Amazon sells "Pedophiles Guide," internet about to boycott
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[quote name='UncleBob']It's not a retailer's place to decide what types of product are appropriate for their store?
You've never ran a business, have you?[/QUOTE]
This.
Sporadic and I are often of the same mindset, but it looks like we're on opposite sides on this one. I haven't read the links yet, so I'm a bit ignorant on this one, but if this is truly a guide to give budding pedophiles tips on how to get away with it, this has no place being available for anyone. We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue. If the author has written a book to enable pedophiles from raping kids, then he is in violation of the law.
I'm disappointed that Amazon wouldn't pull it from the store. As Bob said, they are a business. If they don't think something represents them well, or it's illegal/bordering on illegal, they have every right to pull it. Free speech bandleaders always think that we have the right to say anything. That's just not true. Additionally, corporations, networks, employers can all limit what they sell/say/discuss in a public forum. That's called policy, not violating free speech.
You've never ran a business, have you?[/QUOTE]
This.
Sporadic and I are often of the same mindset, but it looks like we're on opposite sides on this one. I haven't read the links yet, so I'm a bit ignorant on this one, but if this is truly a guide to give budding pedophiles tips on how to get away with it, this has no place being available for anyone. We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue. If the author has written a book to enable pedophiles from raping kids, then he is in violation of the law.
I'm disappointed that Amazon wouldn't pull it from the store. As Bob said, they are a business. If they don't think something represents them well, or it's illegal/bordering on illegal, they have every right to pull it. Free speech bandleaders always think that we have the right to say anything. That's just not true. Additionally, corporations, networks, employers can all limit what they sell/say/discuss in a public forum. That's called policy, not violating free speech.
[quote name='UncleBob']All free speech is *not* the same.
For example, if I wanted to stand on the street corner and yell about how Bush organized 9/11 or that Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim, I can do that and cannot be stopped.
But if I wanted to stand in your living room and yell about the exact same thing, you can force me to leave.
Same thing here. No rational person is saying that this guy should be prevented from writing this trash. All we're saying is if Amazon wants us to come over for dinner, they're going to have to ask this guy to leave first.[/QUOTE]
I wasted my time writing a lengthy post. I should've just quoted this. Perfectly said on every point.
For example, if I wanted to stand on the street corner and yell about how Bush organized 9/11 or that Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim, I can do that and cannot be stopped.
But if I wanted to stand in your living room and yell about the exact same thing, you can force me to leave.
Same thing here. No rational person is saying that this guy should be prevented from writing this trash. All we're saying is if Amazon wants us to come over for dinner, they're going to have to ask this guy to leave first.[/QUOTE]
I wasted my time writing a lengthy post. I should've just quoted this. Perfectly said on every point.
[quote name='UncleBob']
But if I wanted to stand in your living room and yell about the exact same thing, you can force me to leave.
Same thing here. No rational person is saying that this guy should be prevented from writing this trash. All we're saying is if Amazon wants us to come over for dinner, they're going to have to ask this guy to leave first.[/QUOTE]
Where does it stop? If he opens his own website and posts his guide on there, you going to go after the hosting company? If he self-publishes a physical book, you going to go after the printer for printing it out? USPS/UPS/FedEx for mailing it?
And where does it stop for Amazon? If they pull this book, should they pull those how to build a bomb or holocaust denyer books if people complain about it? Gay Erotica? Legitimate stories with underage characters having sex
? Anything that offends a group of people?
[quote name='berzirk']We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue.[/QUOTE]
So, what's up with the Anarchist Cookbook and various bomb making books being available on Amazon? Or the book that can teach me how to smuggle cocaine?
If this is truly illegal, why hasn't the author been arrested?
[quote name='nasum']And seriously, you can toss whatever you want onto the Kindle store (bootlegs and plagerized material aside)? Holy crap! That's awesome, I need to start writing again...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you can put up anything you want and price it however you want (besides free last time I heard)
But if I wanted to stand in your living room and yell about the exact same thing, you can force me to leave.
