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They keep showing the trouble you guys are having with your economy in the USA. I don't know much about what's happening, but what are your previsions for the future?

Will the video games in Canada FINALLY cost the same price? Will you invade Canada and Mexico? Will you nuke everyone?

Tell me what you think will happen with the world economy in the next years. Should I prepare my nucleo-bio-zombio-chemical survival kit or book cheap airline tickets to florida?
 
[quote name='N1c0_ds']They keep showing the trouble you guys are having with your economy in the USA. I don't know much about what's happening, but what are your previsions for the future?

Will the video games in Canada FINALLY cost the same price? Will you invade Canada and Mexico? Will you nuke everyone?

Tell me what you think will happen with the world economy in the next years. Should I prepare my nucleo-bio-zombio-chemical survival kit or book cheap airline tickets to florida?[/QUOTE]



It all depends on who our president is for the next 4 years. If it is the wrong person then yeah we're probably fucked. We need someone who can restore this country to it's former glory, and I feel that is Obama. Right now we are in an unpopular war, a recession, and as a country are terribly in debt. We need to restore our standing in this world, because right now alot of countries hate us. If we were to go to war with Iran, then that could cause WW3. We need a president who won't start unnecessary wars, who will combat terrorism and who will bring jobs back to this country. Also, we need a president who can get rid of our dependence on oil, because there isn't enough of it. This won't be easy, but it needs to be done. If we can't solve these problems then the consequences will be dire.
 
Obama isn't going to do s--t. There were a few candidates who constitute actual change for this country but they were QUICKLY dismissed (hmm, wonder why?) with only Ron Paul getting numbers that even registered. Obama, Clinton, McCain? Same ol Same ol. If you expect anything to change with those 3 you are in for a shock.

Edit: Im playing Galleon for the XBOX. Im sick of him climbing on top of tables and s--t but it's a fun game now that I am playing it for a second time about after a 4 yr break.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Obama isn't going to do s--t. There were a few candidates who constitute actual change for this country but they were QUICKLY dismissed (hmm, wonder why?) with only Ron Paul getting numbers that even registered. Obama, Clinton, McCain? Same ol Same ol. If you expect anything to change with those 3 you are in for a shock.[/QUOTE]



Yeah, Ron Paul. The reason why people didn't vote for him is because he's crazy. The change he wants is ridiculous. He wants to pull out of N.A.T.O. the U.N. and get rid of most of the government. How will that help anything?
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Yeah, Ron Paul. The reason why people didn't vote for him is because he's crazy. The change he wants is ridiculous. He wants to pull out of N.A.T.O. the U.N. and get rid of most of the government. How will that help anything?[/quote]

No, the change he wants is sensible. Our government is spending 42 million sending out letters to let people know that they are being given a tax rebate. What is going on in this country is absolutely insane and electing democrats or a different republican isn't going to change anything. Getting rid of most of the FEDERAL government is what will help this country the most.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I'm sure the Liberals will be elected, and will save America, like they always do.[/QUOTE]
Anyone is better than Bush.
[quote name='schuerm26']No, the change he wants is sensible. Our government is spending 42 million sending out letters to let people know that they are being given a tax rebate. What is going on in this country is absolutely insane and electing democrats or a different republican isn't going to change anything. Getting rid of most of the FEDERAL government is what will help this country the most.[/QUOTE]

Okay, so he wants all of us to be able to run around with Assault Rifles and if you're poor go fuck yourself.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Anyone is better than Bush.


Okay, so he wants all of us to be able to run around with Assault Rifles and if you're poor go fuck yourself.[/quote]

Yep, that's EXACTLY what he wants. I think it boils down to him wanting us well off people to have assault rifles so when the poor people come asking for food, we can shoot them. Jesus, go to his website.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']

Okay, so he wants all of us to be able to run around with Assault Rifles and if you're poor go fuck yourself.[/quote]Typical over exaggeration of the 2nd Amendment. Only trustworthy, law abiding citizens would be allowed to own those weapons.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Typical over exaggeration of the 2nd Amendment. Only trustworthy, law abiding citizens would be allowed to own those weapons.[/QUOTE]

Just like it is now.
 
[quote name='N1c0_ds']They keep showing the trouble you guys are having with your economy in the USA. I don't know much about what's happening, but what are your previsions for the future?

