Big Changes - Everyone Please Read! - Finalized

[quote name='Girion47']murc you have to understand at, that at such a fragile age this stuff leaves your head almost as soon as you read it. he just wants a summary that he can bookmark and come read everytime he forgets.[/quote]

a little Gingko Biloba in the nightly geritol might help that...assuming there is room in his pill box.
 
maybe we should all chip in and buy him one of those pill boxes with the numbered days for his b-day present.


oh yeah. forgot.

I'll see you on the medicine cabinet-like, where are my teeth battlefeild. :twisted:
 
[quote name='Girion47']maybe we should all chip in and buy him one of those pill boxes with the numbered days for his b-day present.[/quote]

Hey if you want to pay for shipping and provide an address, i have some leftover ones from my great-grandmother.
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55'][quote name='Girion47']maybe we should all chip in and buy him one of those pill boxes with the numbered days for his b-day present.[/quote]

Hey if you want to pay for shipping and provide an address, i have some leftover ones from my great-grandmother.[/quote]

i hope you are asking us to foot the shipping and not shrike. bleeding the elderly of their fixed income like that would be too much even for me.

while your at it slip you great grandmother's telephone number in w/ the package. maybe they can get something going.
 
dude. I'm assuming left over means that she no longer needs them....ever. and if Shrike were into that, well........
 
[quote name='Girion47']dude. I'm assuming left over means that she no longer needs them....ever. and if Shrike were into that, well........[/quote]

my bad oz. why do you still have left over pill boxes from a deceased grandma? you need to put all that shit up on ebay. as for shrike's preferences, you never know with that ollllld school generation.
 
[quote name='Girion47']dude. I'm assuming left over means that she no longer needs them....ever. and if Shrike were into that, well........[/quote]
nah shes just got too many of em, and i wasnt askin ole shrike to foot the bill, old people after all are the kings of cheap thrills, feedin ducks at the pond an all
 
[quote name='Ozzkev55'][quote name='Girion47']dude. I'm assuming left over means that she no longer needs them....ever. and if Shrike were into that, well........[/quote]
nah shes just got too many of em, and i wasnt askin ole shrike to foot the bill, old people after all are the kings of cheap thrills, feedin ducks at the pond an all[/quote]

we got a live one
 
Back after he long break, and this place is like a ghost town, well anyway i see craven is on the contact list, so does that means hes the CAG overlord
 
Thanks ever so much for the concern about my memory, which is quite good, thanks for asking.

I'm asking for the summary because I've seen some messages that look a little contradictory in who's going to the "new" clan, who's staying in the "old" clan, and the like.

Some of us have been playing catch-up from vacation, and as it looks like you're all just taking cheap shots and not helping, I'll just shut my hole and wait for an invite or no invite to show up in my XBL account.
 
just give me the heads up when the change is going to occur rock. i know originally you wanted to get this taken care of before practices this coming week. so let me know.
 
yes, we are splitting up. so, here's the final list of people who will be receiving invites to the new mini-clan, which is currently unnamed:

rocksolidaudio
ledhed
zewone
arikado
murcielago77
jimmiemac
pimpinc333
ugamerx
crymson echo
ryan w
greendj27

then, there are several people who are welcome to come too, but need to understand their choices. basically, be a bench player in our clan or a leader in the current clan:

d4rkn1ght
olrox prime
jaket81588
shrike4242
jlarlee

dark's position (offense/killer) is more or less taken by led and crymson already, and olrox's (sniper) by arikado and ugamer. for jaket, shrike and jlarlee, you guys have definitely improved and deserve to be wherever you want, but since we don't have established roles for you you'd also be our bench players, and couldn't always be promised a spot in our actual clan games, etc. on the other hand, the current clan would be able to use you to your fullest extent, and could consistently take advantage of your specific strengths. so, you five are welcome to come, i just wanted you to fully understand the choices.

on tuesday afternoon i will be handing the overlord reigns over to craven fiend, whom you will then be making the weekly sacrifices to. i'll say now that i'll gladly step in and take the helm back if things ever get out of control or anything, though i have full confidence in craven. by the same token, if our new clan doesn't work out the way i'm hoping it will, i'd ask that there's always a spot for me to be at least co-overlord if we ended up coming back, as i'm the founder. i didn't think this needed to be said, but i just wanted to throw it out there for future reference.