Same thing here. No rational person is saying that this guy should be prevented from writing this trash. All we're saying is if Amazon wants us to come over for dinner, they're going to have to ask this guy to leave first.[/QUOTE]
Where does it stop? If he opens his own website and posts his guide on there, you going to go after the hosting company? If he self-publishes a physical book, you going to go after the printer for printing it out? USPS/UPS/FedEx for mailing it?
And where does it stop for Amazon? If they pull this book, should they pull those how to build a bomb or holocaust denyer books if people complain about it? Gay Erotica? Legitimate stories with underage characters having sex
Let's say Stephen King's IT which basically has a underage gangbang at the end
[quote name='berzirk']We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue.[/QUOTE]
So, what's up with the Anarchist Cookbook and various bomb making books being available on Amazon? Or the book that can teach me how to smuggle cocaine?
If this is truly illegal, why hasn't the author been arrested?
[quote name='nasum']And seriously, you can toss whatever you want onto the Kindle store (bootlegs and plagerized material aside)? Holy crap! That's awesome, I need to start writing again...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you can put up anything you want and price it however you want (besides free last time I heard)
Berzirk -
There was a quote earlier in this thread where the author sort of states that the book isn't about luring in kids, but how to behave if you have predatory instincts, basically jerk off instead of rape kids to satisfy your "craving". I think that's a pretty damn reasonable course of action...
There was a quote earlier in this thread where the author sort of states that the book isn't about luring in kids, but how to behave if you have predatory instincts, basically jerk off instead of rape kids to satisfy your "craving". I think that's a pretty damn reasonable course of action...
[quote name='berzirk']This.
Sporadic and I are often of the same mindset, but it looks like we're on opposite sides on this one. I haven't read the links yet, so I'm a bit ignorant on this one, but if this is truly a guide to give budding pedophiles tips on how to get away with it, this has no place being available for anyone. We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue. If the author has written a book to enable pedophiles from raping kids, then he is in violation of the law.
I'm disappointed that Amazon wouldn't pull it from the store. As Bob said, they are a business. If they don't think something represents them well, or it's illegal/bordering on illegal, they have every right to pull it. Free speech bandleaders always think that we have the right to say anything. That's just not true. Additionally, corporations, networks, employers can all limit what they sell/say/discuss in a public forum. That's called policy, not violating free speech.[/QUOTE]
But books that give instructions on making bombs are ok? You know, no way anyone could use that to harm anyone.
Sporadic and I are often of the same mindset, but it looks like we're on opposite sides on this one. I haven't read the links yet, so I'm a bit ignorant on this one, but if this is truly a guide to give budding pedophiles tips on how to get away with it, this has no place being available for anyone. We do have free speech, but not when it can be the basis for committing crimes. Look it up. You couldn't write a book encouraging and providing support for the best way to murder your neighbor Steve. That's not legal, and isn't a free speech issue. If the author has written a book to enable pedophiles from raping kids, then he is in violation of the law.
I'm disappointed that Amazon wouldn't pull it from the store. As Bob said, they are a business. If they don't think something represents them well, or it's illegal/bordering on illegal, they have every right to pull it. Free speech bandleaders always think that we have the right to say anything. That's just not true. Additionally, corporations, networks, employers can all limit what they sell/say/discuss in a public forum. That's called policy, not violating free speech.[/QUOTE]
But books that give instructions on making bombs are ok? You know, no way anyone could use that to harm anyone.
[quote name='nasum']Berzirk -
There was a quote earlier in this thread where the author sort of states that the book isn't about luring in kids, but how to behave if you have predatory instincts, basically jerk off instead of rape kids to satisfy your "craving". I think that's a pretty damn reasonable course of action...[/QUOTE]
That's not true. I've read excerpts of this book on other sites and it's pretty messed up/detailed.
