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In light of all the debate over the alleged "botched joke" by the flim flam king, I thought it would be nice to hear the perspective of someone even spineless partisan hacks like Msut and EZB couldn't defame with their recycled "u iz a rethugliKKKan durrr" one line tripe, and see what you make of it.

(via the WSJ's editorial section.)

Enjoy.


Shame on Him
[FONT=Garamond, Times]John Kerry picked the wrong people to insult.[/FONT]
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BY RONALD R. GRIFFIN
Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

I missed the joke. You must forgive me, for there just is not a lot of room in my life for even good jokes--and there is absolutely no room for "botched jokes"--when the subject of the joke is my son who was killed in Iraq. I know exactly what came out of Sen. John Kerry's mouth, and in those words there is no interpretation required. His attempt to convince us--and, I believe, to convince himself that that there was really a botched joke buried deep within his insult is in fact a reaffirmation of his ever-present condescending nature. He actually believes that we are stupid enough to agree with him and start laughing simply because he said it was a joke. Mr. Kerry said exactly what he meant and meant exactly what he said. In those words Mr. Kerry did in fact wash completely away the facade of his support of our magnificent troops and revealed for all to see his true colors.

All one had to do is look into the face of Mr. Kerry as the last word came out of his mouth, and it was painfully obvious that he knew that he had just disparaged the entire military. As the firestorm grew, the calls for an apology filled me with unease. It is not up to him to determine if an apology is in order. That decision most certainly rests with the millions of individuals he offended, and then they would decide if they were going to accept one or not.

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As Sen. Kerry began his soon-to-be-reversed "I apologize to no one" rebuttal to a call for an apology, I was driving by the memorial built in honor of Kyle, my son, and the other fallen heroes from my town. As I listened, I tried unsuccessfully to make sense of the meteor shower of thoughts that were streaking through my mind. Then came one remembrance that brought all those other thoughts to an instantaneous halt. Last year I had written an editorial and I received a number of written replies. Among those was one postmarked from San Diego addressed simply to "the father of a hero" and my town of Emerson, N.J.


It started off friendly enough then quickly became argumentative and before the first paragraph was completed this individual had written, "I am glad that your son got killed for he probably was an idiot just like you". My first reaction, and really the only reaction I have ever had, was sadness for an individual who is so consumed with anger that he felt it necessary to lash out at me for my beliefs.

That is exactly how I feel about John Kerry. His anger was in full bloom as he tried desperately to control the damage that his words had caused. He knew full well that he could not defend his remarks, so he attacked President Bush. In doing so he reinforced his now fully revealed condescending attitude towards our troops. He talked over them, as he always does, never even beginning to understand that there might be individuals who were truly and deeply offended by his remarks. The explanation for that is quite simple: He firmly and deeply believes that anyone who would be so stupid as to join the military is beneath the high moral perch on which he thinks he sits.
Even in his so-called apology the next day, Mr. Kerry could not bring himself to admit that he had made a mistake. It was not his fault that I might be offended; it is my fault because I "misinterpreted" what he said.

Over these past 3 1/2 years, whenever I have been asked to be interviewed or speak at a function, I purposely do not write anything down. I do not want my emotions to be confined by the words that I have practiced; rather, I want to share with the people I am speaking with the full range of emotions that I live with each day in order that they might understand me in human terms. On the day that he aggrieved so many individuals by his words, that is what Sen. Kerry was doing. He dropped the pretense and revealed to the world what was in is heart, to his never-ending detriment.

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Anyone who has spent any amount of time with our troops comes away with a sense of awe, attributable not just to their bravery and valor but to their intelligence and character. In one of the many conversations I had with Kyle, I reminded him that as he moved up the ladder in the military, he would have to be ever mindful that the caliber of the individual got better and better and that he would have to work harder and harder. Kyle did not want to go to college; he wanted to be a soldier. He joined and only had one demand and that was to be Infantry. He was airborne qualified and had orders to go to Ranger school, but the war in Iraq came first. I can still recall to this day the astonishment in his voice when he told me of his passing of the 82nd Airborne Pre-Ranger course and the incredible individuals he graduated with. Only four in 10 did so. Little did I know at the time that he was voted by those other graduates as Best Ranger.


Sen. Kerry has really picked on the wrong crowd this time. Not so much the individual soldiers he so clearly insulted, for they are great judges of true manhood, and in him they have found him wanting. When he ran for president, they voted against him by almost 4 to 1.

