PS3 is the best system ever. FOR TERRORISTS![/QUOTE]

Seriously, if you buy a PS3, the terrorists have won.

I'm beginning to think I should start buying lottery tickets. I feel like the one person who bought an early (manufactured Dec 2005) Xbox 360 that hasn't had a single issue with it. I've thrown all the tough games at it, Dead Rising, Halo 3, Forza 2 and it's never so much as looked at me funny. It crashed a couple times during Oblivion before that got patched but since then, nada.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Seriously, if you buy a PS3, the terrorists have won.

I'm beginning to think I should start buying lottery tickets. I feel like the one person who bought an early (manufactured Dec 2005) Xbox 360 that hasn't had a single issue with it. I've thrown all the tough games at it, Dead Rising, Halo 3, Forza 2 and it's never so much as looked at me funny. It crashed a couple times during Oblivion before that got patched but since then, nada.[/quote]You know terrorist grow PS3s in the fields of Iran and then sell them on the black market to fund their motives.
 
Make use of that HDTV, man! Sell your Wii now while it's still a hot commodity and buy a 360 or a PS3.

Doesn't really matter much which one you get unless you're in love with a particular MS or Sony franchise. Neither system is going anywhere and they'll have 90%+ the same games. Some will probably be a tad better on one system than the other (so far advantage to the 360 but that could change) but not so much that you'd notice unless you play them side-by-side. And certainly better than the Wii's GameCube+ graphics!


[quote name='dmaul1114']Very sucky dilemma. Bought my first HDTV in June, and all I've had to play on it so far is 480 Wii and PS2 stuff. :whistle2:(

X-box 360 is too expensive, and worsened by the failure rate.
PS3 is too expensive, and has no games that are must plays for me yet.

Really itching for some HD gaming goodness.....[/quote]
 
[quote name='dfo']Make use of that HDTV, man! Sell your Wii now while it's still a hot commodity and buy a 360 or a PS3.

Doesn't really matter much which one you get unless you're in love with a particular MS or Sony franchise. Neither system is going anywhere and they'll have 90%+ the same games. Some will probably be a tad better on one system than the other (so far advantage to the 360 but that could change) but not so much that you'd notice unless you play them side-by-side. And certainly better than the Wii's GameCube+ graphics![/QUOTE]

I was tempted, but while I don't like the Wii hardware, I'm a huge sucker for Nintendo's first party games. No way I can pass on Mario Galaxy or Super Smash Bros. If there's not much coming in 2008, I may ditch it the, as that would have covered Mario, Metroid and Zelda--and with Nintendo's track record, we'll be unlikely to get a sequel to any of those this gen (save maybe metroid since we got 2 on the GC).

If I was going to get one now, it would be the 360. I have a hard time imagining ever paying more than $300 for a console, but I might could swing $350 if some retailer gives away a game that I want this fall (not the MS bundle as I don't want Forza or Marvel: UA).

PS3 just isn't going to hit the $300-350 range anytime soon, and doesn't have a single exclusive game I want to play. Some exclusives coming down the road like FFXIII that I'd like, but I'd say the 360 has more that interest me with Crackdown, Gears, Halo, Mass Effect, Bioshock etc.

So I'll probably just hold onto the Wii, and hope Amazon has one of their bundles where they give away gears or something. I have $125 in GCs to there, so I could swing $349 for the HDMI w/heatsink model and a game pretty easily I think.
 
Whoah, good catch there nike. So they could extend the bluray deal, maybe add some more titles to the list and also announce the cheaper PS3 at the same time.

Sounds like that'd be enough to compete with MS's 360 bundles this holiday. And to do that, they'd better promote those games releasing around November 20th.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']
Sounds like that'd be enough to compete with MS's 360 bundles this holiday. And to do that, they'd better promote those games releasing around November 20th.[/QUOTE]

Not for people who want the games in the 360 bundles, and don't care about blu ray movies.

Neither appeal to me as I'm in no hurry to jump into bluray or HD DVD, and I have no interst in Forza 2/Marvel UA.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Not for people who want the games in the 360 bundles, and don't care about blu ray movies.

Neither appeal to me as I'm in no hurry to jump into bluray or HD DVD, and I have no interst in Forza 2/Marvel UA.[/quote]At the very least you could just reade in forza 2 and Marvel and put that towards a game you want.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']At the very least you could just reade in forza 2 and Marvel and put that towards a game you want.[/QUOTE]

You realize how low the trade in value will be on those once the bundle is out? They'll probably be like $2 a piece.

