Anime and Manga Thread Vol. 1: Visions of a God

[quote name='dropbearGSH']Watch the first OVA, I think it is called trust and betrayal or something. It is way better than the series.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I have already seen Trust and Betrayal. I watched it first since it takes place before the anime series. I enjoyed Trust and Betrayal, but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as Anime News Network leads people to believe; Trust and Betrayal is rated number one on their top ten, which in my opinion is just wrong.
 
[quote name='Chronis']More normal than Americans, at least.[/QUOTE]

Again, nope! You'll get some strange looks if you tell anybody you watch anime, especially from women. At least in America there's the luxury of many people not knowing what it is. The only anime even marginally acceptable in Japan are the ones on prime-time TV, and that's only if you're in elementary or middle school. Anime is very much a nerd's hobby.

Manga, on the other hand, is fine.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Again, nope! You'll get some strange looks if you tell anybody you watch anime, especially from women. At least in America there's the luxury of many people not knowing what it is. The only anime even marginally acceptable in Japan are the ones on prime-time TV, and that's only if you're in elementary or middle school. Anime is very much a nerd's hobby.

Manga, on the other hand, is fine.[/QUOTE]

That's strange. Manga and anime seem to be almost one and the same to me. Anime has to be more popular there, at least (if you compare the % of people in Japan who watch anime, it must be higher than the % in the US... right?). How is reading manga less nerdy/more socially acceptable than watching anime, haha? To me it seems like it would be the other way around. I'm not questioning whether what you're saying is true or not--I just don't understand why, heh.
 
[quote name='PrarieD0G']That's strange. Manga and anime seem to be almost one and the same to me. Anime has to be more popular there, at least (if you compare the % of people in Japan who watch anime, it must be higher than the % in the US... right?). How is reading manga less nerdy/more socially acceptable than watching anime, haha? To me it seems like it would be the other way around. I'm not questioning whether what you're saying is true or not--I just don't understand why, heh.[/QUOTE]

The anime subculture in Japan is probably larger, proportionately, than it is here in America, yes. It's a native product for them, after all. But for all the exposure anime has in Japan, its fans are often thought of as nerds in the same way computer nerds are stereotyped here. Actually, anime fans may have it worse, since it's often assumed that they're perverts as well. Oh, and many American anime fans don't realize this, but most of the anime not intended for the youth market in Japan airs very late at night, or on channels that are the equivalent of HBO or Showtime here. DVD prices are also obscenely expensive - at least twice as much as they are here, and they often have half the content, too. Again, it's a niche nerd hobby.

Conversely, manga is everywhere in Japan. Convenience stores and newsstands both have a decent-sized selection of manga anthology magazines (Shounen Jump, etc.) and tankobon (collected volumes - what we get here in America) to choose from. A large portion of Japanese people commute to work every day using public transportation, and manga is a great way to kill time on a train or bus. It's not unusual to see older Japanese businessmen sitting down with a book on his way to or from work. Also, anthology magazines there are designed to be recycled after reading them, since they're frigging huge and inconvenient to collect, making them a cheap and disposable form of entertainment that can be tailored to many age groups.
 
Okay, that makes more sense now KL. I didn't know it was so expensive, although I had heard that it usually aired later at night (or at least I had heard of "early" and "late" versions of shows). Thanks for that.

Yeah, the recaps in Bleach are annoying. It made it look like they were going to start up a new filler arc at the end there. I hope that was a joke.
 
Aren't anime fans in America considered nerds and perverts/pedos also, though? I dunno, not to go against Kirin, but I'd think that it is more accepted in Japan, even if by a little. He said that adult anime is on premium channels, which I'm guessing you'd have to pay extra for. Then you got the rediculously priced DVDs (at least by our standards). So I'm guessing there is a big enough market for it there. Over here, it seems anime is dying. The only stuff that seems to get regular timeslots on TV is whatever kid-friendly show Cartoon Network is airing at the time. And because that's what people see on TV, it seems to be grouped together as "kid stuff" or "that gay cartoon shit."

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. But I seriously do think that people overestimate how accepting Americans are to anime.
 
Someone ought to ask dv8mad to post his observations on the topic (living in Japan and all), but my understanding has always been what Kirin stated. Anime is a niche and it's consumers are not looked on in the best light - y'know, kinda like the US was in the late 80s, early 90s.

Now anime is pretty well accepted regardless of who you talk to.
 
You know... mentioning dv8, I know why he went to Japan because of his blogs... But Kirin is a mystery to me.

KIRIN, WHY ARE YOU IN JAY PAN!?!
 
