Are you going to watch Fahrenheit 9/11

i will try to see it if it's playing anywhere near me....i'm not the largest mike moore fan but he is intersting and roger & me was great
 
There is no way any of my money is getting anywhere near Michael Moore's wallet.

That guy is such a freaking tool. If he made "real" documentaries instead of thinly veiled propaganda he'd be a nobody.
 
[quote name='kev']There is no way any of my money is getting anywhere near Michael Moore's wallet.

That guy is such a freaking tool. If he made "real" documentaries instead of thinly veiled propaganda he'd be a nobody.[/quote]

Oh I'm not denying that this one isn't total Bush-bashing propaganda. I believe even Moore himself has said so. It just happens to be the kind of propaganda I want to see! :p
 
I'll wait for the DVD release. I can't bring myself to go to the theater for movies of that genre. BFC really disturbed me and did not find any entertaining value in that so I would venture to guess that F911 will not have any redeeming entertainment value either.

I still have some of my old Mask toys.
 
I'm going to see it because I think Mike is great. I've met him and he's a really cool guy. I'm sure Fahrenheit 9/11 will be better than that Dodgeball crap, talk about a waste of money.
 
Im going to see it because I want to see everything he has to say about bush...because I hate bush...and Michael Moore made a good point. "Tali-ban base is rooted in Afghanistan...so what is the point of going to Iraq?...Because he needed an escuse."
 
I saw bowling for columbine too and it was alright, but what are you thinking making this thread?? There are SO MANY anti-Michael Moore people here though so this thread will soon into a flame war, however I did like it and might see this later when it comes out on dvd or to rent.
 
If you read some of the reviews, it seems like he says nothing new about Bush really. So I don't want to really see it (yet I think I will dragged there by someone). Not because I like everything Bush does, in fact more the opposite, but I despise Michael Moore. It's funny I used to enjoy his TV show and such for his comedy, but now everything is false and not even that funny anymore. He exploits tradegies like columbine and 9/11 for his own gain and motivations. He basically lies and uses people. He doesn't make documentries, he makes proproganda.
 
Yes. I will probably go the first day, with a group of 4-6 people. I have already told someone i will go see it with them in 3 weeks. So far, i plan on seeing it twice.
 
I don't really like his tactics but i'll still see it just to see it, I gotta agree with alot of the main ideas being presented.
 
I'm definitely seeing it.

And what's the deal with Bradbury getting his panties in a bunch over the title? He's claiming that MM stole it from him?!?! Like he owns "Farenheit __1"... Gimme a break.
 
after hearing howard sterns positive response to seeing this movie....i will be buying it when it comes out on dvd....ive never watched his bowling for columbine movie, but 7.99 at cc next week has my name written all over it
 
I love how just the mere mention of his name sends so many people into an "OMG STFU fatty why do you hate America so much" frenzy, and that somehow it's A-OK for the government to propagandize but a filmmaker is supposed to be 100% truthful.
 
Nope, it's not even worth downloading a bootleg copy. I wouldn't piss down Michael Moore's throat if he was dying of thirst in the desert. There are no good points to that waste of life. Liberals suck and he's one of them.
 
[quote name='Storamin']Nope, it's not even worth downloading a bootleg copy. I wouldn't piss down Michael Moore's throat if he was dying of thirst in the desert. There are no good points to that waste of life. Liberals suck and he's one of them.[/quote]

dag. thats pretty harsh. the idea behind the statement is exactly what we are "fighting" for in iraq. the right to say and do what we please. when we are actually fighting for oil and our gas prices continue to skyrocket. i bet GW can fill his tank up with the quickness.

i just watched this movie at a secret lowdown 12:30 am showing in a theatre i will not name to protect the innocent parties :wink: involved with playing the film stock, but i will say you shouldnt expect anything like bowling for columbine. it wasnt a moving, powerful piece of filmaking, but it was inforamative to the point that you wish every bush lover would got watch the film with open eyes.

the evidence is staggering and i cannot believe that we as a people who fight for freedom and claim to be proud let a weasel like that divert our country into a large company. i like to consider myself as one who is in the know or whatever the cliche is, but its amazing how these things slip through the cracks.

we will be flashed words like "terror", "terror attack", "terror alert" and "terrorist" to inflict what the word means in a nutshell : fear. fear to breath, fear to eat, fear to travel, fear of your country. fear of your nieghbor. every few months they want to scare you and make you feel like we need them to fight this battle.

once again, dont expect columbine and definately DO NOT expect a roger and me or even the big one, but be informed and amazed. Make sure your vote counts and im sure there are nader voters here- but anyone but bush, and nader cant win. as much as i wish he would, he wont, so vote kerry, even if his jaw looks like that =)
 
I will be there Friday night. You have to take Moore with a grain of salt, but if you ever read his books, and then check his sources, you find that he's not manipulating nearly as much as the right wing would have you believe.
 
