Black Panthers using intimidation at polling site

I'd threaten to hit that d-bag with a nightstick too. His use of "brandishing" and total misuse of "immediately" really just makes me want to punch him. The douchey way he stands... "Y'know, I'm an army veteran, that doesn't scare me"... no wonder he's being threatened with physical harm.
 
This is terrible. I was actually approached by a group of 15 year-olds looking for trouble, doing the same thing. It's sad that some people think violence and intimidation are a good way to get their candidate elected. I half expect a riot somewhere today.

I salute the guy who pushed through these racist thugs and called the police. This is America, a land where bullshit intimidation shouldn't be tolerated. Kudos, sir.
 
Fox News, anyone? The CONSERVATIVE-biased news that say "Mass Effect" is TOO explicit should get AO rating? All that Extreme BS etc
 
[quote name='Koggit']I'd threaten to hit that d-bag with a nightstick too. His use of "brandishing" and total misuse of "immediately" really just makes me want to punch him. The douchey way he stands... "Y'know, I'm an army veteran, that doesn't scare me"... no wonder he's being threatened with physical harm.[/quote]

I love how you can defend the actions of these two individuals.
 
They accomplished exactly what they wanted...got national attention for a dead organization..the black panthers. They probably have 500 members left in this country and now they will get a few million web hits today.
 
[quote name='SuperJedi']So?

What makes you think these guys are Hired/working for Obama? :roll:


This kind of thing happens, just like KKK doing things against Obama, but that doesn't mean Obama condones it at all![/quote]

True.
 
There were 3 cop cars in front of the doors where I went to vote. They didn't seem to be bothering anyone though.
 
[quote name='HowStern']There were 3 cop cars in front of the doors where I went to vote. They didn't seem to be bothering anyone though.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that it triggers a reaction in older(and even some younger)voters that are black. As a white person you see the cops and smile and think ah I am safe.....as a Black Person you remember some unjust ass whopping if your old and if your young being pulled over for no reason at all.

Bet fox hasn't covered this, nor will they probably cover the reports of a white cop that was standing outside a voting station demanding to see peoples I.D's.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']I love how you can defend the actions of these two individuals.[/QUOTE]

Except for the part where that never happened, okay.
 
[quote name='Capitalizt']They accomplished exactly what they wanted...got national attention for a dead organization..the black panthers. They probably have 500 members left in this country and now they will get a few million web hits today.[/quote]

It's not the only example of this type of behavior though. It doesn't have to be organized to be widespread.

I guess I'm more vocal about this issue because I was just recently surrounded and verbally threatened at a metro station for the same reason. I walked away just as a car arrived - they were knocking on it and one guy even tried to pull it open as the car rode out.

[quote name='SuperJedi']So?

What makes you think these guys are Hired/working for Obama? :roll:


This kind of thing happens, just like KKK doing things against Obama, but that doesn't mean Obama condones it at all![/quote]

Of course he doesn't. Obama has consistently condemned this type of behavior and I commend him for that.

[quote name='MSI Magus']The problem is that it triggers a reaction in older(and even some younger)voters that are black. As a white person you see the cops and smile and think ah I am safe.....as a Black Person you remember some unjust ass whopping if your old and if your young being pulled over for no reason at all.

Bet fox hasn't covered this, nor will they probably cover the reports of a white cop that was standing outside a voting station demanding to see peoples I.D's.[/quote]

Sorry but the comparison is not even close. These are uniformed armed members of an overtly racist group that advocates violence against those who don't share it's beliefs. I'm sure I just set up a snide comment from the peanut gallery but I really don't care.
 
Yeah, but I get what MSI is saying.
That's why I made the connection I did.
Also, police can get pretty violent.
 
[quote name='camoor']It's not the only example of this type of behavior though. It doesn't have to be organized to be widespread.

I guess I'm more vocal about this issue because I was just recently surrounded and verbally threatened at a metro station for the same reason. I walked away just as a car arrived - they were knocking on it and one guy even tried to pull it open as the car rode out.



