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eldergamer

eldergamer

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Sorry if this is inappropiate, but..

Why do we tolerate such misogony and racism in our adult movies? If a mainstream movie treated a woman that way there'd be groups showing up to protest.

Why can't we just have adult films showing consenting adults enjoying each others "company" without such debasement and degregation?
 
Well, that type of porn does get protested etc. There are organizations dedicated to stopping porn. And there was just a story in the news the other day (NY Times I think) with some Senators complaining that Attorney General Holder was not doing his job in enforcing obscenity laws etc.

So in short, it's not tolerated. It's just a fringe thing that most people don't care about.

I don't like porn much in general, and not at all the stuff that gets into violence etc., but I'm not supportive of obscenity laws.

Free speech should cover all that stuff and just have laws/regulations making sure all actors are consenting adults, that the work environment is as safe as possible etc. just like any other job.
 
I'm not saying their should be obscenity laws. I think consumers should (especially men) should speak more with the dollars about what they're watching.

And I'm not even talking about direct violence, just all the degrerating woman-hating stuff that goes on. (forcing to drink fluids, writing of names, coersion, etc)
 
Well the simple answer to that is that some people enjoy that sort of thing so they are voting with their dollars saying they want more of it.

I can't stand that kind of stuff, but others enjoy it so there's a market for it.

You seem to be suggesting that people should all be repulsed by such things and not buy it. Or think that people buy porn with that kind of stuff in it despite being offended by it or something. That's just not the case in any large sense. That stuff sales as there's a market of people who enjoy it.
 
Common decency? Respect for women? Are the two things and enjoyment of watching people enjoy each other mutually exclusive?
 
Not for me or your, but they are for some people apparently.

Again, a lot of people like the kind of porn you and I don't, or it wouldn't sell.

So asking people to vote with their wallets and not buy it is silly. People are voting with their wallets and buying the type of porn they enjoy.

Just accept that it's "different strokes for different" folks and don't watch the type of porn you don't enjoy.
 
Supply and demand. If there wasn't a demand for the type of pornography you're discussing, than people wouldn't be making it.

Should society in general foster a more healthy attitude about sex and particularly about women? Sure. Does pornography shoulder much of the blame for unhealthy attitudes about women among certain segments of the male population? Most likely.

Those are just some of the consequences of a free society though. Maybe every pornographic video should start with the disclaimer "women aren't objects", though I think at some point we just need to hope people can figure that out for themselves.
 
Maybe just a warning label?

"In this video people are not loving each other. It's just a guy pounding a woman and then treating her like a disposal."

Also, some of the women in these videos should have a little more self-respect and not allow themselves to be treated this way.

 
[quote name='eldergamer']
Also, some of the women in these videos should have a little more self-respect and not allow themselves to be treated this way.
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Maybe some should. Maybe some of them view it differently than you do. You're assuming everyone subscribes to the same moral code that you do.

Personally I don't find anything particularly offensive or immoral about most pornography, as long as its legal and between consenting adults.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Maybe some should. Maybe some of them view it differently than you do. You're assuming everyone subscribes to the same moral code that you do.

Personally I don't find anything particularly offensive or immoral about most pornography, as long as its legal and between consenting adults.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Some people enjoy that kind of stuff even in their own sex lives. Just different strokes, for different folks.

No warnings etc. are needed. If you only like certain types of porn, read reviews etc. to make sure your picking titles that fit your interests.

As long as it's legal and between consenting adults, I couldn't care less as it's easy enough to avoid things you find personally distasteful.
 
It's acting. Yes, they are actually having sex but by and large, it isn't about love, it's about making money as an object. I don't know how much simpler it can get. Yeah, some of the stuff can be really rough, but the adults involved are (as far as I know) consenting to whatever is going on. I don't think there's ever a surprise DP or anything along those lines.
 
Then for my rare trips to that 'store' I guess I'll just stick to the amateur section.
I just hadnt seen a mainstream video in years and was surprised at the treatment contained within.

I know it's "acting" and fake but the idea that people come up with some scenarios where the woman is just meant to be 'used' and have that presented as what a sexual encounter can be like is disturbing and causes the opposite of stimulation.

