Amazon sells "Pedophiles Guide," internet about to boycott

I read a "review" of it from a blogger who decided that they had to look at it for themselves to see if it was really a manual and after seeing some of the quoted text, it's definitely pretty sick. However, banning the sale of it does not make the problem go away and people need to acknowledge that IMO.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']http://www.amazon.com/Pedophiles-Guide-Love-Pleasure-ebook/dp/B0049U4CF6

Ice-T (not surprisingly at all) ordered a "drive-by" and boycott, which is undoubtedly about to happen. Countless people will cry "free speech" despite Amazon.com not being covered in the First Amendment.[/QUOTE]

My tweet to Ice

Ice, it's a self published book and anybody can upload anything they want to the Kindle store. They don't screen uploads.
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Also Amazon already came out and said that they weren't going to pull it because it isn't their place to decide what it appropriate and what isn't.

Amazon issued a statement that will no doubt fuel the outraged comments multiplying on the "Pedophile's Guide" Amazon page. "Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable," it reads. "Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40112145/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

And double also, I think it's kind of ironic how a guy who was in the middle of a free speech shitstorm when he released a song about killing police officers...is now saying fuck free speech and trying to get people to boycott Amazon.

- edit Oh shit, he responded to me calling him a hypocrite and how he supports murdering police officers because he made Cop Killer (and thankfully didn't use my Twitter name or reply directly to my tweet, I don't want his followers messing with me)

[quote name='Ice-T']This is also a great time to use my block button. fuck free speech. Unfollow me if you think raping children is ok...[/QUOTE]

[quote name='me']I should unfollow you because you are a massive hypocrite & think murdering police officers is ok (according to Cop Killer)[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Ice-T']Even though I made' Cop Killer'. EVERYTHING is not cool with me.... Raping & molesting children is number #1.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't really get it but whatever.
 
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[quote name='Sporadic']

And double also, I think it's kind of ironic how a guy who was in the middle of a free speech shitstorm when he released a song about killing police officers...is now saying fuck free speech and trying to get people to boycott Amazon.[/QUOTE]

Hypocrite indeed...

Although, the most interesting part will be whether Glenn Beck and O'Reilly weigh in on this given their books are sold through the Kindle store...
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Also Amazon already came out and said that they weren't going to pull it because it isn't their place to decide what it appropriate and what isn't.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that exactly their place? How is it not their place to say "yeah, we don't believe in pedophilia?" It's not like that would be an incredibly controversial move on their part.

And for the record, Cop Killer was a matter of Free Speech because the government was involved. That's what makes something "Free Speech." Amazon having any balls whatsoever and regulating their own merchandise is not a matter of the First Amendment. I don't want to opine either way on Ice-T's personal beliefs because that's going to incite a whole other argument.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Isn't that exactly their place? How is it not their place to say "yeah, we don't believe in pedophilia?" It's not like that would be an incredibly controversial move on their part.

And for the record, Cop Killer was a matter of Free Speech because the government was involved. That's what makes something "Free Speech." Amazon having any fucking balls whatsoever and regulating their own merchandise is not a matter of the First Amendment.[/QUOTE]
If I'm not mistaken time warner kicked him off their label over it, so I'd say it's pretty similar.
 
[quote name='Survivalism']Isn't that exactly their place? How is it not their place to say "yeah, we don't believe in pedophilia?" It's not like that would be an incredibly controversial move on their part.[/QUOTE]

The whole point is that it isn't their place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't. Where does it stop if they do pull this? They also sell holocaust denier and anti-Semitic books. Pull all of those? How about 9/11 truther stuff? That's pretty wacky shit. Gay erotica? I bet alot of people on the right would love to see those pulled.

[quote name='Clak']If I'm not mistaken time warner kicked him off their label over it, so I'd say it's pretty similar.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't kicked off the label but that (censorship) is the reason he left.
 
I wasn't exactly into his music, but I'd always heard TW dropped him for PR reasons. Still not a dissimilar situation.
 
I am so happy that Amazon is sticking to it's guns and fighting censorship. People that are so willing to throw away our rights as Americans sicken me.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']The whole point is that it isn't their place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't. Where does it stop if they do pull this? They also sell holocaust denier and anti-Semitic books. Pull all of those? How about 9/11 truther stuff? That's pretty wacky shit. Gay erotica? I bet alot of people on the right would love to see those pulled. [/QUOTE]

It's not a retailer's place to decide what types of product are appropriate for their store?

