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[quote name='guyver2077']while i think the theme is ok.. i liked when they came out to the psycho song better[/quote]

I don't even understand what the lyrics are... We be bangin? Bang bang bang-ba-ba-bang? Lame...
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']LAX's music is one of the only TNA themes I don't like. :\[/QUOTE]

I actually think it's one of the best. Others are good, but derivative or damn-near copycats of their WWE themes (Rhino, Christian), some are decent, but have unnecessarily long intros that eat up valuable TV time (Angle, Christian), and some are just 100% fuckin' stoopid (Kilings, AJ Styles, Jeff Jarrett).

What's up?
What's up!
What's up?
What's up!

We've already traveled down that road, of what a dismal rapper Ron Killings is.

I'm dead tired from a night of impromptu roller-reffing in Indianapolis, but I just wanted to gloat to you all that 2 Cold Scorpio is taking on Mike Kruel in OVW tonight on TV! (Kruel has my favorite heel gimmick in some time, playing the USA patriot to the point of being a fervent Bush supporter - it's damn near a bizarro world Hacksaw Jim Duggan)

Egads - Scorpio is wearing his Flash Funk gear.
 
Here are some quick notes from the Observer -
TNA has until the post-May PPV tapings to decide what they're going to do with the "NWA" title situation. Team 3D will likely win the tag belts at Lockdown so they can be promoted as former WCW, ECW, WWE, and NWA tag champs.

The NWA plans on copying ROH by having their major shows be built around great matches and hope to make money on them via DVD. They also want Danielson to be NWA champ so he can defend it in NOAH and ROH.

The cover story deals with the SI steroid issue and goes over who is alleged to have taken what, and what those substances are used for. HHH was at Skaaland's funeral and walked without a cane or crutch. Vickie Guerrero as GM probably won't happen, and her character might be dropped entirely.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm dead tired from a night of impromptu roller-reffing in Indianapolis, but I just wanted to gloat to you all that 2 Cold Scorpio is taking on Mike Kruel in OVW tonight on TV! (Kruel has my favorite heel gimmick in some time, playing the USA patriot to the point of being a fervent Bush supporter - it's damn near a bizarro world Hacksaw Jim Duggan)

Egads - Scorpio is wearing his Flash Funk gear.[/quote]

Yeah, but I don't ever remember him coming out dressed as a pimp like he was last night.
 
So Timbaland and Ludacris are supposed to make appearances at WM, yet WWE has decided not to advertise this because... they believe that would lower buyrates?

Fits nicely with some of their last minute booking though, Armageddon comes to mind :roll:
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Yeah, but I don't ever remember him coming out dressed as a pimp like he was last night.[/QUOTE]

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You don't remember that? Truth be told, looking at his image gallery, I don't remember him being a part of the WWF iteration of the JOB Squad.

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An unflattering picture of him from last night's TV. The shocking heel turn of Boris Alexiev has, without a doubt, shocked me more than anything wrestling related on TV recently.
 
So... WM23, continues to leave me with very low expectations going into the event, which is just not cool.

Right now there's only 8 scheduled matches, that's god awful with a roster so large. Flair & Carlito, Nitro, as well as, Londrick should be given some sort of matches for the show. Leaving Flair off the WM card would be like leaving Shaq out of the all-star game, sure he's past his prime, but he's earned that spot.

Anyhow, for historical comparison, the last time a WM, had this few matches was WM14, however, you had solid matches between HBK and Austin, Rock vs Shamrock, A much younger Taker vs Kane, HHH vs Owen, and NAO vs Foley/Funk. This year's card looks like a joke in comparison to that.

WM12 had even less at 6, but they also had an iron match...

WM11, easily the worst WM of all time had 7, and pretty much nothing going for it, I don't think even Stephanie could replicate a WM so awful. Bam Bam vs LT in the main event? Give me a break.

On the other end of the spectrum WM 5, 6 and 7 each had 14 matches. All with some very good stuff on the card too. Some of the best WM's too, in fact 5 may be the best WM, as far as build up - which began at WM4, and a fantastic title match.

WM 4, another great WM, had the most matches of all with 17.

I'm not saying more matches automatically equals a better WM, but only 8 is kind of a joke with Vince's over-inflated roster. Very weak.
 
