Barry Bonds* breaks the all time home run record*
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man wtf is up with you ppl.....
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[quote name='guyver2077']man wtf is up with you ppl.....[/QUOTE]
speaking for myself, my problem is two fold, one he is one of the biggest asses in the game right now, he has had many opportunities to be a good guy or a nice, hell he could just keep his mouth shut, but he doesn't. You would think someone who plays a game for a living would be a more joyful person.
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
speaking for myself, my problem is two fold, one he is one of the biggest asses in the game right now, he has had many opportunities to be a good guy or a nice, hell he could just keep his mouth shut, but he doesn't. You would think someone who plays a game for a living would be a more joyful person.
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Wonder how much that ball will sell for, lucky bastard who caught it.
Easily a 5 million dollar ball.[/QUOTE]
It might be but the whole deal with the #73 home run ball kinda broke the million dollar ball mark. For those who don't know about it. Two guys claimed they caught the ball. Went to court over it, and then they both won ownership. End up selling at auction for $450,000 because people excepted to be worth millions. Those who had the money to buy it said "
you I'm not paying what you expect. I'm paying what I want."
Which is the same thing that will happen to this ball.
Easily a 5 million dollar ball.[/QUOTE]
It might be but the whole deal with the #73 home run ball kinda broke the million dollar ball mark. For those who don't know about it. Two guys claimed they caught the ball. Went to court over it, and then they both won ownership. End up selling at auction for $450,000 because people excepted to be worth millions. Those who had the money to buy it said "
you I'm not paying what you expect. I'm paying what I want." Which is the same thing that will happen to this ball.
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[quote name='Graystone']It might be but the whole deal with the #73 home run ball kinda broke the million dollar ball mark. For those who don't know about it. Two guys claimed they caught the ball. Went to court over it, and then they both won ownership. End up selling at auction for $450,000 because people excepted to be worth millions. Those who had the money to buy it said " you I'm not paying what you expect. I'm paying what I want."
Which is the same thing that will happen to this ball.[/QUOTE]
Home runs per year is one thing, all time home runs is another. This ball will be worth a fortune, and someone will be paying an assload for this.
According to ESPN Mark McGwire's 70th went for 3 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=070807/homeruns
you I'm not paying what you expect. I'm paying what I want." Which is the same thing that will happen to this ball.[/QUOTE]
Home runs per year is one thing, all time home runs is another. This ball will be worth a fortune, and someone will be paying an assload for this.
According to ESPN Mark McGwire's 70th went for 3 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=070807/homeruns
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[quote name='Magehart']and all you ing haters in here. How often do you ATTEND a god damn baseball game? Before you start shooting your mouths off lets hear how often you support the game.[/QUOTE] All the time. And my team is the Royals.
So, again, Bonds.
ing haters in here. How often do you ATTEND a god damn baseball game? Before you start shooting your mouths off lets hear how often you support the game.[/QUOTE] All the time. And my team is the Royals.So, again,
Bonds.[quote name='Calamityuponthee']Home runs per year is one thing, all time home runs is another. This ball will be worth a fortune, and someone
According to ESPN Mark McGwire's 70th went for 3 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=070807/homeruns[/QUOTE]
Right but when Bonds broke McGwire's home run record the #73 ball only went for $450,000.
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, the only good thing is that hopefully AROD will break it before his career is up.[/QUOTE]
A nicer guy are you serious? Bonds is one of the worst players when it comes to public relations.
[quote name='bigdaddy']Yes because a cheater now holds the record, so why would people shut up? Now there will be talk for decades on how the books should be writen about the record.[/QUOTE]
We can't pass judgement on what we don't know. Hell for all we know the Great Bambino was on horse roids. Which I doubt cause he was a huge man, in a time of skinny farm players.
[quote name='Whambamm']I'm a hater of Bonds and I know more about baseball than at least 98% of the people here. [/QUOTE]
Nice assumption.
Could've just said I know a lot about baseball instead of assuming you know more then everyone.
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Finally. Now it's time to hype up A-Rod until he breaks the record.
I still hope Ken Griffey Jr. can keep going and take the record from Bonds.[/QUOTE]
Long live the Griff. If he wasn't injured for those 5 years he would've broken the record.
According to ESPN Mark McGwire's 70th went for 3 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=070807/homeruns[/QUOTE]
Right but when Bonds broke McGwire's home run record the #73 ball only went for $450,000.
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, the only good thing is that hopefully AROD will break it before his career is up.[/QUOTE]
A nicer guy are you serious? Bonds is one of the worst players when it comes to public relations.
[quote name='bigdaddy']Yes because a cheater now holds the record, so why would people shut up? Now there will be talk for decades on how the books should be writen about the record.[/QUOTE]
We can't pass judgement on what we don't know. Hell for all we know the Great Bambino was on horse roids. Which I doubt cause he was a huge man, in a time of skinny farm players.