You've never ran a business, have you?
 
[quote name='Clak']Not every place censors media like Wally World, Bob.[/QUOTE]

EVERY business makes decisions as to what kinds of products they sell in their stores. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Those decisions are driven by varying factors - quantity they can sell, profit per item, availability for restock, customer demand, etc., etc. It's what a business does.

One very simple factor is what kind of clientele you want to attract and make happy. It's why Walmart doesn't sell porn and why porn stores don't sell Mother's Day greeting cards.

This doesn't have to be a case of "censorship" (because, of course, only the government truly has the power to censor). This can simply be a business decision by Amazon that carrying this product will do them more harm than good in the long term profits of their business.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']It's not a retailer's place to decide what types of product are appropriate for their store?

You've never ran a business, have you?[/QUOTE]

It's an online store. It isn't like they have limited floor space and have to worry about random people running into it while searching for other stuff. It isn't like this is on the front page or "hey, you like Twilight, you should check out this guide for pedos". Not only is it an online store but this is from the self-publishing wing of their Kindle store. ANYBODY can upload ANYTHING they want on there after they sign up. Right now, I could upload a short story about how I shit in Jesus' mouth after I beat the Virgin Mary to death with a claw hammer and masturbated over her corpse. Not only with that content but all misspelled and typed LiK3 TH1S!!111!!!! 8=====D~~~~. They don't check the files and they don't give a shit what you put up as long as you don't upload a copyrighted story.

There is literally no risk for Amazon to have that file on their server (since a text file is usually only a few KBs) and they only have profit to gain.

And let's be honest, if somebody didn't post about it, would any of us even know about this?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']There is literally no risk for Amazon to have that file on their server and they only have profit to gain.[/QUOTE]

No risk, eh?

Tell that to the Montgomery public bus system.

*IF* enough people are truly offended by this and *IF* they stop purchasing products from Amazon, then yes, there's an obvious risk. I mean, I highly doubt they'll make enough profit off this guide to make up for any substantial loss of business.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']No risk, eh?

Tell that to the Montgomery public bus system.

*IF* enough people are truly offended by this and *IF* they stop purchasing products from Amazon, then yes, there's an obvious risk. I mean, I highly doubt they'll make enough profit off this guide to make up for any substantial loss of business.[/QUOTE]

Well, good job only paying attention to one sentence of that post and missing the point all together (seriously, go back and re-read it)

I meant there is no risk for them compared to having an item take up floor space in a physical store while not selling any copies. (since you brought it up twice now)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']One very simple factor is what kind of clientele you want to attract and make happy.[/QUOTE]

Part of making your shoppers happy is not offending them.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I would actually support this boycott.[/QUOTE]

You would support anything FoxNews tells you to.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']You would support anything FoxNews tells you to.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to actually watch FoxNews in order to know what their orders are.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']The whole point is that it isn't their place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't. Where does it stop if they do pull this? They also sell holocaust denier and anti-Semitic books. Pull all of those? How about 9/11 truther stuff? That's pretty wacky shit. Gay erotica? I bet alot of people on the right would love to see those pulled. [/QUOTE]

I suspect Amazon will fold in a few days as this story picks up more and more steam. From a business standpoint, there really isn't much benefit to being "the site that sells the pedophile handbook", especially since it's likely they'll lose more customers keeping it than they would getting rid of it.

However, I can understand their stance on this. Removing this book opens the door for a ton of demands for other books to be removed. Like you say, this isn't just going to be a one time thing. Hopefully Amazon will be smart enough to realize this and come up with a firm set of rules for pulling things rather than just capitulating to the boycott threat and nothing more.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']I suspect Amazon will fold in a few days as this story picks up more and more steam. From a business standpoint, there really isn't much benefit to being "the site that sells the pedophile handbook", especially since it's likely they'll lose more customers keeping it than they would getting rid of it.

However, I can understand their stance on this. Removing this book opens the door for a ton of demands for other books to be removed. Like you say, this isn't just going to be a one time thing. Hopefully Amazon will be smart enough to realize this and come up with a firm set of rules for pulling things rather than just capitulating to the boycott threat and nothing more.[/QUOTE]

But they already do have a firm set of rules, and giving into this nonsense would open the floodgates.

Amazon has a chance to show that they can stand up for what is right, and I hope that they can stick to it.
 