There was a quote earlier in this thread where the author sort of states that the book isn't about luring in kids, but how to behave if you have predatory instincts, basically jerk off instead of rape kids to satisfy your "craving". I think that's a pretty damn reasonable course of action...[/QUOTE]
That's not true. I've read excerpts of this book on other sites and it's pretty messed up/detailed.
[quote name='Sporadic']Where does it stop? If he opens his own website and posts his guide on there, you going to go after the hosting company? If he self-publishes a physical book, you going to go after the printer for printing it out? USPS/UPS/FedEx for mailing it?
And where does it stop for Amazon? If they pull this book, should they pull those how to build a bomb or holocaust denyer books if people complain about it? Gay Erotica? Legitimate stories with underage characters having sex
? Anything that offends a group of people?[/quote]
To quote one of our more memorable members on this forum...
What books should Amazon pull? That's up to Amazon - again, based on the ABC categories I listed above. Which group is going to cost Amazon the most amount of money?
As for other businesses - let me make this pretty clear - if there is any business out there that is knowingly profiting from child pornography or child molestation and isn't doing anything to prevent that from happening, then yes, I would have no problem taking my business elsewhere. This doesn't mean I'm going to "go after" them - although I wouldn't necessarily be against any other particular group that wanted to. It just means I'd be willing to take my business elsewhere. That's all.
Question for you - now that it appears that Amazon has pulled the book, will you be spending your money elsewhere in protest?
And where does it stop for Amazon? If they pull this book, should they pull those how to build a bomb or holocaust denyer books if people complain about it? Gay Erotica? Legitimate stories with underage characters having sex
Let's say Stephen King's IT which basically has a underage gangbang at the end
To quote one of our more memorable members on this forum...
What books should Amazon pull? That's up to Amazon - again, based on the ABC categories I listed above. Which group is going to cost Amazon the most amount of money?
As for other businesses - let me make this pretty clear - if there is any business out there that is knowingly profiting from child pornography or child molestation and isn't doing anything to prevent that from happening, then yes, I would have no problem taking my business elsewhere. This doesn't mean I'm going to "go after" them - although I wouldn't necessarily be against any other particular group that wanted to. It just means I'd be willing to take my business elsewhere. That's all.
Question for you - now that it appears that Amazon has pulled the book, will you be spending your money elsewhere in protest?
[quote name='Sporadic']
So, what's up with the Anarchist Cookbook and various bomb making books being available on Amazon? Or the book that can teach me how to smuggle cocaine?
If this is truly illegal, why hasn't the author been arrested?
)[/QUOTE]
You can build a small explosive device in your house. If a book is telling you how to use it to kill the most people, then I believe that is technically illegal. Building an explosive to sit in your closet for eternity isn't against the law. Raping a child in the privacy of your own home is. Giving advice on how to make it possible, get away with it, basically to conduct the crime, is.
I'm not saying that if you're in favor of Amazon allowing this to be sold then you support child rape, but I'd gladly give up my personal freedoms if it meant this trash couldn't be disseminated and pedohiles could be buried alive. In the Republic of Me, if you think it's OK to sexually assault a child, you've proven you're subhuman, therefore you've lost any and all rights. Not exactly grounded in law on the Constitution, heh, but I wouldn't shed a tear if it was!
So, what's up with the Anarchist Cookbook and various bomb making books being available on Amazon? Or the book that can teach me how to smuggle cocaine?
If this is truly illegal, why hasn't the author been arrested?
)[/QUOTE]
You can build a small explosive device in your house. If a book is telling you how to use it to kill the most people, then I believe that is technically illegal. Building an explosive to sit in your closet for eternity isn't against the law. Raping a child in the privacy of your own home is. Giving advice on how to make it possible, get away with it, basically to conduct the crime, is.
I'm not saying that if you're in favor of Amazon allowing this to be sold then you support child rape, but I'd gladly give up my personal freedoms if it meant this trash couldn't be disseminated and pedohiles could be buried alive. In the Republic of Me, if you think it's OK to sexually assault a child, you've proven you're subhuman, therefore you've lost any and all rights. Not exactly grounded in law on the Constitution, heh, but I wouldn't shed a tear if it was!
