Amazon's warehouse/sweatshop.

[quote name='camoor']Of course. Duh.

How many mines have to collapse, how many oil rigs have to blow up, how many people have to die before you start to get it?[/QUOTE]

No kidding, the mining industry has been arguably one of the most widely ignored industries for this. It's shameful and fucking disgusting.
One mining area got so fucked up that the town above has been abandoned. I believe it's some silver or coal mines in Philadelphia. The town is basically sinking into where the mine is located. There's more to it speculated on the industry side though.
Dohdough when I say co-op I'm not even referring to the CSA I have a share of rather a co-op grocery store. If you're in the midwest chances are you might have one of these around.
Well if anyone else is interested it's called "Co-Op Deals" for the flyer I believe.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']No kidding, the mining industry has been arguably one of the most widely ignored industries for this. It's shameful and fucking disgusting.
One mining area got so fucked up that the town above has been abandoned. I believe it's some silver or coal mines in Philadelphia. The town is basically sinking into where the mine is located. There's more to it speculated on the industry side though.
Dohdough when I say co-op I'm not even referring to the CSA I have a share of rather a co-op grocery store. If you're in the midwest chances are you might have one of these around.
Well if anyone else is interested it's called "Co-Op Deals" for the flyer I believe.[/QUOTE]

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
Saint Peter don't cha call me cause I can't go.
I owe my soul to the company store

I seriously believe that most people don't understand the absolutely abysmal working conditions that led to the formation of labor laws in the first place.
 
What about Maine and how they want to soften child labor laws? It makes me sick.

I think if we had actual transparency in labor laws we'd see a definite effect. Mandatory GMO labeling would almost cut Monsanto's legs off in that area.

Here's a question too. Why do we call only African Diamonds Blood Money most of the time? As far as I'm concerned the Aspartame debacle was so G.E. Searle could get their BLOOD Money, Monsanto I suspect knew what Agent Orange would do, Blood Money again.
Why do they hide the chemicals on Hydrolic Fracking? So they can make Blood Money again.

fuck "Blood For Oil" smell and taste what's cooking under your soil or in your drinking water. This is my verse by the way.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']What about Maine and how they want to soften child labor laws? It makes me sick.

I think if we had actual transparency in labor laws we'd see a definite effect. Mandatory GMO labeling would almost cut Monsanto's legs off in that area.

Here's a question too. Why do we call only African Diamonds Blood Money most of the time? As far as I'm concerned the Aspartame debacle was so G.E. Searle could get their BLOOD Money, Monsanto I suspect knew what Agent Orange would do, Blood Money again.
Why do they hide the chemicals on Hydrolic Fracking? So they can make Blood Money again.

fuck "Blood For Oil" smell and taste what's cooking under your soil or in your drinking water. This is my verse by the way.[/QUOTE]

The sad thing is that we can't even win on the most blatant blood money issues. How would we ever win on Monsanto?

Monsanto are pretty slick - I mean anyone with a internet connection and 20 minutes to spare can discover the truth but Americans are either too stupid or would rather not know. I wish they were the sensational cold-blooded car-detonating murderers depicted in Michael Clayton but that's a Hollywood fantasy.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']
One mining area got so fucked up that the town above has been abandoned. I believe it's some silver or coal mines in Philadelphia. The town is basically sinking into where the mine is located.[/QUOTE]

Centralia. Silent Hill was based on that town. The game didn't go into it so much, but the movie did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjtmaCI9_wM

Turn off the volume a ways in though, so you don't have to listen to the Requiem For A Dream song every fucktard that creates a "dramatic" video picks for the soundtrack.
 
[quote name='camoor']The sad thing is that we can't even win on the most blatant blood money issues. How would we ever win on Monsanto?

Monsanto are pretty slick - I mean anyone with a internet connection and 20 minutes to spare can discover the truth but Americans are either too stupid or would rather not know. I wish they were the sensational cold-blooded car-detonating murderers depicted in Michael Clayton but that's a Hollywood fantasy.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think it's because most people don't care and don't care to know. Blood diamonds are fucking easy to understand, but look at the multi-billion dollar industry that's still supported by them. Seriously, how many of our friends and family want "real" diamonds for an engagement ring? I know two guys that spent like 20k each on one. It's fucking nuts.

