Best WR In The League!?!?!

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Just like the topic states, "Who is the best WR in the NFL". For me it would have to be wither: Randy Moss or T. Owens. My friend says that TO is way better then Moss, but he's a Eagles fan so it's a little bias. This is not a flame war so don't post any flame posts. Thanks!!!
 
Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.

But to answer your question, Marvin Harrison.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.[/quote]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.
 
I'd have to go with Marvin Harrison with the slight edge over TO, who has a slight edge over Moss.

Not flaming, but I don't think K. Johnson is even in the same league as those guys above. Johnson is 2nd tier IMHO.
 
Keyshawn Johnson is not anywhere close to being one of the top WRs in the league. The best WR in the league right now is Randy Moss. Marvin Harrison is a close second.
 
How about the raiders? They cut Brown and are using Rice sparingkly. But sopposedly they have a lot of good young talent. I don't follow the Raiders so I don't know.
 
What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.
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Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth.
 
Oh, and I know that Rice is past his prime and probbaly retiring after this yera or next. But he deserves a nod.

From TMQ at NFL.com

"Rice has 1,521 career receptions. Second-best all-time is 1,101 by Cris Carter: Rice has done 38 percent better than the No. 2 guy. Rice has 22,488 career receiving yards gained. Second best all-time is 14,806 yards by Tim Brown of the Bucs: Rice has done 52 percent better than the No. 2 guy. Rice has 194 career receiving touchdowns. Second best all-time is 130 by Carter: Rice has done 49 percent better than the No. 2 guy. The second best all-time reception streak is 183 games by Art Monk: Rice has done 50 percent better than the No. 2 guy.

These margins are unprecedented. The NFL's all-time leading rusher, Emmitt Smith, has four percent more yards than the No. 2 guy, Barry Sanders. The NBA's all-time leading scorer, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, has four percent more points than the No. 2 guy, Karl Malone. The all-time home run leader, Hank Aaron, has over five percent more homers than the No. 2 guy, Babe Ruth. Few athletes in any sport have ever dominated statistics the way Jerry Rice dominates football receiving numbers.

Is Jerry Rice the best football player ever? You won't hear me object to that statement."
 
Keyshawn is a second tier WR. My team is the Cowboys, but what he does have going for him is his hands. He is a possesion reciever and one of the best in the league as a possesion reciever.

The Raiders, hmmmm, i can't think of any other WR then Rice.
 
Rice is easily the best WR of all time, no questions asked. I also wouldn't put up much of an argument for best football player ever.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']Marvin Harrison[/quote]

Harrison is the best these days, owing to Rice's age and overall nonimpact for the Raiders.

Chad Johnson belongs up there this year too, I mean he's catching all the knuckleballs coming off of Palmer's fingertips. Some really marvelous catches in the Jets game last week.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth. [/quote]
Scratch that. Nobodys better 1-3. Maybe someone has a better 1-2 combo, maybe.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.
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Patriots have Brown, Branch, Givens, Patten, Johnson, with Graham, Watson, and Fauria at TE. Might be better 1-2 combos or 1 through 3 around the league, but 1 through 5 plus two really good TE's and one pretty good one, nobody has that kind of depth.[/quote]

Wow how did I pass then up. Yep the Patriots do have the best WR/TE combo in the league.

If u go by statistic's Rice would be the best but he doesn't have a lot in him anymore. He still would be a 2 tier WR and he still has the hands.
 
Raiders are not a top WR team. They have Porter, Curry and Gabriel, besides Rice. Porter has the most talent out of all of them, but none of them have come close to proving they deserve to be mentioned at the top of anything.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333'][quote name='dafoomie']Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.[/quote]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.[/quote]

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.
 
[quote name='lyric706']Torry Holt/Isaac Bruce combo is pretty lethal. Not that the Rams are playing to their potential yet...[/quote]

Yep Holt is pretty damn good also. With Bruce, they do make a good 1-2 combo. They also make Bulger look good.
 