They will laugh him off, but their loved ones are a different matter. Kyle died with two of his buddies, Spc. Michael Gleason and Spc. Zachariah Long. Ironic in a way, for they came from Pennsylvania, the great state that has given us these two and so many other magnificent heroes--and Rep. John Murtha, who disparages their service just like Senator Kerry. Kyle and Zack were inseparable. They trained together; rode dirt bikes together; one taught the other how to milk a cow; they deployed together; they earned their Bronze Stars together in rescuing a compromised unit; and they died together at age 20, one asleep on the other's shoulder.

In their death and our sorrow, I have come to know and love Zach's mom Karen as Kyle did during those many days spent riding the dirt bikes on their farm in Pennsylvania and eating her out of house and home and probably a cow or two. On Wednesday I called Karen to ask what she thought of Sen. Kerry's remarks. I was shocked that she had no idea what I was talking about, for she hardly watches any news anymore. I read her the quote from Mr. Kerry and shut up as she digested and interpreted the words. She then simply said, "Shame on him for insulting my boy. He just called my boy stupid. Shame on him."

John Kerry can attempt to apologize in as many forms and as many times as has the breath but he can be assured that the pain that he has inflicted upon this wonderful woman will forever be part of the pain that she endures each day and in reality there was no reason for it to happen.

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It is in my mind the height of irony that John Kerry, a Yale graduate, would make two other Yale graduates the butt of his supposed joke. One we all knew as President Bush; the other is known mostly to those who have proudly served with and under him. On the day Kyle died, this gallant warrior was to take command of Kyle's parent unit, the 519th Military Intelligence Battalion. Kyle was on his way to the ceremony when he and his buddies were killed. Here is a man who is the epitome of intellect, character and gallantry--an individual that Mr. Kerry does not believe exists.


John Kerry stands alone, to be judged by his words. He has given us the rare opportunity to look into the soul of a politician, and he has shown himself wanting, especially in view of the fact that he asked us to allow him the honor and privilege of leading our gallant military at a time of war. It is rare in life to be able to know the consequences of both sides of a decision. Mr. Kerry has clearly demonstrated what manner of president he would have been. Fortunately the American electorate denied him that high honor.
Mr. Griffin is the father of Spc. Kyle Andrew Griffin, a recipient of the Army Commendation Medal, Army Meritorious Service Medal and the Bronze Star, who was killed in a truck accident on a road between Mosul and Tikrit on May 30, 2003.

But, like mykevermin said, people are only outraged by the letter after Kerry's name.

Right?
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In all seriousness Very, you actually buy into this?

fuck you and everyone whose opinion on this is based on willful and dishonest misrepresentation of what was said.
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']
...But, like mykevermin said, people are only outraged by the letter after Kerry's name.

Right?[/QUOTE]

Of course they are. Just like Kerry explained - It's the republican conspiracy and their dirty trick tactics aiming to destrroy all Democrats by spreading lies and politics of personal destruction.

Gosh, you're such a dumbass, Veritas, I can't believe you wouldn't take John Kerry at his word !
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Of course they are. Just like Kerry explained - It's the republican conspiracy and their dirty trick tactics aiming to destrroy all Democrats by spreading lies and politics of personal destruction.

Gosh, you're such a dumbass, Veritas, I can't believe you wouldn't take John Kerry at his word ![/QUOTE]

He was for the joke before he was against it! (sorry, stole that from Cheney's speech)
 
I think john kerry did a very stupid thing by saying this and then trying to take it back. I am ashamed that he is a member of the democratic party. At one time I had hoped that he would beat bush but I think we would be just as screwed or worse if he was the current president.
 
Regardless of the victim mentality herre at CAG, no one in the media is bashing Kerry becuase of the "D" next to his name.

All he had to do was make a heartfelt apology and it would have gone away like every other disparaging comment made by a democrat. Unfortunately for Kerry, he had to make a big stinking pseudo campaign apology championing his own victim status as being part of the persecuted party. That's what made this news a story. Doesn't he pay advisors who tell him how to handle things properly ? They obviously are paid too much.
 
Msut, put down the kos-aid for a minute and direct your fuck you's at the man who lost his son in Iraq.

Make sure you tell him he is an ignorant rethugliKKKan for actually taking Kerry's words at face value, because that is the point here.

You all want to sit around and pretend that, since any ignorant comment made by "chimpymcbushitler" is a stand alone comment indicative of the entire administration, the right MUST be doing the same thing with Kerry's comment.

myke, did you even read the editorial I posted? Can you point out anywhere in the piece where the writer made generalizations about the Democrats, and lost sight of expressing his disgust at the comments of a single man?