With the ignorance surrounding De Beers(part of the Louie Vuitton, Moet, Hennesey [aka LVMH] conglomerate and I don't buy any of their products that I'm aware of), controversies surrounding Monsanto, Cargill, et al are lost causes. I'm still going to proselytize till the day I die though...I won't be around for the endgame and see them torn down, but I'll sure as hell make sure I do things to get us there.
 
I'll admit, my knowledge of Centralia consists of that video and the Wikipedia page (I would love a book or movie suggestion with more information on this - going to have to check some of the Wiki references), but according to Wiki (yeah, yeah, I know), the fire started as a combination of the local government's decision to just burn trash and the local government's failure to comply with legal requirements for fire-resistant clay barriers.

So... what's all this blame on the mining company?

And all this talk about Blood Diamonds... it's interesting how many State Governments are involved in the process of mining and selling the diamonds. Sure, those who buy them (middle-men corporations and end-product consumers) share into the blame... But none of this would be possible if it weren't for overly-corrupt government with their hands in the cookie jar.

I sure hope we never end up with overly-corrupt, overpowered government officials like that here.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I'll admit, my knowledge of Centralia consists of that video and the Wikipedia page (I would love a book or movie suggestion with more information on this - going to have to check some of the Wiki references), but according to Wiki (yeah, yeah, I know), the fire started as a combination of the local government's decision to just burn trash and the local government's failure to comply with legal requirements for fire-resistant clay barriers.

So... what's all this blame on the mining company?

And all this talk about Blood Diamonds... it's interesting how many State Governments are involved in the process of mining and selling the diamonds. Sure, those who buy them (middle-men corporations and end-product consumers) share into the blame... But none of this would be possible if it weren't for overly-corrupt government with their hands in the cookie jar.

I sure hope we never end up with overly-corrupt, overpowered government officials like that here.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's all the big bad GOVERNMENT'S! fault. We should just get them out of the way and have the corporations take over!:roll:

Would it really kill you to think about the mental vomit you post once in a while? I know you like the taste of corporate cock, but give it a rest.

Areas like these are generally economically depressed and corporations hold disproportionate power to skirt regulations. A government can only be as corrupt as the outside forces that seek to corrupt it. Like in your head, nothing happens in a vacuum.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I know you like the taste of corporate cock, but give it a rest.[/QUOTE]

And thus, we sum up dohdough's argument for those whom he disagrees with. You're either with him, or you're performing sexual acts with someone's penis.

Yeah, it's all the big bad GOVERNMENT'S! fault. We should just get them out of the way and have the corporations take over!
Click to expand...

Yeah, because the only two options we could possibly ever have is either an overly-corrupt, overly-powerful government or a land ruled by corporations. It has to be one or the other. Anything else is sheer lunacy.
 
People who come here to DC are often surprised that many govt workers here care about America ALOT. As in overtime, sacrifice time with family, get stressed to the max. That's something that I think gets lost in all the rhetoric, and to me it's sad. Even sadder because I'm not even sure the unappreciated sacrifices that these people make will have the impact needed to keep US on top.

Dohdough FWIW I usually enjoy reading your posts, and you've actually changed my mind a little on some topics. I give you alot of credit for remaining optimistic about the future.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
[quote name='UncleBob']And thus, we sum up dohdough's argument for those whom he disagrees with. You're either with him, or you're performing sexual acts with someone's penis.[/quote]
This is funny because you completely ignored the point I made at the end and chopped up my post, hense the reason why I will now call you a dishonest sack of cowpies.


Yeah, because the only two options we could possibly ever have is either an overly-corrupt, overly-powerful government or a land ruled by corporations. It has to be one or the other. Anything else is sheer lunacy.
Click to expand...
You're the only one making that stupid argument here.
 
[quote name='dohdough']This is funny because you completely ignored the point I made at the end and chopped up my post, hense the reason why I will now call you a dishonest sack of cowpies.[/quote]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I was required to respond to every single piece of your rantings.

You're the only one making that stupid argument here.
Click to expand...

Not at all. I'm merely pointing out that various government entities had/have a role in these events, where the previous posts seem to put all the blame on evil corporations. When I pointed this out, you jumped in with your "We should just get [government] out of the way and have the corporations take over!" line of "cowpie".
 
I didn't read anything in the OP that wasn't happening in the Salvation Army warehouse when I worked there, and people THROW money at the Salvation Army.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Anyone else ever notice knoell has an unhealthy obsession with crack?[/QUOTE]

Yea, we just don't talk about it.
 