Randy Moss is the best WR. Terrell Owens is good, and Marvin Harrison is probably the most intelligent WR around but as far as pure ability Randy Moss is tops.
 
Torry Holt/Isaac Bruce combo is pretty lethal. Not that the Rams are playing to their potential yet...
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That was the only one I could think of that would be better 1-2. They haven't played like it yet though, and I wasn't impressed with them at all in the 2001 Super Bowl (when they were at the top of their game).
 
Harrison is tops with Moss and Owens in the same tier.
The next closest group of receivers would be Hines Ward, Torry Holt and maybe Santana Moss.

Teamwise, Dallas' receivers are probably the best combined threesome and the Ram's Holt/Bruce are probably the best tandem.
 
Speaking strictly on ability Moss and Owens are heads above the other players in the league...

If you include intelligence and lack of off the field distractions, I'd take Marvin Harrison easily.
 
Teamwise, Dallas' receivers are probably the best combined threesome
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Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Antonio Bryant
Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens/David Patten

Keyshawn is probably the best of any of these. Terry Glenn... I don't think shes as good as Branch, and theres no way Antonio Bryant is better than Givens or Patten.
 
Has Troy Brown even played yet this season?
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Yes. He has one catch for 6 yards and a couple punt returns. He's been held out since we were only playing Arizona and we have a bye week. He'll be fine.

How can he even be brought up in this conversation if he hasn't?
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Because we're not talking whos put up the best numbers two weeks into the season. He'll be good to go after the bye.
 
Harrison.

Colts' WR corps isn't too bad either. Wayne and Stokely can stretch the field and go down the middle. Walters is out, but he's incredibly elusive. Some young talent, too, with Pyatt (pretty good KR, just look at last year, before his injury) and Moorehead (big target who has to have made the catch of the year thus far, albeit pre-season--you all remember right? Behind the back, around the waist, down-the-sideline, at full speed, TD grab).

Then you got Pollard and Clark at TE and Hartsock is supposed to be pretty good as well. These guys run, catch and block well.
 
PittsBurg's WRs are great. So are the Saints (Joe Horn and Donte Stallisworth..hot damn). Marvin Harrison is the Best in the league. I put TO in second and Moss in third. Moss, as athletic as he is, is still too damn weak. TO is probally the strongest WR in the league (or second to Boston) and he still has speed. The only thing that makes Harrison better than both than them is his ability to concentrate purely on doing his job. He gets paid millions to score TDs so why celebrate when he does it?
 
It is Randy Moss, he is just that good.


As for Keyshawn, you got to remember that he has not had a quality quaterback to throw him the ball in some time. Also most of the top recievers will not go over the middle like Keyshawn and take a hit like Keyshawn.

As for Bryant, he has really matured and the past couple of weeks has been playing really well.
 
[quote name='cmdryuk']Randy Moss is the best WR. Terrell Owens is good, and Marvin Harrison is probably the most intelligent WR around but as far as pure ability Randy Moss is tops.[/quote]

Pure talent and ability Moss wins without a doubt. But defining the best WR is about alot more than just ability and talent. You absolutelly have to factor in mental toughness, intelligence, and the ability to be a team player among other things. Thus, Harrison is the best receiver.
 
How can anyone say Troy Brown is overrated? He gets no respect and no recognition around the league. He's not flashy but he gets the job done, he's an excellent posession reciever. Probably still one of the best punt returners in the league too.

I'll take the Pats top 3, I don't even have to mention the rings.

As an aside, think about this... Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patten, Bethel Johnson at WR, Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, Christian Fauria at TE, Corey Dillon at RB. Thats a lot of weapons for Tom Brady.

Randy Moss is tops.
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I saw Randy Moss lay down like a dog last year. Culpepper threw him the ball over the middle and instead of taking the hit and making the catch, he stopped running and let the ball drop. No one thats as big a dog as Randy Moss can be considered the best at anything.
 