Is it so hard to consider that, if I believe you when you say you don't honestly think Rush Limbaugh represents the views of ALL republicans, (and therefore don't just get outraged at his comments because of the letter after his name), maybe you can pay a political opponent the same respect in understanding that the bullshit flying out of Kerry's mouth is not simply bullshit because he is a D, it is bullshit because he is a fucking human being and former veteran condesending to a group of people who put their lives on the line daily in order to take a political cheap shot at the sitting president.

yawn, indeed.
 
[quote name='Veritas1204']Msut, put down the kos-aid for a minute and direct your fuck you's at the man who lost his son in Iraq.

Make sure you tell him he is an ignorant rethugliKKKan for actually taking Kerry's words at face value, because that is the point here.[/QUOTE]

His opinion and what he wrote is based on an INTENTIONAL and FALSE interpretation of what was meant and even what was said.

So is yours.
 
I'm not reading through that because the first paragraph made annoyed me. Whoever wrote this seems to be more aimed at tugging on hearts to get sympathy more than trying to make an actual point.
 
Didn't you idiots crucify Cindy Sheehan for this kind of thing? Didn't you morons lambast the left for bringing out victims who are above reproach and as Laura Bush says "It’s Always Easy To Manipulate People’s Feelings".

That's fair. I am just sorry this guys' anger is misdirected... Kerry's botched joke isn't responsible for killing his son , Bush's "botched" plan is.
 
[quote name='Msut77']His opinion and what he wrote is based on an INTENTIONAL and FALSE interpretation of what was meant and even what was said.

So is yours.[/quote]

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

That is an exact quote. YOU guys buying the spin are the ones falsely interpreting what was actually said.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

That is an exact quote. YOU guys buying the spin are the ones falsely interpreting what was actually said.[/quote]

No kidding, talk about total idiot. We all know its being rich and having an influential father that keeps you out of serving in combat.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']That is an exact quote. YOU guys buying the spin are the ones falsely interpreting what was actually said.[/QUOTE]

It is and was clear he was reffering to W getting us stuck in Iraq you twit.

The only way you can interpret your (THE WRONG WAY) is by removing all context and intent.
 
[quote name='Msut77']It is and was clear he was reffering to W getting us stuck in Iraq you twit.

The only way you can interpret your (THE WRONG WAY) is by removing all context and intent.[/quote]You're obviously missing the real issue here. This war is about human cloning!
 
[quote name='schuerm26']"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

That is an exact quote. YOU guys buying the spin are the ones falsely interpreting what was actually said.[/QUOTE]

And the lines immediately preceding it were jokes ragging on Bush.

So why would he take an immediate left turn and denigrate the troops?

Context is everything. Which is why you're intent on taking those comments out of context.
 
Forget it, it's useless, Kerry hates the troops, America, apple pie, the whole shabang. We all know he wants terrorists to take over the country and also somehow make it communist and raise our taxes. He also wants us all to convert to Islam (that might be taken care of by the surrendering to terrorists though). Then he wants to turn everybody gay.

It's a horrible, horrible truth people just have to accept.
 
[quote name='David85']John Kerry is a dumbass, anyone name Bush is a dumbass. Can we move on?[/QUOTE]

Okay, I can agree with that. :)
 
Laura Bush isn't so bad. Kerry's wife is a shrew IMO.

And I realize that doesn't have a damn thing to do with much of anything.
 
[quote name='Msut77']It is and was clear he was reffering to W getting us stuck in Iraq you twit.

The only way you can interpret your (THE WRONG WAY) is by removing all context and intent.[/QUOTE]

Interpretation is opinion. It can't be wrong but it can be based wrong information.

Oh yeah, and fuck You for being an arrogant twat sitting on a computer without the balls to do anything else about it.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Oh yeah, and fuck You for being an arrogant twat sitting on a computer without the balls to do anything else about it.[/QUOTE]

Can someone put this into English for me?
 
[quote name='usickenme']Didn't you idiots crucify Cindy Sheehan for this kind of thing? Didn't you morons lambast the left for bringing out victims who are above reproach and as Laura Bush says "It’s Always Easy To Manipulate People’s Feelings".

That's fair. I am just sorry this guys' anger is misdirected... Kerry's botched joke isn't responsible for killing his son , Bush's "botched" plan is.[/quote]

That sums up this whole situation pretty well. Regardless of what Kerry meant/didn't mean, he's not responsible for the situation in Iraq.
 
[quote name='onikage']That sums up this whole situation pretty well. Regardless of what Kerry meant/didn't mean, he's not responsible for the situation in Iraq.[/QUOTE]

So he's not responsible for his vote to approve said war now that he's against it? How convenient.
 
This is turning into the whole Gore inventing the internet shit all over again. I am going to start a thread about Bush wanting OB/GYNs to practice their love with women.