 
For one thing, adult entertainment is only really consumed by the people who want to see it, so if you are easily offended by ANYTHING quite frankly, you're probably not watching a whole lot of porn anyways. Even beyond this though, no one takes porn seriously, it's the same reason why Pro Wrestling gets away with it (or at least got away with it when such themes were present). Plus, in pornography all of the performers are participating via their own free will, no one is forcing anyone, so if a porno actor disagreed with certain elements either explicit or implied, they simply wouldn't participate in the shoot. No one is putting a gun to the throat of Kelly Wells and forcing her to let Max Hardcore slap her around and urinate on her, she knows good and damn well what she's getting into.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']Then for my rare trips to that 'store' I guess I'll just stick to the amateur section.
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If you're still looking for your porn in a 'store', that might be a pretty good sign you're out of touch with the industry. ;)
 
There's all types. I know there was a series starting up where guy's had to swallow their own cum shots. You just seem a wee bit out of touch and naive.
 
I'm not that naieve, I guess I didnt expect that degredation had gone so mainstream. I'd expected in a tittle advertising such but not just in your average video.

I probably place too much value on dignity in a world where Jackass makes a 100 million.

And I'm sure the women involved know what they're getting into, but you think they'd have a little more pride than to be treated in such a way. "I'll fuck you, but I'm not letting you do -that- to me. Oh, $1000 more? okay."
 
[quote name='eldergamer']I'm not that naieve, I guess I didnt expect that degredation had gone so mainstream. I'd expected in a tittle advertising such but not just in your average video.

I probably place too much value on dignity in a world where Jackass makes a 100 million.

And I'm sure the women involved know what they're getting into, but you think they'd have a little more pride than to be treated in such a way. "I'll fuck you, but I'm not letting you do -that- to me. Oh, $1000 more? okay."[/QUOTE]

Well at the end of the day it's there choice.If they don't want to be treated like that than they shouldn't be in the industry
 
[quote name='themaster20000']Well at the end of the day it's there choice.If they don't want to be treated like that than they shouldn't be in the industry[/QUOTE]
Kinda like how a vast majority of strippers are victims of sexual abuse as minors?

Choice and PTSD are two different animals.
 
[quote name='Javery']I don't want to live in a country where I can't watch 2 sluts tongue each other's assholes.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='eldergamer']I'm not that naieve, I guess I didnt expect that degredation had gone so mainstream. I'd expected in a tittle advertising such but not just in your average video.

I probably place too much value on dignity in a world where Jackass makes a 100 million.

And I'm sure the women involved know what they're getting into, but you think they'd have a little more pride than to be treated in such a way. "I'll fuck you, but I'm not letting you do -that- to me. Oh, $1000 more? okay."[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that we all agree that porn isn't necessarily a horrible thing in itself. The problem is that it's really just a symptom and a reflection of society. There is rampant sexism and misogyny that is being reflected to reinforce how we view the women. Just think of everytime you call someone a bitch or a pussy.
 
I'm in the "this is my fantasy and this is what I'm paying to see" boat. If you want objectification and degredation, that's what you're going to go and get. If you want to see a couple eat a nice meal, share a bottle of wine and then have the variety of sex that involves cuddling and whispering sweet nothings afterwards, maybe you should just watch the Red Shoe Diaries or something.

I'll stick with watching Bella Rossi and Audrey Hollander get the shit beaten out of them, but treat my lady with respect while I'm with her, unless we're in session at which point they will succumb to my will because that's how we roll.
 
Actually, I have noticed a lot of more racism in porn now. Race baiting porn, like that "negro" or worse is fucking my daughter or wife. That aint that cool.
 
There are plenty of genres out there that are not my cup of tea, but in reality, the fact that they are not real would put it in the same realm of movies that do the same thing. The difference is that there is usually nobody there to "stop the bad guy", but porn is not about being moral, it's about getting off on fantasies or exciting situations. Some people dig domination, cuckolding, A2M, rape, drugged, drunk, sleeping, etc etc. There are women who fantasize about someone raping them. In reality we all know (or at least should know) that rape is wrong, but if someone lives it out through a porno fantasy and all actors in the porn are compensated and agreeable, I see no issues. Would much rather have that exist over the real deal.