Will the video games in Canada FINALLY cost the same price? Will you invade Canada and Mexico? Will you nuke everyone?

Tell me what you think will happen with the world economy in the next years. Should I prepare my nucleo-bio-zombio-chemical survival kit or book cheap airline tickets to florida?[/quote]


Yes, our economy is in the shitter, so we'll.....nuke everyone? Wtf?
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Yep, that's EXACTLY what he wants. I think it boils down to him wanting us well off people to have assault rifles so when the poor people come asking for food, we can shoot them. Jesus, go to his website.[/QUOTE]



Okay, I looked at his positions on CNN. He wants leave NAFTA, NATO and the UN, but open up free trade to Cuba? So, now we like Cuba more than Canada? Also, he opposes a North American union, because he doesn't want to have anything to do with Mexicans. Also, he wants to open EVERYTHING up to the private market. He wants to let the free market decide whether or not to use stem cell research, among other things. To me that just doesn't seem safe. Then, he wants to be able to do surgical strikes against Bin Laden whenever he wants. Finally, he wants to abolish most of the federal government, and put the states in charge of everything. This would make so that each state was almost a different country.
 
A little bit of a rough spot. The housing market will be a mess for a bit and will come out of it.

People who are acting as if this is 1929 all over again have got their tin-foil hats on a wee-bit too tight.

Likewise, whoever is president will be able to take credit for fixing everything, when it will have had next to nothing to do with that one man.
 
Optimistic or naive? Nobody is acting like this is the Great Depression pt. II, but you'd be foolish to say this is nothing more than a "rough spot."
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']Optimistic or naive? Nobody is acting like this is the Great Depression pt. II, but you'd be foolish to say this is nothing more than a "rough spot."[/quote]

I expect something bad, but not "depression" kind of bad. We'll probably feel it here too, even if our economy is flourishing, we depend a lot on you.

[quote name='Temporaryscars']Yes, our economy is in the shitter, so we'll.....nuke everyone? Wtf?[/quote]
Didn't you spot an ounce of sarcasm? Unless Ron Paul gets elected, I doubt so. Seriously, this man is crazy. Isolationist America was back in WW2 BTW.
 
It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. If we get involved in foreign affairs, the world bitches at us. When we don't, the world still bitches at us.
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. If we get involved in foreign affairs, the world bitches at us. When we don't, the world still bitches at us.[/quote]

Well maybe if you didn't lead full scale wars for every possible reason it'd be great. Vietnam wasn't your war, Korea neither, and Iraq is about to be another of your shameful defeats.

If only everyone could retreat slowly from the middle east it'd be great. You're not alone there, you just grab more attention than everyone. See the "throwing puppy off a cliff" thread and you'll get my point.


Oh... and I know not all US soldiers throw puppies off cliffs, just a shining example of why we hate you all around the world.
 
World War I and II wasn't our war either. Should we have stayed out of that? By the way, which country was first into Vietnam? Because it wasn't us....
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']World War I and II wasn't our war either. Should we have stayed out of that? By the way, which country was first into Vietnam? Because it wasn't us....[/quote]

You're not preventing world domination. As for Korea, it was strictly anti-communism. Vietnam? It was bad, the french sucked too, but we can't really blame french people for a military defeat... right?

Anyway what I say is that Iraq/Afghanistan is not anyone's war. It cost hundred billion dollars and human lives and we still didn't see a major change since the fall of Saddam. It was something useful in the beginning, but now our troops are mostly fighting civilians that want them out rather than terrorists, just the same way many American civilians would fight if their country was occupied.*

Again I know many things are hidden from us so it might even be worse than what the media tells us.


*I know, the french military rocks nowadays and they got the nukes, but hey, you lost Canada in 23 minutes, I'll hate you forever!
**I took this example out of somewhere, it might have been on CAG, sorry anonymous, here's your credit!
 
The economy is the number one issue for me. Which is why I was interested in Romney, he was the only candidate with experience in large-scale financial turn around.

