Another Republican caught with pants down, GOP moves into lead over Dems

This dude rocks. Not many would have owned up to what they'd done like he did.

And I don't know if he had presidential ambitions so much as people in politics thought he'd be a good candidate.
 
the press confrence was hilarous. The girls in background were constantly laughing at him. The dude needs to resign. You cant sneak out of the country without leaving someone in charge.
 
a newspaper had emails about the affair since december and his wife threw him out two weeks ago. i think he went down there with a fuck it attitude and knew people were going to find out eventually so he wanted to sow his oats one more time as governer.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']It's like John Stewart said earlier tonight:

Just another guy with a conservative brain and a liberal penis.[/QUOTE]


That is brilliant, actually. :applause:

I am just tired of politicians, liberal and conservative, trying to have the perfect family when they know they would prefer to fuck around. I hate them trying to push the fake, disingenuous family ideal then act like a bachelor. Don't get married in the first place and just be a damn bachelor, and go out and have fun without making a family and yourself look like fools.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I am just tired of politicians, liberal and conservative, trying to have the perfect family when they know they would prefer to fuck around. I hate them trying to push the fake, disingenuous family ideal then act like a bachelor. Don't get married in the first place and just be a damn bachelor, and go out and have fun without making a family and yourself look like fools.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, they wouldn't get the family values votes. No votes. No power and no cougars throwing themselves at you like tweens at a Jonas Brothers concert.
 
[quote name='62t']lol his wife didnt stand by him when he confessed[/QUOTE]

his wife has known, already tried reconciling and threw him out 2 weeks ago.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']This dude rocks. Not many would have owned up to what they'd done like he did.

And I don't know if he had presidential ambitions so much as people in politics thought he'd be a good candidate.[/QUOTE]
i saw the press conference.. he seemed legit.. but you bought it? even if he was legit, owning up to something only after being forced into a corner is not okay. my big problem is the huge string of lies, and because of it, i have a very hard time believing anything he says right now.



taking off without letting anyone know.. if they ask, tell them appalachian trail and that you don't know where on the trail i am.

people think i've been gone too long? well.. dammit. okay, tell them i'm cutting my hike short, i'll fly home tomorrow.

oh, shit, spotted getting off an argentina plane.. well.. uhh.. yeah, see, i was gonna go hiking but at the last minute decided argentina instead. because, uh, yknow... just because.

oh, fuck, you looked at my travel records and found the girl i met.. yeah.. we're friends. i was visiting my friend down there.

DAMMIT, you read my emails, in which i'm in correspondence with this girl for several years and a message ~1 yr ago is sexual? okay, fine, yeah, i've known her for that long and have been sleeping with her for.. what was the date on that email again? right, 1 yr, we've only been sleeping together for 1 yr.



look, i don't care much about fidelity, imo marriage is dumb anyway and monogamy is no more righteous than polygamy, but a person, especially a leader, needs to be honest, and this douchebag, after campaigning on family values, won't stop lying.
 
This guy hardly rocks, liquid. When Clinton had his whole Lewinsky thing this guy was ranting and raving about family values and how Clinton was a "rascal". Typical republican hypocrite.
 
[quote name='HowStern']This guy hardly rocks, liquid. When Clinton had his whole Lewinsky thing this guy was ranting and raving about family values and how Clinton was a "rascal". Typical republican hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

Are you putting Clinton above him just because Clinton did it first? Or am I misreading you?

Also, the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.[/QUOTE]

most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Are you putting Clinton above him just because Clinton did it first? Or am I misreading you?

Also, the whole family values tagline is bullshit anyways, because everybody campaigns on it. No one cares if everyone does it.[/QUOTE]

You are misreading. When Clinton had his affair Sanford was verbally attacking Clinton and was one of only five members of congress to vote against some of Clintons proposals because of Monica Lewinsky.

But now look who's running off on father's day to screw some lady in another country..
 
[quote name='Koggit']most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters[/QUOTE]

Come on, you know every person running for political always puts a tagline somewhere in some way at some point in time about family values. It crosses political fences and no one is immune to it. The effect it has on the American populous is pretty minimal.

Well, HowStern, Clinton didn't go to another country (maybe he did, I don't know), but he has weird fascinations with other things.
 
Yeah, I'm just saying Sanford is a giant hypocrite. He lambasted Clinton for cheating but then went and cheated.
 
Of course he is, but how many people remember that he did? And how many news outlets are saying he's a hypocrite for what he said?
 
Actually when I was flipping through channels earlier they were showing video of him talking about Clinton, so I'm guessing they're aware of the hypocrisy.