[quote name='Whambamm']I'm a hater of Bonds and I know more about baseball than at least 98% of the people here. [/QUOTE]
Nice assumption.
Could've just said I know a lot about baseball instead of assuming you know more then everyone.[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Finally. Now it's time to hype up A-Rod until he breaks the record.
I still hope Ken Griffey Jr. can keep going and take the record from Bonds.[/QUOTE]
Long live the Griff. If he wasn't injured for those 5 years he would've broken the record.
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']speaking for myself, my problem is two fold, one he is one of the biggest asses in the game right now, he has had many opportunities to be a good guy or a nice, hell he could just keep his mouth shut, but he doesn't. You would think someone who plays a game for a living would be a more joyful person.
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
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maybe he began eating his wheaties?
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
maybe he began eating his wheaties?
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I don't see why he should be a nice guy when everyone in the world treats him like some kind of cheating antichrist. I guess no one else has ever been a dick at any point in their lives.
This is the steroid era, and until he actually fails a major league drug test then he shouldn't be condemned. I guess the only guys who have taken steroids are guys who put on mass and hit home runs? Does anyone really think they weren't cheating throughout baseball history? Of course they were.
People just make a big deal about shit now because this whole god damn generation loves nothing more than to tear people down.
Congrats Barry! I don't give a shit how you did it, but you did it and it's one of the most impressive sports accomplishments i have ever seen.
This is the steroid era, and until he actually fails a major league drug test then he shouldn't be condemned. I guess the only guys who have taken steroids are guys who put on mass and hit home runs? Does anyone really think they weren't cheating throughout baseball history? Of course they were.
People just make a big deal about shit now because this whole god damn generation loves nothing more than to tear people down.
Congrats Barry! I don't give a shit how you did it, but you did it and it's one of the most impressive sports accomplishments i have ever seen.
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[quote name='Magehart']I love that "Maybe he's a New York Giants fan"
and all youing haters in here. How often do you ATTEND a god damn baseball game? Before you start shooting your mouths off lets hear how often you support the game.[/QUOTE]
'bout 10-12 games per season; I live about a half-mile from Great American. Though, with the Reds of late, it's up for debate whether or not that counts as "baseball."
So, get off your imaginary high horse and don't act like you're the only person who ever heard of baseball; your condescension would be just fine if you were the only person who really knew a lot about, say, the lost art of the Lithuanian pan flute, amongst a crowd of pretenders to the throne who knew nothing about said pan flute.
But this ising *BASEBALL*. you for being an irreverent ass.
"HAY GUYS HOW MANY OF YOU DRIVE CARS I BET NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT CARS SO STUFF YOUR OPINIONS!"
Really?
Really.
[quote name='gunm']The whole controversy just makes Aaron's record all the more immortal.[/QUOTE]
I want to agree, but the record to beat is Bonds. Not because Bonds is #1 (which is typically the case with record breaking), but because people generally hate to see Bonds in first place. So, if Bonds retires with 794 Home Runs, then 795 is what matters for the next guy, not 756. So, change the motivation for a moment (put Bonds out of his undeserved spot on the top, rather than simply exist and share a rare historic moment where a record is broken or challenged), but that, IMO, is about the only thing that changed.
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I still hope Ken Griffey Jr. can keep going and take the record from Bonds.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. As a Reds fan, I just don't like Griffey. I should, but I don't. IMO, the only thing going for him is that he isn't Eric Milton. I don't think he has enough years in the game left to catch up to Bonds. A-Rod will take it pretty handily in the next 7 or so years, though.
and all you
ing haters in here. How often do you ATTEND a god damn baseball game? Before you start shooting your mouths off lets hear how often you support the game.[/QUOTE]'bout 10-12 games per season; I live about a half-mile from Great American. Though, with the Reds of late, it's up for debate whether or not that counts as "baseball."
So, get off your imaginary high horse and don't act like you're the only person who ever heard of baseball; your condescension would be just fine if you were the only person who really knew a lot about, say, the lost art of the Lithuanian pan flute, amongst a crowd of pretenders to the throne who knew nothing about said pan flute.
But this is
ing *BASEBALL*. you for being an irreverent ass."HAY GUYS HOW MANY OF YOU DRIVE CARS I BET NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT CARS SO STUFF YOUR OPINIONS!"
Really?
Really.