If it's not for you, don't watch it. Porn stars are paid well enough for the acts they subject themselves to. If an actress doesn't want to get treated like a piece of meat, she has the option to say no to the shoot.
 
Even in "rape" porn.. it's still all consensual.
I rather have people fap to watching women (or men) get 'raped', rather then go out and rape for real. People who are against porn.. just don't watch it. It's really that simple.

How boring would porn be if it was like:
White man in a sweater: Oh sweetheart, this potroast is delicious.
White woman in a turtleneck: Thank you for your kind words. I feel appreciated.
Man: I'm sorry if I don't tell you how much I appreciate and respect you and your mind. You are my soul mate. My life partner. I can't live without you.
Woman: Oh, I love you Gerald.

::They kiss::

YAWN.

OR do you want clean raunchy porn??

OHH YES. PLEASE EJCULATE YOUR SEMEN ON MY BARE BREASTS.
OHH YES. I WILL BE EJACULATING SOON. I AM SO CLOSE TO ACHIEVING ORGASM. ARE YOU SURE YOU WISH TO HAVE MY SEMEN ON YOUR BREASTS.
YES, I AM SURE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT!
OK HERE IT COMES. I AM RESPECTING YOUR WISHES, MADAM!
 
[quote name='lilboo']Even in "rape" porn.. it's still all consensual.
I rather have people fap to watching women (or men) get 'raped', rather then go out and rape for real. People who are against porn.. just don't watch it. It's really that simple.

::They kiss::

YAWN.

OR do you want clean raunchy porn??

OHH YES. PLEASE EJCULATE YOUR SEMEN ON MY BARE BREASTS.
OHH YES. I WILL BE EJACULATING SOON. I AM SO CLOSE TO ACHIEVING ORGASM. ARE YOU SURE YOU WISH TO HAVE MY SEMEN ON YOUR BREASTS.
YES, I AM SURE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT!
OK HERE IT COMES. I AM RESPECTING YOUR WISHES, MADAM![/QUOTE]

i'd much rather have this than the, "here, take it. now open your mouth. show everyone! spit it out! drink it! brush with it! type of bs that never occurs in real life and just makes you feel sorry for al involved.

but, the market has spoken. crudeness and dis-respect for women will prevail.
 
There's tamer porn out there as well. If you insist on buying read reviews and descriptions first. Otherwise, go to some of the streaming video porn sites and find one that has a category of tamer stuff that you enjoy.

There's a gazillion porn videos out there, there's something for everyone.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Even in "rape" porn.. it's still all consensual.
I rather have people fap to watching women (or men) get 'raped', rather then go out and rape for real. People who are against porn.. just don't watch it. It's really that simple.

How boring would porn be if it was like:
White man in a sweater: Oh sweetheart, this potroast is delicious.
White woman in a turtleneck: Thank you for your kind words. I feel appreciated.
Man: I'm sorry if I don't tell you how much I appreciate and respect you and your mind. You are my soul mate. My life partner. I can't live without you.
Woman: Oh, I love you Gerald.

::They kiss::

YAWN.

OR do you want clean raunchy porn??

OHH YES. PLEASE EJCULATE YOUR SEMEN ON MY BARE BREASTS.
OHH YES. I WILL BE EJACULATING SOON. I AM SO CLOSE TO ACHIEVING ORGASM. ARE YOU SURE YOU WISH TO HAVE MY SEMEN ON YOUR BREASTS.
YES, I AM SURE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT!
OK HERE IT COMES. I AM RESPECTING YOUR WISHES, MADAM![/QUOTE]

Scissor me timbers!
 