as for everyone else, i'm sure craven has some cool stuff in store for you, and some changing of the rules as i hear it. if you'd like to be considered for our clan, i'm definitely open to the idea of tryouts a bit down the line if we need more people. for now, i think things will continue along fairly normally, though we won't be playing matchmaking games together anymore (well, at least not clan matches). some practice nights we'll definitely be playing together (or against each other, which we could both benefit from), and i hope everyone has everyone else on their friend's lists for non-practice nights.

any questions?

note: this tuesday, the clans will practice separately, so i expect as many people as possible from both to attend.

another note: zerosupport, you're also welcome in our new clan whenever you come back if you're going to be playing consistently again.

last note: hey ryan w - ketchup.
 
after last night I can say that Dark is an excellent sniper and put all the practice I had been getting over the weekend to shame. I'd like to see Dark play agaisnt 'kado and Ugamer in a sniper only game with a lot of cover. like Waterworks.
 
That's about how I expected it to go down.

Makes that choice pretty easy.

And I'm guessing that Jugsta isn't making his way back to the "new miniclan", since I'm not seeing his name on the list of the blessed and approved or the list of the "you can be in it if you want to". Odd ommission, IMHO.
 
Well theres one faithful 'grunt' anyone else that wants to stay is more than welcome. you'll be considered an equal regardless of skill and we'll have a cold bench policy(everyone plays just so I dont have to point it out later in the thread)


directed at those on the elite list also.
 
But will we have a certain group who plays Minor and Major Clanmatches, so that we while we word hard and train, others go on for shits and giggles o destroy a high rating
 
Ok. Now that the new clan is in place I have a few things to say. First, I play this game a whole lot so no one accuse me of not playing. Second, why did alpha (or whatever you want to call it) team never once offer a position to me on that team? I mean really, you took jimmie ( If I were a ten, jimmie would be a 5). I don't know if some of you didn't like me and never told me or what. Also, as part of the team aspect, if someone has leadership skills then tell me what to do. I never once had anyone give me a suggestion. I would only give about 3-4 players in the old consolidated clan the nod that they were better than me. I know this is gonna cause an uproar amongst some whiners in the clan but I just wanted to let it out because I haven't said a word yet. Anyways, good luck to "the elites" on their great journey... hopefully us grunts or whatever we are will challenge you in the future.
 
to the name CAG Brutes. Yes I did mention that a few months ago but I don't really care. I like that name a lot but I am extremely pleased with craven being the overlord... Craven, your the man.
 
[quote name='jughead']to the name CAG Brutes. Yes I did mention that a few months ago but I don't really care. I like that name a lot but I am extremely pleased with craven being the overlord... Craven, your the man.[/QUOTE]


thanks for the support jugsta. look forward to you being an important piece of the puzzle in this clan. and like girion said early, theres always room for the elites that feel underappreciated or just want to be a top dog in this clan.
 
[quote name='Girion47']Well theres one faithful 'grunt' anyone else that wants to stay.[/QUOTE]

Make that two...not that I was going anywhere.

[quote name='Ozzkev55']But will we have a certain group who plays Minor and Major Clanmatches, so that we while we word hard and train, others go on for shits and giggles o destroy a high rating[/QUOTE]

I having trouble deciphering your encrypted message. Are you asking if there will be certain members that can initiate clan matches to prevent a reduction in rank?
 
yeah, thanx for the support jugsta, and i look forward to playing both GR2, and halo 2 with you, and as for challenging them, well id like everyone to watch Rocky IV, then tell me who one, who has an acting career now, the dead guy, Carl Weathers, and who came out of hiding, Sly, with his cool pudding, though this may be offtopic, i will train hard with you guys if it means, taking a trip to the CAG zoo, and chargin at the lions full strength
 
and just to put the whole Brute thing to rest.


posted: 1-18-2005 by Girion47
"so what if we make the Grunts official right now?

Shrike, Inosuck, GreenDJ, Me, and Aznplaya.

then if any other groups find that they play together well then other groups could be formed
Jackals, Prophets, Brutes, Engineers, Drones"
 
heres the deal. for those that stay with the current clan, practices for this week will remain the same as the currently are. for those of you with suggestions about when we should practice following this week, then just hit me up with a pm. and even though we won't be practicing with the new clan tomorrow, it should be fun anyways, that is if some of the clan comes out of the shadows and joins us. i know a few people have other commintments and thats cool, but a practice with like 8 or 9 people isn't going to be any fun.
 