[quote name='Sporadic']That's not true. I've read excerpts of this book on other sites and it's pretty messed up/detailed.[/QUOTE]
Is there candy involved?
I stand corrected, if it's really a how to on raping kids, then the dude should be executed. I like to think that I've got a nice sick and twisted sense of humor, but there is a line and kid rape is not on the same side that I find myself.
Is there candy involved?
I stand corrected, if it's really a how to on raping kids, then the dude should be executed. I like to think that I've got a nice sick and twisted sense of humor, but there is a line and kid rape is not on the same side that I find myself.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/11/pedophile-guide-author-confident-title-return-amazon/
Apparently, Amazon is re-reviewing the book. Probably to make a more final call in regards to keeping it on their store.
I hope they have a damn good reason other than obeying the mindless hordes of stupidity if they decide to remove the book permanently, instead of upholding their earlier statements against censorship.
EDIT: EW, I just noticed the link is from Fox News. DAMN YOU GOOGLE!
Apparently, Amazon is re-reviewing the book. Probably to make a more final call in regards to keeping it on their store.
I hope they have a damn good reason other than obeying the mindless hordes of stupidity if they decide to remove the book permanently, instead of upholding their earlier statements against censorship.
EDIT: EW, I just noticed the link is from Fox News. DAMN YOU GOOGLE!
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Part of me thought it was a ruse by the FBI to get a list of pedophiles and liberal journalists but that was just the conspiracy theorist in me.
So to those who don't think Amazon should remove the book (let's ignore the fact that's a company policy issue and not a free speech issue as many of you are complaining about), should instructions on how to commit child sex abuse be a protected freedom?
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.
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[quote name='georox']You could've just said pedophiles... why repeat yourself?[/QUOTE]
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Books on how to commit a crime(any crime) should not be allowed to be sold, imo. If someone wrote a book about how to assassinate the president detailing the secret service's shifts and tactics, I guarantee you it would be pulled from the store and that person would be getting a visit from a federal agent.
Granted, that's an extreme example, but you guys get my point.
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Books on how to commit a crime(any crime) should not be allowed to be sold, imo. If someone wrote a book about how to assassinate the president detailing the secret service's shifts and tactics, I guarantee you it would be pulled from the store and that person would be getting a visit from a federal agent.
Granted, that's an extreme example, but you guys get my point.
Honestly... rather you think it should or shouldn't be censored, everything is censored anymore. The government wants to shut down anything people find slightly questionable, it's easier on them to do that than to tell people "It's not your problem so shut the 
up."
Oh, and Amazon needs to sell porn, seriously.
up."Oh, and Amazon needs to sell porn, seriously.
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[quote name='berzirk']So to those who don't think Amazon should remove the book (let's ignore the fact that's a company policy issue and not a free speech issue as many of you are complaining about), should instructions on how to commit child sex abuse be a protected freedom?
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
Free speech!*
*Until it makes me uncomfortable...
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
Free speech!*
*Until it makes me uncomfortable...
[quote name='berzirk']So to those who don't think Amazon should remove the book (let's ignore the fact that's a company policy issue and not a free speech issue as many of you are complaining about), should instructions on how to commit child sex abuse be a protected freedom?
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
And what of those of us who think the real free speech issue is that Amazon should be able to decide for themselves to take the book down or not?
Of those who say yes, I wonder how many of you are parents. I used to get those annoying people who would grin at me and tell me how much life changes when you have kids. I thought they were talking about sleep, diapers, expenses, but the part that hit me the hardest was how protective I am of children, and how much more stories about terrible things happening to them affects me. God forbid, if something horrible ever happened to my kids like this, I don't need to detail what my reaction would be. I think you get the idea. If I learned that the person was inspired by some pervert who wrote a how to book on it...whew. Crimes against people as innocent and naive as children are unfathomable. If a child does get hurt by a creep who downloads this book, I hope the author, and Amazon, lose a fortune in a lawsuit.[/QUOTE]
And what of those of us who think the real free speech issue is that Amazon should be able to decide for themselves to take the book down or not?