Of course he doesn't. Obama has consistently condemned this type of behavior and I commend him for that.



Sorry but the comparison is not even close. These are uniformed armed members of an overtly racist group that advocates violence against those who don't share it's beliefs. I'm sure I just set up a snide comment from the peanut gallery but I really don't care.[/QUOTE]

I am not saying the same. Just that both are horrid
 
Hmm. I would have liked to have seen them be intimidating, really. Don't get me wrong - they shouldn't be standing there with weapons in their hands. But what's wrong with hangin' around the polls like a groupie for Rick Astley, man?

For all the allusions, they lack video of how these two guys served to intimidate people who would be going to the polls. That's pretty crucial, as otherwise, you simply have allusions.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hmm. I would have liked to have seen them be intimidating, really. Don't get me wrong - they shouldn't be standing there with weapons in their hands. But what's wrong with hangin' around the polls like a groupie for Rick Astley, man?

For all the allusions, they lack video of how these two guys served to intimidate people who would be going to the polls. That's pretty crucial, as otherwise, you simply have allusions.[/quote]

They also identified themselves as security and asked to see press ID when the camera came on. These are armed uniformed non-governmental agents who are falsely asserting authority at the voting poll.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Except for the part where that never happened, okay.[/quote]

Read what you posted

I'd threaten to hit that d-bag with a nightstick too. His use of "brandishing" and total misuse of "immediately" really just makes me want to punch him. The douchey way he stands... "Y'know, I'm an army veteran, that doesn't scare me"... no wonder he's being threatened with physical harm.

You endorsed them threatening this individual with physical harm. What did he do that deserved the vitriol contained in your post? Do you take poor grammar this seriously?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hmm. I would have liked to have seen them be intimidating, really. Don't get me wrong - they shouldn't be standing there with weapons in their hands. But what's wrong with hangin' around the polls like a groupie for Rick Astley, man?

For all the allusions, they lack video of how these two guys served to intimidate people who would be going to the polls. That's pretty crucial, as otherwise, you simply have allusions.[/quote]

I wonder what you'd be saying if they were a couple of white guys dressed in KKK garb? Would you also want video of how they intimidated people, or would you argue that they are intimidating merely by their presence.

Dude, as a white guy, if there are 2 threatening looking black guys wielding night sticks in front of a voting location, I'm gonna call the police or turn and walk away...
 
When I see dbags being dbags I just want to night-stick 'em, you're lucky you're out of night-sticking range right now
 
[quote name='BigT']I wonder what you'd be saying if they were a couple of white guys dressed in KKK garb? Would you also want video of how they intimidated people, or would you argue that they are intimidating merely by their presence.

Dude, as a white guy, if there are 2 threatening looking black guys wielding night sticks in front of a voting location, I'm gonna call the police or turn and walk away...[/QUOTE]

which is precisely how it was handled, right?
 
[quote name='BigT']I wonder what you'd be saying if they were a couple of white guys dressed in KKK garb? Would you also want video of how they intimidated people, or would you argue that they are intimidating merely by their presence.

Dude, as a white guy, if there are 2 threatening looking black guys wielding night sticks in front of a voting location, I'm gonna call the police or turn and walk away...[/quote]

Actually to be honest. I think white people are more afraid of black people then blacks are of whites.

In my complete honest opinion if a group of KKK members where standing in a door way in their costumes I think they would get their ass beat (depending on the weapons situation). Especially in the North.

Lets be honest here...they didnt even really need to be "Black Panther" members to scare whites. Hell I do a good job of scaring people just by being tall and black to begin with.



Let me first admit this....this is a bad thing a very bad thing BUT to many young black folks are not only not scared of anyone.....anywhere but many of them jump at the chance of being gansta's. And this mentality is a problem in the inner city. But half the kids now a days would spit in a cops face and you think they get scared beacuse you are wearing a bed sheet? $$$$a Plz!