I see both sides of the issue.

I give Amazon.com credit for having the balls to stand up for free speech.

On the other hand, this is a really reprehensible piece of work.. I always find it strange that a lot of child molesters want to legitimize themselves by starting up organizations like NAMBLA or publishing books like this. They are going against the findings of psychologists everywhere in that molesting children causes psychological damage; Yet they still try to persist.
 
Since the link is dead, I quickly googled the title and came across a dozen sites reporting the story, and found one with a pic of its page before Amazon removed it.

Honestly, I don't see how people can get so up in arms about the ebook, since it appears to be very unprofessional and overall worthless. It actually seems more like some troll attempt, and if thats the case it worked.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']You quote and respond to yourself?[/QUOTE]

I was quoting an earlier post in response to Sporadic's idea that there's no risk to Amazon for them offering this file for sale via their site.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I was quoting an earlier post in response to Sporadic's idea that there's no risk to Amazon for them offering this file for sale via their site.[/QUOTE]

You don't actually read anything on here, do you?

[quote name='Sporadic']Well, good job only paying attention to one sentence of that post and missing the point all together (seriously, go back and re-read it)

I meant there is no risk for them compared to having an item take up floor space in a physical store while not selling any copies. (since you brought it up twice now)[/QUOTE]

So again...

[quote name='UncleBob']It's not a retailer's place to decide what types of product are appropriate for their store?

You've never ran a business, have you?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='UncleBob']EVERY business makes decisions as to what kinds of products they sell in their stores. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

Those decisions are driven by varying factors - quantity they can sell, profit per item, availability for restock, customer demand, etc., etc. It's what a business does.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']It's an online store. It isn't like they have limited floor space and have to worry about random people running into it while searching for other stuff. It isn't like this is on the front page or "hey, you like Twilight, you should check out this guide for pedos". Not only is it an online store but this is from the self-publishing wing of their Kindle store. ANYBODY can upload ANYTHING they want on there after they sign up. Right now, I could upload a short story about how I shit in Jesus' mouth after I beat the Virgin Mary to death with a claw hammer and masturbated over her corpse. Not only with that content but all misspelled and typed LiK3 TH1S!!111!!!! 8=====D~~~~. They don't check the files and they don't give a shit what you put up as long as you don't upload a copyrighted story.

There is literally no risk for Amazon to have that file [sporadic edit - The me "shitting in Jesus' mouth, beating the Virgin Mary to death with a claw hammer, and masturbating on her corpse with horrible grammar, spelling and emoticon ejaculating dicks" short story. Just thought I would clear it up if you some how missed it.] on their server (since a text file is usually only a few KBs) and they only have profit to gain.

And let's be honest, if somebody didn't post about it, would any of us even know about this?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']Well, good job only paying attention to one sentence of that post and missing the point all together (seriously, go back and re-read it)

I meant there is no risk for them compared to having an item take up floor space in a physical store while not selling any copies. (since you brought it up twice now)[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You're right... There is no risk...

...

... if you ignore the risks...[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Me: It's not Amazon's place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't, book wise.
You: Sporadic, EVERY STORE MAKES DECISIONS AS TO WHAT THEY SELL IN THEIR STORE. EVERY DAY THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO STOCK, HOW MANY THEY CAN SELL, PROFIT MARGIN, ETC ETC.
Me: Bob, this is different since Amazon is an online store. There isn't a limited amount of floor space. Anybody can place whatever they want on Amazon's Kindle store and unlike a real store that has a limited amount of floor space and has to sell that product they ordered, Amazon puts one copy of the (small, nothing size-wise) file on their server and if it sells one copy, it's a profit. It's not a risk like a normal store selling a physical product. And unlike a normal store, it's going to be hard to run into something like this unless somebody points it out to you or you go looking for it.
You: *missing the point* RISK?!?! IT IS A RISK TO HAVE A PEDO GUIDE FOR SALE ON THE SITE! THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE TO THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE IF THEY ARE OFFENDED!!! EVER HEAR ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY PUBLIC BUS SYSTEM?!? :drool::drool::drool:
Me: #-o
 
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Look, I know you understand the point - that as a business, Amazon must look at their customer base and determine the right mix of product for their customers. This includes, obviously, making sure they have the products that their customers want available. Likewise, it means making sure they don't just completely repulse customers by offering products that grossly offend a large amount of them.