[quote name='gunm']The whole controversy just makes Aaron's record all the more immortal.[/QUOTE]
I want to agree, but the record to beat is Bonds. Not because Bonds is #1 (which is typically the case with record breaking), but because people generally hate to see Bonds in first place. So, if Bonds retires with 794 Home Runs, then 795 is what matters for the next guy, not 756. So, change the motivation for a moment (put Bonds out of his undeserved spot on the top, rather than simply exist and share a rare historic moment where a record is broken or challenged), but that, IMO, is about the only thing that changed.
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I still hope Ken Griffey Jr. can keep going and take the record from Bonds.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. As a Reds fan, I just don't like Griffey. I should, but I don't. IMO, the only thing going for him is that he isn't Eric Milton. I don't think he has enough years in the game left to catch up to Bonds. A-Rod will take it pretty handily in the next 7 or so years, though.
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Barry Bonds has admitted to taking steroids. Why this issue is even an issue is beyond me, the man admitted he cheated, what is there to argue about?
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[quote name='hohez']Congrats Barry! I don't give a shit how you did it, but you did it and it's one of the most impressive sports accomplishments i have ever seen.[/QUOTE]Why is it impressive at all? Any human being on Earth, regardless of age or gender, could easily have done it with access to the same pharmaceuticals Bonds used. You could be the record holder if you had the money to buy the drugs.
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[quote name='jmcc']Why is it impressive at all? Any human being on Earth, regardless of age or gender, could easily have done it with access to the same pharmaceuticals Bonds used. You could be the record holder if you had the money to buy the drugs.[/quote]Not really. You would still need the hand-eye coordination necessary to hit Major League pitching.
[quote name='jmcc']Why is it impressive at all? Any human being on Earth, regardless of age or gender, could easily have done it with access to the same pharmaceuticals Bonds used. You could be the record holder if you had the money to buy the drugs.[/QUOTE]
I see what you're getting at....but no.
I see what you're getting at....but no.
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[quote name='galvatron2k1']I would have to believe I'm in that 98th percential too. I still play softball (hardball leagues are just not readily available for people older than the NCAA level in our city), own more baseball books and videos/DVDs than you could imagine and go at least twice a year to games. I would go to more, but I am not an Indians fan and I live in Cleveland. But I still support on a very small scale.
Having said that, it's definately controversial what Bonds has accomplished. However, I can't penalize this man for breaking a record while allegedly being on the juice. If that is the case, we need to start adding asterisks and erasing records farther back than just his (at the very least starting with the Incredible Hulk that everybody loved, Mark McGwire). I just love the fact that Barry is an asshole to everybody - mind you - they are pretty hard on him as well. At least he gives the proper respect to most of the players that play the game.
If you want to meet a true asshole, look up Albert Belle or Omar Vizquel for that matter - IMO. Might as well lump Bud Selig in that mix. He might not be a jerk but he is one dumbass commissioner. Case and point - even letting the thought cross his mind of putting spiderwebs on the bases (Spiderman 2 promo) makes him dumb as shit. He should preserve the game and show up and acknowlege Barry's new record (by standing and clapping) even if he is juicing.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Also people act like steroids haven't been a part of the game for over 30 years, and before that greenies were used by damn near everyone. Cheating has always been apart of baseball and if everyone else is cheating and taking money out of your pocket, wouldn't you do the same?
And jmcc, Bonds had three MVP's before he even started using the juice and was one of the best players already of this era.
Having said that, it's definately controversial what Bonds has accomplished. However, I can't penalize this man for breaking a record while allegedly being on the juice. If that is the case, we need to start adding asterisks and erasing records farther back than just his (at the very least starting with the Incredible Hulk that everybody loved, Mark McGwire). I just love the fact that Barry is an asshole to everybody - mind you - they are pretty hard on him as well. At least he gives the proper respect to most of the players that play the game.
If you want to meet a true asshole, look up Albert Belle or Omar Vizquel for that matter - IMO. Might as well lump Bud Selig in that mix. He might not be a jerk but he is one dumbass commissioner. Case and point - even letting the thought cross his mind of putting spiderwebs on the bases (Spiderman 2 promo) makes him dumb as shit. He should preserve the game and show up and acknowlege Barry's new record (by standing and clapping) even if he is juicing.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Also people act like steroids haven't been a part of the game for over 30 years, and before that greenies were used by damn near everyone. Cheating has always been apart of baseball and if everyone else is cheating and taking money out of your pocket, wouldn't you do the same?
And jmcc, Bonds had three MVP's before he even started using the juice and was one of the best players already of this era.
Since I've done some voice work, I had toyed with the idea of pre-recording my own play-by-play announcer call for the event and releasing it when it happened. It would have run something like this:
"Two and Two the count, Barry Bonds waits for the next pitch, and here it comes...fast ball and...Bonds CREAMS it! He CREAMS it! That ball just SHOT UP and it went CLEAR over the left field wall before crashing down like an aSTEROID. And a surprised child just dropped his drink as it comes down, JUICING everyone in a scramble for the ball. Ohhh boy, they're going to have to BULK UP security for that fan."