[quote name='gaelan']Make that two...not that I was going anywhere.



I having trouble deciphering your encrypted message. Are you asking if there will be certain members that can initiate clan matches to prevent a reduction in rank?[/QUOTE]

yes, some method to madness im suggesting
 
well i would have never though that i would be considered a bench warmer. And i would have never though that led, and crymson would take my job... first crymson never plays. so maybe he will start playing i dont know, but then i play all day everyday, there are 9/10 times that i play and see noone on in the clan except maybe jugsta who plays alot too. so that decision kinda shocked me. Also i am a "killer" or w/e, i dont remeber a game that i didnt touch the flag, or arm more then 1/3 of the way or majorly take it there. i can honestly say that only a few people in the clan are better then me, most equal, and some less. I prove this often in shotgun/sniper or most the games we play although this isnt recognized i guess. well anyways im not going to take the title of "bench warmers" so im not sure what i am going to do now, i am pretty let down but i guess thats how it is with favorites...

and the thing that confuses me the most is me being put in comparison with JAKE, OLRoX, JLARLEE, and SHRIKE, thats $$$$ing cold
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']well i would have never though that i would be considered a bench warmer. And i would have never though that led, and crymson would take my job... first crymson never plays. so maybe he will start playing i dont know, but then i play all day everyday, there are 9/10 times that i play and see noone on in the clan except maybe jugsta who plays alot too. so that decision kinda shocked me. Also i am a "killer" or w/e, i dont remeber a game that i didnt touch the flag, or arm more then 1/3 of the way or majorly take it there. i can honestly say that only a few people in the clan are better then me, most equal, and some less. I prove this often in shotgun/sniper or most the games we play although this isnt recognized i guess. well anyways im not going to take the title of "bench warmers" so im not sure what i am going to do now, i am pretty let down but i guess thats how it is with favorites...

and the thing that confuses me the most is me being put in comparison with JAKE, OLRoX, JLARLEE, and SHRIKE, thats $$$$ing cold[/QUOTE]

All I can say to that one is ouch. :shock:
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']and the thing that confuses me the most is me being put in comparison with JAKE, OLRoX, JLARLEE, and SHRIKE, thats $$$$ing cold[/QUOTE]

For some reason I don't think you are kidding, which is sad and funny at the same time.

I'm confused now. Why are you confused? If you read rock's post, clan slots are not based on l337 skills. There is some secret KFC recipe that they are going by consisting of 11 herbs and spices to assign slots. I would venture to say it is based on attendance and effectiveness at x, y or z task. Maybe your opinion of yourself is slightly biased. Who knows?...who cares? You didn't make the cut for one reason or another. Better luck next time.
 
shirke, your a great guy, and i enjoy playing with you, but do you think i sit on the bench at the same level with you? im not trying to affend anyone.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']shirke, your a great guy, and i enjoy playing with you, but do you think i sit on the bench at the same level with you? im not trying to affent anyone.[/QUOTE]

dark, i think you are a kick ass bench warmer...sorry shrike, i don't mean to affent you.
 
galean, i am not sure if your trying to be funny or what or maybe your just mad you didnt make any list im not sure stop taking it out on me.
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']galean, i am not sure if your trying to be funny or what or maybe your just mad you didnt make any list im not sure stop taking it out on me.[/QUOTE]


the one about bench warming i was.

the other one speaks for itself. my recommendation is to take this up w/rock or whoever you see fit via the pm system rather than posting it in here.

as for the list, i kinda figured i wouldn't be on it, so no worries...
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']shirke, your a great guy, and i enjoy playing with you, but do you think i sit on the bench at the same level with you? im not trying to affend anyone.[/QUOTE]

No, Dark, I know your skill is quite a bit higher than mine. I'll be the first one to admit to that. Compared to a few months ago, I know I've made some large strides, though I'm not where I need to be on the same level as you.

I was ouching to the way the statement sounded. I knew your intent and I agree with your reaction.

[quote name='gaelan']dark, i think you are a kick ass bench warmer...sorry shrike, i don't mean to affent you.[/QUOTE]

If putting me into the same class as Dark is offending me, then please go ahead and do so. I know how he good is and to be compared in some way to it is high praise in my book.