I don't have any real facts to back this up, but I have a very bad feeling about where the economy is headed. I think it's going to be worse than anyone is expecting.
 
its going to take real work to fix the shitter, not just rebates which wont do shit, tax cuts for businesses arent the answer either. Stopping wasteful spending on a war that will cost us is a good start. The resources that we waste over there could be used to create various public works projects to rebuild America's infrastructure ala FDR. Getting off of oil will make us financially secure, environmentally sound(as long as it isnt made from Corn), and we will not be paying countries that "are state sponsors of terrorism"
 
Likewise, whoever is president will be able to take credit for fixing everything, when it will have had next to nothing to do with that one man.
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I keep hearing that phrase tossed around. Funny how it seems to fluctuate from being a "4-Year Rule" to an "8-Year Rule" or a "0-Year Rule" whenever it seems convenient for the benefiting party.

In that sense, let's blame the entire war on terrorism on Clinton, give Bush Sr. all the credit regarding the economic boom in 1992-2000, and when the economy magically fixes itself and America achieves a new level of prosperity or regains stability, it'll be because we had a retard in office from 2000-2008.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I understand some changes take years to make an effect on this country, but to credit the next 4-8 years on the guy that came before sounds like a cop out to me. Some people need to realize that sometimes things begin to improve BECAUSE someone's term was over, and the next guy immediately went to work (they do spend about 1.5 years planning what they'll be doing as a part of their campaign), and that yes, the guy you voted for SUCKED.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='HotShotX']I keep hearing that phrase tossed around. Funny how it seems to fluctuate from being a "4-Year Rule" to an "8-Year Rule" or a "0-Year Rule" whenever it seems convenient for the benefiting party.

In that sense, let's blame the entire war on terrorism on Clinton, give Bush Sr. all the credit regarding the economic boom in 1992-2000, and when the economy magically fixes itself and America achieves a new level of prosperity or regains stability, it'll be because we had a retard in office from 2000-2008.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I understand some changes take years to make an effect on this country, but to credit the next 4-8 years on the guy that came before sounds like a cop out to me. Some people need to realize that sometimes things begin to improve BECAUSE someone's term was over, and the next guy immediately went to work (they do spend about 1.5 years planning what they'll be doing as a part of their campaign), and that yes, the guy you voted for SUCKED.

~HotShotX[/quote]I think you missed my point. Attributing wide-spread anything to one individual man, good or bad, past or present, is largely ignorant. Even a single person's administration is pushing it. Simply because something happened while someone was in office doesn't mean he's to blame / credit for it.
 
Nonetheless he is still the one pulling the strings, so while a said person should not be credited for the whole thing, he still did help it happen.

A series of good/bad decisions from a single important person can change many things.
 
[quote name='daroga']I think you missed my point. Attributing wide-spread anything to one individual man, good or bad, past or present, is largely ignorant. Even a single person's administration is pushing it. Simply because something happened while someone was in office doesn't mean he's to blame / credit for it.[/quote]

Agreed.
 
[quote name='daroga']I think you missed my point. Attributing wide-spread anything to one individual man, good or bad, past or present, is largely ignorant. Even a single person's administration is pushing it. Simply because something happened while someone was in office doesn't mean he's to blame / credit for it.[/quote]So then who is to blame for economic prosperity from about 92-2000? Has to be either Bush Sr. or Clinton.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']So then who is to blame for economic prosperity from about 92-2000? Has to be either Bush Sr. or Clinton.[/quote]

It was Al Gore. After all, he created the internet. :lol:

The point is it's more than one person. It was a bunch of people who saw a new frontier and seized it. People like Jeff Bezos, the founders of Google, and Yahoo. The early dot-com visionaries where responsible for it more than anything. Govenment AS A WHOLE can be given credit but not one person. The exponential growth of the internet was a huge factor in prosperity. Once it slowed, so did the economy.
 
A) Presidents get way too much credit for a good economy, and way too much blame for a bad one.
B) Why are we still talking about Ron Paul?
C) Let us worry about us.
 
The biggest problem is that the government spends too much money (both democrats and republicans). When there is a time of prosperity, they approve more future spending, under an insane assumption that the current prosperity will continue into perpetuity. Of course, often times, the economy cools off and then there is a large imbalance between money coming in and money being spent.

At that time, they either borrow money, print more money, or go back to the well (taxpayers).

Is it so hard to see that this is not a sustainable system?

What should a sensible person do when he or she gets into financial trouble? Sign up for another credit card and steal money like the government does through excessive taxation or (and I know this is a shock) spend less money?