And probably not much better selling on eBay. Just not worth it. I'm sure Amazon or some other store will give away a better game or two with the console on their won this holiday season. They've had deals with Gears for free in the past, for example.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']You realize how low the trade in value will be on those once the bundle is out? They'll probably be like $2 a piece.

And probably not much better selling on eBay. Just not worth it. I'm sure Amazon or some other store will give away a better game or two with the console on their won this holiday season. They've had deals with Gears for free in the past, for example.[/quote]
gears will be 30 bucks this holiday season. forza 2 & Marvel will still be 60.

i dont know what you guys have against those games. they both got great scores.

forza 2
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/932731.asp

marvel: ua
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932586.asp
 
[quote name='propeller_head']gears will be 30 bucks this holiday season. forza 2 & Marvel will still be 60.

i dont know what you guys have against those games. they both got great scores.

forza 2
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/932731.asp

marvel: ua
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/932586.asp[/QUOTE]

Reviews don't mean shit, only my opinion matters on what I enjoy.

I don't like racing games, especially sims. And played a good bit of Marvel: UA with my buddy and didn't really get into it. Not into comics, and don't like beat'em gameplay.

No way Marvel or Forza 2 stay $60 after the bundle, and regardless of the MSRP, the second hand market prices will plummet when the bundles out, as most people who are interested in them will either have got them in the bundle, or bought them long ago if they had a 360 prior.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Reviews don't mean shit, only my opinion matters on what I enjoy.

I don't like racing games, especially sims. And played a good bit of Marvel: UA with my buddy and didn't really get into it. Not into comics, and don't like beat'em gameplay.

No way Marvel or Forza 2 stay $60 after the bundle, and regardless of the MSRP, the second hand market prices will plummet when the bundles out, as most people who are interested in them will either have got them in the bundle, or bought them long ago if they had a 360 prior.[/quote]LOL, you know were just trying to give you advice on this. but you keep making up lame excuses on why this isn't a good deal. I mean I don't want either game but free is free. Even if you only get $2 for each game at least that's $4 towards something you want. Although in realitly you'll get about $10 each. Just look at it like $20 off the game of your choice.

Sure game bundles suck and rarely save you money but in this case you arn't paying anything extra (unlike the 80 GIG PS3 bundle) so why not just get a 360 with the extra bonus at no cost?

Oh by the way I got $35 for Forza 2 when I traded it in at Game Rush last week.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Reviews don't mean shit, only my opinion matters on what I enjoy.

I don't like racing games, especially sims. And played a good bit of Marvel: UA with my buddy and didn't really get into it. Not into comics, and don't like beat'em gameplay.

No way Marvel or Forza 2 stay $60 after the bundle, and regardless of the MSRP, the second hand market prices will plummet when the bundles out, as most people who are interested in them will either have got them in the bundle, or bought them long ago if they had a 360 prior.[/quote]
reviews do mean sheet;)

especially many reviews from many different sources averaged.

they mean that the majority of people will enjoy the games. if you're not one of them, that's perfectly alright & more than acceptable. but dont assume that everyone is just like you. :booty:;)
 
[quote name='propeller_head']reviews do mean sheet;)

especially many reviews from many different sources averaged.

they mean that the majority of people will enjoy the games. if you're not one of them, that's perfectly alright & more than acceptable. but dont assume that everyone is just like you. :booty:;)[/QUOTE]


I just meant reviews don't mean shit to me, in that I pay very little heed to them in deciding what to play.

And they especially don't mean shit to me when it's a genre I hate. I don't care if it has perfect 10's across the board, if it's a sim game, racing game, RTS game, or any other genre I absolutely loathe, then I'm not going to like it. :D
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']LOL, you know were just trying to give you advice on this. but you keep making up lame excuses on why this isn't a good deal. I mean I don't want either game but free is free. Even if you only get $2 for each game at least that's $4 towards something you want. Although in realitly you'll get about $10 each. Just look at it like $20 off the game of your choice.
[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is it's not enough of a deal to get me to pay $350 for a console that is $50-100 more than I'm really willing to pay for a console to begin with.

So if it's $20 (which I'm not sure it will be when the bundle launches) It's still $329.00 for the 360, which is just more than I'm willing to pay.

There's only 4 or 5 games out, or out by the end of the year, that I really want to play. And given that most of them are still $60, I really have no problem waiting for another 360 price drop or two, both to save more on the console and for some of the games I want to drop to $30 or less. This is cheap ass gamer after all.

And I don't play online at all, so I don't care about getting behind in that aspect. Prefer to wait and buy consoles after 2 or 3 price drops when there's a lot of cheap games available. And this bundle deal isn't enough to get me to jump the gun early, that's all. If it was two games I wanted and would buy anyway, then it would be more tempting.
 