5 or 10 years ago when a job was easy to find people would side with the wokers BUT today its

If you want to cry about it Quit i will be more then happy to take the job
 
As a third-party seller on Amazon, I was considering switching over to FBA (Fulfilled By Amazon), but after this, I've decided against it. I'll just continue to pack and ship my own merchandise out of my office.

I've done the mandatory OT, hot-as-hell and unrealistic production goals warehouse grind, so I can sympathize with these people.

In fact, that was my last job before deciding to work for myself. I still talk to a lot of people there and it seems that it's only getting worse.
 
[quote name='dohdough']

A government can only be as corrupt as the outside forces that seek to corrupt it.[/QUOTE]

This is an entertaining thought. Pretty much government officials cannot be corrupt as the only reason they are corrupt is because outside forces have corrupted them? lolz
 
Well without outside forces corrupting someone that would mean they were corrupt from birth, would it not?
 
[quote name='Clak']Well without outside forces corrupting someone that would mean they were corrupt from birth, would it not?[/QUOTE]

Knoell is technically correct, corrupt means to act dishonestly in exchange for money or personal gain.

However in common usage corruption is more often used to describe an official that was in some way bribed or blackmailed.

Needless to say I think most of the cons on this board are operating from a flawed assumption. The evidence points to the fact that there are way more politicians selling out to the highest bidder instead of the alleged socialist/fascist power-hungry constitution haters that they speculate are out there.
 
[quote name='camoor']People who come here to DC are often surprised that many govt workers here care about America ALOT. As in overtime, sacrifice time with family, get stressed to the max. That's something that I think gets lost in all the rhetoric, and to me it's sad. Even sadder because I'm not even sure the unappreciated sacrifices that these people make will have the impact needed to keep US on top.[/QUOTE]

The giant gap between government and politics seems to have vanished over the years in the minds of your average cretin, I mean citizen. That leads to a lot of your woe mentioned.
 
[quote name='camoor']Knoell is technically correct, corrupt means to act dishonestly in exchange for money or personal gain.

However in common usage corruption is more often used to describe an official that was in some way bribed or blackmailed.

Needless to say I think most of the cons on this board are operating from a flawed assumption. The evidence points to the fact that there are way more politicians selling out to the highest bidder instead of the alleged socialist/fascist power-hungry constitution haters that they speculate are out there.[/QUOTE]
But that's learned behavior, no one is corrupt from the moment they're born. Not saying they can't be corrupt, but something made them that way. If we didn't have the businesses that cons love bribing every politician they can find then corruption wouldn't be an issue because there would be no incentive.
 
If we didn't have a political environment that virtually requires a business to be in bed with the government in order to succeed, perhaps we'd have less corruption in our government as well.

And, camoor, there's not that big of a difference between a political system where the government owns business vs a system where business owns the government. When the two are one, the end result is still the same.
 
[quote name='Clak']Keep sucking that Walton cock, bob.[/QUOTE]

I really don't understand why so many individuals here who profess to be open-minded individuals have this obsession with using homosexual activities as insults. If the idea of individuals engaging in homosexual activities is something you find insult-worthy... well, whatever floats your boat.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I was required to respond to every single piece of your rantings.[/QUOTE]
No. Your intention is to focus on the fluff because you can't handle actual content. If you focused on both or just actual content, I'd give you credit. Since you don't, you get none, so don't try to act like you do.

Not at all. I'm merely pointing out that various government entities had/have a role in these events, where the previous posts seem to put all the blame on evil corporations. When I pointed this out, you jumped in with your "We should just get [government] out of the way and have the corporations take over!" line of "cowpie".
Click to expand...
"Merely pointing it out" implies that you would include more context than just bolding GOVERNMENT!!!111!1.

[quote name='Knoell']This is an entertaining thought. Pretty much government officials cannot be corrupt as the only reason they are corrupt is because outside forces have corrupted them? lolz[/QUOTE]
The government's goal is to provide public services and a private corporation's goal is to make money. Being corruptible is a non-issue as everyone is capable of being corrupt. For example, just take a look at your inability to argue with a modicum integrity in an intellectually honest manner. That's why you're a brainless idealogue. The fact that you are is important, but seeking to answer why you are is even more important. Finding out who or what is doing the corrupting is what matters.

