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Jim Cornette vs Dairy Queen..... I'm sure we could have a tag team soon with Jimbo teaming with Scott Steiner and Iron Sheik. :rofl:

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[quote name='OnyxPrimal']Well I just wanted to share this with you guys. For my birthday a few weeks ago I got one of the Classic IC title belt toys as sort of a gag gift. My Little girl fell in love with "the belt" as she calls it. BTW her fav wrestler is AJ Styles. No joke she can pick out his picture a mile away. Anyway this is cute:

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I didn't even pose her fingers like that either. Classic Superfly! :)[/quote]

she should have gave the shocker....
 
That pic of your daughter is too cute. She should become a Razor Ramon fan in short order with that belt.

On a semi-wrestling note, one of our announcers was talking to me about a GI Joe convention, wherein they'll be selling a Rowdy Roddy Piper LE figure. He's allegedly going to be done up in his kilt and wearing his jacket, but with an Iron Grenadiers logo on his shirt (the storyline explanation for Piper as a Joe is that he's the Iron Grenadiers' trainer, and thus the heel to Sgt. Slaughter's face).

Lastly, that Delirious promo was semi coherent, and leads me to think that he rarely speaks in gibberish, and mostly talks in "carny" (or whatever pig latin wrestlers used to call matches in back in the day). I also think Mick Foley was unabashed about yelling things in that "language" during his matches over the course of his career.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I randomly bought scalper tickets the night of the show for $70 each to sit 4th row for the Raw that started the Invasion storyline (the night of the last Nitro). Looking back, still probably wasn't worth it as I couldn't tell you a single match that happened that night.[/quote]

man thats bad as... totally worth the cash
 
I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.

[quote name='Figure Four Weekly']The "Vince is Dead" storyline plans before they were scrapped:

- The Monday of the Benoit Tribute show, the evening would build to Linda being arrested. She'd be found not guilty later, and the puzzle would be unsolved. It'd then be time to "move on."
- On a special RAW, Vince's video will would be played and he would reveal that he was leaving EVERYTHING to his illegitimate son, Mr. Kennedy.
- HHH would be revealed (officially) as the Son In Law to Vince, and he'd start a long feud with Kennedy in order to gain everything back to the McMahon family.
- At some time, long down the road Vince would return and say that he and Kennedy faked the whole thing and gave everything to Kennedy because he was the only one in the family with that real ruthless aggression.
- Somehow this would lead to Vince vs. Shane somehow
Alvarez assumes that they'll stick with Kennedy for the illegitimate son role since they are grooming him to be a number 1 heel.[/QUOTE]
 
You know, I think the only PPV I've ever ordered was the Invasion PPV back in '01. That was where WWE started going downhill imo, since they HAD the combined rosters of WWE,WCW and ECW and if fans had anything but short attention spans, they should've built it up over a LONG period of time and then finally concluded it. But I guess they felt people wouldn't keep watching it past a couple months or so, so they ended it early.

However, I would've loved to have seen a twist where 'Shane's group' won and put Vince out of business or something to that effect. It's been so long that I couldn't even tell you who was on what side then.

Lately, I just find myself watching Raw or the combined Smackdown/ECW junk for a quick laugh at how absurd it's become lately. Of course, NONE of the over the top storylines of late could beat one I specifically remember. The angle/storyline? Mae Young giving birth to a hand.....

OK, not the best one I could think of, but easily one of the worst ones of the WWE's 'we'll do anything to keep ahead in the ratings' era. Personally, if they would stop slipping back into their old trap of keeping the titles on one of a select few teams/singles, I might actually watch this more.

But, how much you wanna bet once Trips comes back ONE of the titles is put on him within 2 months?? Mark my words, they're falling into the same trap they were in when many of their major guys left for WCW back in the 90's.

They rely too much on certain stars, while letting many mid and low carders fester till they get released.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Lastly, that Delirious promo was semi coherent, and leads me to think that he rarely speaks in gibberish, and mostly talks in "carny" (or whatever pig latin wrestlers used to call matches in back in the day). I also think Mick Foley was unabashed about yelling things in that "language" during his matches over the course of his career.[/quote]

He used to be completely jibberish but as time went on he started adding more normal words.
 
Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.[/QUOTE]


I know... I think the plan was going to be to give WCW Smackdown and ECW Heat (which kinda of works now on that note) then Buff Bagwell had to have one of the wost matches in the history of RAW. Not to mention his attitude backstage. At least he lingers on the southern indys where he belongs. The only thing about Bagwell I ever liked was Scott Norton as his partner. :)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.

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That might be the dumbest thing I have ever laid eyes on.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i as going nuts when bagwell came out on raw.. that was awesome![/QUOTE]

Too bad his match against Booker T was amongst the worst ever on Raw.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.