8 is weak since it's a four-hour event, and you know they'll breeze through those first 3-4 matches in the first hour, since WWE main event matches rarely run over 25 minutes (which makes them about 40-45 with video caps, introductions, etc.), the first few will be 8-minute wonders.

I'm not ordering it, and I don't have high hopes (but I'm really willing to bet 'Taker can - make Batista look like a million bucks), but I hope for the sake of those going that it will be fun.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Are they advertising it as 4 hours again? If so, 8 is a little weak.[/quote]
Yeah, they're starting it at 7 again this year. It sucks for me cause cable's charging $50 for it. No way in hell am I paying that much for 8 matches.

Myke, guess I don't remember that much of him back in the WWF days. All I remember is him coming out in the jumpsuit. Also, yeah, he was part of the JOB Squad from Nov. '98 - Feb. '99. He was released right before the St. Valentine's Day Massacre PPV so they would have enough money to sign the Big Show from WCW(I remember they even mentioned that in his release story, ah, the good olde days when wwe.com was filled with real news).
 
I'm extremely stoked that they're going to have KENTA and Marufuji at the May 12th ROH show. I love both of those guys so I have extremely high expectations for the show. I can't wait! :)
 
[quote name='Brak']I thought Scorpio wrestled and lived in Germany, these days.[/quote]
Don't know about where he lives, but they said last night that he's been wrestling in Japan for the past two years. Pretty much that's where all the old WWE wrestlers go when no company in the US wants them(it's where Vader spends most of his time wrestling now).
 
scorpio was in noah for a while but signed up with wwe last year..

in other news jeff jarret was at the local hard rock for shaqs bday party in hollywood last night...
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Don't know about where he lives, but they said last night that he's been wrestling in Japan for the past two years. Pretty much that's where all the old WWE wrestlers go when no company in the US wants them(it's where Vader spends most of his time wrestling now).[/QUOTE]
2 Cold Scorpio is more of an ECW man, in my eyes.
 
Nope. He signed a WWE contract a year or so ago, prompting a collective "Whaa?" from the wrestling community. Subsequently, he hasn't really been used at all since that contract, prompting a response of "Oh." from the wrestling community.

They'll, bare minimum, use him as Flash Funk to put over some major giant wrestler (Umaga?) in the next few months, then quietly release him.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nope. He signed a WWE contract a year or so ago, prompting a collective "Whaa?" from the wrestling community. Subsequently, he hasn't really been used at all since that contract, prompting a response of "Oh." from the wrestling community.

They'll, bare minimum, use him as Flash Funk to put over some major giant wrestler (Umaga?) in the next few months, then quietly release him.[/QUOTE]
Yuck.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']they better not bring back stupid flash funk!!! its scorpio bitches!~~~[/QUOTE]
A black wrestler in the WWE without some stupid gimmick?

Unheard of!

(Lashley doesn't count. I guaran-fuckin'-tee the term "Black Goldberg" was spoken, by McMahon, during the Bobby Lashley packaging process.)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']flash and mvp would make an awesome team![/QUOTE]
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Uh.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']IGN has their top 20 Wrestlemania matches. Got to agree with their #1(quality-wise).
http://sports.ign.com/articles/775/775590p1.html[/QUOTE]

My personal #1 is Hogan-Warrior for hype, buildup, and execution, and either the WMX ladder match (Razor/Shawn) or HBK/Jericho from WMXIX for workrate.

EDIT: I typed this before checking out IGN's list, so we'll see how it holds up.
 
To those talking about the number of Mania matches, WM21, which I attended, only had 8 matches that were televised on the PPV, not counting the pre-show battle royal.

My favorite Mania match also took place at that show. Actually, it's my favorite match of all time: Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels. It didn't even make that shitty top 20 list.
 
Steve Austin vs. HBK is my personal favorite. It was pretty obvious who was going to win, but Tyson's inclusion clouded things a bit. I also really gained a lot of respect for Michaels after seeing him clearly work through all the pain and at the time, it seemed like it would be his last match ever. It was right after that match (and because of it, I think) that the WWF really started to cook.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I actually think it's one of the best. Others are good, but derivative or damn-near copycats of their WWE themes (Rhino, Christian), some are decent, but have unnecessarily long intros that eat up valuable TV time (Angle, Christian), and some are just 100% fuckin' stoopid (Kilings, AJ Styles, Jeff Jarrett).