I'm not saying I don't like the New England receiving corps, they just don't have the numbers or make the spectacular catches like many other receivers. They are a perfect fit for the Pats offense, but none of those guys would be more than a #2 on any other team. There is nothing wrong with that though as long as it keeps working.
 
It's too bad we'll never see Randy Moss's full potential. I'm not going to sit here and start a war over whether Daunte Culpepper is over-rated or whatever, but his style of play is severely damaging Randy's legacy.

Not comparing Randy to Jerry Rice directly, but for the sake of making my point - where would Jerry Rice be if Montana and Young only threw him the ball in the endzone once a game (anybody see Randy begging for Daunte to throw him the ball last night?). Granted, I didn't watch the whole game (had things to do), but when I was watching it was like Randy wasn't even on the field.

Believe it or not, I'm not even a die-hard Moss fan. But when I watched the Bulls in the 90's I expected to see Jordan score. When I watched the Lions in the 90's I expected to see Barry Sanders get the ball. When I watched the Cardinals 5 years ago I expected to see MacGwire bat. And here I am watching the Vikings (because they have the potential to be one of the most exciting teams in the NFL) and Randy Moss is where?

How do you have a tank at your disposal and insist on firing a pistol at your enemy? Oh well, I'm just a guy who likes to see some action on the football field when I watch a game.
 
I'm not saying I don't like the New England receiving corps, they just don't have the numbers or make the spectacular catches like many other receivers. They are a perfect fit for the Pats offense, but none of those guys would be more than a #2 on any other team. There is nothing wrong with that though as long as it keeps working.
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Well, you're right, on a good team with a Moss/Owens/Harrison none of them are a #1. Brown could be on a lot of teams but not everywhere, he'd do better as a #2.

I like Dallas's top 3, especially if Parcells can get through to Terry Glenn again, I just like the Pats more (and I like Branch a lot).
 
Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.
 
If we are talking about teams I agree that the Colts receivers have to be mentioned up there with any team. Harrison, Wayne (if he continues to put up numbers) and Stokley (who is always up for the big play) have the most potential. I agree that New England has talent, but their system will never put up the same numbers that the guys in Indy will. Don't get me wrong - whatever New England is doing is winning ball games, but when we look back, their receiver's numbers will look somewhat average (600-900 yds each, 6 tds). Will be fun to see how a strong RB will effect both their offense and their receiving numbers - could be the year that New England's Wide Receivers break out.

One team that hasn't been talked about is Seattle - DJ and Koren Robinson are a pretty good 1-2 punch. It will be interesting to see if they can keep their hands on the ball and have the kind of season everyone is expecting them to have. I could see them with 1,200 yds and 10 tds each - we shall see.
 
i'll agree with most people here and say T.O and Moss at the top with harrison close behind him. AS for some ones that havent been mentioned i think Chad Johnson is a pretty damn good reciever and roy williams looks like he can become a dominant wr later on.
 
NO doubt in my mind. It's Randy Moss. He is more athletic and taller and gifted than any receiver in the game. Very dangerous.

Then, I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs
 
[quote name='dustyeff']Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.[/quote]

My rebuttal: You can call me a tool if you want, so here is my response:

1) Randy Moss playing with Gus Frerotte last year. Hands down, if I'm picking one QB and one Wide Receiver I'm taking Gus and Randy ANY DAY over Daunte and Randy.
2) Randy's stats last year - I submit to you that Gus Frerotte had a lot to do with that
3) Daunte Culpepper throws the best deep ball... Well, perhaps, when he throws it. But he doesn't. That's my problem.
4) If Randy Moss is being double and triple-teamed every play and has the entire defense is focused on him every play, how bad does Daunte have to suck not to be throwing 5-6 Touchdowns to other receivers? Or does the rest of the Vikings' receiving staff just suck that bad? Come on man.