[quote name='gaelan']For some reason I don't think you are kidding, which is sad and funny at the same time.

I'm confused now. Why are you confused? If you read rock's post, clan slots are not based on l337 skills. There is some secret KFC recipe that they are going by consisting of 11 herbs and spices to assign slots. I would venture to say it is based on attendance and effectiveness at x, y or z task. Maybe your opinion of yourself is slightly biased. Who knows?...who cares? You didn't make the cut for one reason or another. Better luck next time.[/QUOTE]

It's a secret formula that only four people know the details of. And that's their choice on that. For me, I'm offered to pick one or the other, and I will do so, this evening or tomorrow, well before practice time.

[quote name='D4rkN1ght']galean, i am not sure if your trying to be funny or what or maybe your just mad you didnt make any list im not sure stop taking it out on me.[/QUOTE]

Gaelan's not trying to take it out on you, Dark. He's just making light of the whole thing, and I know he's not trying to smack you in the face over that. Trust me on this.

[quote name='gaelan']the one about bench warming i was.

the other one speaks for itself. my recommendation is to take this up w/rock or whoever you see fit via the pm system rather than posting it in here.

as for the list, i kinda figured i wouldn't be on it, so no worries...[/QUOTE]

I think the PM route is one thing that won't get any use here. The list was put up there and adjusted after "decisions" were made, and the list slimmed down to the "blessed and approved" or "if you want in, you're in, with as much time on the field as we can squeeze you in for". What's done here is done, I don't think a PM or two will make any difference on.

[quote name='swetooth9']:bomb:[/QUOTE]

Nice to see who I was shooting at last night. :rofl:
 
I dont think Darknight was trying to insult anyone he was just trying to say that he shouldnt be playing bench warmer and he considers his skills higher than other people on that list. and instead of pointing certain people out, he put the whole list up.
 
[quote name='gaelan']If you read rock's post, clan slots are not based on l337 skills. There is some secret KFC recipe that they are going by consisting of 11 herbs and spices to assign slots. I would venture to say it is based on attendance and effectiveness at x, y or z task.[/QUOTE]

exactly. it's not just pure skill in one area or another. you're definitely a very talented player dark, but your position is already filled by several people who we've been playing with a lot longer and know how we operate. no offense to your skills at all, but i'd rather be backed up by someone who knows exactly what i'm going to do in a given situation, and i think most of the clan would agree. i know you're good, but that's not the only thing we're considering. i would rather be up front about it than have you join the new clan and be pissed and confused when you're picked last, that's why i mentioned the whole bench players thing.

and jugsta, all i can say is that several people around the clan (whose names i will keep private) felt that you were unreliable. sorry man.
 
it's very hard to do this without seeming like an elitist jerk, and i'd just like to point out the fact that i'm being very up front about everything. i'm not trying to make anyone angry :whistle2:(
 
[quote name='rocksolidaudio']it's very hard to do this without seeming like an elitist jerk, and i'd just like to point out the fact that i'm being very up front about everything. i'm not trying to make anyone angry :whistle2:([/QUOTE]

yea, i think the new clan consists of members that have the chemistry and teamwork that they have worked hard to set up...good luck guys
 
even as the "bench warmers" (someone come up with a better name), you will probably have lots of clan playing time. consider 11 people on the approved list, and 5 on the "need to decide" list. 16 total is good for a 8v8 practice session, but no good for matchmaking and clan matches meaning "bench warmers" should be playing regularly...if allowed. i guess the point is just because the reference to bench warmer was made, i don't think much warming of benches will occur.
 
[quote name='gaelan']even as the "bench warmers" (someone come up with a better name), you will probably have lots of clan playing time. consider 11 people on the approved list, and 5 on the "need to decide" list. 16 total is good for a 8v8 practice session, but no good for matchmaking and clan matches meaning "bench warmers" should be playing regularly...if allowed. i guess the point is just because the reference to bench warmer was made, i don't think much warming of benches will occur.[/QUOTE]

yeah, you'll still get a lot of playing time, especially outside of clan games. i shouldn't have picked such a derogatory name perhaps, but i wanted to be clear about the situation, that you might not get picked first because of your role, etc.
 
I personally would rather play with D4rk than a lot of other guys. I can count on him to back me up in a number of different situations and I think lumping Dark as a "killer" is a bad thing. He can do much more than that.
 