[quote name='kev']There is no way any of my money is getting anywhere near Michael Moore's wallet.

That guy is such a freaking tool. If he made "real" documentaries instead of thinly veiled propaganda he'd be a nobody.[/quote]

See I was thinking about this the other day because as much as I hate ol' mikey I like watching his movies to piss myself off and hate him moore. It's kind of like watching horror movies to scare yourself. Anywho I was wondering how I could see this but keep my hard earned dollars out of his pocket and finally decided what to do. I'll simply go to the theater, buy a ticket for another movie like say Around the World in 80 days (it needs all the help it can get), and then go to Farenheit 9/11 instead.

I figure if I can get enough people to do this then on monday when the movie revenue reports are released everyone is gonna go WTF how did Around the world in 80 days make more money?!?
 
Considering that Michael Moore is so ass backwards that in 2002 at the Telluride Film Festival he claimed Osama Bin Laden was innocent until proven guilty in a U.S. court... no, I'm not going to see it.

It's amazing that this movie can't get above the 600 theater count for it's release. Hell, some gay porn will probably get wider commercial distribution than this piece of stuff. Leni Riefenstahl sure looks different as a brillo faced Jabba the Hutt wannabe. Unfortunately there are still masses that would pay to go see this "Triumph of the Will" type swill.

Anyone that admits they want to go just be honest with yourself, this movie is as intellectually honest as a documentary as "The Core", "Armegeddon" or "Godzilla". If you can deal with that at least you're not a complete fool seperated from your money.
 
EddieBelfour, you made some awesome points. America should be ashamed of itself because of its current situation, and it is all our "commander in chief"s fault. I will be watching this moving friday night, and if it is liberal propaganda...then it will be great. I know several of you will not agree, but you do need to open your eyes a little and take a non-biased look at our current situation...kinda scary.
 
[quote name='retroguru']EddieBelfour, you made some awesome points. America should be ashamed of itself because of its current situation, and it is all our "commander in chief"s fault. I will be watching this moving friday night, and if it is liberal propaganda...then it will be great. I know several of you will not agree, but you do need to open your eyes a little and take a non-biased look at our current situation...kinda scary.[/quote]

word my man, thanks for the props. i myself do not liek where the country is headed. but then again, i dont really like where michael moore is headed. in a way it is liberal properganda, moore makes a film out of footage, meaning he can manipulate things he doesnt explain, which can lead to a horrid misrepresentation of the film. i again, enjoyed my time, went with a nice looking girl, brought some brews and some veggie dogs and got a bit crunk. it just didnt rile me up as much as his other films have...it just wasnt there. a lot of what he ran out there was known and to a certain point, stretched to fit the premis. check out this link, but i warn you POSSIBLE SPOILERS http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/. if you dont read it now, read it after and you might think different, as did i when i heard all the hippies going "man that was awesome".

case in point: upon leaving the theatre i sid to my lady friend " what a fag that dude (moore) is" (of course, not meaning fag in a sense of gay bashing, so dont even come there, but here in Buffalo, things that are wack are gay and people who are wack are fags, i can guarantee other CAGers from buff can atest to this) and these kids are like " what do you mean, dont you want to make a change?" and i said " yeah man, but i wanted to make a change before i saw bowling for columbine, how about you?" and the kid told me of a few groups or something he belonged to. my reply "dont follow the masses my man, some of its true, some is opinion, but all of it means nothing if you cant think for yourself." with that i said Peace and walked away
 
I'll go see it. I loved Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine was ok but this one looks interesting. Plus, Michael Moore's documentaries are the only ones that even keep me interested in what he is saying.
 
Just a point to be made, because it appears to be consistently overlooked, whenever Moore's brought up.

No film is without bias.

That's just the way it is. If you need to condense something down to two hours, the editor introduces bias in what they choose to show. There's no way around it, and no matter how evenhandedly you attempt to present the facts, there are sides to an issue you can't show.

But moreover, no documentary attempts to not present a viewpoint.

The point of making a film like this is to present an argument. You wouldn't go up to a debate, and expect Kerry to present Bush's side of the argument to be "fair" - nor would you expect the same of Bush. If you consider the general media's failure to ask the right questions in the runup to the Iraq war to be the administration's side of the argument (which they had all to themselves for more than a year), then consider this Moore's rebuttal.