If the government has been giving disproportionate power to the corporations and not the public good, are you somehow suggesting that the citizenry are the ones that are influencing the government to give corporations that power? Gimme a break.
 
[quote name='nasum']The giant gap between government and politics seems to have vanished over the years in the minds of your average cretin, I mean citizen. That leads to a lot of your woe mentioned.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. We don't have duels in front of the White House anymore or blatant hood wearing racist candidates calling opponents n****r lovers while being repeated in every newspaper as a valid issue. Or at least, these things are done in a slightly more civil tone.

Obama didn't exactly bust some caps in Wilson's ass after that outburst.

[quote name='UncleBob']If we didn't have a political environment that virtually requires a business to be in bed with the government in order to succeed, perhaps we'd have less corruption in our government as well.

And, camoor, there's not that big of a difference between a political system where the government owns business vs a system where business owns the government. When the two are one, the end result is still the same.[/QUOTE]
fuck me. You need to take an intro sociology class.
 
[quote name='dohdough']No. Your intention is to focus on the fluff because you can't handle actual content. If you focused on both or just actual content, I'd give you credit. Since you don't, you get none, so don't try to act like you do.[/quote]

If I only focused on actual content, you'd be on ignore.

"Merely pointing it out" implies that you would include more context than just bolding GOVERNMENT!!!111!1.
Click to expand...

Again, no one bothered to mention the governments that were involved (or continue to be involved - can't wait for my Amazon order to arrive - two books and a movie) in the Centrailia fire. No one bothered to point out the governments that are involved with harvesting of blood diamonds. It's all "evil corporations are evil!" Sorry if pointing out the involvement of other parties is, in your opinion, "lacking context". I like how when I discussed how the government started the fire by burning trash *and* by failing to provide adequate (and legally required) fire barriers, well.. that's lacking context in your opinion. Next time, I'll get some hand puppets and reenact the events that lead up to the fire with them so you can have more context.

The government's goal is to provide public services and a private corporation's goal is to make money. Being corruptible is a non-issue as everyone is capable of being corrupt.
Click to expand...

This I can (mostly) agree with - but this is where we get to the meat of the issue. You and I don't really have the power to change a private corporation (without buying into it or such) when said corporation goes on a path we disagree with. You and I *should* have the power to change the government when it goes on a path we disagree with.

The private company has a goal to make money. The government's goal *should* be to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So, when a private company does things to make money or increase its power - no one should be completely shocked. But when the government tries to make money or increase power (typically in the favor of one citizen or group of citizens), that's when you should be shocked, offended and outraged. However, when this happens, instead of attacking the government (which has done something offensive outside of their role), you attack the private business (which has done exactly what you understand them to do).

It's like if a grown adult leaves a bunch of candy out in a room filed with small children. You know those children are going to eat the candy. Sure, you can punish them - but the majority of your outrage should be directed at the adult who allowed it to happen.

If the government has been giving disproportionate power to the corporations and not the public good, are you somehow suggesting that the citizenry are the ones that are influencing the government to give corporations that power?
Click to expand...

The citizenry is the one who constantly votes these same fools in again and again.
 
Just out of curiosity bob, how would your employer have failed if they weren't bribing politicians?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If I only focused on actual content, you'd be on ignore.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't mean what you think it means.

Again, no one bothered to mention the governments that were involved (or continue to be involved - can't wait for my Amazon order to arrive - two books and a movie) in the Centrailia fire. No one bothered to point out the governments that are involved with harvesting of blood diamonds. It's all "evil corporations are evil!" Sorry if pointing out the involvement of other parties is, in your opinion, "lacking context". I like how when I discussed how the government started the fire by burning trash *and* by failing to provide adequate (and legally required) fire barriers, well.. that's lacking context in your opinion. Next time, I'll get some hand puppets and reenact the events that lead up to the fire with them so you can have more context.
Click to expand...
It's almost as if I had already said that things don't happen in a vacuum...I wonder when that was...

This I can (mostly) agree with - but this is where we get to the meat of the issue. You and I don't really have the power to change a private corporation (without buying into it or such) when said corporation goes on a path we disagree with. You and I *should* have the power to change the government when it goes on a path we disagree with.
Click to expand...
So that would mean that you agree that the Citizen's United ruling for unlimited campaign contributions is wrong?

You're literally arguing that a group of average citizens have the economic and political might to somehow match large multinational conglomerates.