KKK members standing there with weapons wouldnt scare a 12 year old from the D.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Actually to be honest. I think white people are more afraid of black people then blacks are of whites.

In my complete honest opinion if a group of KKK members where standing in a door way in their costumes I think they would get their ass beat (depending on the weapons situation). Especially in the North.

Lets be honest here...they didnt even really need to be "Black Panther" members to scare whites. Hell I do a good job of scaring people just by being tall and black to begin with.



Let me first admit this....this is a bad thing a very bad thing BUT to many young black folks are not only not scared of anyone.....anywhere but many of them jump at the chance of being gansta's. And this mentality is a problem in the inner city. But half the kids now a days would spit in a cops face and you think they get scared beacuse you are wearing a bed sheet? $$$$a Plz!

KKK members standing there with weapons wouldnt scare a 12 year old from the D.[/QUOTE]

Shit you dont even need to be black just look outside the middle white class norm. I have a mohawk and tattoos on my hands so people act like I am some kind of terrorist or something even though I am constantly smiling, waving and chit chatting.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Actually to be honest. I think white people are more afraid of black people then blacks are of whites.

In my complete honest opinion if a group of KKK members where standing in a door way in their costumes I think they would get their ass beat (depending on the weapons situation). Especially in the North.

Lets be honest here...they didnt even really need to be "Black Panther" members to scare whites. Hell I do a good job of scaring people just by being tall and black to begin with.



Let me first admit this....this is a bad thing a very bad thing BUT to many young black folks are not only not scared of anyone.....anywhere but many of them jump at the chance of being gansta's. And this mentality is a problem in the inner city. But half the kids now a days would spit in a cops face and you think they get scared beacuse you are wearing a bed sheet? $$$$a Plz!

KKK members standing there with weapons wouldnt scare a 12 year old from the D.[/quote]

The thing is that if you're white and you so much as lay a hand on a black, you run the risk of being charged with a hate crime... that would be great assault + hate crime = bad times. So really fighting them would not be worth it...
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Shit you dont even need to be black just look outside the middle white class norm. I have a mohawk and tattoos on my hands so people act like I am some kind of terrorist or something even though I am constantly smiling, waving and chit chatting.[/quote]

Mohawk + tattoos = a couple std deviations outside of the norm. Do you expect not to get a reaction?

If I showed up like that to an interview, guess how many job offers I'd get... ZERO! ;)
 
[quote name='BigT']The thing is that if you're white and you so much as lay a hand on a black, you run the risk of being charged with a hate crime... that would be great assault + hate crime = bad times. So really fighting them would not be worth it...[/quote]


I do not believe that for a second, I just dont.


I am not white so I cant ever really know how it goes. But that is such a cop out and one that I am kinda sick of and slightly offended by. Maybe if that exact same excuse wasnt used for EVERYTHING I would believe it.

Truly I think that is a blanket excuse and a stereotype that exist only when white people are talking to other whites. I have never once heard of something like "regular crime, regular action...etc" and just because one of the members was white instantly thought it was a hate crime or in the slightly racist.

Yes there is a handful of blacks that will play the race card on everything and usually its because they are really ignorant or lazy and they have nothing else but the VAST majority of blacks do not play race until something actually racist happens trust me.

But its a fine line thats very hard to see....this election has proved that their is still a LOT of racist people in the world and it comes up more common than anyone could imagine. And on the flip side a ton of blacks that are looking for that easy way out. But I give America's middle ground of both blacks and whites more credit to being better than that.
 
[quote name='BigT']Mohawk + tattoos = a couple std deviations outside of the norm. Do you expect not to get a reaction?

If I showed up like that to an interview, guess how many job offers I'd get... ZERO! ;)[/QUOTE]

I understand this, but should this be the way it is? No. And should it be that people in daily life act like I am some kind of ax murder the likes of which they have never seen? No. Someone can easily not like like the norm but be a kind upstanding person.
 