Fox News doesn't present both sides of the argument, but many people believe they do, because they label themselves "Fair and Balanced" - but you watch Fox News, if you do, with a grain of salt, knowing that they're presenting information with a right-wing bias, and you can filter what is true, and what is propaganda. Same with CNN, the New York Times, etc. - you look at the source, and you double check the info, if you think there's a reason to question it.

With Moore, he's presenting an argument. With BFC, he took some liberties he shouldn't have - so for Farenheit, if he brings up a point that seems curious, it's worth double checking.

I'm glad he's making this movie, though, because he will bring up points the general media completely glossed over, or failed to explore, and he will present them in a way that cannot be overlooked.

seppo
 
I'll watch it, but more as a comedy that as a documentary. Moore's lost just about all the credibility he ever had, but that doesn't mean that there isn't some comic value (both intentional and unintentional) to be had from his movies.

Of course, I'll probably wait until it's in a dollar theatre or available for rental from Blockbuster.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='kev']There is no way any of my money is getting anywhere near Michael Moore's wallet.

That guy is such a freaking tool. If he made "real" documentaries instead of thinly veiled propaganda he'd be a nobody.[/quote]

See I was thinking about this the other day because as much as I hate ol' mikey I like watching his movies to piss myself off and hate him moore. It's kind of like watching horror movies to scare yourself. Anywho I was wondering how I could see this but keep my hard earned dollars out of his pocket and finally decided what to do. I'll simply go to the theater, buy a ticket for another movie like say Around the World in 80 days (it needs all the help it can get), and then go to Farenheit 9/11 instead.

I figure if I can get enough people to do this then on monday when the movie revenue reports are released everyone is gonna go WTF how did Around the world in 80 days make more money?!?[/quote]

HAHAHA...that's a fantastic idea, I love it. Truth be told I don't think the film will make much money, largely due to the very poor timing of its release. What marketing genius came up with the idea of releasing it 5 days before the summer blockbuster movies kick into high gear. Only being on a smaller number of theatres doesn't help (though it is a very large release for a "documentry," if you perfer to call it that). Maybe they wanted it out before independence day, but I think sometime like I dunno maybe early September to October would have a much greater gross. Instead it will be stomped by Spiderman 2 and others that follow. Lots of theatres will be forced to boot it after about 3 weeks to make room for all the movies coming out that are sure to draw larger crowds.
 
It's being released now so that they can get a DVD release before the election. A documentary like this is not going to play in every part of the country so he wants to get the DVD out soon so that everyone who wants to see it, can before November. He had mentioned releasing it straight to DVD back when it looked like Disney would not allow distribution.
 
Personally I don't see it having any kind of adverse effect on the elcetion, but if he truly thinks that it will then there are number of solutions to that delimma of his. Release the film in late August/early September, then the DVD 6-8 weeks later giving you about 2 weeks before the election. Or create some kind of deal of exclusivity with Blockbustern so they can have the DVD for rent at the same time as it's release in theatres, or like you said release it straight to video and DVD.
 
Not in theaters, I'll wait for it on DVD. I kind of have a problem with the way Moore deals with his subject. In his last movie, Columbine, he seemed to go all over the place and not really stick to one subject (which I thought would be ABOUT Columbine). He's also about embarassing people to get his point across, pretty much saying "Look at that idiot! Can you believe what he is saying?" That happened a couple of times in Columbine where he went to K-Mart's main offices and to Charleton Heston and the bank at the beginning who were giving away guns if you opened an account (and I heard the whole bank thing was set up. The actual customers didn't get the guns until a few months or so after opening the account, not on the spot).

Faranheit 9/11 seems to be more troubling, since it seems like all Moore wants to do is bash Bush and his administration. We've heard enough for the past two years, thank you. If he's smart, hopefully he'll look at both partie's roles in dealing with 9/11, not just republicans. But right now, how this movie is being marketed, it looks like a Bush-bash-a-thon. To me, it seems like he's doing this to make some friends in the movie industry, as most know, is pretty liberal.

Can this affect the November election? Well, ask yourself this: did Bowling For Columbine affect our gun policy? The answer is no. Unless this movie can draw in a huge audience, this movie will have little effect on the election.
 