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Amazon caved, the book has been pulled: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/11/pedophile.guide/index.html?hpt=T2
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[quote name='chatgirl4']Amazon caved, the book has been pulled: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/11/pedophile.guide/index.html?hpt=T2[/QUOTE]
Alright! Next up on the chopping block, homosexuality books, when all the megachurches realize that 3k negative reviews can get Amazon to pull content.
Way to go, everybody. Go participate in your local book burnings this weekend to celebrate!
Alright! Next up on the chopping block, homosexuality books, when all the megachurches realize that 3k negative reviews can get Amazon to pull content.
Way to go, everybody. Go participate in your local book burnings this weekend to celebrate!
[quote name='berzirk']So to those who don't think Amazon should remove the book (let's ignore the fact that's a company policy issue and not a free speech issue as many of you are complaining about), should instructions on how to commit child sex abuse be a protected freedom?[/QUOTE]
Even though I don't fall into the first category, Yes.
Even though I don't fall into the first category, Yes.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']And what of those of us who think the real free speech issue is that Amazon should be able to decide for themselves to take the book down or not?[/QUOTE]
Right, but what most of you neglect to understand is that it's a corporate policy issue, and they have elected to take it down because of the negative press. It's not stifled free speech. If someone wants to reserve a conference room at a hotel for a NAMBLA conference, the Marriott can tell them to geting lost. That doesn't mean NAMBLA doesn't have free speech. They could legally organize a parade to champion child ing. Businesses, broadcasters, they have the ability to govern what they will allow to be sold, or to broadcast. Protected free speech is when the government tells you you can't say something. I'm personally 100% for pedophile training books to not be a protected type of free speech, but the Constitution and I aren't on the same page there.
Right, but what most of you neglect to understand is that it's a corporate policy issue, and they have elected to take it down because of the negative press. It's not stifled free speech. If someone wants to reserve a conference room at a hotel for a NAMBLA conference, the Marriott can tell them to get
ing lost. That doesn't mean NAMBLA doesn't have free speech. They could legally organize a parade to champion child ing. Businesses, broadcasters, they have the ability to govern what they will allow to be sold, or to broadcast. Protected free speech is when the government tells you you can't say something. I'm personally 100% for pedophile training books to not be a protected type of free speech, but the Constitution and I aren't on the same page there.[quote name='JasonTerminator']Alright! Next up on the chopping block, homosexuality books, when all the megachurches realize that 3k negative reviews can get Amazon to pull content.
Way to go, everybody. Go participate in your local book burnings this weekend to celebrate![/QUOTE]
Woo! I'll go get a case of bibles to bring, I hear lies burn better than truth.
Way to go, everybody. Go participate in your local book burnings this weekend to celebrate![/QUOTE]
Woo! I'll go get a case of bibles to bring, I hear lies burn better than truth.
[quote name='Clak']So apparently Amazon feels that this is worse than many of the other dangerous books they sell. GG Amazon.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more a matter of this being the book that gave them a ton of negative press, so it's the one that got the boot. It really doesn't speak about any other book Amazon has available.
I think it's more a matter of this being the book that gave them a ton of negative press, so it's the one that got the boot. It really doesn't speak about any other book Amazon has available.
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Amazon can do whatever they want (sell it or pull it)... I'm against people blasting them for selling it. I don't want Amazon to turn into Target or Wal-Mart which don't carry any good music for fear of offending their idiot customers.
[quote name='UncleBob']Anyone?[/QUOTE]
No.
What's the point of protesting (via not buying anything from) Amazon, a company that had their hand forced?
Just don't be surprised when this happens again with something a little less extreme...because it will. The floodgates have been opened.
No.
