America Hating liberal's idea of a 9/11 memorial

Scrubking

Scrubking

CAGiversary!
 
Yep, the 9/11 attack on the WTC is the ONLY attack on freedom and justice worth mentioning in the entire history of the world. Everyone else who's had something bad happen to them are just whiny little bitches who should shut up and get on with their lives so 9/11 can be remembered forever as the most important thing that's ever happened.
 
Actually, it sounds like a great idea. After all, the only way to prevent repeating our mistakes is to learn about them. Using the site of our most recent American tragedy as a jumping off point to remember the struggles and tragedies of past generations around the world is a very noble idea. I don't see what's unAmerican about that.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']The proposed museum, which will help to fill the gaping hole at ground zero, is being dubbed the “ultimate guilt complex” for its politically correct interpretation of the concept of freedom.

Burlingame, a director of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, drew attention to behind-the-scenes plans to host exhibitions at the complex devoted to such issues as the genocide of native Americans, the fight against slavery, the Holocaust and the Gulag, instead of the bravery and dignity of nearly 3,000 victims of the Al-Qaeda suicide squads.

Don't you just love the idiotic, ungrateful hate-America-first crowd??
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I'm not sure how a memorial featuring some representation of the holocaust and gulags is "blaming America first." Perhaps you can enlighten us to how this is the case.

While I'm at it, why are you lying to yourself? What was so fucking brave and dignified about the people who died on 9/11? Seriously. We should fight a war on terror, using them as a unifying and motivating force. But fucking christ, they had no fucking idea what was going on; since when is being in the wrong place at the wrong time "brave" or "dignified"? You can call me all the unamerican names in the book, but at least I'm not a goddamn fool using horseshit patriotic metaphors for circumstance.

fucking circumstance. Enjoy.

myke.
 
“People will be shocked. Instead of exhibits and symposiums about internationalism and global policy, we should hear the story of the courageous young firefighter whose body, cut in half, was found with his legs entwined with the body of a woman,” said Burlingame. "

WTF??

I don't know that everything presented is totally appropriate for a memorial but I find is disturbing how tightly the victims of the attacks (and others) hold on to their victimhood.

Also funny how none of the businesses, restaurants and shops that are squeezing down the memorial space are "unAmerican"
 
[quote name='Scrubking']The proposed museum, which will help to fill the gaping hole at ground zero, is being dubbed the “ultimate guilt complex” for its politically correct interpretation of the concept of freedom.

Burlingame, a director of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, drew attention to behind-the-scenes plans to host exhibitions at the complex devoted to such issues as the genocide of native Americans, the fight against slavery, the Holocaust and the Gulag, instead of the bravery and dignity of nearly 3,000 victims of the Al-Qaeda suicide squads.

Don't you just love the idiotic, ungrateful hate-America-first crowd??
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I gotta agree with Scrubking on this one. These things have nothing to do with what took place on 9/11 and are cheapening the memorial. If they wanted to make a human rights memorial go right ahead, you got my support, but this is not the place to do it.
 
I think it's the perfect place to do it. As was mentioned, use 9/11 as a staging ground for us to learn more things about these problems we have in our world. It's a better way to use that tragedy, than to exploit it for an unnecessary war against another country.

You hate liberals? Well I hate close-minded, ethnocentric conservatives.
 
I actually don't have an opinion about this, and I don't think this is a liberal vs. conservative issue.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I gotta agree with Scrubking on this one. These things have nothing to do with what took place on 9/11 and are cheapening the memorial. If they wanted to make a human rights memorial go right ahead, you got my support, but this is not the place to do it.[/QUOTE]

It really depends on how it's being viewed. Is 9/11 a unique event and simply different than anything else, or is it one more tragedy in human history and, therefore, it should take its place among the other horrors committed in modern human history.

Personally, I think the latter choice is much more beneficial to the general population, and more realistic.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I gotta agree with Scrubking on this one. These things have nothing to do with what took place on 9/11 and are cheapening the memorial. If they wanted to make a human rights memorial go right ahead, you got my support, but this is not the place to do it.[/QUOTE]

I'm in total agreement with this. That site needs to be devoted to a memorial of the victims of 9/11, nothing more, nothing less. Do those who think we should also have a museum discussing other issues believe that we should have such a museum next to the Vietnam Memorial?
 
I think I agree that the memorial should just be dedicated to that one event (the 9/11 attack).

However, I also agree with Myke - why were the victims in the towers brave and dignified? They went to work not expecting anything out of the ordinary and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tragic, but not brave. If a huge freaking meteor crashed through my roof while I was typing this and killed me, am I brave all of the sudden? Honoring soldiers who die in a war for bravery makes more sense to me.
 
[quote name='Backlash']I think I agree that the memorial should just be dedicated to that one event (the 9/11 attack).

