40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='pete5883']Sony's cheapest system would be $400, vs. MS's cheapest system at $280. I don't see that happening this soon after the last price drop.[/quote]
It was already predicted a couple of months ago. Below is a post CheapyD made quoting someone at NeoGaf; that person was right about the first price drop, so there's good reason to believe that they could be right about the second one, too.

[quote name='CheapyD']artredis1980 from NeoGaf says

have it coming from a reliable source that CURRENTLY

The Core will drop to 279
The Premium will drop to 349
The Elite will drop to 449

This will clear out the inventory of the Premium which is the most manufactured 360 and the most sold as they know Premium will sell the most until the demand for Elites pick up in 2008. Elites and Cores have relatively the same manufacturing percentage: low at the moment until FALL this year.

When the 65 nm processor falcons are introduced across all SKUs, the holiday season, a month or so after Halo 3 will see the core drop to $249, The Premium will drop to $299 and the Elite will drop to $399

The Core, Premium and Elite Falcons will have a redesigned motherboard which includes HDMI across all SKUs, a quieter DVD Drive and the falcons will STILL have an extra fan heatsink as Microsoft is not prepared to take anymore risks.

The Falcon will reduce the cost to manufacture the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU by ~40-50% but Microsoft will incure additional costs on the new fans and HDMI across all SKUs. Still at the 249,299 and 399 price, Microsoft will expect a profit from the console by early 2008 when the Q4 results are announced.


EDIT: Clearing out inventory of 90nm so they mostly have 65nm on shelves this holiday season
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Back on topic, I'd be surprised to see them kill BC on the new PS3, and I agree with everyone who thinks it'd be a boneheaded move. If they do, I'll definitely want to get an older one with EE when/if I'm ready for a PS3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Maybe. The VC has *variety* over PSX, for sure. The PSX catalog is still amazing, even if opinions vary (and they will vary all over creation).
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The problem for me is that 1st gen 3D games (PSX and N64) look so shitty today for the most part that I can't stand to replay very many of them. Same with older 2D games (NES, SMS, Atari etc.).

2nd and 3rd gen stuff holds up well. I still play a lot of SNES/Genesis etc, and GC, X-box, PS2 etc. all hold up well and probably will further down the line.

I just don't have much urge to pay to play the blurry ass N64 games, or jaggy as PSX games with a few more polished games (and some 2D games) as exceptions.
 
[quote name='elmyra']It was already predicted a couple of months ago. Below is a post CheapyD made quoting someone at NeoGaf; that person was right about the first price drop, so there's good reason to believe that they could be right about the second one, too.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I'm still hoping that pans out. I'd be all over a premium for $300, and the sooner MS drops it, the less chance they have of Sony doing something to make me go with a PS3 instead.

Both aren't an option, as I already have a Wii and I just don't play games enough to justify owning all 3 this system. I'd never be able to play all the good games on 3 systems, probably won't even keep up with them on 2. Just need some HD gaming on my new set, and some good sports and FPS games which the Wii will always lack.
 
I could care less if the 40GB has BC.

I would pick it up (which if rumors turn out be true, it will be the one I end up buying) just to play PS3 and Blu-Ray titles.
 
[quote name='Apossum']if they are trying to "kill" the PS2, then Sony in general is dead to me-- that would pretty much prove that their management doesn't know what the fuck to do with the PS3.

btw, a PS2 is currently $130. and Sony doesn't transition people from it, the consumers and devs decide that. The only power Sony has over the situation is to make the PS3 more attractive to woo people from the PS2. Leaving in upscaled BC is a big part of that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah its a big part of that, and Sony has spend money and time trying to develop their emulation software... so why let that effort go to waste. I haven't read anything from any other site that says that BC is out. How much money could you be saving by not including software... I'm not going to believe anything until I see the unit on shelves or until Sony actually shows the 40gb units.
 
[quote name='Apossum']If BC is out of the PS3, the system is dead to me.

and it'll effectively cut off the ridiculously large base of PS2 users out there, which is, lets face it, their greatest advantage at this point in time.[/QUOTE]

You honestly think sony is going to roll over and say they're tired of dealing with BC and the PS3 will never be able to do software emulation? Be realistic guys, if Microsoft can manage it Sony can also. Will it be worse than the 80GB BC? Possibly, but this goes back to how much someone values BC. 40GB may have none or little out of the gate but it will be a work in progress like 360 BC. I just don't understand why some of you think sony is done with BC if all the hardware is pulled out.

Firmware updates have been improving the games. You'll hear about games at launch in Europe that didn't work then on a later firmware game x and y now works. They can't rely on the hardware forever, they want to go all software. If someone doesn't think that's good enough buy a used 20GB or 60GB version or keep a PS2 around.
 