"Two and Two the count, Barry Bonds waits for the next pitch, and here it comes...fast ball and...Bonds CREAMS it! He CREAMS it! That ball just SHOT UP and it went CLEAR over the left field wall before crashing down like an aSTEROID. And a surprised child just dropped his drink as it comes down, JUICING everyone in a scramble for the ball. Ohhh boy, they're going to have to BULK UP security for that fan."
[quote name='CaseyRyback']And jmcc, Bonds had three MVP's before he even started using the juice and was one of the best players already of this era.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, of course he was. Not many people are claiming that Barry Bonds wasn't a hall-of-famer player that only performed because of steroids. Steroids don't make you a great player, they just allow you to hit balls harder. Barry Bonds was already a phenomenal baseball player who was very capable of hitting home runs, but the steroids allowed some of those long fly balls to turn into home runs, allowing him to hit probably an extra 100-200 home runs.
Well, yeah, of course he was. Not many people are claiming that Barry Bonds wasn't a hall-of-famer player that only performed because of steroids. Steroids don't make you a great player, they just allow you to hit balls harder. Barry Bonds was already a phenomenal baseball player who was very capable of hitting home runs, but the steroids allowed some of those long fly balls to turn into home runs, allowing him to hit probably an extra 100-200 home runs.
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[quote name='botticus']If that's the case, might as well just asterisk every player in the league. And anyone who played within the last hundred years or so.[/QUOTE]
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Not go up three sizes.
Most people's feet stop growing when they get past puberty.
Not go up three sizes.
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the craziness that was the rightfield bleachers when the ball was trying to be caught
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/media]
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/media]
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']the craziness that was the rightfield bleachers when the ball was trying to be caught
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/QUOTE]
I feel bad for all those kids that were there. I hope they didn't get hurt from this.
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/QUOTE]
I feel bad for all those kids that were there. I hope they didn't get hurt from this.
the controversy is bullshit. we all know theres tons of people who juice in sports and if they want to single him out then lets go through the record books and single out everyone. the fact is and yeah people dont want to admit this but alot of this is racially motivated. theyre using him to deflect the view off of sports as a whole when in reality alot of people do the shit. is it right no but if hes going to be held up to ridicule then everyone should.
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']speaking for myself, my problem is two fold, one he is one of the biggest asses in the game right now, he has had many opportunities to be a good guy or a nice, hell he could just keep his mouth shut, but he doesn't. You would think someone who plays a game for a living would be a more joyful person.
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
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well about 20 years for one thing. im not saying he didnt take steroids, maybe he did, maybe he didnt. maybe he really just thought he was taking GNC kinda stuff, new steroids are crazy, you dont need to inject anymore.
but to say he hit homeruns because of steroids is idiotic. were talking about a 14 time all-star, 8 time gold glove, 12 time silver slugger, 7 time MVP, only guy with 500 homers and 500 stolen bases, 13 consecutive seasons with 30 or more homers, i mean hes good. he was good before, and hes still good. id expect him to move to an AL team pretty soon and just be a DH, his knees just arent what they used to be.
Secondly even if you don't think he is taking steroids, you are naive to think he was taking nothing. Peoples' heads don't grow bigger naturally. He was shaving his head and needed a bigger helmet. He was a hall of famer before he started taking something. He ogred himself to hit home runs, I know you might say just because you juice doesn't mean you can hit home runs, but if you already had a good swing it helps you crush the ball.
At least next week hopefully they will stop talking about this shit.
Ohh and see if you notice anything different between these two pictures
well about 20 years for one thing. im not saying he didnt take steroids, maybe he did, maybe he didnt. maybe he really just thought he was taking GNC kinda stuff, new steroids are crazy, you dont need to inject anymore.
but to say he hit homeruns because of steroids is idiotic. were talking about a 14 time all-star, 8 time gold glove, 12 time silver slugger, 7 time MVP, only guy with 500 homers and 500 stolen bases, 13 consecutive seasons with 30 or more homers, i mean hes good. he was good before, and hes still good. id expect him to move to an AL team pretty soon and just be a DH, his knees just arent what they used to be.
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[quote name='lokizz']the controversy is bullshit. we all know theres tons of people who juice in sports and if they want to single him out then lets go through the record books and single out everyone. the fact is and yeah people dont want to admit this but alot of this is racially motivated. theyre using him to deflect the view off of sports as a whole when in reality alot of people do the shit. is it right no but if hes going to be held up to ridicule then everyone should.[/QUOTE]
No, the picking and choosing is bullshit. Let's celebrate a player who has already testified he used steriods (albeit 'unintentionally'), yet let's crucify someone who may or may not have used steroids but has no idea how to testify in front of congress.