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So are they gunna make up even more shit and say mr. kennedy is blood relative to mcmchon?

on another note, loved the 15 minutes of fame match (good build for both guys)
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']I know... I think the plan was going to be to give WCW Smackdown and ECW Heat (which kinda of works now on that note)[/quote]

Well, if they switched the tag titles, yeah. All the WCW titles would be on Smackdown(world tag titles are supposed to be the WCW version of the titles, hence it's got world in the name).

Did some cleaning last night and threw out over 200 tapes worth of Raws & Smackdowns from 9 years. Pretty much did nothing but take up space, since I never watch them anymore. Looking back at some of them, I sit back and wonder how the hell I thought this was entertaining.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']You know, I think the only PPV I've ever ordered was the Invasion PPV back in '01. That was where WWE started going downhill imo, since they HAD the combined rosters of WWE,WCW and ECW and if fans had anything but short attention spans, they should've built it up over a LONG period of time and then finally concluded it. But I guess they felt people wouldn't keep watching it past a couple months or so, so they ended it early.[/QUOTE]I often wonder how the Invasion would have gone if they had certain key players in the mix earlier. Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Hall, Nash, and friggin' Hogan would have really made a difference there. Just think of how much more authentic and epic that feud would have felt. In that scenario, they most likely would not have bothered having key WWE guys "jump ship" to give The Alliance more main-event credibility.

I forget... were Flair and DDP involved in the Invasion, or were they late for all that too?

Man, when you consider the wrestlers that DID eventually show up on the WWE roster, it's quite frustrating to imagine what the Invasion could have been if the timing was just a little bit different.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.[/quote]

They were too busy thinking about how they won and how the monday night wars were over and how they're the better compnay :)roll:) to do what was right. They didn't want to buy out contracts for more relevant stars, causing them to bring in top WCW stars later in a time where nobody cared. Goldberg, Hogan, Nash, Hall, they were all stars that could've been HUGE in the nVasion. The angle ended with a WWF star vs a WWF star in the ring ( even though stone cold was in WCW and ECW, we all know where he made his name ). They didn't care enough about WCW to make it fair. A good example is that there was this big brawl in the ring and The Rock turns around, looks at Booker, and says " Who're you?". They didn't want to respect the fact that at a time WCW was the reason that WWF had shit ratings and were losing money every year. WCW stars weren't stars in WWE during the nVasion, they were peons against the all mighty WWF.

They quickly came to realize how stupid they were by seperating the brands and simulating competition to try to make up for the inept mainstream wrestling industry that they created. WCW was already dead and gone at that point though. Nobody was willing to give them TV time. Bischoff could get the rights and buy out everything but he wouldn't have TV time so he had no product. WWF buying out WCW was an even bigger nail in the coffin. They could've left WCW WCW and WWF WFF but we'd all know they were under the same umbrella.
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']Goldberg, Hogan, Nash, Hall, they were all stars that could've been HUGE in the nVasion.[/QUOTE]lol check it out, we basically posted the same exact thought at the same time. Spooky.
 
I agree with everything you've said, P_R, except for any realization of how "stupid" they were. If there's one thing I can safely say about the WWE, it's that they very, very, very rarely recognize or admit to big mistakes when they're made.
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']I forget... were Flair and DDP involved in the Invasion, or were they late for all that too?[/quote]

DDP was the one that started in the Invasion storyline. Flair showed up right after they ended the Alliance.

As for the others that could've shown up during the storyline, they were too busy sitting on their butt and collecting money from the rest of their guaranteed contracts.
 
Ahhh, I see. Such a pity. Just imagine Eric Bischoff showing up with Flair, Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner, DDP, Rey Mysterio, Buff Bagwell, and Booker. And they'd have these epic wars against Vince's army of Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, and others. You could have WCW gain the upper hand in a LONG feud, then one year into it would be right around when HBK starts wrestling again... oh man I mark out just imagining that!!! HBK's return would factor into that storyline and he could get Hall and Nash to join WWE and finally shift the balance of power back to WWE.

Meanwhile you could have had the ECW guys be this small renegade crew who does these random hit and run strikes against whoever they feel like.

Good lord that would have been awesome!
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Ahhh, I see. Such a pity. Just imagine Eric Bischoff showing up with Flair, Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner, DDP, Rey Mysterio, Buff Bagwell, and Booker. And they'd have these epic wars against Vince's army of Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, and others. You could have WCW gain the upper hand in a LONG feud, then one year into it would be right around when HBK starts wrestling again... oh man I mark out just imagining that!!! HBK's return would factor into that storyline and he could get Hall and Nash to join WWE and finally shift the balance of power back to WWE.

Meanwhile you could have had the ECW guys be this small renegade crew who does these random hit and run strikes against whoever they feel like.

Good lord that would have been awesome![/quote]

It definitely had the potential to be the biggest storyline in wrestling history, but this is Vince we're talking about. I mean, did anyone seriously expect greatness from the Invasion angle?