4/10 of a kilogram lighter? That's crazy, considering they only took out 2 USB ports and the card reader. Maybe it's a big motherboard revision as well?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']4/10 of a kilogram lighter? That's crazy, considering they only took out 2 USB ports and the card reader. Maybe it's a big motherboard revision as well?[/quote]

Yeah I don't know what it is either but hopefully, it's nothing big.
 
Honestly, with the way games come out nowadays, is BC the be all end all for a system? I mean, I know some of you are pretty hardcore about it, but I just don't have the urge to bust out Driver or Twisted Metal or any of my old games. There are too many new games coming out and too little time to play them all. I honestly am not all that upset about not being able to play every single one of my PS1/PS2 games. It would be nice, but for me it is so trivial it's not important. If I have a super urge, I'll just take out my PS2 like I do with my N64 or GBA SP.

Most gamers I know could not give two shits about playing their PS2/XBOX games on their new systems. They are too concerned about playing newer games. Granted they are not hardcore like a lot of CAGs are...but, I just don't see this making or breaking the PS3.
 
According to this, from NPD, 37% of PS3 owners are aware of backwards compatibility.

However, from here, also NPD, they say that backwards compatibility was second in concerns for potential console owners, at 68%. Apparently content took the lead with 87%. I'm not sure where price ended up.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']There are too many new games coming out and too little time to play them all.
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I tend to agree. But that said, I have played through 5 games on the VC. But of course, with just owning a Wii, PS2 and DS at the moment, I've not had a lot of new games to play lately. Have only bought 3 Wii games since launch, no PS2 games since Guitar Hero 2, and only 2 DS games this year.

But in general, last gen I didn't play many old games. And I probably won't much this gen once the Wii picks up some steam (or if it does) and when I get a 360/PS3 to complement it.

So it's not a huge deal to me either. Not really much of anything on the PS2 I haven't played that I'm dying to play anyway (otherwise I'd have been playing it this year).
 
[quote name='zewone']I could care less if the 40GB has BC.

I would pick it up (which if rumors turn out be true, it will be the one I end up buying) just to play PS3 and Blu-Ray titles.[/QUOTE]

Same here. That's what I will hang on to my ps2 with a 160GB hard drive. ;)
 
They should have left it in so they could do it via software. Bad decision, but my friend is going to get the 40 gig because of the price and I am sure others will as well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's confirmed.

Also confirmed: No BC. Yikes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7030164.stm[/QUOTE]

Gawd ... dammit.

Well, I'm sure most people don't care enough about BC for this to be anything other than a pretty good move for Sony.

Unfortunately, it's a bad move for me. I'm a stickler for BC -- sorry, but I like to play my old games, and I'm not going to rebuy a PS2 when mine finally craps out -- so it looks like I'm still waiting until the 60 gig drops below $400.
 
I question if BC is a big deal to people or not, as Wombat eloquently put it in the CAGcast this week "Right now, God of War 2 is the best game on the PS3"

I deffo won't be buying the 40 Gig version now, I want BC and there will need to be some genuinely AAA titles on the PS3 to make me drop $500 on one.

I wonder if BC is gonna be fazed out entirely, on all models.
 
WTF?!? My PS2 crapped out on my last winter, so I haven't been able to finish FFXII or DQVIII. Price is the big reason why I've stayed away from the PS3. And now that it's coming down, they decide to cut costs where it hurts, and leave out BC.
 
Sony's strategy is to purposely make bad decisions, it's genius. I don't know who's worse right now, Microsoft with their poor product reliability or Sony with their so many SKUs they're not sure what they're doing.
 
So, let me get this straight.

For $400, you get a PS3, 40gb, that's pretty much it. No BC.

For an extra $100, you get a 60gb PS3, full BC.

For an extra $200, you get an 80gb and a copy of Motorstorm, with limited BC.

Wow.

A "reduced emphasis on backwards compatibility"? Wasn't Tretton just bragging about how much the PS2 has sold? Good lord, what the fuck, Sony?
 
Hmmm, Im still not gonna bite until they get that MUST HAVE game. I really want to give myself a reason to get one but Sony isnt helping much with these lackluster games.
 
[quote name='Scorch']So, let me get this straight.

For $400, you get a PS3, 40gb, that's pretty much it. No BC.

For an extra $100, you get a 60gb PS3, full BC.

For an extra $200, you get an 80gb and a copy of Motorstorm, with limited BC.

Wow.