The fact of the matter is the only people we KNOW have used steriods are Barry, Rafael, Canseco and anyone else who has actually tested positive.
No, the picking and choosing is bullshit. Let's celebrate a player who has already testified he used steriods (albeit 'unintentionally'), yet let's crucify someone who may or may not have used steroids but has no idea how to testify in front of congress.
The fact of the matter is the only people we KNOW have used steriods are Barry, Rafael, Canseco and anyone else who has actually tested positive.
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[quote name='lokizz']the controversy is bullshit. we all know theres tons of people who juice in sports and if they want to single him out then lets go through the record books and single out everyone. the fact is and yeah people dont want to admit this but alot of this is racially motivated. theyre using him to deflect the view off of sports as a whole when in reality alot of people do the shit. is it right no but if hes going to be held up to ridicule then everyone should.[/quote]
QFT. Finally somebody gets it. I realize Bonds is in the limelight because he broke a record but come on now. Did Sosa or McGwire go through the same thing? For Christ's sake, when McGwire was breaking the single season homer record, they accused him of "Andro". And even said it was legal when he used it. LOL...
It doesn't shock me that there is a huge court/FBI fiasco over this man and the Balco sting. It's a shame that grand juries and everything else are involved. If Bonds is proven to take steroids, I think he might be the ONLY person in any sport that has juiced that might face actual jail time... And why? Because he didn't admit it???
As a comparison, last week, Ryan Tucker (a right tackle for the Cleveland Browns) was caught juicing and got a 4 game suspension. No investigation, no court case, no controversy, no 24/7 media, just 4 games. Yet, the media is so controversial about Bonds??? This whole fiasco is just plain garbage. Asterisk every stat and just start over when they clean up the mess.
Edit - Sosa is Dominican, but he went through his fair share of controversy too. But nowhere near Bonds is... I think race has a huge contribution to the issue, but there are other issues why they are attacking Bonds other than other players as well.
QFT. Finally somebody gets it. I realize Bonds is in the limelight because he broke a record but come on now. Did Sosa or McGwire go through the same thing? For Christ's sake, when McGwire was breaking the single season homer record, they accused him of "Andro". And even said it was legal when he used it. LOL...
It doesn't shock me that there is a huge court/FBI fiasco over this man and the Balco sting. It's a shame that grand juries and everything else are involved. If Bonds is proven to take steroids, I think he might be the ONLY person in any sport that has juiced that might face actual jail time... And why? Because he didn't admit it???
As a comparison, last week, Ryan Tucker (a right tackle for the Cleveland Browns) was caught juicing and got a 4 game suspension. No investigation, no court case, no controversy, no 24/7 media, just 4 games. Yet, the media is so controversial about Bonds??? This whole fiasco is just plain garbage. Asterisk every stat and just start over when they clean up the mess.
Edit - Sosa is Dominican, but he went through his fair share of controversy too. But nowhere near Bonds is... I think race has a huge contribution to the issue, but there are other issues why they are attacking Bonds other than other players as well.
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This video is awesome and scary at the same time! I have more respect for that Mets fan that either held on or came up with it in the scrum. I thought it was bad enough on TV. That was almost a full fledge riot!
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']the craziness that was the rightfield bleachers when the ball was trying to be caught
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/quote]
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']the craziness that was the rightfield bleachers when the ball was trying to be caught
camera work is a lil crazy, but should be expected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbCXXkym_a8[/quote]
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ill keep it short, i hate him and i hate AROD, the classic greats did it without steroids, it was a feat to break the homerun record, regardless, would have been MUCH more impressive if he didnt take the drugs to get himself to that point at that pace.
..arod is a jerk
..arod is a jerk
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[quote name='CocheseUGA']No, the picking and choosing is bullshit. Let's celebrate a player who has already testified he used steriods (albeit 'unintentionally'), yet let's crucify someone who may or may not have used steroids but has no idea how to testify in front of congress.
The fact of the matter is the only people we KNOW have used steriods are Barry, Rafael, Canseco and anyone else who has actually tested positive.[/quote]
Don't forget Jason Giambi and the late Ken Caminiti as well.
The fact of the matter is the only people we KNOW have used steriods are Barry, Rafael, Canseco and anyone else who has actually tested positive.[/quote]
Don't forget Jason Giambi and the late Ken Caminiti as well.
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[quote name='greydemise']ill keep it short, i hate him and i hate AROD, the classic greats did it without steroids, it was a feat to break the homerun record, regardless, would have been MUCH more impressive if he didnt take the drugs to get himself to that point at that pace.
..arod is a jerk[/quote]
Or so we are led to believe...