What's up?
What's up!
What's up?
What's up!

We've already traveled down that road, of what a dismal rapper Ron Killings is.

I'm dead tired from a night of impromptu roller-reffing in Indianapolis, but I just wanted to gloat to you all that 2 Cold Scorpio is taking on Mike Kruel in OVW tonight on TV! (Kruel has my favorite heel gimmick in some time, playing the USA patriot to the point of being a fervent Bush supporter - it's damn near a bizarro world Hacksaw Jim Duggan)

Egads - Scorpio is wearing his Flash Funk gear.[/quote]
Dude we must have completely different tastes. Five of the guys that you listed (Angle, Mr. Cage, Killing, Styles, and Jarrett) have some of my favorite TNA themes hands down.

I'm starting to prefer Angle's new theme to his WWE theme. Same with Christian. I'm still getting used to Styles' new theme and I always thought Jarrett had one of the best ones in the company. Killings' does kind of sound cheesy, but you gotta admit, it is catchy.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Dude we must have completely different tastes. Five of the guys that you listed (Angle, Mr. Cage, Killing, Styles, and Jarrett) have some of my favorite TNA themes hands down.

I'm starting to prefer Angle's new theme to his WWE theme. Same with Christian. I'm still getting used to Styles' new theme and I always thought Jarrett had one of the best ones in the company. Killings' does kind of sound cheesy, but you gotta admit, it is catchy.[/quote]

lay off gramps.. he's old school
 
[quote name='guyver2077']lay off gramps.. he's old school[/QUOTE]

Which one is he, Statler or Waldorf?
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Most of that list is right, just in the wrong order.[/quote]

Agreed.

Austin/Bret at #1? Gimme a break... there's some people that worship Bret Hart too much, he was good, but he wasn't that good. If he was so damn great, why was wrestling in such a major slump when he was the WWE's top draw?

[quote name='mykevermin']My personal #1 is Hogan-Warrior for hype, buildup, and execution, and either the WMX ladder match (Razor/Shawn) or HBK/Jericho from WMXIX for workrate.

EDIT: I typed this before checking out IGN's list, so we'll see how it holds up.[/quote]

My favorite remains the "explosion of the MegaPowers" the build up was classic and drawn out over the course of a year, actually more since Hogan was behind Savage when he won the title at WM IV, was he not? Hogan always having to be involved in the spotlight in some fashion.

[quote name='Matt Young']To those talking about the number of Mania matches, WM21, which I attended, only had 8 matches that were televised on the PPV, not counting the pre-show battle royal.

My favorite Mania match also took place at that show. Actually, it's my favorite match of all time: Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels. It didn't even make that shitty top 20 list.[/quote]

I did somehow miss that, I counted the battle royal as an actual match and not a dark match. There was that extended Piper's Pit/Stone Cold segment, but honestly... did you really go to WM hoping to see that? Or Big Show vs Akebono :roll:

I'm really hoping they add some sort of tag team battle royal, or Londrick vs MNM to the card. Seems very odd that neither tag belts could end up being defended. If the writers had any intelligence, and Cena vs HBK was the main event of the card, they'd have them pull double duty and beat some tag team to open the show and retain the belts. Just a quick warm-up for them both with no dangerous spots.


HEY!!! We're only 20 posts away from finishing Jake's topic, assuming no other wrestlers die. Yikes.

... or did we want to go to 2000 posts for 2 wrestlers?
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']HEY!!! We're only 20 posts away from finishing Jake's topic, assuming no other wrestlers die. Yikes.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why.... but I have a bad feeeeeeeeeeeling we are going to lose another wrestler this week. I have *that* feeling ya know.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Agreed.

Austin/Bret at #1? Gimme a break... there's some people that worship Bret Hart too much, he was good, but he wasn't that good. If he was so damn great, why was wrestling in such a major slump when he was the WWE's top draw?


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You really are putting too much blame on Bret for the downturn in interest in wrestling at that time. The steriod issue and bodybuilding had to hurt business a lot as Vince could not concentrate on his core business as much due to these problems. Plus Vince got rid of a lot of the people who made the company popular when he went for his youth movement instead of slowly integrating the youth to the top of the card. Also a lot of people think wrestling goes in cycles so the downturn after it was so hot could fall in line with that theory.