Amazon will have to sort their customers into three groups - 1.) Those who will spend less money at Amazon because they're selling this, 2.) Those who would spend less money at Amazon if they "censored" this, and 3.) Those who don't care either way. Obviously, group number three is likely to be the largest - so Amazon will then look at groups one and two. Which ever is bigger will get their way.

Since, typically, even free speech advocates like myself even frown upon something like this book (although I 100% agree that the government should not be allowed to truly censor such a book - unless it actually contained sexual photos of underage children) and there's likely not a large audience of people who are likely to buy this book (Pedophiles with eReaders who aren't paranoid enough to avoid buying something so directly and wouldn't just find a free version of it), I'm guessing it'd just be a wise business decision to cave in to group one.

If it's not Amazon's place to determine which products they can carry that fit the desires of their customers, who's place is it?
 
Ok, Bob still doesn't get it. fuck him.

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Here's an interesting article I found while reading through Twitter posts.

This scandal actually pushed it up to #80 on the Kindle best seller list and generated over 2000+ reviews. Amazon has had an actual book on man-boy love up since 2002 (which they also refused to pull). They also sell books on how to smuggle cocaine, build pipe/fire bombs, grow weed and how to get out of your drunk driving arrest.

http://www.joyfulabode.com/2010/11/10/amazonfail-scandalwhats-your-take/

- edit And hey, before this whole shitstorm started, the creepy fuck who wrote this only sold 1 copy.

In an interview today, the author at the center of a controversy about Amazon’s sale of a self-published pedophile’s guide told TSG that he has sold exactly one copy of the book and revealed that he was involuntarily hospitalized following a “mental breakdown.”

Noting that, “I have what they call manic depression,” Phillip Greaves, 47, said that he himself was not a pedophile and that “the best advice I can give a pedophile is accept that masturbation is your best friend.” Greaves’s book, “The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct,” last week became available for download in the e-Book format. It costs $4.79.

Speaking from his Colorado home, Greaves said that he was introduced to sex at age seven by a 10-year-old girl. “I learned about oral sex that day,” he recalled. Greaves said that he continued to engage in sexual activity with other children until he was 15, when “my father put the fear of God in me to stop. Most of the children I was with were younger than me at the time,” said Greaves, who is pictured above.

Asked if he had engaged in sexual acts with children as an adult, Greaves first answered “could have,” before stating flatly that he had not engaged in such illegal conduct.

Greaves denied ever being arrested, but revealed that his mental troubles “came to a head about three years ago” when he suffered a “mental collapse.” At the time, Greaves said, he had been working as a nursing home aide.

The breakdown was so severe, said Greaves, that he was involuntarily hospitalized for about nine months, and spent some of that time in a state mental facility. When he emerged from that hospitalization, Greaves recalled that he decided to go back to writing, which he first started doing while in eighth grade.

His pedophile’s guide is a byproduct of that recommitment to craft.

Greaves, who has also recently self-published several other titles available on Amazon, said that he was unaware of criticism of the pedophile book beyond some negative comments posted to the Amazon sale page. He said those critiques were based only on the book’s title since, “I’ve sold one copy so far.”
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster...e-book-says-he-has-sold-one-copy-creepy-title

- edit 2 Very disturbing video interview with him.

http://www.newsfirst5.com/player/?video_id=4850
 
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[quote name='Sporadic']Yes.

Me: It's not Amazon's place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't, book wise.
You: Sporadic, EVERY STORE MAKES DECISIONS AS TO WHAT THEY SELL IN THEIR STORE. EVERY DAY THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO STOCK, HOW MANY THEY CAN SELL, PROFIT MARGIN, ETC ETC.
Me: Bob, this is different since Amazon is an online store. There isn't a limited amount of floor space. Anybody can place whatever they want on Amazon's Kindle store and unlike a real store that has a limited amount of floor space and has to sell that product they ordered, Amazon puts one copy of the (small, nothing size-wise) file on their server and if it sells one copy, it's a profit. It's not a risk like a normal store selling a physical product. And unlike a normal store, it's going to be hard to run into something like this unless somebody points it out to you or you go looking for it.
You: *missing the point* RISK?!?! IT IS A RISK TO HAVE A PEDO GUIDE FOR SALE ON THE SITE! THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE TO THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE IF THEY ARE OFFENDED!!! EVER HEAR ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY PUBLIC BUS SYSTEM?!? :drool::drool::drool:
Me: #-o[/QUOTE]

You: It's not Amazon's place...
Me: Then who's is it?
You:
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[quote name='JasonTerminator']But they already do have a firm set of rules, and giving into this nonsense would open the floodgates.