[quote name='BigT']The thing is that if you're white and you so much as lay a hand on a black, you run the risk of being charged with a hate crime... that would be great assault + hate crime = bad times. So really fighting them would not be worth it...[/QUOTE]

Again, let me stress that this is dead wrong. It's akin to me saying that doctors just look at you and make shit up. It's simplified, wrong, and overlooks the methodological parameters that go into diagnoses, no?

Hate crimes are thoroughly supported with evidence in order to designate them as such. It's not perfect, but hey, guess what? All scientific fields, even yours, yield inaccurate diagnoses and false positives. It's not demonstrably true, nor is it a fair criticism, to suggest that false positives/negatives happen more in the social sciences.

The FBI states, when collecting data for its hate crime statistics report (annual): "The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program collects data regarding criminal offenses that are motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender’s bias against a race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, or disability and are committed against persons, property, or society. Because motivation is subjective, it is sometimes difficult to know with certainty whether a crime resulted from the offender’s bias. Moreover, the presence of bias alone does not necessarily mean that a crime can be considered a hate crime. Only when law enforcement investigation reveals sufficient evidence to lead a reasonable and prudent person to conclude that the offender’s actions were motivated, in whole or in part, by his or her bias, should an incident be reported as a hate crime."

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/methodology.htm

So laying a hand on a black person if you're white is insufficient. If you call that person a '$$$$er,' and you happen to be wearing a "Skrewdriver" shirt and perhaps have a copy of "Mein Kampf" sitting in your nearby-parked car (just an absurd hypothetical), then you're talking about a different scenario. They collect evidence from crime scenes as best as possible and make empirical guesses based on that evidence. Just like physicians' diagnoses are best guesses that are based upon a combination of empirically-attainable criteria.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hmm. I would have liked to have seen them be intimidating, really. Don't get me wrong - they shouldn't be standing there with weapons in their hands. But what's wrong with hangin' around the polls like a groupie for Rick Astley, man?

For all the allusions, they lack video of how these two guys served to intimidate people who would be going to the polls. That's pretty crucial, as otherwise, you simply have allusions.[/QUOTE]


You can't be serious. 2 people standing in front of a polling place in pseudo-para-military garb, one holding a night stick isn't intimidating on face value? If you're not being facetious in that comment, you've actually crossed the border into Looneyville.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']You can't be serious. 2 people standing in front of a polling place in pseudo-para-military garb, one holding a night stick isn't intimidating on face value? If you're not being facetious in that comment, you've actually crossed the border into Looneyville.[/QUOTE]

Forgive my tough-guy persona, as they're always suspect on the internet, of course, but they wouldn't have stopped me from voting.

Moreover, I reject the idea that the visage is intimidating on its surface. The nightstick puts it over the edge, and it certain isn't benign when lacking simply that, but nor is it intimidating. Unless you're subject to the "all black men are scary" mentality.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Forgive my tough-guy persona, as they're always suspect on the internet, of course, but they wouldn't have stopped me from voting.

Moreover, I reject the idea that the visage is intimidating on its surface. The nightstick puts it over the edge, and it certain isn't benign when lacking simply that, but nor is it intimidating. Unless you're subject to the "all black men are scary" mentality.[/QUOTE]

No, I'm not subject to that. If it were two police officers, or two white guys in para-millitary garb, one slapping a night stick in his hand would be just as intimidating - on it's surface. I suppose everyone in your neighborhood walks around thumping nightsticks, so you must be accustomed to it.


And if it WERE 2 white guys with nightsticks, you'd be the first person to be screaming "Voter Intimidation at the Polls !"
 
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Well, if the police were called to the scene to resolve the matter, and did, I would consider it as much of a non-issue as I do this.

Unless there's something else you'd like to tell me I'd do, since you can think for me.
 
