Anime is Illegal in CANADA!!!

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This is something a friend emailed me. Sick guy,,,but the illegality of anime in canada? The reporter oughta at least research his subjects a little.

"Anime is illegal in Canada but not illegal in Japan and the United States. Defence lawyer D’arcy Depoe said Chin didn’t know the cartoon was illegal here."



http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmo....html?id=826a61e5-b53a-47c5-9f2f-39d0d3fbcdf0


Toon child porn importer sentenced

Gordon Chin, a Canadian man who was charged with importing child pornography when authorities discovered thousands of pages of hentai in his house, was given an 18-month provisional sentence:

A 26-year-old Edmonton man has been spared jail time in what is believed to be the first case of cartoon child pornography in Canada.

Gordon Chin pleaded guilty in provincial court today to importing thousands of pages of a Japanese cartoon called Anime featuring characters that look like Pokemon and Astro Boy engaging in explicit sex acts. He purchased the cartoon over the Internet. Police seized 15 comic books in Vancouver destined for his Edmonton address. They also seized 63 more books at his Edmonton home and four binders of the cartoon printed off the Internet.

Some of the scenes reviewed in court featured adult cartoon characters having sex with tied up children, some in diapers. Other scenes portrayed adults using weapons while raping babies.

“Why would anyone want to look at stuff like this?” asked an angry Judge David Tilley. “I don’t think this is the kind of filth that should be available to the public.”

But he agreed to spare Chin any jail time because production of the cartoons didn’t involve the actual exploitation of real children. He handed Chin an 18-month conditional sentence, to be served in the community. Chin will also have to do 100 hours of community service.

Anime is illegal in Canada but not illegal in Japan and the United States. Defence lawyer D’arcy Depoe said Chin didn’t know the cartoon was illegal here.



The Edmundton Sun has more details:
The prosecutor told court that animated child porn has a “noxious” side despite not depicting living victims, because it can dangerously “inflame viewers” and can appear to “normalize” the exploitative sex crime.

Bilodeau said the animated child porn images seized from Chin were very disturbing.

“These images are very disgusting and very violent. There are pictures of babies in diapers being raped,” he said.

Court heard city police were alerted after customs agents discovered a mail package addressed to Chin consisting of 15 anime magazines containing child porn on Jan. 31.

On Feb. 10, cops arranged a “controlled delivery” of the package to Chin's south-side home and arrested him.

A search was done and officers found 63 similar magazines.

Court heard police also found hundreds of pages of anime child porn downloaded from the Internet.

Defence lawyer Darcy Depoe said Chin did not know what he was doing was illegal and it was his first offence.

“This 26-year-old man is probably best described as naive,” said Depoe.

Tilley placed Chin under house arrest for the first six months of the conditional sentence, fined him $150 and ordered him to perform 100 hours of community service.

The reported illegality of anime in Canada will come as a shock to many Pokemon lovers, but the news writer's confusion over terminology is part of a more general confusion over the new hotness
 
Man sentenced in cartoon child porn case

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It's not illegal in Canada. The guy who wrote that needs to look no further than YTV (Cartoon Network's canadian counterpart) as they have Naruto playing right now.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']It's not illegal in Canada. The guy who wrote that needs to look no further than YTV (Cartoon Network's canadian counterpart) as they have Naruto playing right now.[/QUOTE]

Read the article, hentai is illegal. Although from the thread title you'd never guess it was just that.:lol:
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Read the article, hentai is illegal. Although from the thread title you'd never guess it was just that.:lol:[/QUOTE]
Why hentai even exists, I'll never know...
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Read the article, hentai is illegal. Although from the thread title you'd never guess it was just that.:lol:[/QUOTE]

I read the one the OP posted and I referred to these 2 paragraphs:

Gordon Chin pleaded guilty in provincial court today to importing thousands of pages of a Japanese cartoon called Anime featuring characters that look like Pokemon and Astro Boy engaging in explicit sex acts. He purchased the cartoon over the Internet. Police seized 15 comic books in Vancouver destined for his Edmonton address. They also seized 63 more books at his Edmonton home and four binders of the cartoon printed off the Internet.