..arod is a jerk
[/quote]Or so we are led to believe...
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[quote name='galvatron2k1']QFT. Finally somebody gets it. I realize Bonds is in the limelight because he broke a record but come on now. Did Sosa or McGwire go through the same thing? For Christ's sake, when McGwire was breaking the single season homer record, they accused him of "Andro". And even said it was legal when he used it. LOL...
It doesn't shock me that there is a huge court/FBI fiasco over this man and the Balco sting. It's a shame that grand juries and everything else are involved. If Bonds is proven to take steroids, I think he might be the ONLY person in any sport that has juiced that might face actual jail time... And why? Because he didn't admit it???
As a comparison, last week, Ryan Tucker (a right tackle for the Cleveland Browns) was caught juicing and got a 4 game suspension. No investigation, no court case, no controversy, no 24/7 media, just 4 games. Yet, the media is so controversial about Bonds??? This whole fiasco is just plain garbage. Asterisk every stat and just start over when they clean up the mess.
Edit - Sosa is Dominican, but he went through his fair share of controversy too. But nowhere near Bonds is... I think race has a huge contribution to the issue, but there are other issues why they are attacking Bonds other than other players as well.[/QUOTE]
yea we don't want anyone not white to hold a record, oh wait Hank Aaron is black. Records are much more significant in baseball than any other sport. He is going after probably the greatest record in baseball history. He already has the single season record, which he acquired from McGwire, he didn't get that much scruttiny back then cause no one really talked about steroids, also he was a friendly guy. He got roasted though when he "testified" before congress. Ohh and him getting slammed during his first ballot hall of fame voting shows people are still holding McGwire accountable.
Ohh and no one gives a flying fook about the no name football player because he is a nobody. If he was someone like brady the media would be all over it.
Lying under oath is a punishable offense if it can be proven, so he should face consequences of it.
Stop trying to make it like he is the victim, you act like he's an infallible saint. Him holding the record diminishes the records of Ruth and Aaron, it tarnishes baseball when the truth eventually comes out. I will just be glad when someone breaks his record.
It doesn't shock me that there is a huge court/FBI fiasco over this man and the Balco sting. It's a shame that grand juries and everything else are involved. If Bonds is proven to take steroids, I think he might be the ONLY person in any sport that has juiced that might face actual jail time... And why? Because he didn't admit it???
As a comparison, last week, Ryan Tucker (a right tackle for the Cleveland Browns) was caught juicing and got a 4 game suspension. No investigation, no court case, no controversy, no 24/7 media, just 4 games. Yet, the media is so controversial about Bonds??? This whole fiasco is just plain garbage. Asterisk every stat and just start over when they clean up the mess.
Edit - Sosa is Dominican, but he went through his fair share of controversy too. But nowhere near Bonds is... I think race has a huge contribution to the issue, but there are other issues why they are attacking Bonds other than other players as well.[/QUOTE]
yea we don't want anyone not white to hold a record, oh wait Hank Aaron is black. Records are much more significant in baseball than any other sport. He is going after probably the greatest record in baseball history. He already has the single season record, which he acquired from McGwire, he didn't get that much scruttiny back then cause no one really talked about steroids, also he was a friendly guy. He got roasted though when he "testified" before congress. Ohh and him getting slammed during his first ballot hall of fame voting shows people are still holding McGwire accountable.
Ohh and no one gives a flying fook about the no name football player because he is a nobody. If he was someone like brady the media would be all over it.
Lying under oath is a punishable offense if it can be proven, so he should face consequences of it.
Stop trying to make it like he is the victim, you act like he's an infallible saint. Him holding the record diminishes the records of Ruth and Aaron, it tarnishes baseball when the truth eventually comes out. I will just be glad when someone breaks his record.
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I know nothing about sports. what does the "*" mean?
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']yea we don't want anyone not white to hold a record, oh wait Hank Aaron is black. Records are much more significant in baseball than any other sport. He is going after probably the greatest record in baseball history. He already has the single season record, which he acquired from McGwire, he didn't get that much scruttiny back then cause no one really talked about steroids, also he was a friendly guy. He got roasted though when he "testified" before congress. Ohh and him getting slammed during his first ballot hall of fame voting shows people are still holding McGwire accountable.
Ohh and no one gives a flying fook about the no name football player because he is a nobody. If he was someone like brady the media would be all over it.
Lying under oath is a punishable offense if it can be proven, so he should face consequences of it.
Stop trying to make it like he is the victim, you act like he's an infallible saint. Him holding the record diminishes the records of Ruth and Aaron, it tarnishes baseball when the truth eventually comes out. I will just be glad when someone breaks his record.[/quote]
We can get into Hank Aaron's racial issues when he broke it too, but that's for a different thread. As for nobody white being able to hold a record, are youing kidding? 2 of the most impressive feats to me in baseball are Pete Rose's hit record and Joe Dimaggio's hit streak. They trump the home run record in my eyes because these records aren't even approachable right now - maybe ever!