I told you I wasn't going to make this a hate-discussion about Daunte Culpepper. I think he has all the talent in the world, but I think Randy's game is suffering because of his style of play. For whatever reason, when Gus was in there (No, I'm not a Frerotte fan either. I'm probably not even spelling his name right) Randy Moss was on fire because Gus wasn't afraid to throw the deep ball. Yes, I believe Randy's legacy is suffering. He is great and will always be considered great. But I believe he could be greater. Call me a tool if you want. You'll never be any more in the NFL than I will so we're all tools here anyway.
 
I've liked Randy Moss ever since he was drafted in 1998, but like everyone says he doesn't like to take hits and he won't go over the middle. But, that's not Randy's game, he is purely a deep threat player. Chad Johnson is a great player, he plays good even though he has no good QB throwing him the ball.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='pimpinc333'][quote name='dafoomie']Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.[/quote]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.[/quote]

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.[/quote]

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.
 
I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.
 
[quote name='chosen1s'][quote name='dustyeff']Severely damaging Randy's legacy? He led the league in TDs last year, 2nd in yards, and either 1st or 2nd in catches. Culpepper throws the best deep ball in the game, which is where Randy excels. You are a tool if you think it's Daunte's fault Randy isn't putting up 200 yards and 3 TDs every game. It's not Randy's fault either, it's a little something called 'bracketing' or 'double and triple teamed every play'. It wouldn't be hard to take JESUS out of the game if you put a corner up on him, with a safety over the top, and the occasional linebacker bumping him on the line.

Barring all that, the best receiver in the league is Randy Moss, followed closely by Harrison, Owens, Holt, and Hines Ward. Guys that could be joining them soon, rookie / 2nd year guys, would have to be: Anquan Boldin (over 100 catches, pro bowl in his first year), Andre Johnson (just about 1000 yards as a rookie, built like a TANK), and Roy Williams (maybe jumping the gun a bit on him, but he's impressed so far).

Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time, but he's too old to really play like he used to.[/quote]

My rebuttal: You can call me a tool if you want, so here is my response:

1) Randy Moss playing with Gus Frerotte last year. Hands down, if I'm picking one QB and one Wide Receiver I'm taking Gus and Randy ANY DAY over Daunte and Randy.
2) Randy's stats last year - I submit to you that Gus Frerotte had a lot to do with that
3) Daunte Culpepper throws the best deep ball... Well, perhaps, when he throws it. But he doesn't. That's my problem.
4) If Randy Moss is being double and triple-teamed every play and has the entire defense is focused on him every play, how bad does Daunte have to suck not to be throwing 5-6 Touchdowns to other receivers? Or does the rest of the Vikings' receiving staff just suck that bad? Come on man.

I told you I wasn't going to make this a hate-discussion about Daunte Culpepper. I think he has all the talent in the world, but I think Randy's game is suffering because of his style of play. For whatever reason, when Gus was in there (No, I'm not a Frerotte fan either. I'm probably not even spelling his name right) Randy Moss was on fire because Gus wasn't afraid to throw the deep ball. Yes, I believe Randy's legacy is suffering. He is great and will always be considered great. But I believe he could be greater. Call me a tool if you want. You'll never be any more in the NFL than I will so we're all tools here anyway.[/quote]

Yes, I do agree with everything u just said. Pep has no trust in Moss to make the big plays. All he has to do is throw the ball up and let Moss make the plays, but he doesn't. Gus would do that with Moss and the same for Cunningham when he was QB when Moss was drafted. All i'm saying is throw the ball up[ and Moss will catch it. Hopefully Pep will do that soon enough.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski']I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.[/quote]

I like Pep, he is a good QB but he has a big weapon in Moss and doesn't use him to his full extent. Last nights game I don't think Pep threw a deep pass to Moss at all or to anyone. All his passes where within 10 yards. His second year in the league when he got the start all he did was throw the long ball and they had alot of sucess. All i'm saying is that they throw the long ball to Moss or even Robinson.
 
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