Anime is illegal in Canada but not illegal in Japan and the United States. Defence lawyer D’arcy Depoe said Chin didn’t know the cartoon was illegal here.
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and I can't read the article anyway as they took it down for 'copyright reasons' but I'm fairly sure it's cuz they know they fucked up and probably are editing it as we speak. :lol:

Then again, the word Anime is capitalized so it could be referencing a specific hentai titled 'Anime' but that would just be plain stupid.

[quote name='beerguy961']Why hentai even exists, I'll never know...[/QUOTE]

For the same reason pr0n exists - because it can. :lol:
 
[quote name='beerguy961']Why hentai even exists, I'll never know...[/QUOTE]

Same reason porn in the US often mimics famous movies and TV shows/characters.;)

People will pay for it.
 
What the fuck? This is brutal sadistic child pornography, not anime!

Why are you people defending this perverted pile of shit?

Only 5 years on the sex offender list and no jail time?
He should have to register for life.

Canada goes easy on pedophiles, it makes me sick.
 
cmon, it says that there were drawings of adults performing sexual acts on children, some with diapers... is it really that suprising
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Well the first part says:[/QUOTE]

Then they should've referred to it as such throughout the article. I think that's kinda what they're doing now - skimming the article and replacing all the 'Anime' with 'hentai' because they know they fucked up. It was probably the ANN posters who probably told them.
 
I can't believe the guy didn't think the stuff was illegal. Although what he had wasn't technically wrong, he probably was well on his way to trying to find the real stuff somewhere.


It's a great time to be a cheap ass gamer.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I can't believe the guy didn't think the stuff was illegal. Although what he had wasn't technically wrong, he probably was well on his way to trying to find the real stuff somewhere.


It's a great time to be a cheap ass gamer.[/QUOTE]

Or he's just got this thing for cartoon women.;)
 
No anime, or hentai, is banned in canada. Maybe, in the right conditions there may be issues with particular hentai, but it would be very rare for anything similar to occur. The only way I can see this have solid legal grounds is if it was hentai which has the sole purpose of being about children.

edit: I read it and thought it said adventure kid. I've never seen it, so I didn't know what was in it, other than it's widely available.

Though the supreme court, in the u.s., ruled that pornography involving cartoon or digital children is legal. It's legal in japan too. That's probably not the case in canada, or there may be no definitive answer at this point.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']What the fuck? This is brutal sadistic child pornography, not anime!

Why are you people defending this perverted pile of shit?[/QUOTE]

What kind of crack are you smoking? No one's defending the guy. Not one post. What we're pissed off about is the fact that they lump anime with the more pervy hentai (a subset of anime).
 
I'll defend the guy. By all of our standards he may be sick, but he wasn't breaking any laws. I understand that is Canada, and this is America, but regardless... the point is he got in trouble for something that harms no one, regardless of how deviant you feel it may be. I understand there is the "slippery slope" argument saying that "well, if he's allowed to have that, then he'll want the real thing... blah blah" but that's just an assumption. I'm not saying I don't think the guy is gross, or that pictures like that are gross, but the fact is they should be entirely legal, because they don't harm anyone. Real child pornography is an entirely different story, because people who purchase or obtain that are supporting the abuse of children. Christ... something isn't wrong just because you don't believe in it.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It's legal in japan too.[/QUOTE]no shit, it comes from Japan