What's the point of protesting (via not buying anything from) Amazon, a company that had their hand forced?
Just don't be surprised when this happens again with something a little less extreme...because it will. The floodgates have been opened.
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Principles take a backseat to most people's wallets.[/QUOTE]
Too true. I always love it when people on this site (or any deal-oriented site) say they're pissed at some company and will never buy from them again, when they're just going to cave at the first great deal that store has.
Principles take a backseat to most people's wallets.[/QUOTE]
Too true. I always love it when people on this site (or any deal-oriented site) say they're pissed at some company and will never buy from them again, when they're just going to cave at the first great deal that store has.
[quote name='Squall835']Too true. I always love it when people on this site (or any deal-oriented site) say they're pissed at some company and will never buy from them again, when they're just going to cave at the first great deal that store has.[/QUOTE]
I do when it's called for (sold all my Xbox 360 gear after a horrible run-in with a customer service rep, stopped buying ebooks after the publishers held Amazon at gunpoint to try and protect their hardback sales by artificially raising the prices, etc.) but what's the point of not buying from Amazon because they caved to public opinion?
I do when it's called for (sold all my Xbox 360 gear after a horrible run-in with a customer service rep, stopped buying ebooks after the publishers held Amazon at gunpoint to try and protect their hardback sales by artificially raising the prices, etc.) but what's the point of not buying from Amazon because they caved to public opinion?
Ignore the question, it's bullshit rhetoric. This got painted in some free speech vs morality thing, when it's nothing of the sort, resulting in a damned-all-ways result.
Amazon caves and you still shop there? Doh ho ho, you are against free speech.
Amazon caves and you don't shop there? Doh ho ho, why u mad at saving money bro?
Amazon doesn't cave and you still shop there? Doh ho ho, you are a teh pedoz.
Amazon doesn't cave and you don't shop there? Doh ho ho, you are against free market.
Voting with your dollars sounds like a nice idea and all, but the mechanisms you are investing in are so far intermingled with each other that it is virtually all the same machine. Adding some arbitrary layer of standing for principles in a situation where they are almost all but entirely divorced is just silly. We're so wrapped up in pretending that there's always ulterior motives and unsaid things in every action we do that we've entirely lost the ability to examine anything on an Occam's Razor level.
Sometimes it's just aing cigar. Damn.
Amazon caves and you still shop there? Doh ho ho, you are against free speech.
Amazon caves and you don't shop there? Doh ho ho, why u mad at saving money bro?
Amazon doesn't cave and you still shop there? Doh ho ho, you are a teh pedoz.
Amazon doesn't cave and you don't shop there? Doh ho ho, you are against free market.
Voting with your dollars sounds like a nice idea and all, but the mechanisms you are investing in are so far intermingled with each other that it is virtually all the same machine. Adding some arbitrary layer of standing for principles in a situation where they are almost all but entirely divorced is just silly. We're so wrapped up in pretending that there's always ulterior motives and unsaid things in every action we do that we've entirely lost the ability to examine anything on an Occam's Razor level.
Sometimes it's just a
ing cigar. Damn.[quote name='IRHari']Principles take a backseat to most people's wallets.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, for many, yes it does.
[quote name='Sporadic']What's the point of protesting (via not buying anything from) Amazon, a company that had their hand forced?[/QUOTE]
No one *forced* Amazon, they made that decision on their own, based on.... oh, what's that word? Risk.
Amazon decided the risk of carrying the product was greater than the risk of not carrying the product. Everyone here proved that - where as there were some of us willing to not spend money at Amazon over this, not a single one of you who supported the idea of carrying this eBook are willing to stand up and say that you won't support Amazon now.
Sadly, for many, yes it does.
[quote name='Sporadic']What's the point of protesting (via not buying anything from) Amazon, a company that had their hand forced?[/QUOTE]
No one *forced* Amazon, they made that decision on their own, based on.... oh, what's that word? Risk.