[quote name='Chronis']Aren't anime fans in America considered nerds and perverts/pedos also, though? I dunno, not to go against Kirin, but I'd think that it is more accepted in Japan, even if by a little. He said that adult anime is on premium channels, which I'm guessing you'd have to pay extra for. Then you got the rediculously priced DVDs (at least by our standards). So I'm guessing there is a big enough market for it there. Over here, it seems anime is dying. The only stuff that seems to get regular timeslots on TV is whatever kid-friendly show Cartoon Network is airing at the time. And because that's what people see on TV, it seems to be grouped together as "kid stuff" or "that gay cartoon shit."

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. But I seriously do think that people overestimate how accepting Americans are to anime.[/QUOTE]

My view of the prevailing American opinion on anime is that the majority of people still don't really know what it is, and therefore just don't care. The market isn't big enough for people to take notice, which is the "edge" that Japan has on us. That's probably the only thing keeping the hobby from getting more disdain here.

[quote name='Chronis']You know... mentioning dv8, I know why he went to Japan because of his blogs... But Kirin is a mystery to me.

KIRIN, WHY ARE YOU IN JAY PAN!?![/QUOTE]

I'm back in America now, but I was in Japan to teach! I had a wonderful time, but my father passed away, and yadda yadda... now I'm back. Not a day goes by when I don't miss my old coworkers and students immensely. I'll probably take a month-long trip to visit everyone again this coming fall.
 
Oh, yeah. I went there.
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Well, in that case, I'm sure someone like you could appreciate this: http://www.gaijinsmash.net/

It's about a big black guy living in Japan who got a teaching job from JET. And it's his life stories while there. Some of it is heartwarming. Others are just LOL inducing. Good stuff, imo. Who knows, maybe you'll get inspired to tell your stories!
 
[quote name='Chronis']Well, in that case, I'm sure someone like you could appreciate this: http://www.gaijinsmash.net/

It's about a big black guy living in Japan who got a teaching job from JET. And it's his life stories while there. Some of it is heartwarming. Others are just LOL inducing. Good stuff, imo. Who knows, maybe you'll get inspired to tell your stories![/QUOTE]

Yeah, that site was particularly amusing and relevant when I was living in Japan. Funny stuff.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']The anime subculture in Japan is probably larger, proportionately, than it is here in America, yes. It's a native product for them, after all. But for all the exposure anime has in Japan, its fans are often thought of as nerds in the same way computer nerds are stereotyped here. Actually, anime fans may have it worse, since it's often assumed that they're perverts as well. Oh, and many American anime fans don't realize this, but most of the anime not intended for the youth market in Japan airs very late at night, or on channels that are the equivalent of HBO or Showtime here. DVD prices are also obscenely expensive - at least twice as much as they are here, and they often have half the content, too. Again, it's a niche nerd hobby.

Conversely, manga is everywhere in Japan. Convenience stores and newsstands both have a decent-sized selection of manga anthology magazines (Shounen Jump, etc.) and tankobon (collected volumes - what we get here in America) to choose from. A large portion of Japanese people commute to work every day using public transportation, and manga is a great way to kill time on a train or bus. It's not unusual to see older Japanese businessmen sitting down with a book on his way to or from work. Also, anthology magazines there are designed to be recycled after reading them, since they're frigging huge and inconvenient to collect, making them a cheap and disposable form of entertainment that can be tailored to many age groups.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='Chronis']Aren't anime fans in America considered nerds and perverts/pedos also, though? I dunno, not to go against Kirin, but I'd think that it is more accepted in Japan, even if by a little. He said that adult anime is on premium channels, which I'm guessing you'd have to pay extra for. Then you got the rediculously priced DVDs (at least by our standards). So I'm guessing there is a big enough market for it there. Over here, it seems anime is dying. The only stuff that seems to get regular timeslots on TV is whatever kid-friendly show Cartoon Network is airing at the time. And because that's what people see on TV, it seems to be grouped together as "kid stuff" or "that gay cartoon shit."

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. But I seriously do think that people overestimate how accepting Americans are to anime.[/QUOTE]


Thank you for saying all of that. I really had no idea that nerds are still the ones watching anime in Japan. I still sort-of find it hard to beleive because i mean, look at how much anime there is. I could probably name more anime series' than i could TV series' here. There are hundreds. How they still manage to make it only for nerds really surprises me.

As for America, i don't think most people know what anime even is, but that's probably a better thing that how it is in japan apparently. The only places people really watch anime is on cartoon network, and i bet 90% of the time those people still don't know that it's anime. Or, as Chronis so perfectly put it, they call it "that gay cartoon shit."

THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND US!
 
I watched an hour long special on STARZ just how huge Anime actually is in America and how much it influences Hollywood today...