The private company has a goal to make money. The government's goal *should* be to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So, when a private company does things to make money or increase its power - no one should be completely shocked. But when the government tries to make money or increase power (typically in the favor of one citizen or group of citizens), that's when you should be shocked, offended and outraged. However, when this happens, instead of attacking the government (which has done something offensive outside of their role), you attack the private business (which has done exactly what you understand them to do).
Click to expand...
This is just more muddy bullshit. Hey I have a crazy idea. Let's get mad at both. And in case you haven't been paying attention, you and your ilk are the ones allowing corporations to run amok in the government. You think that states rights will somehow make it better? WRONG. States are more easy to manupulate than the federal government.

It's like if a grown adult leaves a bunch of candy out in a room filed with small children. You know those children are going to eat the candy. Sure, you can punish them - but the majority of your outrage should be directed at the adult who allowed it to happen.
Click to expand...
Stop making analogies. You completely suck at it.

The citizenry is the one who constantly votes these same fools in again and again.
Click to expand...
SO WHAT AND WHO INFLUENCES THE CITIZENRY TO VOTE FOR THOSE FOOLS.

And for the love of cthulhu, if you ignore every word of this post, at least learn what a coporatocracy is.
 
[quote name='opterasis']I didn't read anything in the OP that wasn't happening in the Salvation Army warehouse when I worked there, and people THROW money at the Salvation Army.[/QUOTE]
I didn't read anything about the salvation army either, you know what for the benefit of all on this board how about you make a thread/post about your conditions? It seems relevant and would be better than your quick comment.
 
[quote name='dohdough']This doesn't mean what you think it means.[/quote]

I can assure you, I know exactly what it means and pretty much meant it down to the letter.

It's almost as if I had already said that things don't happen in a vacuum...I wonder when that was...
Click to expand...

Was it when everyone was complaining about the evil corporations and no one mentioned government involvement? Wait, no... I don't think you make any comments about how the evil corporations don't operate in a vacuum...

So that would mean that you agree that the Citizen's United ruling for unlimited campaign contributions is wrong?
Click to expand...

Yes... and no. I believe any individual should be allowed to donate whatever amount of money to a candidate that they wish. However, I believe that money should be directly tied to an individual's name, should be easily available (perhaps through a public-accessible website) and should be subject to the same tax rules as any monetary donation.

You're literally arguing that a group of average citizens have the economic and political might to somehow match large multinational conglomerates.
Click to expand...

I'm arguing that we should expect those who we elect to not cave into individuals based on how much power they have or how much money they donated. You may or may not be okay with this, but I'm not.

This is just more muddy bullshit. Hey I have a crazy idea. Let's get mad at both.
Click to expand...
Sure. So, from now on, when you go off ranting about how evil corporation did evil, I assume that you'll also mention how the government was involved (when applicable). Or, at least, when someone else mentions it, you'll acknowledge it in some way other than trying to slam them with homophobic insults.

And in case you haven't been paying attention, you and your ilk are the ones allowing corporations to run amok in the government. You think that states rights will somehow make it better? WRONG. States are more easy to manupulate than the federal government.
Click to expand...

In a "perfect" work, if the individual state abuses the inherent rights of the citizens, then the citizens should be able to appeal to the Federal Government for redress/protection.

Stop making analogies. You completely suck at it.
Click to expand...
In your opinion. I don't really have anything to say to this, but, apparently, it's some horrible, insulting faux-pas to not respond to every single word you type.

SO WHAT AND WHO INFLUENCES THE CITIZENRY TO VOTE FOR THOSE FOOLS.
Click to expand...
Maybe you should start making and handing out tin-foil hats so the citizenry can block those evil mind-control rays that these evil corporations are apparently using to bend the will of the people over to their every demand.

And for the love of cthulhu, if you ignore every word of this post, at least learn what a coporatocracy is.
Click to expand...
Is that anything like a corporatocracy?
 
[quote name='Clak']Just out of curiosity bob, how would your employer have failed if they weren't bribing politicians?[/QUOTE]
Reply, bob. How are things set up so badly that were it not for bribing the right people, Wal-Mart would have failed?