So in other words he just doesn't like any next-gen console. Which begs the question why he even bothers posting in forums dedicated to them.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']So in other words he just doesn't like any next-gen console. Which begs the question why he even bothers posting in forums dedicated to them.[/QUOTE]

I love games. Next gen just hasn't take off for me yet. My Wii has largely gathered dust.

360 has a decent library, 3 or 4 must plays for me, and a handful of "might play" games, but just not enough to shell our $350, which is a big hit to my budget at the moment with having to travel a lot currently.

PS3 isn't on the radar yet.

Besides, I thought I'd made it perfectly clear in this and the "getting worried" thread that about 95% of my posts were to annoy loser fanboys and entertain myself at work (fucking boss calling me in on a sunday! :bomb: ) ;)
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I love games. Next gen just hasn't take off for me yet. My Wii has largely gathered dust.

360 has a decent library, 3 or 4 must plays for me, and a handful of "might play" games, but just not enough to shell our $350, which is a big hit to my budget at the moment with having to travel a lot currently.

PS3 isn't on the radar yet.

Besides, I thought I'd made it perfectly clear in this and the "getting worried" thread that about 95% of my posts were to annoy loser fanboys and entertain myself at work (fucking boss calling me in on a sunday! :bomb: ) ;)[/quote]
you should tell him off. he'll admire you for it & consider it a sign of strength. make sure to wave your arms around in the air and talk loudly. :)
 
I'm considering the 40 gig model, and I'm concerned about backwards compatibility. Has anyone done a thorough test of a-list PS2 titles on the new PS3 models? I don't expect every PS2 game to be compatible, but I would like to think that most of my favorites can be played.
 
Looks like it has a Spiderman 3 pack-in. Sony really needs to get consumers to learn about and buy Blu-Ray movies, so taking a loss on one movie is a brilliant idea. Throw in a copy of the Spiderman 3 game while you're at it (nobody's buyin 'em, so it's not like there's something to lose there).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Looks like it has a Spiderman 3 pack-in. Sony really needs to get consumers to learn about and buy Blu-Ray movies, so taking a loss on one movie is a brilliant idea. Throw in a copy of the Spiderman 3 game while you're at it (nobody's buyin 'em, so it's not like there's something to lose there).[/QUOTE]
Yes, put packing the box with a composite cable negates the whole strategy. The movie is a perfect selection though, much better than the Talladega Nights that was included at launch. Plus, they won't be taking much of a loss given that the film already made a bajillion dollars and will probably make a bajillion more through DVD/BR sales.

Edit- and this- http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=711719800606
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Yes, put packing the box with a composite cable negates the whole strategy. [/QUOTE]

Yep. They need to remedy that with this bundle if they want the included Spider-man 3 Blu Ray to have much impact. Many people with HDTVs don't know shit about them and would just hook up the PS3 with the composite cable and assume that's as good as it gets.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Yes, put packing the box with a composite cable negates the whole strategy. The movie is a perfect selection though, much better than the Talladega Nights that was included at launch. Plus, they won't be taking much of a loss given that the film already made a bajillion dollars and will probably make a bajillion more through DVD/BR sales.

Edit- and this- http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=711719800606[/quote]You know the Toshiba A2 HD DVD player (the most popular player next to the MS add on) only comes with composite cables.
Crazy huh?

But yeah, they should really include both.
 
[quote name='dallow']You know the Toshiba A2 HD DVD player (the most popular player next to the MS add on) only comes with composite cables.
Crazy huh?
[/QUOTE]

Yep. Just mind boggling. The key to the formats is getting joe six pack to buy the player and be wowed by the picture quality and start buying all their movies from then on in that format when available.

Yet they bundle it with a composite cable, that joe six pack will think is all he needs, and then be dissapointed that the movies don't look better than DVDs.
 
[quote name='dallow']You know the Toshiba A2 HD DVD player (the most popular player next to the MS add on) only comes with composite cables.
Crazy huh?

But yeah, they should really include both.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to go into specifics, but that's an inaccurate comparison.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I'm not going to go into specifics, but that's an inaccurate comparison.[/quote]Wow, how?

I'm not saying PS3 is excused.
I'm saying both really need to include both types of cables.

It's a bit sad they don't.
 
[quote name='dallow']Wow, how?

I'm not saying PS3 is excused.
I'm saying both really need to include both types of cables.

It's a bit sad they don't.[/QUOTE]
I meant to say unfair.