People were disenfranchised, myke. You should be doling out sympathy, not apathy. Oh wait, your candidate won, so it's a non-issue. No outrage needed.
 
Black Panthers? wow, they're still around...well, Bush stole the 2000 election, so things aren't close to even yet. Maybe if the Panthers beat up Jeb Bush. On live TV.
 
Also would anyone really be suprised if Fox News set this whole thing up? They are hardly above this kind of journalism and this thing was just too damn comical and not covered by any other networks.
 
Larry, Moe, and Curly all in a row.

"Prove it", which is never necessary when it's democrats being disenfranchised or intimidated.

"..close to being even..." - payback instead of equality under the law

"Fox news....setup...' - the Conspiracy.


You people are the epitome of the left.
 
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Talking about boring and lazy, you take the cake, myke.

I'd look up the cowardly lion but he really had courage after all, unlike you.
 
[quote name='ninja dog']Black Panthers? wow, they're still around...well, Bush stole the 2000 election, so things aren't close to even yet. Maybe if the Panthers beat up Jeb Bush. On live TV.[/quote]

Maybe that's a lame attempt at a joke, but it's not funny. The double-standard in this country on racism and thug mentality would be comedic if it wasn't so frighteningly ignorant and destructive.
 
[quote name='camoor']Maybe that's a lame attempt at a joke, but it's not funny. The double-standard in this country on racism and thug mentality would be comedic if it wasn't so frighteningly ignorant and destructive.[/QUOTE]

Its not a double standard. We simply recongize just how different the cirumstances are. We are not saying we excuse the violence/intimidation of blacks, simply that it is alot more understandable where black youths feel it is an acceptable option.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Its not a double standard. We simply recongize just how different the cirumstances are. We are not saying we excuse the violence/intimidation of blacks, simply that it is alot more understandable where black youths feel it is an acceptable option.[/quote]

Did you even read the post I replied to?

MSI - you say you can understand the actions of these guys, and I think that's really cute. I get the vibe that many on this board (such as you and koggit) think their "understanding" is going to somehow protect them, you're a real man of the people and these guys are only after Fox news reporters and Republicans. Let me clue you into something - these types of thugs are all the same - throughout history they may wear different uniforms, they may carry different weapons, they may look different, they may organize under different philosophies - but one thing they all have in common is that they all use violence to intimidate people of different races or religions. And they don't give a damn whether you understand them or not.

But don't take my word for it. Next time you're sporting your pink mohawk around town, please feel free to go up to a armed uniformed group of any stripe and profess your understanding. I'd like to know how that works out.
 
[quote name='camoor']Did you even read the post I replied to?

MSI - you say you can understand the actions of these guys, and I think that's really cute. I get the vibe that many on this board (such as you and koggit) think their "understanding" is going to somehow protect them, you're a real man of the people and these guys are only after Fox news reporters and Republicans. Let me clue you into something - these types of thugs are all the same - throughout history they may wear different uniforms, they may carry different weapons, they may look different, they may organize under different philosophies - but one thing they all have in common is that they all use violence to intimidate people of different races or religions. And they don't give a damn whether you understand them or not.

But don't take my word for it. Next time you're sporting your pink mohawk around town, please feel free to go up to a armed uniformed group of any stripe and profess your understanding. I'd like to know how that works out.[/QUOTE]

Ummmm no. I think they would have harrased any white person that tried to pass. I dont think wow im a man of the people they would let me through(though wearing my fly ass hip hop hooddie they might have!)or some stupid stuff like that. In high school I walked into a bathroom between classes and had a bunch of black kids try to pick a fight calling me white boy and cracker then telling me to get the fuck out before I got my ass kicked. Had a similar situation happan in shop class but this time one waved a knife at me. I understand that violence is violence and that its not just targeted at the most white of white people. I am just saying blacks and whites using strong arm tactics should both be looked down upon and not tolerated.....however I have symphathy for blacks before whites because I have seen first hand some of the shit they have gone through even in these days.
 
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