[quote name='lilboo']
OHH YES. PLEASE EJCULATE YOUR SEMEN ON MY BARE BREASTS.
OHH YES. I WILL BE EJACULATING SOON. I AM SO CLOSE TO ACHIEVING ORGASM. ARE YOU SURE YOU WISH TO HAVE MY SEMEN ON YOUR BREASTS.
YES, I AM SURE. THIS IS WHAT I WANT!
OK HERE IT COMES. I AM RESPECTING YOUR WISHES, MADAM![/QUOTE]

Hawt :drool:
 
[quote name='eldergamer']
And I'm sure the women involved know what they're getting into, but you think they'd have a little more pride than to be treated in such a way. "I'll fuck you, but I'm not letting you do -that- to me. Oh, $1000 more? okay."[/QUOTE]
A lot of porn stars these days actually do have contracts with a full list of stuff they will and won't do. Shit is ironclad, too. If their co-star does anything in their "don't" list most of them have clauses that say they can leave production of the film and still be paid.

Women are in more control of the porn industry than most would think. The only times they are really not in control of what they do is when they first break in to the business, but that's the concession they make to break into the business. You can't come into it making demands about what you will and won't do. I mean, if you don't like anal but still really want to get into the business you may have to take that roll in Ass Jammerz 9 to get your name out there.

[quote name='eldergamer']i'd much rather have this than the, "here, take it. now open your mouth. show everyone! spit it out! drink it! brush with it! type of bs that never occurs in real life and just makes you feel sorry for al involved.

but, the market has spoken. crudeness and dis-respect for women will prevail.[/QUOTE] Also, I've totally had this kind of thing happen, irl. College girls can be freaks, mang.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']A lot of porn stars these days actually do have contracts with a full list of stuff they will and won't do. Shit is ironclad, too. If their co-star does anything in their "don't" list most of them have clauses that say they can leave production of the film and still be paid.

Women are in more control of the porn industry than most would think. The only times they are really not in control of what they do is when they first break in to the business, but that's the concession they make to break into the business. You can't come into it making demands about what you will and won't do. I mean, if you don't like anal but still really want to get into the business you may have to take that roll in Ass Jammerz 9 to get your name out there.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention that women CHOOSE to be in there in the first place. So I don't understand how is can be degrading to women when they choose to be in those films? They absolutely run the porn industry.
 
I think the point the OP is trying to make is that while it is technically "choice", the majority of porn stars are damaged goods coming into the industry which may blind them to other opportunities available to them in the world and do this as an act of desperation or comfort to their PTSD from earlier events in their lives.

I agree that there are probably more women who suffer from past events in this industry over others, but I can't believe that it's even the majority that base their decision for this over other career opportunities. Many will tell you how loving their family is and supportive. You have to chalk it up to easy money.

+1 for the women having a great amount of power in the industry. From listening to Howard Stern and hearing from a good number of porn stars along the way, most of them seem to have the inside loop as to who is great to work with and male actors to avoid who may go a little too extreme. Someone was just on recently and discussed past work with the actor "Rocko" and said that he has a history of being extremely hard on girls and bruising them. Knowing this going into it, the girl has the choice of doing a scene with a well known and popular male porn star OR avoiding the consequences of a scene with him and moving on to another movie.

The major issue with porn is whether or not someone helps the girls out in realizing that their window of opportunity in the business is very short (unless they're a big name like Jenna Jameson) and helps them understand the importance of saving their big salaries when they are basically forced into retirement after 10 years or so.
 
I'm sure they're choosing to do it, but that doesnt necessarily mean it's the best choice.

If you're presenting yourself as nothing more than a recepticle for cock and sperm... If it hurts, don't let him put it in there. Don't smile and act like you enjoy getting it shot in your eyes.

As I said earlier, I do enjoy adult entertainment and like seeing people 'doin' it. (especially amateur/natural people). Just don't enjoy seeing women being degraded and abused. The two shouldnt go hand in hand in most mainstream videos (which seems to be the case)
 
Unless you are the top 5%, you are not getting any work if you pick and choice every little thing. Normally people said porn is recession proof, but with piracy and free stuff there is a lot less work available. Refuse too many work and could be out of the limelight. Most porn stars gave up a lot to enter the industry, and for career with a such a short lifespan they can't afford to be too picky.
 
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[quote name='eldergamer']Why can't we just have adult films showing consenting adults enjoying each others "company" without such debasement and degregation?[/QUOTE]

Romantic comedies?
 