However, I also agree with Myke - why were the victims in the towers brave and dignified? They went to work not expecting anything out of the ordinary and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tragic, but not brave. If a huge freaking meteor crashed through my roof while I was typing this and killed me, am I brave all of the sudden? Honoring soldiers who die in a war for bravery makes more sense to me.[/QUOTE]

I think the "bravery" part refers more to the firefighters and policemen who died trying to save people.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I think the "bravery" part refers more to the firefighters and policemen who died trying to save people.[/QUOTE]

and the people who took down the fourth plane
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']and the people who took down the fourth plane[/QUOTE]

I'll accept both yours and elprincipe's explanations. It's still a bit too blanketed for my tastes, but you've done a good job convincing me.

myke.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I'm in total agreement with this. That site needs to be devoted to a memorial of the victims of 9/11, nothing more, nothing less. Do those who think we should also have a museum discussing other issues believe that we should have such a museum next to the Vietnam Memorial?[/QUOTE]

I must admit, I am a bit surprised with Casey's post (usually he's more rational), but I'm never shocked to see you and SK towing the radical conservative party line.

Maybe the reason that we are having memorial displays to commemorate all victims of ethno-centric crimes is because millions of Americans don't live within walking distance of "Wounded Knee"
 
[quote name='camoor']I must admit, I am a bit surprised with Casey's post (usually he's more rational), but I'm never shocked to see you and SK towing the radical conservative party line.

Maybe the reason that we are having memorial displays to commemorate all victims of ethno-centric crimes is because millions of Americans don't live within walking distance of "Wounded Knee"[/QUOTE]

I only agreed with him because I felt the guy doing the monument was using his liberal beliefs too freely and was trying to spite the White House instead of make a monument. When you clearly are more worried about other issues than making a monument then yea I gotta agree with Scrubking (do I agree with the way he framed his response, and all the radical conservative bullshit, hell no, but I agree with the principle of his point in that the monument should not be used for other issues)
 
I must admit, I am a bit surprised with Casey's post (usually he's more rational), but I'm never shocked to see you and SK towing the radical conservative party line.
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Yes, it is radically conservative to want a 9/11 memorial to actually be about 9/11 instead of the skeletons in America's closet. :roll:
 
Scrub, only one of the things mentioned was our fault, nazi's, gulags etc. had nothing to do with us. You seem to think no matter what liberals do they're attacking the u.s., even if they're attacking nazi's and stalin.

Though there's nothing wrong with using a place where one tragedy occured to not only be a memorial for that tragedy, but a memorial for many other tragic events in history.
 
What many people keep forgetting that this isn't supposed to be a celebration of the 9/11 attacks but rather a memorial to those who died.
 
There needs to be a new rule that anyone who accuses the opposition of hating or blaming America first automatically loses the argument. It's hard to take anything they say serious after that. Terrorists hate America - Republicans and Democrats don't.

And it's funny how "blame-America-first" has become shorthand for liberals when it was actually two radically right wing nutjobs who first blamed America for 9/11 - Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Conservatives are always complaining that no one takes any personal responsibility anymore, but when someone questions why terrorists hate us, that person is blaming America instead of trying to understand the situation.
 
Good point, MBE. One other thing I thought of, was that the memorial could even honor the Americans killed because of the Palestinian terrorists. And the U.S.S. Cole victims, which were killed because of Osama. And how about the children killed in the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing?

But again, I would be happy with any decision.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']And it's funny how "blame-America-first" has become shorthand for liberals when it was actually two radically right wing nutjobs who first blamed America for 9/11 - Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Conservatives are always complaining that no one takes any personal responsibility anymore, but when someone questions why terrorists hate us, that person is blaming America instead of trying to understand the situation.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Fred Phelps and his ilk!

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That's enough image linking; you don't really need to see this group's pastor, do you?

myke.
...still waiting patiently for scrub to explain how including the holocaust and gulags will continue to "blame America first." Any fucking day now.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I actually don't have an opinion about this, and I don't think this is a liberal vs. conservative issue.[/QUOTE]

I would agree its a stupidity issue.

I work directly across from the WTC and walk past the pit every day.

The "cultural museum" they want to put in is a farce and has nothing to do with the WTC. You want to remember certain events in history - fine, just not here.

They need to rebuild the WTC site and rebuild it now, these last 4 years have been a total waste.

CTL
 
I actually agree with CTL, anything less than rebuilding the WTC office buildings would be like an admission of defeat.

Rebuilding would show the terrorists that they did not permanantly damage us, and that America will not give in to terrorist attacks.

Think if the terrorist saw us put in the place of the WTC a memorial to cry on and stew over the 9/11 attacks forever. That would be a victory for them, and they would see that their attacks hurt us deeply.


Never let them see you bleed.
 
Rebuilding the towers is not even one of the considerations, is it? I have been under the impression that everything is decidedly memorialesque, and lacks any functionality.

myke.
...I kinda like the idea of rebuilding the towers...but would *you* wanna work there?
 