The really creepy part, as someone else said, is that he was going all the way to South America to get laid, especially when he had a wife and kids.

In this case monogamy would've easily been more righteous. :roll: Good for his wife for kicking him out.
 
[quote name='camoor']Maria Belen Shapur

Anyone have pics? :D[/QUOTE]

Apparently you're not the only one interested.




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[quote name='Koggit']most social conservatives do it..

it's like when palin's daughter has a baby or gore skips around in a private jet.. if it were the other way around, who cares

hypocrisy matters[/QUOTE]

What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.
 
That's valid because of sarah palin's own views. Preaching abstinence only, then we see how well that worked out in her own family.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say cool, but yes when the people in the family are minors, no when they're adults.

What speaks better to someone's leadership abilities than how they lead their families? OR to put it another way: If you can't put your own house in order, don't ask to manage mine.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']That's valid because of sarah palin's own views. Preaching abstinence only, then we see how well that worked out in her own family.[/QUOTE]

If I believe drugs are bad, tell my kids not to do drugs, then they go out and try drugs anyway, does that mean my view of "Don't do drugs" is wrong?
 
^It's not as black and white as that. When it comes to sex there are options. Condoms, birth control, abstinence. To teach only one option is a mistake and proved to be so for the Palin lady.

When it comes to drugs it's either you did them or didn't. No real grey area.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If I believe drugs are bad, tell my kids not to do drugs, then they go out and try drugs anyway, does that mean my view of "Don't do drugs" is wrong?[/QUOTE]
It isn't even the same thing....:roll:
 
Thanks for another crappy example, Bob.

Quillion said it best. Get your own house in order before you ask to lead the entire country.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Thanks for another crappy example, Bob.

Quillion said it best. Get your own house in order before you ask to lead the entire country.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't care about an affair, that's personal business. If a politician can get things done, what business of mine are his bedroom activities.

I do care about creating all this nonsense (fake hiking trips, possibly traveling on state money, etc)
 
I don't care what he does in the bedroom either but Republicans and conservatives seem to. All of their moral values issues center around sex. Abstinence only. Condoms are for the Devil. No gay marriage (and no gays at all if the could get away with it).

Then when they do the same shit they rail about, liberals are the bad guys for pointing it out. I'm just tired of the rampant hypocrisy on both sides.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']What, now it's cool to blast a political candidate for something someone in their family did?

Like the Clinton's alleged drunken whore of a daughter?

I wonder how long before the Obama kids end up on drugs or something.[/QUOTE]
do you seriously not understand the significant hypocrisy of Sarah Palin in her daughter being an unwed teenage mother?

you're damn right you can judge the content of a person's character based on the actions of their children, when the content of that character involves preaching abstinence education, parental guidance and family values over sex ed and contraception.

if Obama ran around saying "we don't need strict drug laws, we need better parenting and more trans fat in our foods, then our children wouldn't have drug problems", he enacted it and then his kids became drug addicts, fuck yeah it'd speak of his inability to lead

but that's gonna remain a pipe dream of yours, because unlike sarah palin and al gore, obama's not much of a hypocrite
 
Like in religion when people can even follow their own teachings from their religion it makes not only them but their religion look laughable. Same with politics.

Names of stuff don't mean shit... It's having some fucking common sense. Granted... Sadly there is no such thing as common sense and even more sadly it's harder done then said...
 
[quote name='depascal22']I don't care what he does in the bedroom either but Republicans and conservatives seem to. All of their moral values issues center around sex. Abstinence only. Condoms are for the Devil. No gay marriage (and no gays at all if the could get away with it).

Then when they do the same shit they rail about, liberals are the bad guys for pointing it out. I'm just tired of the rampant hypocrisy on both sides.[/QUOTE]

Agreed - except that I'm tired of the people on both sides. ;)

To be fair, I don't think conservatives are against condoms (short of the Ultra-Catholic conservatives). I think you've got two main groups of conservatives:

1.) Government school is *not* the place to be teaching kids about sex. (This is the group I fall in, for what it's worth).

2.) If a government school is going to teach kids about sex, they should focus on abstinence only, since I'm sure any reasonable parent would agree that this is the *best* thing for all kids.

And - for what it's worth - I stand by my correlation between children and sex and children and drugs. Both sex and drugs can be bad things - or can be "good" things. You have to know when it's right and know your limits. Yes, there are choices for sex, but there are also choices for drugs (Do I want to try pot, beer or meth first?). If a parent wants to teach their kids to stay away from all of it, it should be that parent's choice.