Sony is trying to promote Blu-ray by including a disc with the PS3 that will show off its capabilities. However, they aren't including the cable necesary for John Q. Public to see the difference between BR and DVD. Keeping in mind that the PS3 is primarily purchased as a gaming system, there are almost no outside factors directing the buyer to purchase an HDMI or component cable.

Meanwhile, Toshiba is selling an HD-DVD player and strictly an HD-DVD player. Many buyers are already informed of the requirements of the player or will be informed before making their purchase. Granted, there will be a few stragglers who manage to pick one up without knowing what is needed in order for it to perform like they thought it would. However, these buyers are more likely to be inclined to educate themselves and rectify the problem after the fact since that is the sole purpose of the $300 machine they purchased. PS3 buyers will largely ignore their bonus Spiderman BR simply because there won't be anything special about it and go about playing their games.

Sorry if that's a bit unclear, but you should get the gist of it.
 
Yeah, I see what you mean.
I thought about that as well.

Hopefully though, they will include the cables, or at least a big freakin' sticker about how an HD connection is needed to see how better the BD of Spiderman 3 is.
 
Any more details on what will be EXCLUDED in the new PS3 40gb bundle? This is what I can gather so far...

For $399.99 you will receive:
- PS3 System w/ 40gb HDD
- 2 USB ports (downgraded from 4)
- Original black case finish (like the 20gb & 60gb version)
- 1 Regular SIXAXIS controller (rumble DS3 won't be out til Spring '08)
- Spiderman 3 movie on blu-ray
- 5 select blu-ray titles via mail-in rebate promo
- Guess-timated Release date on Oct.28, 2007


Any more details would be awesome. This is definitely a great holiday ramp-up by Sony.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']Yes, put packing the box with a composite cable negates the whole strategy.[/QUOTE]

A valid point. At least put component in the box, y'know?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']A valid point. At least put component in the box, y'know?[/QUOTE]
That's what I've been thinking. HDMI isn't necessary and including a component cable can't cost that much more that a composite cable.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']That's what I've been thinking. HDMI isn't necessary and including a component cable can't cost that much more that a composite cable.[/QUOTE]


HDMI cables are incredibly cheap to manufacture. Last I heard was between $2-3 for most.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']That's what I've been thinking. HDMI isn't necessary and including a component cable can't cost that much more that a composite cable.[/QUOTE]The problem is, the Sony component cables aren't made to work with composite (due to lacking the video (yellow) adapter).
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']HDMI cables are incredibly cheap to manufacture. Last I heard was between $2-3 for most.[/QUOTE]
But they can make money on HDMI cables by selling them seperately. You can't pack in HDMI and then say, "hey you, buy this component cable." But you can pack in a component cable and sell the HDMI as the superior product.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']The problem is, the Sony component cables aren't made to work with composite (due to lacking the video (yellow) adapter).[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine that creating a combo cable wouldn't be very hard. Unless you have some information that says otherwise.
 
The pack-in cable is a mixed message, isn't it?

I can only assume that the lack of HDMI is because Sony's research determined that there weren't enough potential buyers out there who actually owned a TV capable of HDMI. Bizarre, I know, considering the whole point of BluRay and the extra storage was for HD, but that's all I can come up with. With the amount Sony is losing on each console, the extra cost per console to add in the component dongle might be the straw that broke the camel's back?

Crazy talk? Sorry Sony, I tried...
 
[quote name='FatBoyInside']Any more details on what will be EXCLUDED in the new PS3 40gb bundle? This is what I can gather so far...

For $399.99 you will receive:
- PS3 System w/ 40gb HDD
- 2 USB ports (downgraded from 4)
- Original black case finish (like the 20gb & 60gb version)
- 1 Regular SIXAXIS controller (rumble DS3 won't be out til Spring '08)
- Spiderman 3 movie on blu-ray
- 5 select blu-ray titles via mail-in rebate promo
- Guess-timated Release date on Oct.28, 2007


Any more details would be awesome. This is definitely a great holiday ramp-up by Sony.[/quote]
The 60gb had the silver lining on it. I don't think they would take out BC so you can add that. BC without EE though..

EDIT -

Wow...possibility of TWO new console SKU's this month?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/02/xbox-360-arcade-console-listed-on-retail-sites-for-oct-23/

I guess 40gb PS3 vs Xbox 360 Arcade..
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']The problem is, the Sony component cables aren't made to work with composite (due to lacking the video (yellow) adapter).[/QUOTE]
How hard would it be to include a cable like this?
xbox360-component-cable.jpg
 
I'm happy with my 60gb for 381 (Sony Style credit card deal), but I suppose $100 off the 40 gb might be the best deal out there
 
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