Amazon has a chance to show that they can stand up for what is right, and I hope that they can stick to it.[/QUOTE]

It's all going to be a matter of who yells the loudest, and let's be honest, not nearly as many people are going to be yelling to keep this as there are yelling to get rid of it. Even wrapping this as a First Amendment issue, it's such a reprehensible piece of work that a lot of people who might otherwise be willing to stand up for the First Amendment won't do so for fear of being labeled "supporters of pedophiles."
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You: It's not Amazon's place...
Me: Then who's is it?[/QUOTE]

What? That isn't what you have been posting at all.

I post that it isn't Amazon place to decide what is appropriate and what isn't.
You respond back talking about physical stores choosing their product everyday and post again about physical stores before I can get my post up.
I post that it isn't the same thing since anybody can upload anything they want to the Kindle store. They don't have the same situation as a physical store which can get saddled with product that doesn't sell (and cost them money).
You focus in on the word risk for some reason and bring up the bus boycotts from the 50-60s
I post no, you got it wrong. That isn't what I meant. Re-read the post.
You quote yourself.
You respond to another post saying that I said there was no risk for Amazon to host this guide to molesting kids book.
I try really hard to get my point across by reposting the quotes from earlier.
You still don't get it. (And I'm going to guess you didn't read them at all)
I try to boil it down and sum up what I meant.
You still don't get it. Respond back with a big post that has nothing to do with my post.
Me: fuck it, he's never going to get it. Let's move on.
You: Bring up something that only has appeared at the end of your previous post. Hurf Durf Sporadic just curses.
Me: Typing this stupid summary which has no real point since you still won't understand it and will either respond back with another smartass post or some massive post talking about risk.

But in response to the new question. It's nobodies' place and it shouldn't be pulled. Period. It's disgusting, the author is clearly mentally disturbed but it isn't illegal (if it was, Amazon would have pulled it and the author would have been arrested) and before this whole thing started, he only sold one book. The only way to find it was to actually go looking for it (or something of a similar topic) on Amazon's site (which I don't think any sane person would do). Now he is (or was) #80 on the Kindle bestsellers list (I'm guessing it takes more than 1 book sold to get there) and is getting a ton of press.

If this does get pulled, in the end, it will open the floodgates for any questionable content sold on Amazon...which is a bad thing for everybody.
 
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As a company amazon can delete whatever it deems inappropriate whenever they choose to. If they feel having something like that on their site will cause consumers to look elsewhere to buy things, and then remove the book, more power to them.

If they don't wanna remove it, oh well, I'll live.
 
So let me get this straight, a guy writes an e-book telling pedos to jerk off instead of rape kids, it sells one copy before someone comes along and misinterprets the title as how to rape kids and not jerk off, the internet does what it does best and next thing you know a very solid company faces a boycott because people don't bother to actually learn any facts? I mean really, shouldn't we be praising the notion of jerking off instead of raping kids? I'm kind of for that.

And since someone brought it up, isn't NAMBLA a South Park joke? That's not actually a real thing is it?
 
NAMBLA is a real thing. I wish it were a South Park joke.

I'm more likely to shop there because they're not pulling the book. I can respect a company that doesn't bow to pressure, and sells all kinds of knowledge. Even knowledge that I find disgusting and reprehensible.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']My tweet to Ice



Also Amazon already came out and said that they weren't going to pull it because it isn't their place to decide what it appropriate and what isn't.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40112145/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

And double also, I think it's kind of ironic how a guy who was in the middle of a free speech shitstorm when he released a song about killing police officers...is now saying fuck free speech and trying to get people to boycott Amazon.

- edit Oh shit, he responded to me calling him a hypocrite and how he supports murdering police officers because he made Cop Killer (and thankfully didn't use my Twitter name or reply directly to my tweet, I don't want his followers messing with me)

He doesn't really get it but whatever.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, there's kind of a difference between the Pedo's Guide and Cop Killer. The children have no agency where as the cops had plenty of agency to not systematically act as executioners in South Central back then. Cop Killer was a reaction to the day to day environment for those unfortunate people living down there. Pedo's Guide is about being a child predator. All speech is not equal.