The reason this whole thing is such a big fucking deal is that the statement hits a little too close to home.
 
Im still waiting, any takers?

Can someone translate?

It kept me awake last night pondering what in the fucking holy hell cochese was trying to say.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Im still waiting, any takers?

Can someone translate?

It kept me awake last night pondering what in the fucking holy hell cochese was trying to say.[/QUOTE]


I'm sorry, I can't figure it out either.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']So he's not responsible for his vote to approve said war now that he's against it? How convenient.[/QUOTE]

Please a vote to give Bush authority to go into Iraq (based on a failed promise of diplomacy) doesn't mean Kerry is personally responsible for every freaking mistake Bush made.

Convenient indeed.


FYI, he has owned up to the vote. Unlike Bush.
 
[quote name='niceguyshawne']This is turning into the whole Gore inventing the internet shit all over again. I am going to start a thread about Bush wanting OB/GYNs to practice their love with women.[/QUOTE]

That is a fucking brilliant comparison.

And yet, a man that couldn't be bothered to show up for duty flying helicopters around Texas is a war hero, and a decorated special forces soldier is the troop hating coward. Of course. Makes perfect fucking sense.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Please a vote to give Bush authority to go into Iraq (based on a failed promise of diplomacy) doesn't mean Kerry is personally responsible for every freaking mistake Bush made.

Convenient indeed.


FYI, he has owned up to the vote. Unlike Bush.[/QUOTE]

This is quite funny coming from someone who blames Bush for each and every thing that has gone wrong in Iraq.

But yes, Kerry is somewhat responsible. He voted to go to war, regardless of the fact that later he changed his mind. He is responsible for his vote and bears some responsibility for the war occurring.

As for "owning up," I'd say he's done nothing of the kind. If it was a terrible mistake, as he now professes to believe, how come he hasn't traveled the country apologizing to family members of soldiers who died in part due to his mistake? Face it, his political positions are determined by the way the political winds are blowing.
 
Kerry's responsible in that he believed Bush would follow through with the diplomacy he promised and conduct the war in a responsible manner.

Bush did neither.

Sure anytime a vote for war is made, there are real life consequences.
Amazing you hold Kerry to a higher standard than Bush.

*by Bush I mean his administration, so you don't get confused.
 
Bush did pull a fast one asking for the authorization to go to war with Iraq, claiming he wanted to have all options on the table. Once he had that, diplomacy was out the window. War should only be a last option.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Did you give George Allen the same benefit of the doubt? Not being smart-assed, just honestly asking.[/QUOTE]

There is no other way to interpret Macaca besides Monkey/Racial Slur. His supporters laughed as well, Allen knew what he was saying.

Next you will try to tell me the the guy who was being called it actually had a mohawk.
 
[quote name='Msut77']There is no other way to interpret Macaca besides Monkey/Racial Slur. His supporters laughed as well, Allen knew what he was saying.

Next you will try to tell me the the guy who was being called it actually had a mohawk.[/QUOTE]


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[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Did you give George Allen the same benefit of the doubt? Not being smart-assed, just honestly asking.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if George Allen can come up with the place in his speech where he was supposed to say "Hey, mohawk, welcome to America," but actually said "Hey, macaca, welcome to America," then yeah, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt ... but it won't help much, considering the original version is still a racist insult.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That's not a mohawk.

THIS is a mohawk:
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Go Wattie Go![/quote]

Isn't he in Guitar Hero II?
 
[quote name='trq']Maybe if George Allen can come up with the place in his speech where he was supposed to say "Hey, mohawk, welcome to America," but actually said "Hey, macaca, welcome to America," then yeah, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt ... but it won't help much, considering the original version is still a racist insult.[/QUOTE]


No, I'm taking it back. It's okay to say it now.

Macaca.

See? Easy.
 
If The Exploited made it into GH2, any one of their songs would be "hold down red and green and jam the strum bar" for the whole fucking song.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If The Exploited made it into GH2, any one of their songs would be "hold down red and green and jam the strum bar" for the whole fucking song.[/QUOTE]

So it'd be like I Love Rock and Roll, but faster?
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']No, I'm taking it back. It's okay to say it now.

Macaca.

See? Easy.[/QUOTE]

Oh. Cool. I've been afraid to say "Welcome to America, Mowhawk" in case the person turns out to be a Mohawk Indian, and they get all "We were here before you!" on my ass.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Laura Bush isn't so bad. Kerry's wife is a shrew IMO.

And I realize that doesn't have a damn thing to do with much of anything.[/QUOTE]


She married a Bush by choice, that makes her even worse than a true Bush!
 
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