All I'm saying is McGwire was not taking heat like Barry is... Big deal, he didn't get in first ballot. Shocker. No secret that Barry won't either. The media called him on Andro and then backed off and said it was legal when he did it. Um, how about roids??? Now it's swept under the rug...
If they charge Barry with perjury, that's one thing. If they bust him on some steroid shit, then it's an entirely different story. And in any of the footage I have seen to the public, a number of people lied about roids - Palmeiro???
I'm not saying Barry is a saint, but he definately takes it on the chin harder than anyone else.
And Ryan Tucker being a nobody is right. However, does it make it right that he gets off in the media and Barry doesn't, or anybody else for that matter. Wrong is wrong, cheating is cheating. That's what I'm talking about, making exceptions.
Ohh and no one gives a flying fook about the no name football player because he is a nobody. If he was someone like brady the media would be all over it.
Lying under oath is a punishable offense if it can be proven, so he should face consequences of it.
Stop trying to make it like he is the victim, you act like he's an infallible saint. Him holding the record diminishes the records of Ruth and Aaron, it tarnishes baseball when the truth eventually comes out. I will just be glad when someone breaks his record.[/quote]
We can get into Hank Aaron's racial issues when he broke it too, but that's for a different thread. As for nobody white being able to hold a record, are you
ing kidding? 2 of the most impressive feats to me in baseball are Pete Rose's hit record and Joe Dimaggio's hit streak. They trump the home run record in my eyes because these records aren't even approachable right now - maybe ever! All I'm saying is McGwire was not taking heat like Barry is... Big deal, he didn't get in first ballot. Shocker. No secret that Barry won't either. The media called him on Andro and then backed off and said it was legal when he did it. Um, how about roids??? Now it's swept under the rug...
If they charge Barry with perjury, that's one thing. If they bust him on some steroid shit, then it's an entirely different story. And in any of the footage I have seen to the public, a number of people lied about roids - Palmeiro???
I'm not saying Barry is a saint, but he definately takes it on the chin harder than anyone else.
And Ryan Tucker being a nobody is right. However, does it make it right that he gets off in the media and Barry doesn't, or anybody else for that matter. Wrong is wrong, cheating is cheating. That's what I'm talking about, making exceptions.
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And Ryan Tucker being a nobody is right. However, does it make it right that he gets off in the media and Barry doesn't, or anybody else for that matter. Wrong is wrong, cheating is cheating. That's what I'm talking about, making exceptions.[/QUOTE]
If you were caught doping in a high school baseball game should their be the same media coverage, if you were a tour de france champion and you were caught doping should their be the same media coverage, it doesn't matter if you do the same thing as bonds he is famous, one of the most famous people in baseball going after a famous record, of course media coverage is going to increase. When Chase Utley hit into 30 + games in a row media coverage started to increase greatly on espn and he was getting interviewed a ton, imagine if he got up to the 50s. The record is the media coverage, if he was a no nothing minor league scrub people wouldn't give two farts about bonds juicing.
And Ryan Tucker being a nobody is right. However, does it make it right that he gets off in the media and Barry doesn't, or anybody else for that matter. Wrong is wrong, cheating is cheating. That's what I'm talking about, making exceptions.[/QUOTE]
If you were caught doping in a high school baseball game should their be the same media coverage, if you were a tour de france champion and you were caught doping should their be the same media coverage, it doesn't matter if you do the same thing as bonds he is famous, one of the most famous people in baseball going after a famous record, of course media coverage is going to increase. When Chase Utley hit into 30 + games in a row media coverage started to increase greatly on espn and he was getting interviewed a ton, imagine if he got up to the 50s. The record is the media coverage, if he was a no nothing minor league scrub people wouldn't give two farts about bonds juicing.
[quote name='musicnoteless']I know nothing about sports. what does the "*" mean?[/quote]Footnote. Roger Maris' 30-plus year hold on the single-season home run record had a imaginary asterisk next to it, because the year he broke the record, they had lengthened the season to 162 games, whereas Babe Ruth only had 154 games to set the record.
In this case, people are asking for Bonds' record to have a footnote along the lines of "Steroid-induced."
In this case, people are asking for Bonds' record to have a footnote along the lines of "Steroid-induced."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk#Baseball
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Hell, people are even using steriods in golf now, to try and match the power Tiger Woods has off the tee.
[quote name='Magus8472']Meh, he had almost 4000 more at bats than Ruth. But, then again, who cares? At some point, you're inevtiably making a distinction based upon conjecture. Who's to say that Hank Aaron, born thirty years later, wouldn't have been just as juiced as Jose Canseco?