A "reduced emphasis on backwards compatibility"? Wasn't Tretton just bragging about how much the PS2 has sold? Good lord, what the fuck, Sony?[/QUOTE]

Wow, I am wondering the same exact thing....what the hell is going on? I'm even more confused since the newer PS3 models use software for emulation? This sku makes no sense to me...unless they are going to leave out BC from all future models which would kind of suck.
 
well, it apears sony is doing whatever they can to lower the price on this beast.....even in they alienate their fanbase. i applaud the effort but im not sure they are going in the right direction.

i bought the 60gb ps3 primarily FOR the full BC. i dont really need it for the ps3 portion (i only have resistance......other than folklore i doubt ill buy another game before MGS4. well, maybe EOJ. MAYBE.) there are so many versions of this thing out there that i feel bad for the kid who gets one for christmas, trades in his old ps2 to buy a game, throws in his old games and gets an error message. i really want sony to do well here, as good games are ALL THAT MATTERS, but im not so sure this round.

lastly, does anyone else remember all of the jabs sony was throwing at M$ when the 360 launched without full BC? and now they have a system with NO BC?!?! is this going to affect if we can download old ps1 titles on the psn? buh.
 
[quote name='jkam']Wow, I am wondering the same exact thing....what the hell is going on? I'm even more confused since the newer PS3 models use software for emulation? This sku makes no sense to me...unless they are going to leave out BC from all future models which would kind of suck.[/QUOTE]


Some people say "oh yeah, this has always been a part of the plan" but to me this screams "desperation."
 
I think this might be geared more towards the people looking for a blu-ray player(It even comes with a disc to start you off, right?). This doesnt indicate that they are necessarily moving towards a single SKU yet, so while the 60 and 80 persist, there is something for consumers that want other things, as long as they can stand to pay more.
 
Well, if I don't get the money together for a 60 gig model before they're gone, I don't think I'll be buying one for a while (at least until the 80GB has a price drop and better BC). I don't see what Sony's game is here.
 
[quote name='theironunkind']
lastly, does anyone else remember all of the jabs sony was throwing at M$ when the 360 launched without full BC? and now they have a system with NO BC?!?! is this going to affect if we can download old ps1 titles on the psn? buh.[/quote]
The article on gamespot says:

When asked about PSOne games, Sony told GameSpot, "the backwards compatibility of PS one titles is achieved through software and the vast majority of PSOne titles are backwards compatible with the new PS3."
 
The average consumer has no idea about backwards compatibility and is probably mainly interested in playing new PS3 games anyway. The 40GB model is pretty much perfect for that crowd and should sell systems, which should lead to the PS3 finally having a respectable market share and thus more developer support. I'm excited. I don't see how keeping software emulation in could cost an extra $100, though.
 
People will always find negative things to bash Sony on. The same people bashing Sony for losing the BC in the 360 camp are the ones who said BC didn't matter on the 360.

Just so you guys know, the thing they removed was some processing chip not directly tied to the emotion engine, but still needed to get the PS2 and PS1 BC working. It's a trade-off. However, I wonder if in the future they could completely emulate that last chip, and with full emulation they could try and improve some of their classic games. Like getting FF11 to run at 720p or something. One thing the article states was that BC was costing them a lot to put in, which makes me think that there was more PS2 hardware in the PS3 besides the emotion engine, or that there were still licensing issues they had to go through.

The biggest improvement is the price. The 60gb version which still has BC also has some other features.

Despite the loss of BC in this model, it fills its role perfectly as a cheaper entry level system that's finally the same price as one of the 360 models, but with arguably more features like the built in bluray and wifi. And Sony clearly states that BC is gone. If they want it they have to pay for the higher end model.
 
[quote name='chakan']*hugs my $300 60 gig from craigslist*[/quote]

lol, wow good deal! i got mine for $50 more then u.

ouch gives me a BAD feeling that they dont have BC. sure there will be arguments "ps2 games are teh old!" and " i play all 500 of my ps2 games cause they rox0rz!" but it doesnt give me a positive feeeling even being $399. the LAST thing people are gonna do is " hey it still has blu-ray".
 
Not my favorite move, but I guess not a huge deal.

I'm curious as to why it says no PS2 support.
Does that mean it'll still play PSX games? :)
 
[quote name='Vanigan']People will always find negative things to bash Sony on. The same people bashing Sony for losing the BC in the 360 camp are the ones who said BC didn't matter on the 360.
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Don't assume everyone is a mindless fanboy. 100% BC was about the only thing Sony got right for the PS3 launch, and MS was stupid to have such half assed BC when Sony and Nintendo had 100% BC at launch.

Seems silly of them to take it out now. It's kind of moot for me as most PS2 games look like horseshit on my HDTV (maybe they'd look better on a PS3 though) so I pretty much never play them aside from Guitar Hero I and II which don't work on the PS3 at all right now, and will only have partial support when GHIII.

So not a big deal for me, but still seems kind of lame on their part. Doesn't feel so much like a price drop when you're getting less than before.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Don't assume everyone is a mindless fanboy. 100% BC was about the only thing Sony got right for the PS3 launch, and MS was stupid to have such half assed BC when Sony and Nintendo had 100% BC at launch.