Ron Paul's message was simple and based on common sense and personal responsibility... so of course he had no chance of getting elected ;).
 
Ron Paul would have had a better chance if he'd tempered his ideas a little more. If you want to change things, you do it a little at a time. He seemed to want to completely over haul the government in no time. He should have picked one core issue and let the others be introduced gradually.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']It all depends on who our president is for the next 4 years. If it is the wrong person then yeah we're probably fucked. We need someone who can restore this country to it's former glory, and I feel that is Obama. Right now we are in an unpopular war, a recession, and as a country are terribly in debt. We need to restore our standing in this world, because right now alot of countries hate us. If we were to go to war with Iran, then that could cause WW3. We need a president who won't start unnecessary wars, who will combat terrorism and who will bring jobs back to this country. Also, we need a president who can get rid of our dependence on oil, because there isn't enough of it. This won't be easy, but it needs to be done. If we can't solve these problems then the consequences will be dire.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you but Obama is not the answer and isn't going to change a fucking thing. Hilary and McCain wont change anything for the better either. Stop drinking the koolaid.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']I hate to break it to you but Obama is not the answer and isn't going to change a fucking thing. Hilary and McCain wont change anything for the better either. Stop drinking the koolaid.[/quote]


Who are you to tell me that Obama won't change anything? He is the only hope this country has right now.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Who are you to tell me that Obama won't change anything? He is the only hope this country has right now.[/QUOTE]

Are we going to get into that 'Vote against hope' bullshit that he's been spouting?


All his 'hope' and a couple of quarters might get you a payphone call.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Are we going to get into that 'Vote against hope' bullshit that he's been spouting?


All his 'hope' and a couple of quarters might get you a payphone call.[/quote]

No, I just don't think that people should say that candidates are always lying, and they will never do anything they say they will.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']No, I just don't think that people should say that candidates are always lying, and they will never do anything they say they will.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to judge people on future actions, especially when their past actions don't represent a very large pool to judge from.

I'd like him to actually talk about how he plans to make this change come about instead of waxing poetically about how 'we are the change we seek.' You know, before I put my vote behind Clinton.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Who are you to tell me that Obama won't change anything? He is the only hope this country has right now.[/quote]

The only hope this country has is a complete overhaul of government as it exists right now.

There are too many people with conflicts of interest in Washington. The whole back scratch culture makes it really easy for anyone with major party affiliation to be swayed into making decisions based on the almighty dollar instead of the betterment of society. It doesn't matter if you are Democrat or Republican. They are the political equivalent of the Bloods and Crips with each side doing whatever it takes to maintain control at the expense of the innocents around them. The two-party system needs to go the way of the dinosaur and people need to think freely instead towing party lines. The only problem with that is Independants will never have the power to affect such change because the current system is too deeply rooted into everyday life.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Who are you to tell me that Obama won't change anything? He is the only hope this country has right now.[/QUOTE]


Its my opinion moron. If you honestly believe a politician is going to change our country for the better of all americans, then you're about the most naive person i've ever met. When was the last time a politician brought forth legislation that really benefitted the masses and not the lobbyist, special interest, or super wealthy?

Is Obama going to bring all the industry we lost back to our country? Is Obama going to preserve the middle class? What about his lame ass plan for health care? Is Obama going to institute tariffs again on products coming into our country so we become competitive again in the world market? Is Obama going to get us off foreign oil? What exactly is his plan of "change" that he loves to tout? I'd say its more political bullshit the masses love to blindly believe in.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']Its my opinion moron. If you honestly believe a politician is going to change our country for the better of all americans, then you're about the most naive person i've ever met. When was the last time a politician brought forth legislation that really benefitted the masses and not the lobbyist, special interest, or super wealthy?