Comparing eras of baseball is as pointless as it is moronic. Just as Aaron had many more at bats than Ruth, he played in a time where baseball had changed to the point of becoming unrecognizable. His record, therefore, isn't so much immortal as it is inextricably tied to the time in which it was set. In short, it's not the record one remembers, but the period it represents.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying, but I don't entirely agree. If comparing eras was as irrelevant as you suggest, then there's no reason to recognize any kind of record, baseball or otherwise, ever.
Aaron's record was also full of controversy to be sure.
Comparing eras of baseball is as pointless as it is moronic. Just as Aaron had many more at bats than Ruth, he played in a time where baseball had changed to the point of becoming unrecognizable. His record, therefore, isn't so much immortal as it is inextricably tied to the time in which it was set. In short, it's not the record one remembers, but the period it represents.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying, but I don't entirely agree. If comparing eras was as irrelevant as you suggest, then there's no reason to recognize any kind of record, baseball or otherwise, ever.
Aaron's record was also full of controversy to be sure.
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']If you were caught doping in a high school baseball game should their be the same media coverage, if you were a tour de france champion and you were caught doping should their be the same media coverage, it doesn't matter if you do the same thing as bonds he is famous, one of the most famous people in baseball going after a famous record, of course media coverage is going to increase. When Chase Utley hit into 30 + games in a row media coverage started to increase greatly on espn and he was getting interviewed a ton, imagine if he got up to the 50s. The record is the media coverage, if he was a no nothing minor league scrub people wouldn't give two farts about bonds juicing.[/quote]
That's not what I am saying. We are talking about major league players period. There are exceptions and why? Because Barry was chasing a record? I acknowlege there are other factors to it, but if you think race isn't an issue with this, then I don't know what to tell you. The only thing I try to compare this too is McGwire because he too was chasing a record. It's funny how ESPN briefly brings his name up and then that's the last you hear of it. He doesn't play anymore, but he did break a hallowed record.
There are others that get free passes too. Jason Giambi. He's noteworthy because he plays in NY. That in itself should get him a ton of media attention. He admitted to it as well. I know he is hurt right now, but before he was hurt, basically forgiven ALREADY.
And just like mentioned earlier in the thread - Canseco, Palmeiro, etc. These are not your under the radar farm names here. These are proven sluggers that have all juiced. How much do you hear of these people? You don't. That's the point. Whenever steroids come up in baseball, Barry's face is shown on the TV. Is Barry the only one juicing?
I bet if A-rod was outted for roids, he'd be all over the TV too. Griffey as well. And why? They haven't broken any "real" records (sorry, I don't include fastest to or youngest to...). They are major and popular superstars of the game though - just like a Giambi, a McGwire, and a Canseco (in his time).
That's not what I am saying. We are talking about major league players period. There are exceptions and why? Because Barry was chasing a record? I acknowlege there are other factors to it, but if you think race isn't an issue with this, then I don't know what to tell you. The only thing I try to compare this too is McGwire because he too was chasing a record. It's funny how ESPN briefly brings his name up and then that's the last you hear of it. He doesn't play anymore, but he did break a hallowed record.
There are others that get free passes too. Jason Giambi. He's noteworthy because he plays in NY. That in itself should get him a ton of media attention. He admitted to it as well. I know he is hurt right now, but before he was hurt, basically forgiven ALREADY.
And just like mentioned earlier in the thread - Canseco, Palmeiro, etc. These are not your under the radar farm names here. These are proven sluggers that have all juiced. How much do you hear of these people? You don't. That's the point. Whenever steroids come up in baseball, Barry's face is shown on the TV. Is Barry the only one juicing?
I bet if A-rod was outted for roids, he'd be all over the TV too. Griffey as well. And why? They haven't broken any "real" records (sorry, I don't include fastest to or youngest to...). They are major and popular superstars of the game though - just like a Giambi, a McGwire, and a Canseco (in his time).
[quote name='jmcc']Why is it impressive at all? Any human being on Earth, regardless of age or gender, could easily have done it with access to the same pharmaceuticals Bonds used. You could be the record holder if you had the money to buy the drugs.[/quote]
*Imagines Mark Lemke hitting 756*
*Imagines Mark Lemke hitting 756*
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[quote name='Tybee']*Imagines Mark Lemke hitting 756*[/QUOTE]
I got his autograph, I'm rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps Keith Lockhart could have afforded a Wii instead of the N64 I sent him, if only he had taken steroids.
I got his autograph, I'm rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps Keith Lockhart could have afforded a Wii instead of the N64 I sent him, if only he had taken steroids.
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