I just doing want to hear drunk white girls saying, " i want $$$$er dick". I've heard that 3 times in 2 last year . First time, I was offended. The other times, worked in my advantage. But that should not be a line, and hear it in porn.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']forcing to drink fluids, writing of names, coersion, etc[/QUOTE]

[quote name='eldergamer']It's just a guy pounding a woman and then treating her like a disposal.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='eldergamer']"here, take it. now open your mouth. show everyone! spit it out! drink it! brush with it!"[/QUOTE]

[quote name='eldergamer']a recepticle for cock and sperm[/QUOTE]

[quote name='eldergamer']smile and act like you enjoy getting it shot in your eyes. [/QUOTE]

You sure you're not a "porn aficionado"? You sure sound like one.
 
On the fucked-up-shit scale that pertains to the porn industry, your complaints are on the shallow end of the pool.

There's rampant sexism and misogyny in a variety of ways that should be explored far ahead of this as well, so I'm trying to figure out this extremely specialized slice of "problems my life is composed of" that you're talking about here, OP.
 
[quote name='Strell']On the fucked-up-shit scale that pertains to the porn industry, your complaints are on the shallow end of the pool.

There's rampant sexism and misogyny in a variety of ways that should be explored far ahead of this as well, so I'm trying to figure out this extremely specialized slice of "problems my life is composed of" that you're talking about here, OP.[/QUOTE]

I think the women in porn are too busy cashing the checks that are 10x bigger than their males counterparts'.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']I'm sure they're choosing to do it, but that doesnt necessarily mean it's the best choice.

If you're presenting yourself as nothing more than a recepticle for cock and sperm... If it hurts, don't let him put it in there. Don't smile and act like you enjoy getting it shot in your eyes.

As I said earlier, I do enjoy adult entertainment and like seeing people 'doin' it. (especially amateur/natural people). Just don't enjoy seeing women being degraded and abused. The two shouldnt go hand in hand in most mainstream videos (which seems to be the case)[/QUOTE]

Im totally 100% straight. That said for a few hundred grand a year ill be a receptacle for cock and sperm! Look its these ladies choice, yes some are making the life choice for the wrong reasons such as having a kid too early or a father that abused them. However from reading interviews with these girls for the most part it comes down to two simple things.

The first is the almighty dollar dollar. As I said before I am totally straight, but fuck id take one up the ass if I was being paid $10,000 for it ;) These girls are no different, we all have our own life priorities and things that seem wrong and right to us. For a lot of people a big fucking chunk of change for 30 mins of degrading work is really not that big of a deal. I mean hell if you think about it most people sit at jobs they hate being degraded for their entire life. These girls spend an hour here and hour there a few times a month and pull in $100,000s.

The second would be the fact that some people like to be demeaned. Lots of people want straight vanilla sex, others want the vanilla sex but with a little hair pull or light rear slap every now and then. Some people though(as I am sure lilboo can attest)want to be fucked roughly in the butt. We each have our own sexual functions and dysfunctions and if someone has found a way to make money off theirs more power to them.
 
Yeah. I shouldn't take it so personal. But I think there is a problem with how the degrading/misogynstic part of pornography is portrayed like this is a normal every day sexual experience. Which it isn't.
 
Porn is going to be more extreme. People for the most part generally don't want to watch others having the same standard sex they are having in their own lives (well maybe those not getting laid do). They want to watch things they fantasize about but don't partake in in real life.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']Yeah. I shouldn't take it so personal. But I think there is a problem with how the degrading/misogynstic part of pornography is portrayed like this is a normal every day sexual experience. Which it isn't.
 
Dmaul speaks the truth. Cindersphere has a poorly designed strawman.

I think I've said at least twice that I enjoy seeing the intercourse in all it's glory, but don't like to see the women coerced/abused/sperm blasted.

I'll just stick to the homemade/amateur vids.
 
I would say I have a poorly designed joke.

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On a serious note elder, what do you consider to be exploitation in this regard? Is it the making of the porn in the first place? What if the people buying it see do this consensually in their private lives with willing partner, does this make it less exploitative? Even if the "actors" are willing to do it?
 
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