Is Obama going to bring all the industry we lost back to our country? Is Obama going to preserve the middle class? What about his lame ass plan for health care? Is Obama going to institute tariffs again on products coming into our country so we become competitive again in the world market? Is Obama going to get us off foreign oil? What exactly is his plan of "change" that he loves to tout? I'd say its more political bullshit the masses love to blindly believe in.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Guile and you. I wish we had true hope for change but the current system is so screwed up only the wealthy or those willing to cave to special interests have a chance at being elected. Obama is charismatic but he hasn't addressed the issues enough for me. That being said, I do think this election is a step forward in that I actually have some hope for minor change for once. It won't be as dramatic as it needs to be but given the system the only way any change is going to come about is very slowly with baby steps over time. I really wish McCain would've gotten the republican nomination in 2000. I had a lot more faith in him at the time then I do now.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']Its my opinion moron. If you honestly believe a politician is going to change our country for the better of all americans, then you're about the most naive person i've ever met. [/quote]
And you're the most negative person I've ever met. I believe that Obama might actually change things for once. He seems to be a regular person and not some politician that just wants to do the same old thing. He tells the truth about his life. Like I said, I feel that he is the only candidate who will actually change this country for the better.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']And you're the most negative person I've ever met. I believe that Obama might actually change things for once. He seems to be a regular person and not some politician that just wants to do the same old thing. He tells the truth about his life. Like I said, I feel that he is the only candidate who will actually change this country for the better.[/QUOTE]

That's fine to hold someone in high regard like that, but what aside from campaign rhetoric tells you that?

Obama is a great speaker. So was Reagan and Clinton. But that's about all he has in common with those two presidents. He talks this great talk, but I've not seen or heard anything that convinces me it's just that: talk.
 
What has convinced you anyone else would do a better job?;)
You can't compare Obamma to Clinton and Reagan. Obamma actually wants to help everyone the best he can. Bill Clinton came in at a good time and a lot of people are blindly voting Hillary. Hillary wasn't even good enough for Bill, what makes you think shes best for our country? And let me tell you my friends, Mccain is just as bas as Hill when compared to the greatness that is Obamma.
 
[quote name='HuppSav']What has convinced you anyone else would do a better job?;)
You can't compare Obamma to Clinton and Reagan. Obamma actually wants to help everyone the best he can. Bill Clinton came in at a good time and a lot of people are blindly voting Hillary. Hillary wasn't even good enough for Bill, what makes you think shes best for our country? And let me tell you my friends, Mccain is just as bas as Hill when compared to the greatness that is Obamma.[/QUOTE]

When you can spell his name correctly, I might take your arguement a little more seriously.

Basically, you're selling short on a stock that is all potential. It's big time for everyone if it comes through on that potential, but if it doesn't, you're worse off than you were before.
 
Back on topic...

I believe you will see a few things happen. First and foremost, you will begin to see home prices plummet even more than they already have in CERTAIN areas. Where I live, home prices have remained stable and increased in many instances. Of course this isn't the case everywhere. It wouldn't surprise me to see many more cases of people "walking away" from their homes and going back to renting. It makes it a great time to own more properties from a landlords perspective.

I believe you will see the market dip down below 10,000 before any of this mess is cleaned up. Keep this in mind however. Of the 14 companies that are still part of the DJA since Black Monday(1987), 13 of the 14 companies have risen in value 500% or more. 8 of those companies have gained 1000% or more. A simple $10,000 investment back then would be worth at least $50,000+ now. That is not a bad return for
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']That's fine to hold someone in high regard like that, but what aside from campaign rhetoric tells you that?

Obama is a great speaker. So was Reagan and Clinton. But that's about all he has in common with those two presidents. He talks this great talk, but I've not seen or heard anything that convinces me it's just that: talk.[/quote]

Kennedy was like that too. However, he turned out to be a great president. I think that if he can just achieve even half of what he has talked about, he would be a great president. I know it is a bit of a gamble, but he is the only candidate that actually wants to change this country for the better, and I agree with him on his stance on issues. I believe that he will do what he says he will, and we will have a better America.

[quote name='CocheseUGA']When you can spell his name correctly, I might take your arguement a little more seriously.

Basically, you're selling short on a stock that is all potential. It's big time for everyone if it comes through on that potential, but if it doesn't, you're worse off than you were before.[/quote]

True. The reason I support Obama, is he is the only candidate who might change this country for the better. We really need that now.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Kennedy was like that too. However, he turned out to be a great president. I think that if he can just achieve even half of what he has talked about, he would be a great president. I know it is a bit of a gamble, but he is the only candidate that actually wants to change this country for the better, and I agree with him on his stance on issues. I believe that he will do what he says he will, and we will have a better America.

True. The reason I support Obama, is he is the only candidate who might change this country for the better. We really need that now.[/QUOTE]


Answer me this, what exactly did Kennedy do?
 
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