So the question is "is it hypocritical?" Only if you take the two out of context.
 
[quote name='dohdough']To be honest, there's kind of a difference between the Pedo's Guide and Cop Killer. The children have no agency where as the cops had plenty of agency to not systematically act as executioners in South Central back then. Cop Killer was a reaction to the day to day environment for those unfortunate people living down there. Pedo's Guide is about being a child predator. All speech is not equal.

So the question is "is it hypocritical?" Only if you take the two out of context.[/QUOTE]

+1 Thank you. All free speech is not the same. And yes, child molestation is worse than cop killing. Even Ice-T has standards.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']What? That isn't what you have been posting at all. [/QUOTE]

Really? The second post I made in this topic was this question:

[quote name='UncleBob']It's not a retailer's place to decide what types of product are appropriate for their store?[/QUOTE]

Now, that doesn't exactly ask "who's place is it?" (I ask that a couple of posts later) - but the intent is obviously there.
 
Don't they censor pornography and shit? Why would this product be laissez faire?

Oh and I heard they pulled out because of the controversy. Endthread
 
[quote name='dohdough']To be honest, there's kind of a difference between the Pedo's Guide and Cop Killer. The children have no agency where as the cops had plenty of agency to not systematically act as executioners in South Central back then. Cop Killer was a reaction to the day to day environment for those unfortunate people living down there. Pedo's Guide is about being a child predator. All speech is not equal.

So the question is "is it hypocritical?" Only if you take the two out of context.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='eldergamer']+1 Thank you. All free speech is not the same. And yes, child molestation is worse than cop killing. Even Ice-T has standards.[/QUOTE]

You both kind of missed the point. Ice was saying that if you didn't support pulling this book, you support molesting children. That is the same argument they were using against him and his fans back in the early 90s (if you don't support Time Warner pulling Body Count/Cop Killer, you support the murder of police officers)...which makes him a massive hypocrite.

And it's pretty disappointing to see people say stuff like "fuck free speech" and "all free speech is not the same". People still haven't figured out the slippery slope on things like this? (especially Ice-T because when he caved on Cop Killer, they started going after him about everything before he finally left the label)

[quote name='IRHari']Don't they censor pornography and shit? Why would this product be laissez faire? [/QUOTE]

They have markers up for certain porn titles and sell a ton of books that are a how to for something illegal. This is laissez faire since it is the self-publishing wing of their Kindle store. Anybody can upload anything they want if they have an Amazon account and a social security number (as long as it isn't a copyrighted book/bootleg)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You both kind of missed the point. Ice was saying that if you didn't support pulling this book, you support molesting children. That is the same argument they were using against him and his fans back in the early 90s (if you don't support Time Warner pulling Body Count/Cop Killer, you support the murder of police officers)...which makes him a massive hypocrite.

And it's pretty disappointing to see people say stuff like "fuck free speech" and "all free speech is not the same". You still haven't figured out the slippery slope on things like this?[/QUOTE]

All free speech is *not* the same.

For example, if I wanted to stand on the street corner and yell about how Bush organized 9/11 or that Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim, I can do that and cannot be stopped.

But if I wanted to stand in your living room and yell about the exact same thing, you can force me to leave.

Same thing here. No rational person is saying that this guy should be prevented from writing this trash. All we're saying is if Amazon wants us to come over for dinner, they're going to have to ask this guy to leave first.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Ok, Bob still doesn't get it. fuck him.

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Here's an interesting article I found while reading through Twitter posts.

This scandal actually pushed it up to #80 on the Kindle best seller list and generated over 2000+ reviews. Amazon has had an actual book on man-boy love up since 2002 (which they also refused to pull). They also sell books on how to smuggle cocaine, build pipe/fire bombs, grow weed and how to get out of your drunk driving arrest.

http://www.joyfulabode.com/2010/11/10/amazonfail-scandalwhats-your-take/

- edit And hey, before this whole shitstorm started, the creepy fuck who wrote this only sold 1 copy.



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster...e-book-says-he-has-sold-one-copy-creepy-title

- edit 2 Very disturbing video interview with him.

http://www.newsfirst5.com/player/?video_id=4850[/QUOTE]
Like I said, they (and other book sellers) have been selling books like the Anarchist Cookbook for years, yet this is hwta gets people fired up? Books about making explosives and other dangerous things are fine, but this is bad?
 
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