And Jake will have to take a little bit more of a break as KaneRobot has dibs on the next topic.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You really are putting too much blame on Bret for the downturn in interest in wrestling at that time. The steriod issue and bodybuilding had to hurt business a lot as Vince could not concentrate on his core business as much due to these problems. Plus Vince got rid of a lot of the people who made the company popular when he went for his youth movement instead of slowly integrating the youth to the top of the card. Also a lot of people think wrestling goes in cycles so the downturn after it was so hot could fall in line with that theory.

And Jake will have to take a little bit more of a break as KaneRobot has dibs on the next topic.[/quote]

:whistle2:s you don't want to un-lock the previously started Jake topic before starting another new one?

As for Bret, I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but he didn't draw like Austin/Rock, he didn't draw like Hogan/Savage, he didn't draw like the nWo, yet among much of the IWC he's God, not a God, but God, and I just don't get it.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:whistle2:s you don't want to un-lock the previously started Jake topic before starting another new one?

As for Bret, I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but he didn't draw like Austin/Rock, he didn't draw like Hogan/Savage, he didn't draw like the nWo, yet among much of the IWC he's God, not a God, but God, and I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]

I will right after KaneRobot has his turn. He mentioned his desire to do a topic months ago when he got tickets to Wrestlemania and so I think that since this is the week leading up to Mania that he should go ahead and get his topic before we go back to the Snake.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']As for Bret, I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but he didn't draw like Austin/Rock, he didn't draw like Hogan/Savage, he didn't draw like the nWo, yet among much of the IWC he's God, not a God, but God, and I just don't get it.[/quote]

I think it's because many of us here (and possibly the IWC in general) were in our formative years when Bret was at the height of his career. So I suppose that's why he's looked back at so fondly.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I will right after KaneRobot has his turn. He mentioned his desire to do a topic months ago when he got tickets to Wrestlemania and so I think that since this is the week leading up to Mania that he should go ahead and get his topic before we go back to the Snake.[/quote]

Ya, I'd like to see a WM topic. Maybe he should make it the "Wrestlemania 23 topic" and get a picture of him and I at WM. Then we can take various pictures of the rest of you laughing at us for going to a WM with such a questionable card.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Ya, I'd like to see a WM topic. Maybe he should make it the "Wrestlemania 23 topic" and get a picture of him and I at WM. Then we can take various pictures of the rest of you laughing at us for going to a WM with such a questionable card.[/quote]

I'm willing to bet it's going to be...

Kane's wrestling topic
 
That'd be too predictable! I have always wanted to do a Kane topic though, I just thought I'd catch flack from Kane haters. The guy deserved better though, should've got a real title run.

[quote name='2Fast']I think it's because many of us here (and possibly the IWC in general) were in our formative years when Bret was at the height of his career. So I suppose that's why he's looked back at so fondly.[/quote]

Ya, perhaps that's why I recall Hogan & Savage so fondly, as I was an 80s child.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']That'd be too predictable! I have always wanted to do a Kane topic though, I just thought I'd catch flack from Kane haters. The guy deserved better though, should've got a real title run.[/QUOTE]

You know I won't complain too much about a Kane topic.
 
Working on it now. I'll put it up before I go to bed tonight.

Horse, I'll PM you this week, maybe we can meet up. I'll ride you around the concession area and we can get pictures.


And I definitely think Kane should get a topic down the line. His best years are behind him, but he's still been a mostly entertaining fixture for the past decade.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']
As for Bret, I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but he didn't draw like Austin/Rock, he didn't draw like Hogan/Savage, he didn't draw like the nWo, yet among much of the IWC he's God, not a God, but God, and I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]
It's because amongst Austin, Rock, Hogan, Savage, or the nWo, Bret Hart was the first "small" champion that could wrestle. It's not because of his drawing power, it's because Bret Hart represents the shift from the cartoony champions to athletic champions. The IWC is full of smarky kids who'd rather see an hour long wrestling match than see an epic Hogan/Warrior match, and Bret Hart represents that attitude much more than he does the WWF of the '80's.
 
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