[quote name='varsitygamer']I'll defend the guy. By all of our standards he may be sick, but he wasn't breaking any laws. I understand that is Canada, and this is America, but regardless... the point is he got in trouble for something that harms no one, regardless of how deviant you feel it may be. I understand there is the "slippery slope" argument saying that "well, if he's allowed to have that, then he'll want the real thing... blah blah" but that's just an assumption. I'm not saying I don't think the guy is gross, or that pictures like that are gross, but the fact is they should be entirely legal, because they don't harm anyone. Real child pornography is an entirely different story, because people who purchase or obtain that are supporting the abuse of children. Christ... something isn't wrong just because you don't believe in it.[/QUOTE]I dare you to find me a fast, efficient, and honest/fair justice system
 
[quote name='LiquidNight']no shit, it comes from Japan
[/QUOTE]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's legal. But I was just stating where it's legal compared to where it isn't legal (or it's legality is uncertain). It fits the paragraph.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Not all Hentai is aimed towards children Alonzo. Why not watch the Anime "La Blue Girl" and you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why you thought I think that. I wouldn't buy it if it was about kids.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The only way I can see this have solid legal grounds is if it was hentai which has the sole purpose of being about children. [/QUOTE]

THAT'S why I think you should watch "La Blue Girl". There's no child raping or sex in it ok? Hentai is animated Porn, it can be any age.
 
First off, op's title is inflamatory and completely wrong.

Secondly, the newspaper's reporting of it is terribly stupid. Sounds like something Jack Thompson would write, where a bunch of facts are wrong and people mislabeling everything.

Third, if you can make the argument that it can't be proven that anyone owning such hentai will cause the guy to pursue such things, you can't make the argument that it won't drive him towards it either. Basically people are erring on the side of possibility. We can't honestly say either way but what matters is that if he ever did do something, it wouldn't be hard to trace it to his stash of kid hentai porn.

Fourth, have you seen any hentai games lately? Check somethingawful.com for their reviews. They make a point to actively deride the fact that every last girl in every last one of those games looks and acts like she's about 14.

And finally, while it might be a victimless crime (and that's assuming several things we can't prove either way....but for sake of argument let's say that the only possible victim might be a child the guy could rape, and let's say he never does that), there's no proof that a market that is profitable for this might send the message that it is ok in certain areas around the world. Specifically it might be telling the Japanese that if they like animated child porn, why not live stuff? But that's a slippery slope argument so it can't honestly be made.

But c'mon people, daipers? Shit. Quak might be an asshole but I have to side with him on this one.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']THAT'S why I think you should watch "La Blue Girl". There's no child raping or sex in it ok? Hentai is animated Porn, it can be any age.[/QUOTE]

I think you would have got that I don't think that from the post I just made , especially where I said that I buy it.

That statement you quoted meant that if a particular hentai had the sole purpose of being about child pornography, then that particular hentai may have legal grounds to be banned.
 
so by reading post all they are doing is banning anime because some guys had tons of child hentai... how stupid of canada... there is a difference between anime and hentai though they look the same... anime is not meant for sexual pleasures, but for entertain, like a movie.
 
Hmmm...most of the same arguments we've heard from gamers defending extremely violent video games [which are *proven* to 'increase aggressive tendencies' in most people.]

Live child porn--illegal, disgusting, and deserving of the most brutal punishments.

Animated or drawn child porn--likely illegal in many communities, and certainly disgusting in many cases, but at least in America, it's part of 'free speech'. And there's a difference between drawn 'child porn' featuring 14/15 year olds, and featuring 2 year olds.

The article? Confusing, misleading, and unprofessional as heck. Anime != manga. Child porn manga/anime is a subset of hentai anime/manga which is a subset of anime/manga. Terming the former, the latter, is like lumping all of Hollywood's output "snuff films" because you see one actual snuff film.

And even in Japan, though they allow lots of things [tentacle rape anyone], they 'mosaic' women's/girl's private areas, although I think this is lessening.

But ultimately, I agree--I see no crime in an adult having a picture/s, any picture/s, for his own enjoyment. I'm sure there are laws related to the transfer of such materials, or the buying/selling of them, but for Person A to draw pictures and for Person B to buy them, I don't see anything wrong with that. If that picture or set of pictures should influence him to commit a crime or a despicable act, then yes, *that* is certainly wrong, but the picture itself is not.
 