How "nerdy" can it be when you have Leo DiCaprio wanting to do projects based on Anime?...

The fact is, most of the Anime shows I have watched are just far better than most stuff the US even puts on in prime time, and that's just the straight up truth. For every 24, Lost, or The Office our networks put on, there are 30 other shows that completely suck and get shit-canned within a year or two.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I watched an hour long special on STARZ just how huge Anime actually is in America and how much it influences Hollywood today...

How "nerdy" can it be when you have Leo DiCaprio wanting to do projects based on Anime?...

The fact is, most of the Anime shows I have watched are just far better than most stuff the US even puts on in prime time, and that's just the straight up truth. For every 24, Lost, or The Office our networks put on, there are 30 other shows that completely suck and get shit-canned within a year or two.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, sounds interesting, i'd like to see that. If Leo DiCaprio wants to do one so bad, why am i almost 100% certain that it won't happen? Waltz With Bashir certainly looks interesting though...

I 100% agree that there are so many more great anime shows than there are here, and the quality is better than most of them. 24 is amazing, i'll admit, but even shows like Prison Break and Heroes, i've just stopped watching them. A show like Death Note or FullMetal Alchemist completely blows them away, and they're some of the greatest shows in America right now.

I guess that's probably why i've gotten so addicted to anime: it's awesome. The only show i'm actually still keeping up with right now is 24 (since it's the best show ever, get over it xD), and i've never followed Lost or The Office, so i have nothing else to watch. Even Arrested Development, which people raved about, i got bored with after a little more than a season. And Dollhouse? What a waste of 12 hours of my life.

On the other hand, i'm currently watching Suzuka, and it's awesome. For anime, these shows really seem to bring out emotion, in this show more than some on TV in america right now. I love it.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']I watched an hour long special on STARZ just how huge Anime actually is in America and how much it influences Hollywood today...

How "nerdy" can it be when you have Leo DiCaprio wanting to do projects based on Anime?...

The fact is, most of the Anime shows I have watched are just far better than most stuff the US even puts on in prime time, and that's just the straight up truth. For every 24, Lost, or The Office our networks put on, there are 30 other shows that completely suck and get shit-canned within a year or two.[/QUOTE]


the majority of asian shows eclipse the crap we have in america i really feel sorry for the people out there who dont know about them or get to watch them. and theres so much to choose from.american shows are all about copying. one person does something that gets success and everyone else follows suit. look at the reality shows all those stupid talent shows, all the dating shows and nw theres even compound reality shows. i saw a commercial for one where they have overweight people trying to lose weight whiile competing in dancing contests. and thers that other one where a guy doesnt just do tattoos but he drvies from city to city doing tattoos. theyre starting to overtake us in the realm of music too.
 
None of you seem to have *any* idea the amount of god-awful crap that's on Japanese television. I'd say the ratio of good-to-shit both here and in Japan is about equal, in all honesty. Let's all stop pretending that Japan is somehow the mecca of amazing programming, because trust me, it isn't.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']None of you seem to have *any* idea the amount of god-awful crap that's on Japanese television. I'd say the ratio of good-to-shit both here and in Japan is about equal, in all honesty. Let's all stop pretending that Japan is somehow the mecca of amazing programming, because trust me, it isn't.[/QUOTE]

Well, how are we supposed to know? :p
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']None of you seem to have *any* idea the amount of god-awful crap that's on Japanese television. I'd say the ratio of good-to-shit both here and in Japan is about equal, in all honesty. Let's all stop pretending that Japan is somehow the mecca of amazing programming, because trust me, it isn't.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it is, but when we have anime alternatives to watch instead of having to suffer through Celebrity Apprentice or Medium, I'd go with the anime.

I'll be honest, we lived with a random in college who was all into anime and we thought it was corny, but he was watching stuff I still wouldn't watch now.

After seeing TekkonKinkreet, I searched out anything similar or anything people regarded as very good in anime. It was just the kind of thing I really like, drawn in cartoon form or not.

And yeah, I think the STARZ special was called Anime in Hollywood or something... basically showed how today's generation of people running Hollywood are fans of the genre and it's influence on their work..

And yeah, the Leo DiCaprio proposed live-action Akira has been put on hold or is dead all-together, but the Keanu Reeves adaptation of Cowboy Bebop seems to be likely to happen, though I wish won't.
 