I would have liked to have seen the towers rebuilt even taller as a nice fuck you to the terrorists, but then again it would be like painting a big target on them.
 
They need to put a 4-faced Aegis radar on each side of the buildings next time. The radars are in comparison to the building, small, and linking that with some missile launchers on the roof seems a safe way to guard the towers.

Plus, my company would make some more money from selling Aegis radar systems. :)
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']and the people who took down the fourth plane[/QUOTE]

Actually, the passangers didn't take down the 4th plane. The hijackers crashed the plane before the passangers could get into the cockpit.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Rebuilding the towers is not even one of the considerations, is it? I have been under the impression that everything is decidedly memorialesque, and lacks any functionality.

myke.
...I kinda like the idea of rebuilding the towers...but would *you* wanna work there?[/QUOTE]

That imbecile Trump, IIRC suggested it.

I am ok with a memorial, but frankly the unending celebration of defeat in this country is sickening.

[quote name='ZarathosNY']Actually, the passangers didn't take down the 4th plane. The hijackers crashed the plane before the passangers could get into the cockpit.[/quote]

Well fuck the passengers then, hurrab for the terrorists!

Dumb ass.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']That imbecile Trump, IIRC suggested it.

I am ok with a memorial, but frankly the unending celebration of defeat in this country is sickening.



Well fuck the passengers then, hurrab for the terrorists!

Dumb ass.[/QUOTE]

Who said hurray for the terrorists? They were afraid of the passangers getting in so they crashed the plane. Try reading the 9/11 report dumbass, because that's what it says.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']Who said hurray for the terrorists? They were afraid of the passangers getting in so they crashed the plane. Try reading the 9/11 report dumbass, because that's what it says.[/QUOTE]

Oh big differnce in content and tone between this response and your original smug ass "no, the terrorists did it!"
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Oh big differnce in content and tone between this response and your original smug ass "no, the terrorists did it!"[/QUOTE]

Ha! From CTL's post, he's starting to remind me of crazy ol' Zel Miller. Neither of which made any sense.
 
Im pretty sure there are already Holocaust and Native American Indian museums/memorials located very close to the WTC.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't forget Fred Phelps and his ilk!

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That's enough image linking; you don't really need to see this group's pastor, do you?

myke.
...still waiting patiently for scrub to explain how including the holocaust and gulags will continue to "blame America first." Any fucking day now.[/QUOTE]

I saw that guy give a speech in the "free speech zone" outside the DNC. He's even nuttier than I thought (that 9/11 one was the one that really suprised me when I saw him).

Though I think rebuilding the WTC centers would be putting peoples lives at risk just to prove a point. It's been attacked by bin laden before, if he has the capabilities still then that could be a prime target by him, or any other international terrorist organization capable of hitting us.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Oh big differnce in content and tone between this response and your original smug ass "no, the terrorists did it!"[/QUOTE]

My original post wasn't smug. It was pointing out the fact that the terrorists crashed the plane, not the passangers.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']My original post wasn't smug. It was pointing out the fact that the terrorists crashed the plane, not the passangers.[/QUOTE]

If you had written your first post as you did your second one I never would have commented.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']If you had written your first post as you did your second one I never would have commented.[/QUOTE]

His posts are about identical. I saw no smugness, only fact.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']His posts are about identical. I saw no smugness, only fact.[/QUOTE]

Fact which masquaraded, haha you are wrong, it was the terrorists who brought down the plane!

Did anyone else feel the need to point that out?

Look thats my opinion and thats how I read it.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Fact which masquaraded, haha you are wrong, it was the terrorists who brought down the plane!

Did anyone else feel the need to point that out?

Look thats my opinion and thats how I read it.[/QUOTE]

Well, then learn how to read, because that's not how it was meant.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']Well, then learn how to read, because that's not how it was meant.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe you should learn how to write and we will call it even.

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Well maybe you should learn how to write and we will call it even.

CTL[/QUOTE]

You're the only one here who misread it, so I'm thinking your reading comprehension is the problem, not his writing skills. :lol:
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']Well, then learn how to read, because that's not how it was meant.[/QUOTE]

C'mon now, bellhops don't have time for things like *reading*

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']C'mon now, bellhops don't have time for things like *reading*

myke.[/QUOTE]

How many credits to your undergrad degree?

CTL
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I would have liked to have seen the towers rebuilt even taller as a nice fuck you to the terrorists, but then again it would be like painting a big target on them.[/QUOTE]

As I have advocated before, I think they should build them again, but 1 story higher. Then they should make the top floor a memorial to those who died in the attacks.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']As I have advocated before, I think they should build them again, but 1 story higher. Then they should make the top floor a memorial to those who died in the attacks.[/QUOTE]

Good idea.
 
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