I remember it clearly. The attitude era, which basically made a wrestling fan, was on its downward spiral... and then out of nowhere, Shane appeared on Nitro. I must admit, I marked out pretty hard. I don't remember a more exciting time to be a fan... I mean, after watching the two companies duke it out for not days or months, but years, one had bought the other. But... as the night progressed, I began to realize the path of what was to come. It wasn't about me and my friends, it wasn't about wrestling, it wasn't about the fans, it was about money, greed, and gloat. It was about being a sore winner and securing Vince's invisible throne. Vince had crushed WCW from a business standpoint, and it was time for him to crush basically all of WCW talent before deciding who he should rebuild on his own turf... sad...

Then the Invasion angle occured, and I stopped watching for a few years out of utter disappointment.. until TNA came around. AJ Styles got me into wrestling again (shame he's still Christian's lackey, he needs to be main eventing sooner than later). So... I say. Even if you don't like TNA, you should support it just as a wrestling fan... because it's WWE's only televised competition (ROH is great too, although they only recently got a PPV slot) and like the mid to late 90's showed us, competition is a good thing :)
 
That Vince Death storyline is crazy. I could see how they'd stretch that to WM, but 2 years? That's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to long-term for WWE.

I like the idea of who the illegitimate son is. HHH vs him definitely could be money. I think HHH is past his point of making everyone job to him, as evident by him putting over twats like Batista and Cena. IIRC there was an article not too long ago saying HHH's main concern now was his legacy, and who he put over as his replacement.
 
I remember how surreal it seemed on the last night of Nitro. Those last few minutes, when you could flip the channel from TNT to USA and see the same show, after years of it being separate.

Invasion could have only been great if Vince was willing to let RAW "crumble" under the power of ECW. Vince's ego to be the best created some nice wrestling moments, but there was no way that Vince could have done it then. It really might have made more sense for them to hold off on the angle for a year, let Vince settle in, and then bring it back (with some of the stars). Sure, it would have lost a bit of heat, but heck, if they went back to the storyline today and did it right, with all the right guys, I still think it would work.
 
The whole HHH vs Kennedy storyline was tied into the Vince's fake death story, right?

Since the rumors suggest Kennedy could be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son, this same story could still be used (minus the fake death part)? Is this obvious? Am I wrong?

I'm just wondering because I've been thinking to myself a HHH vs Kennedy fued could be awesome, and I really think this whole Vince giving the company to Kennedy and HHH trying to take it back would be pretty good. Not to mentione Shane vs Vince (I love Shane).
 
Well, Raw ratings are back to the level they were before Benoit killing his family. But I'm guessing it will go back downhill as they get more & more into the "who's your kid" storyline. The Kennedy vs. Triple H feud is supposed to start after Summerslam.

The Orton vs. HHH feud is off and supposedly Orton will be feuding with Cena into the fall.

For those wondering, SD's main event will be
Great Khali vs. Ric Flair
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He looks younger than he did when his hair was white, and what the hell is up with putting such a bloody, weapon-filled match right after announcing a match like it for the "main event" of the PPV that is supposed to draw based on blood?
 
I think his hair is like that because of his sheep sheer scalping.

And, Goddamn; Kipp James was sloppy as fuck during that match.

Fire VKM, already. They already think they can go to WWE. I want to see those dreams shattered.
 
Kurt Angle is so much better as a goofy comedy guy than as an ultra tough guy.

It's pretty obvious, however, that the whole "divorce" is a generic-ass heel swerve, leading to Angle beating Joe yet again. Joe has pinned Angle, what? Once?

The House of Fun match was very good, and made me realize what a good job TNA has done of getting over Harris, Storm, and Roode. Rhino was easier.

A much better show than last week's. Thus far, anyway.
 
[quote name='Brak']I think his hair is like that because of his sheep sheer scalping.

And, Goddamn; Kipp James was sloppy as fuck during that match.

Fire VKM, already. They already think they can go to WWE. I want to see those dreams shattered.[/quote]

Ah that explains it. I couldn't tell as I didn't get a long enough look.

If TNA is really clever/devious, Karen turns on Joe at the ppv. OOOOOOOOOH YEAH!
 
World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Tomasso Whitney as of today, August 9. WWE wishes Tomasso the best in all his future endeavors.

WWE.com

Who the fuck is Tomasso Whitney?
 
If you had been watching the OVW shows I've been uploading, then you'd know he was the goofy-ass self-help guy who was "managing" Charles "The Hammer" Evans and Justin "The Ox" LaRoche.

IOW, no big loss.
 
God... I can't wait to see Kurt Angle with 5 championship belts.

The image of him holding them all up, yelling, coated in sweat, on the top rope, needs to be immortalized in stained glass.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']If you had been watching the OVW shows I've been uploading, then you'd know he was the goofy-ass self-help guy who was "managing" Charles "The Hammer" Evans and Justin "The Ox" LaRoche.

IOW, no big loss.[/QUOTE]

I downloaded 2 of them, but neither would play since they were mp4 files. Someone here talked about changing the file extension, but I have no idea how to do that. I right clicked on the file itself, and there was no such option.
 
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