See, that's the lie you and the rest of the cons like to perpetuate, that it's just so hard for businesses in the U.S. When truthfully, businesses have it better here than in many other parts of the developed world. For whatever reason though, maybe it's because you think you'll have a business some day, you take up for business as if it's some poor picked on little child. You seem more concerned for business than individuals in this country, and it sickens me. I don't care if they're individuals in the eyes of the law or not, real, actual people come first. But no, folks like you would have us de-regulate, destroy agencies like the EPA, and just generally give business run of the country. Because somehow the invisible hand of the motherfucking free market fairy will solve all our problems with no action by anyone.
 
[quote name='Clak']Reply, bob.[/QUOTE]

A.) I'm not your monkey, required to dance at your command.
B.) After your previous post directed towards me, I can't say I'm to encouraged to bother with attempting a conversation with you.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I'm arguing that we should expect those who we elect to not cave into individuals based on how much power they have or how much money they donated.[/QUOTE]

That's your solution? Allow corporations to give them lots of money and hope politicians will do the right thing? Just hope the people will hold them accountable? How's that working out for you?
 
[quote name='camoor']That's your solution? Allow corporations to give them lots of money and hope politicians will do the right thing? Just hope the people will hold them accountable? How's that working out for you?[/QUOTE]

Not so good, because your people keep getting voted into office.
 
We had 8 years of conservative rule, what fucking good did that do? Oh but yeah I know, you're not a conservative. It's like saying water isn't wet.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']A.) I'm not your monkey, required to dance at your command.
B.) After your previous post directed towards me, I can't say I'm to encouraged to bother with attempting a conversation with you.[/QUOTE]
If you don't want to answer challenges put before you I'd suggest not posting your opinions at all. Or you can just keep running to shrike every time someone calls you a mean name, princess.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I can assure you, I know exactly what it means and pretty much meant it down to the letter.[/quote]
Haha...yeah...YOU would.

Was it when everyone was complaining about the evil corporations and no one mentioned government involvement? Wait, no... I don't think you make any comments about how the evil corporations don't operate in a vacuum...
Click to expand...
One person harming another while a third person watches is still not as bad as the person actually doing the harming.

Yes... and no. I believe any individual should be allowed to donate whatever amount of money to a candidate that they wish. However, I believe that money should be directly tied to an individual's name, should be easily available (perhaps through a public-accessible website) and should be subject to the same tax rules as any monetary donation.
Click to expand...
Is a corporation a person?

I'm arguing that we should expect those who we elect to not cave into individuals based on how much power they have or how much money they donated. You may or may not be okay with this, but I'm not.
Click to expand...
\
An organization that seeks to improve the general welfare through social services is NOT EQUAL to one that seeks to undermine it.

Sure. So, from now on, when you go off ranting about how evil corporation did evil, I assume that you'll also mention how the government was involved (when applicable). Or, at least, when someone else mentions it, you'll acknowledge it in some way other than trying to slam them with homophobic insults.
Click to expand...
LOLZ...yeah, you're a hero of marginalized groups. As for the ranting, I'll get to that later...

In a "perfect" work, if the individual state abuses the inherent rights of the citizens, then the citizens should be able to appeal to the Federal Government for redress/protection.
Click to expand...
OH LOOK! YOU MADE A TYPO! :roll:

In your opinion. I don't really have anything to say to this, but, apparently, it's some horrible, insulting faux-pas to not respond to every single word you type.
Click to expand...
IF you engaged the content instead of the fluff, I wouldn't have a problem, but since you insist that you're mister smarty pants and above the fray, I intend to beat you like a dog whenever you talk yourself into a circle.

Maybe you should start making and handing out tin-foil hats so the citizenry can block those evil mind-control rays that these evil corporations are apparently using to bend the will of the people over to their every demand.
Click to expand...
You're absolutely right. Sociology and Psychology are disproven. You are now king of Science.

Is that anything like a corporatocracy?
Click to expand...
Oh wow...I made a typo. MY ARGUMENT IS COMPLETELY DESTROYED!!!111!1

And obviously you still have no idea what a corporatocracy is.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Not so good, because your people keep getting voted into office.[/QUOTE]

Do you agree that corruption is a rampant problem in modern American government?
 
[quote name='Clak']We had 8 years of conservative rule, what fucking good did that do? Oh but yeah I know, you're not a conservative. It's like saying water isn't wet.[/QUOTE]

well, water can be vaporous or solid depending on what is being done to it...
 