[quote name='rocksolidaudio']it's very hard to do this without seeming like an elitist jerk, and i'd just like to point out the fact that i'm being very up front about everything. i'm not trying to make anyone angry :whistle2:([/QUOTE]

The whole split smacks of elitism, which it is. A small fraction of the CAG clan has decided to move on to their own clan, because of their interoperability, their skills, and their ability to depend on one another in any situation. Some of us were "considered" for alternate spots among that group, and given the choice to take those alternate spots or not. Which, frankly, as we're being very up front about things, is how it is now. There isn't any change that hasn't happened, without any formal declaration, for months.

There's always been elitism in this clan, since it was decided that only certain people could do clan matches, and the whole "elites" concept which was driven along with it. Some of the list had been slimmed down, though the core of the list was the same. This was just a formal declaration of that group going off and doing their own thing under their own directives. The action alone is an elistist move, though that's nothing different that has already been going on for months.

It's done with. A little more ham-handed than I'd prefer, with some rather odd surprises along the way, though it's done. The five of us on the fence have a choice to make, and I'm guessing that there will be quite a few less than five making that jump. I can only speak for myself and guess at the actions of others, though I'll see if I'm right.
 
[quote name='jughead']Ok. Now that the new clan is in place I have a few things to say. First, I play this game a whole lot so no one accuse me of not playing. Second, why did alpha (or whatever you want to call it) team never once offer a position to me on that team? I mean really, you took jimmie ( If I were a ten, jimmie would be a 5). I don't know if some of you didn't like me and never told me or what. Also, as part of the team aspect, if someone has leadership skills then tell me what to do. I never once had anyone give me a suggestion. I would only give about 3-4 players in the old consolidated clan the nod that they were better than me. I know this is gonna cause an uproar amongst some whiners in the clan but I just wanted to let it out because I haven't said a word yet. Anyways, good luck to "the elites" on their great journey... hopefully us grunts or whatever we are will challenge you in the future.[/QUOTE]

Zing!

I'd post more but, you know, I don't want to start anything.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']The whole split smacks of elitism, which it is. A small fraction of the CAG clan has decided to move on to their own clan, because of their interoperability, their skills, and their ability to depend on one another in any situation. Some of us were "considered" for alternate spots among that group, and given the choice to take those alternate spots or not. Which, frankly, as we're being very up front about things, is how it is now. There isn't any change that hasn't happened, without any formal declaration, for months.

There's always been elitism in this clan, since it was decided that only certain people could do clan matches, and the whole "elites" concept which was driven along with it. Some of the list had been slimmed down, though the core of the list was the same. This was just a formal declaration of that group going off and doing their own thing under their own directives. The action alone is an elistist move, though that's nothing different that has already been going on for months.

It's done with. A little more ham-handed than I'd prefer, with some rather odd surprises along the way, though it's done. The five of us on the fence have a choice to make, and I'm guessing that there will be quite a few less than five making that jump. I can only speak for myself and guess at the actions of others, though I'll see if I'm right.[/QUOTE]

i guess i didn't look at it as elitism before, i looked at it as trying to make it the most fun for everybody with such a large clan. it's not fun to rarely play with some people and then not be on the same page during a game, which is why we're splitting up. because we're the people who play consistently, and play together consistently. maybe it will all blow up in my face, who knows, but it seemed like the best decision.
 
thank you z, i really though a lot more people thought that as well, but i guess not, i can maybe see why rock doesnt, because honesly i think i have only played with rock 1/8 maybe of the time that i play with all the rest of you guys, he just isnt on as much, so im not sure if that makes it a fair desicion, but hey the decision stands, and i guess i will probably go find another clan i dont know, i dont feel like being the "backup"
 
[quote name='D4rkN1ght']thank you z, i really though a lot more people thought that as well, but i guess not, i can maybe see why rock doesnt, because honesly i think i have only played with rock 1/8 maybe of the time that i play with all the rest of you guys, he just isnt on as much, so im not sure if that makes it a fair desicion, but hey the decision stands, and i guess i will probably go find another clan i dont know, i dont feel like being the "backup"[/QUOTE]

i'm there almost every practice night, and i'm on these boards a lot, which are the two most important places to be if you're in the clan. and i said that's your role in games usually, not that that's all you're good at. and this was a group decision, or at least one was approved by everyone.
 
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