For those of you saying "Well, the kid might go out and have sex anyway, so you should teach them blah, blah, blah..." You make me think of the Jack Thompson-types who try to use the excuse that kids will go behind their parents backs to play M rated video games, so we need to ban them all together.

You teach kids to do X.
Your kids reach a point where they make a choice about X.
All you can do is hope they make the right choice.
 
I may regret asking this, but where should kids learn about sex UncleBob?

And if you say their parents, i don't think the average parent is even qualified to give their kids advice on sex. Especially if the parents had the kids when they were still kids themselves.
 
Yes, their family. Sex, love and morals should come from be taught from within the home. It's a scary thought, isn't it? Having to raise your own children, I mean...

*edit* that wasn't phrased well...
 
[quote name='camoor']I wouldn't care about an affair, that's personal business. If a politician can get things done, what business of mine are his bedroom activities.

I do care about creating all this nonsense (fake hiking trips, possibly traveling on state money, etc)[/QUOTE]
I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.[/QUOTE]

Millions don't try to get a President impeached for doing the same thing. Doesn't you guys see the hypocrisy in that?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Yes, their family. Sex, love and morals should come from be taught from within the home. It's a scary thought, isn't it? Having to raise your own children, I mean...

*edit* that wasn't phrased well...[/QUOTE]
I don't even know if it's possible to teach love, but the average parent is definitely not qualified to teach their kids about sex. Never mind the anatomy of it, if the parents weren't responsible about sex when they were younger, who the hell are they to teach their kids to be?

You really think an unwed single mother/father should be teaching ANYBODY about being responsible when it comes to sex?

Please....
 
I think UncleBob is saying that the parents should teach something though. They can at least say, "Hey, just be careful and think. I had you at 16 and we really struggled (or are currently struggling) because I never got to finish school or go to college and get a degree. I never got to go to my senior prom and I never took that road trip to Florida with the rest of my friends because I had to work to get you diapers and baby food."

I find that being honest is the best thing instead of trying to blow kids away with facts. I also think that schools should supplement what is being taught in the home. And not that crazy abstinence only crap that Bush implemented. We're only starting to see the level of that disaster.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']You don't have kids do you?[/QUOTE]

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

So we judge politicians on their parenting skills - looks like the Palin supporters didn't get the memo.

[quote name='Sc4rfac3']I agree cheating is personal matter. He cheated so what millions do everyday. Thats never gonna change.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Without saying anything about Sanford personally, I'd rather get the best politician for the job, rather then an idiot like Dubya who, while faithful and off the booze (now) was one of the worst five POTUS ever.

[quote name='depascal22']Millions don't try to get a President impeached for doing the same thing. Doesn't you guys see the hypocrisy in that?[/QUOTE]

That would be a fine reason to quit supporting Sanford. Ditto on misuse of state funds (in other words, I'm not shedding any tears on this one). However it's delusional to think that his loss of support is a consequece of anything other then a Puritanatical judgement of his marital indiscretions.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I think UncleBob is saying that the parents should teach something though. They can at least say, "Hey, just be careful and think. I had you at 16 and we really struggled (or are currently struggling) because I never got to finish school or go to college and get a degree. I never got to go to my senior prom and I never took that road trip to Florida with the rest of my friends because I had to work to get you diapers and baby food."

I find that being honest is the best thing instead of trying to blow kids away with facts.[/QUOTE]

The above is 100% correct.

I don't even know if it's possible to teach love,
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You teach love at home the same way you teach any other emotion and attitude at home.

Think about it - parents who constantly yell at their children usually end up with children who yell back. Do you think this is coded into their genetic structure? Possible. However, I'm willing to bet it's a learned behavior.

You teach children to give to charity by giving to charity. When I was growing up and we had little, my mother always made a point to give to charity. Many of the same charities she gave to are ones I still give to this very day.

Likewise - you teach your children to love by surrounding them in a loving environment. Parents (of any gender) who actually love each other, for example. The single parent can do it alone - but the child loses out on a big part of being a child - learning how two people can love each other, no matter the hardships - by only having one parent. The child will learn love by loving the child. The child can learn love by having close family ties with relatives and close friends who love you and love each other.

Just as greasy rednecks and gangbangers can teach their children hate, you too can teach your children love.
 
My parents didn't love each other, fought a ton, when I was 10 my mom left my dad for an 18 yr old boy, my dad was single until I was 17, I bounced around a bit and turned out great (as did my sis).. and quite a few people I've known to come from loving families turn out to be crappy people. I don't think parenting is as important as its perpetuated to be, I personally put far more weight into genetics. Guess that's (part of) why I'm not a family-values socially-conservative republican...
 
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