So... is it a good thing that anime is influencing Hollywood? I mean, did DBZ fans like Dragonball Evolution? Even though next to nothing is known about it, are the series fans squeeling with glee at the possible Cowboy Bebop and Full Metal Panic live actions? I don't know if the producers and whatnots behind these movies are actually making them as a tribute to the anime, or because they believe that there is a big enough market of nerds that will go and watch them, even if just to see how rediculous it is. Seriously, the anime club in my college with to see DragonBall just for the lulz, and asked me if I was coming along. Yeah.... no. Maybe it's just me, but i like to see movies that i think I'm going to legitimetely enjoy, not just to see how bad it is.
 
well... the Matrix heavily borrows from Ghost in the Shell, and the Matrix kicked ass so... it CAN be a good thing I guess.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']well... the Matrix heavily borrows from Ghost in the Shell, and the Matrix kicked ass so... it CAN be a good thing I guess.[/QUOTE]

I think when anime influences a movie stylistically, it can be a good thing. But if anime literally spawns a live-action film based on the original material, that's when we need to take cover.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']I think when anime influences a movie stylistically, it can be a good thing. But if anime literally spawns a live-action film based on the original material, that's when we need to take cover.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. Have you seen the Cutie Honey live action movie?

It's so dang good. :cool:
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Incorrect. Have you seen the Cutie Honey live action movie?

It's so dang good. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Yes, unfortunately, I have.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I loved Boys Be, and I thought most of the soundtrack was phenomenal.[/QUOTE]
Same here, but it's been a while since I have seen it. I finally picked up the boxset a few months ago but I haven't really had to time to watch it again. The Manga was pretty decent for a few volumes as well.

As for Suzuka... I can't say I'm a big fan of the anime(The manga is somewhat better). The biggest problem I had was... Suzuka. Her attitude just rubbed me the wrong way.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Yes, unfortunately, I have.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you can knock it. I mean, the first 10 minutes are glorious, and the rest of the movie is legit hilarious too.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']What's that movie about? Is it a sequel?[/QUOTE]

I googled the title to look for a plot summary but all I'm getting are links to the torrent heh.
 
[quote name='PrarieD0G']It's a completely new/alternate story. That's all I know (and all I need to know, heh).[/QUOTE]

Commencing download... now :robot:
 
So I'm FINALLY getting around the watching the end of FMP so I can give it back to my friend. The end is sorta...... WTF. Though I ROFL'd at the "WE'RE NOT FRIENDS, SHITHEAD!!!" "Did he just say shithead? Hahaha!" part.
 
Yeah, my friend gave me Fumoffu also. I have seen it already though (like most of the first season), and liked it, so I'm just gonna rewatch it for funsies. And after that, I have my TSR boxset lying in the wings, which I haven't seen at all.
 
I just watched the first episode of Genshiken. I can't believe they actually made an anime about anime nerds haha. Pretty funny so far.
 
I have recently seen Jin Roh and Tekkon Kinkreet. Both movies have really good art and animation. Jin Roh has a realistic look and feel, while Tekkon Kinkreet was a crazy insane fantasy version of what could be some version of the real world.

I didn't really have any expectations of what Jin Roh was before I started watching it, so I was surprised that it was a psychological movie most of all. It was a great modern version of Little Red Riding Hood, although I was frustrated with the ending:
I wanted Fuse and Amemiya to run off and live somewhere far away where they could be safe and happy, but that wouldn't work. The whole movie and the ending was just really depressing.

Oh, and Protect Gear is bad ass.

I thought Sony Pictures did an amazing job with the English dub of Tekkon Kinkreet—just like they did with Paprika. White's voice was probably my favorite out of all the characters. It was a really fun movie. I definitely recommend it if you have not seen it.
 
If that's the way the thread is going, here's the Italian opening to Dragon Ball Z. It's damn catchy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBUl25-LdQ
 
So I just finished Genshiken (Yeah, I actually watched all 12 episodes in one sitting, more or less, heh :X ). I liked it a lot. I thought it would be kinda stupid just from reading the description, but it turned out to be pretty good actually. Some of it is so true; I went to my school's Video Game club for one meeting last semester, and I could totally relate to some of the stuff on the show, haha. I was in the mood for something different, and this definitely hit the spot. Anyone who is a geek (which you are, since you're on CAG :p) would probably enjoy this show.
 
I read one volume of that, I liked it. It reminded me of my high school's anime club from my senior year, except our club was pretty lame. It mainly consisted of watching my friend's copy of FLCL, or watching my old Akira VHS and DBZ fansubs. We had no money to buy anything else. Apparently, they got a lot better once I graduated.

I was the treasurer, so I know we had no money :D
 
Yeah, the thing about Genshiken is that it made me realize what a loser I am, haha. But who am I kidding, I've always known that. :p

Now if I can just somehow go to Otakon this year, I'll be a true anime nerd (never been to a convention before), haha.
 
I don't know if going to Otakon would make you a true anime nerd. I think going to a smaller con would give you more geek cred.
 
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