Amazon decided the risk of carrying the product was greater than the risk of not carrying the product. Everyone here proved that - where as there were some of us willing to not spend money at Amazon over this, not a single one of you who supported the idea of carrying this eBook are willing to stand up and say that you won't support Amazon now.
[quote name='UncleBob']Everyone here proved that - where as there were some of us willing to not spend money at Amazon over this, not a single one of you who supported the idea of carrying this eBook are willing to stand up and say that you won't support Amazon now.[/QUOTE]
Not me! Here's a picture of me and my take on this:
Sure they may sell how-to books on pedophile but....boycotting a site that sells shit 50% of MSRP + no tax + free shipping? Are youing kidding me?
Not me! Here's a picture of me and my take on this:
Sure they may sell how-to books on pedophile but....boycotting a site that sells shit 50% of MSRP + no tax + free shipping? Are you
ing kidding me?And that's okay - I wouldn't be going around saying "Amazon sells pedo guides/doesn't support free speech... don't shop there!" - But I would personally consider not shopping there (and did, while this was going on and found what I wanted at the mall, slightly cheaper after shipping) - yet no one seems to be coming forth with any kind of organized anti-Amazon boycott since they made the decision to drop the book.
It's kinda funny - all the people who were all for Amazon carrying this book are also the ones who are putting their wallets before their beliefs.
PS: No tax? What state do you live in? Are you still supposed to be paying sales tax, yet cheating the government?
It's kinda funny - all the people who were all for Amazon carrying this book are also the ones who are putting their wallets before their beliefs.
PS: No tax? What state do you live in? Are you still supposed to be paying sales tax, yet cheating the government?
Hyuk hyuk indeed.
What about people who don't know about the controversy, and just keep shopping at Amazon? Are they great hypocrites too? Or is this one of those situations where only those who specifically know about it are the ones that are held accountable? Do people suddenly have to ask if the gift they just got was purchased from Amazon?
Once again, bullshit rhetoric, stupid question.
What about people who don't know about the controversy, and just keep shopping at Amazon? Are they great hypocrites too? Or is this one of those situations where only those who specifically know about it are the ones that are held accountable? Do people suddenly have to ask if the gift they just got was purchased from Amazon?
Once again, bullshit rhetoric, stupid question.
Conservative friend strikes again. He starts talking about this, and when I tell him that Amazon allows people to self publish e-books he says "Oh....I didn't know that.". That is a key part of this, but that's the way most people seem to pay attention to this stuff, they hear about it and don't bother looking into it.
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It's post like dabamus' that make me lose hope in humanity. I mean it's basically built on Nazis censored books (through fir), Amazon censors book, censorship leads to Amazon becoming Nazi's. I mean if the government was coming into the whole equation I would be worried, but this was a private company pulling something that was starting to hurt its business. I agree the book was horrible and am personally glad it was removed, but to move from a relatively isolated incident to hinting that this is the first step to killing a million Jews is a ing disgusting way for someone to object to the pulling of this book.
ing disgusting way for someone to object to the pulling of this book.[quote name='cindersphere']It's post like dabamus' that make me lose hope in humanity. I mean it's basically built on Nazis censored books (through fir), Amazon censors book, censorship leads to Amazon becoming Nazi's. I mean if the government was coming into the whole equation I would be worried, but this was a private company pulling something that was starting to hurt its business. I agree the book was horrible and am personally glad it was removed, but to move from a relatively isolated incident to hinting that this is the first step to killing a million Jews is a ing disgusting way for someone to object to the pulling of this book.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='dabamus']Once you start censoring books, that leads to places you don't want to go. (Nazis anyone?)[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ, did Glenn Beck bring this thread back from the dead and hijack it?
ing disgusting way for someone to object to the pulling of this book.[/QUOTE][quote name='dabamus']Once you start censoring books, that leads to places you don't want to go. (Nazis anyone?)[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ, did Glenn Beck bring this thread back from the dead and hijack it?
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I forgot, 10 days is internet old.
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