[quote name='Clak']We had 8 years of conservative rule, what fucking good did that do? Oh but yeah I know, you're not a conservative. It's like saying water isn't wet.[/QUOTE]

If Bush & Co. are your idea of a conservative, then I'm 100% with you in disliking what you consider the conservative party. However, they're pretty far from my idea of conservatives.

[quote name='Clak']If you don't want to answer challenges put before you I'd suggest not posting your opinions at all. Or you can just keep running to shrike every time someone calls you a mean name, princess.[/QUOTE]

You could try not posting homophobic remarks too.

[quote name='dohdough']One person harming another while a third person watches is still not as bad as the person actually doing the harming.[/quote]

Depends on the situation.

Is a corporation a person?
Click to expand...

IMHO, no. But here's an idea - there are people who operate the corporation.

An organization that seeks to improve the general welfare through social services is NOT EQUAL to one that seeks to undermine it.
Click to expand...

Again, I can't say I 100% agree with your idea of the role of the Federal Government, but, for the sake of argument, let's say we agree on that. You have one group that you believe should be there to improve the general welfare and one group that you believe is there to undermine it. Which one of these groups should you be setting higher standards and expectations for?

LOLZ...yeah, you're a hero of marginalized groups.
Click to expand...
So that's a "Yes, I'll be sure to cover both sides of the issue"?

IF you engaged the content instead of the fluff, I wouldn't have a problem, but since you insist that you're mister smarty pants and above the fray, I intend to beat you like a dog whenever you talk yourself into a circle.
Click to expand...

Never claimed to be smarter than you or better than you. If that's how you perceive me, I can't help it.

You're absolutely right. Sociology and Psychology are disproven. You are now king of Science.
Click to expand...

I'm left wondering - with all these evil companies using their evil mind control to trick everyone into voting their guys into office, how do you manage to avoid it?

Oh wow...I made a typo. MY ARGUMENT IS COMPLETELY DESTROYED!!!111!1

And obviously you still have no idea what a corporatocracy is.
Click to expand...

Face it, I could state that I know what a corporatocracy is. I could go into detail about it. You wouldn't believe me, you'd rant about how I don't understand it and probably make some crack about Google or male genitalia.

[quote name='camoor']Do you agree that corruption is a rampant problem in modern American government?[/QUOTE]

Of course. Don't you?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Of course. Don't you?[/QUOTE]

Well that's what I don't understand.

1) You think that corporations should be allowed to give politicians any amount of money they wish
2) You believe that corruption is rampant within the American political system

How do you think we are going to fix 2) without doing something about 1)?
 
[quote name='camoor']Well that's what I don't understand.

1) You think that corporations should be allowed to give politicians any amount of money they wish
2) You believe that corruption is rampant within the American political system

How do you think we are going to fix 2) without doing something about 1)?[/QUOTE]

Because donating money doesn't equal corruption. It *can* be a sign of corruption, but every company that donates to a candidate doesn't point to that candidate being corrupt for that company.

The problem isn't how individuals choose to spend their money. The problem is politicians abusing their power.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Because donating money doesn't equal corruption. It *can* be a sign of corruption, but every company that donates to a candidate doesn't point to that candidate being corrupt for that company.

The problem isn't how individuals choose to spend their money. The problem is politicians abusing their power.[/QUOTE]

I understand the principle that you are basing your arguement on.

I am asking a more complex question, namely if we shouldn't limit corporate payouts to politicians then how do you propose the problem of corruption of American politicians be fixed?
 
[quote name='camoor']I understand the principle that you are basing your arguement on.

I am asking a more complex question, namely if we shouldn't limit corporate payouts to politicians then how do you propose the problem of corruption of American politicians be fixed?[/QUOTE]

Ultimately, I honestly don't believe it's a problem that can be fixed. Even if we did limit "corporate payouts", we'd still have rampant corruption... it wasn't very long ago that we did actually have a limit on how much a corporation could donate to a candidate. It didn't seem to make much of a difference.

As long as the general population keeps voting for candidates like Bush and Obama, we'll always be under the umbrella of corruption.

However, as a step in the right direction, I'd like to see term limits on political candidates, harsher punishment when blatant corruption is found (none of this "resign, then come back three years later" or "resign, then get a cushy, well paying government job" stuff). As for the issue of corporate donations - as I said earlier, I feel all donations should have an individual name tied to them, all candidates running for office should be required to disclose any amount donated to them (and by whom) and the information should be accessible via a public database.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top