The second you regulate speech you don't like it makes it easier for the speech you do like to be regulated as well.

I can't stand stuff like Ogrish, Faces of Death, or similar things (which involes real people and is worse than any drawing could be), but I am not about to say they shouldn't have their right to do their thing. I simply won't view it. I don't care how heinous a drawing is, it's still a drawing and no one gets hurt. To assume something will make a person act out is weak at best. It's the same argument that Jack Thompson makes about violent games. Out of the few million copies of GTA that are played, you only hear of a handful of cases at best of people who supposedly were influenced. Guess what? Murder was going on long before games were ever invented and violent crime is the lowest it has been in 40 years. Even then, 99% of murder is influenced by material gain, jealousy, or mental dysfunction not a damn game.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Hmmm...most of the same arguments we've heard from gamers defending extremely violent video games [which are *proven* to 'increase aggressive tendencies' in most people.]

[/QUOTE]

There are essentially proven short term effects that result from watching violent media. But, at the same time, the same studies have mostly shown that the effect wears off relatively quickly, and does not have an effect on your behavior a day or two later.

In children the effect is quickly countered by having an adult make clear that the behavior is unacceptable.

I do think sometimes violent games are defended out of self interest though. But I think the lukewarm defense of this guy is based mostly on people misreading the article, as a recent message indicates that people still think canada banned anime.

But ultimately, I agree--I see no crime in an adult having a picture/s, any picture/s, for his own enjoyment. I'm sure there are laws related to the transfer of such materials, or the buying/selling of them, but for Person A to draw pictures and for Person B to buy them, I don't see anything wrong with that. If that picture or set of pictures should influence him to commit a crime or a despicable act, then yes, *that* is certainly wrong, but the picture itself is not.
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I'm not sure if you think an adult should be able to possess any picture, regardless of legality of producing it. If so, Sweden tried that with illegal porn once, except they only made it legal to posses it. It was illegal to make, distribute etc. but if you only possessed it you were fine. When this happened tons of child porn, bestiality etc. started appearing.
 
that's kind of stupid, they're basically arresting him for having fake child porn. which is gross, but doesn't even involve real children. i don't see what laws he broke unless being a perv is illegal, just be glad he didn't have real child porn. i'm not sure the free speech laws up in canada, but i don't believe it's illegal here. although i think they edit them anyways so all the girls are always 18 years old or some bullshit like that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']There are essentially proven short term effects that result from watching violent media. But, at the same time, the same studies have mostly shown that the effect wears off relatively quickly, and does not have an effect on your behavior a day or two later.
.[/QUOTE]

Depending on the level of violence and the repeatedness of the exposure, but your general implication that 'playing a violent game/seeing violent media doesn't make someone Jack the Ripper' I agree with.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']

I'm not sure if you think an adult should be able to possess any picture, regardless of legality of producing it. If so, Sweden tried that with illegal porn once, except they only made it legal to posses it. It was illegal to make, distribute etc. but if you only possessed it you were fine. When this happened tons of child porn, bestiality etc. started appearing.[/QUOTE]

Well, when I said 'picture' in this case I meant 'drawing', not photo. I agree *photos* of child porn should be illegal, because they mean someone *did* those acts, but if the person has 'drawings' of acts that would be illegal, if they were 'real', that's what I'm talking about, and I have no problem with that. I read Stephen King and David Weber novels, and comic books, and the fictionalized representation in words of pictures of illegal acts, is not inherently illegal or immoral, imho.
 
[quote name='The VGM']Anime should be illegal everywhere.

We need to take out the trash.[/QUOTE]you're the one playing phoenix wright which is heavily influenced by anime...
 
For some reason, I believe its because the guy, who I think is a recent immigrant, thought that since he could buy it in a book store in Japan or whatnot, didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I agree.
 
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