[quote name='x0thedeadzone0x']I saw bowling for columbine too and it was alright, but what are you thinking making this thread?? There are SO MANY anti-Michael Moore people here though so this thread will soon into a flame war, however I did like it and might see this later when it comes out on dvd or to rent.[/quote]


ATTENTION: WHAT FOLLOWS IS NOT A FLAME,TROLL, just a question:
Did you get burnt or something deadzone? When I was reading some posts today I got the feeling that you posted stuff that dealt mostly with flame wars, did a quick search and found several warnings of a topic turning into a 'flame war'. Did you get in the middle of a flame war or are you just trying to be switzerland?

(a couple from the last day.. Posted: June 22, 2004, 10:38 am
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Quote:
who now lives outside Austin and is using the domains to house a satire site poking fun at the president.

^ Taken from article context

"Satire site". That sounds like they say that it's a direct satire site to me. But soon this thread will turn into a flame war so I'm getting the hell out of here before I'm caught in the barrage of fire, just trying to be helpful and that's all I'm going to say.


Posted: June 21, 2004, 3:16 pm
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Yeah, this is soon going to become a flame war... I agree with you though, people shouldn't hate just because they have different beliefs then themselves
 
It would be great if another documentary was made in response to Fareheit 9/11. That way, people could see both sides and (hopefully) see through the propaganda (from both sides!). I hope everyone here just thinks for themselves and votes accordingly. Vote for what you think is important and don't believe everything the media shoves down your throat.

Is it possible to be politically unbiased these days?
 
here you go:

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

that's one I'll pay $8 to see.



[quote name='dj_paxis']It would be great if another documentary was made in response to Fareheit 9/11. That way, people could see both sides and (hopefully) see through the propaganda (from both sides!). I hope everyone here just thinks for themselves and votes accordingly. Vote for what you think is important and don't believe everything the media shoves down your throat.

Is it possible to be politically unbiased these days?[/quote]
 
The sad part was that I thought he was such a clever guy in Roger and Me. Just the backstory as to how he got that made was amazing.

If you think about it, the guy lived Roger and Me. That's what made his opinion real to me.

HOWEVER, his follow-up movies are nothing but total made up garbage. The guy has no real business trying to tell me what's up when he's just as far away from getting real data as myself.

I'd rather hear from the guys in the trenches... in the actual system that is 'broken' or 'working'.

I think calling his latest film a "DOCUMENTARY" is a total insult to anyone who is really "in the know".
 
yes hezbollah is offering to help:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/sto...1240819,00.html

Meanwhile, in the United Arab Emirates, the film is being offered the kind of support it doesn't need. According to Screen International, the UAE-based distributor Front Row Entertainment has been contacted by organisations related to the Hezbollah in Lebanon with offers of help. All in all, Tony Blair must be relieved that Moore is not going to make a film about him; Moore rebuffed the rumour in a message on his website headlined: "Sorry to scare you, Tony. Michael Moore was just kidding."

I don't see how anyone can take him seriously after being supported by Hezbollah. He also claimed shortly after the first americain got beheaded, Nicholas Berg, that he had an additonal 20 min of video footage with a ? and answer between berg and the terrorist, he said he would only show it to the family. First off, how the hell did he get that footage, and 2nd, if it was something that supported his claim to how evil bush is, he would have included it in his movie, and made it public
 
I am very amused with his movies. I seldom agree with Moore but he makes amusing movies. I like watching his flicks just like any other make-believe movie.
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='x0thedeadzone0x']I saw bowling for columbine too and it was alright, but what are you thinking making this thread?? There are SO MANY anti-Michael Moore people here though so this thread will soon into a flame war, however I did like it and might see this later when it comes out on dvd or to rent.[/quote]


ATTENTION: WHAT FOLLOWS IS NOT A FLAME,TROLL, just a question:
Did you get burnt or something deadzone? When I was reading some posts today I got the feeling that you posted stuff that dealt mostly with flame wars, did a quick search and found several warnings of a topic turning into a 'flame war'. Did you get in the middle of a flame war or are you just trying to be switzerland?

(a couple from the last day.. Posted: June 22, 2004, 10:38 am
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Quote:
who now lives outside Austin and is using the domains to house a satire site poking fun at the president.

^ Taken from article context

"Satire site". That sounds like they say that it's a direct satire site to me. But soon this thread will turn into a flame war so I'm getting the hell out of here before I'm caught in the barrage of fire, just trying to be helpful and that's all I'm going to say.


Posted: June 21, 2004, 3:16 pm
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Yeah, this is soon going to become a flame war... I agree with you though, people shouldn't hate just because they have different beliefs then themselves[/quote]

Responded to your PM.
 
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