Seems silly of them to take it out now. It's kind of moot for me as most PS2 games look like horseshit on my HDTV (maybe they'd look better on a PS3 though) so I pretty much never play them aside from Guitar Hero I and II which don't work on the PS3 at all right now, and will only have partial support when GHIII.

So not a big deal for me, but still seems kind of lame on their part. Doesn't feel so much like a price drop when you're getting less than before.[/quote]

Most are mindless though. Price is too high, people bitch, price gets lowered, people bitch. Does not being able to play XBOX games on 360 make it a horrible system that won't sell? No. People don't care. They get their Halo 3 and their Gears of War and are satisfied.
 
[quote name='dallow']Not my favorite move, but I guess not a huge deal.

I'm curious as to why it says no PS2 support.
Does that mean it'll still play PSX games? :)[/quote]
Yes.

Also I dont really get why so many are saying this is a doomsday scenario, at best this was only going to have the same BC as the 80gb version, so if BC is so important to you pony up the 100$ extra and get one with BC. How is it not a smart move to let people decide if they want the BC or not and give them a cheaper option if they feel they dont need it?
 
I think the customers that they may have lost for the time being are a drop in the bucket compared to how many they gain from the general population from the price drop, and that is the most important thing right now - marketshare.

Hell, BC didnt even really exist until the PS2 generation, and consoles got along just fine.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']Most are mindless though. Price is too high, people bitch, price gets lowered, people bitch. [/QUOTE]

Price was $300 too high, and is still $100 too high for me as$300 is the max I'd ever pay for a console...and that's pushing it.

So seems like legitimate bitching to me. People thought it was too high, some got excited for price cut since $400 was more doable for them, but now are pissed as they really wanted BC.

Sony has done everything they could to piss off people this gen from the high prices, ridiculous arrogant statements, etc. etc. This is just another boneheaded move on their part. Again, doesn't bother me much as BC isn't a big deal to me since PS2 games look so poor on HDTV. But it's just another move to piss people off and make the cheaper console not look as attractive as some.
 
[quote name='nadroj1485']How is it not a smart move to let people decide if they want the BC or not and give them a cheaper option if they feel they dont need it?[/QUOTE]


Just an issue as the $550 and $600 consoles are out of many peoples budgets--either more than they can afford or more than they are willing to pay for a game console. So it sucks for them that they can't go with the $400 if BC is important to them.

Guess the point is that many want BC, but $100-$150 to get it is a bit steep given you could just buy a PS2 for that, and that the 360 and Wii have it without having to buy a more expensive SKU.

Again, I don't care about it on the PS3, but I can see why people would be upset and think it's a legitimate gripe.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Price was $300 too high, and is still $100 too high for me as$300 is the max I'd ever pay for a console...and that's pushing it.

So seems like legitimate bitching to me. People thought it was too high, some got excited for price cut since $400 was more doable for them, but now are pissed as they really wanted BC.

Sony has done everything they could to piss off people this gen from the high prices, ridiculous arrogant statements, etc. etc. This is just another boneheaded move on their part. Again, doesn't bother me much as BC isn't a big deal to me since PS2 games look so poor on HDTV. But it's just another move to piss people off and make the cheaper console not look as attractive as some.[/quote]

lol legitimate bitching?
THERES SUCH THING!? wow what a statement, people are going to bitch no matter what, but this new SKU will sell well. cheaper price, why would u buy a ps3 to soley play ps2 games, it still has its blu-ray player and dvd player and ps3 game play. though i agree sony is making some STRANGE decisions to piss everyone off and we all go WTH are they thinking?

wait so is it coming to NA? cause ive only seen announcements for SCEEurope
 
As Krazy Ken would say, "We're doing people the favor by removing the backwards compatibility of the PS3 since no one is buying games like Gran Turismo 3 and Jumping Flash anymore. The customers have told us they would like to move forward and we are helping them do just that. Also, they can now quit that extra part-time job they were working to save up for the PS3 Home System Not Videogame Machine.... Thingie... Yeah."
 
I"m pissed about this too. I have been an Xbox guy for years now, but was looking forward to getting a PS3 next summer/fall to play all the games I've missed, like Kingdom Hearts, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, FF 12, etc. No BC means a major selling point for me just got lost. Yes, I understand why they are doing it- to make the system cheaper- but it still sucks.
 
My guess, is that Sony is going to say- "If you want BC, then buy a PS2." Price on that should be falling soon and we all know there are plenty out there. I know some people don't want another system sitting there but I could see Sony "giving them an option" like this.
 
It would be awesome if they announce this to get people on the fence to go out and buy current in-stock consoles(since they have BC) and then when these new ones hit, it is a simple download from the PSN to activate software-emulated BC.

And I still say these "new" systems should have the freaking rumble controller in it. They are just going to piss people off again in when they start packing that in.
 
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