Black Spider man? Would be pretty sweet.

[quote name='ITDEFX']twitter can go fuck themselves. I'm already pissed at the reboot Sony is doing to the series. The series can be fixed with Spiderman 4 if written properly. The actors are ok, but story needs to be better. Don't fix what's not yet broken.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know why they are doing a reboot in the first place? All 3 films grossed around 800 million each (to put it in perspective, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 each made 550 million). It isn't like the last film was a box office bomb. It made 890 million!
 
[quote name='draven1089']Blade started off white. He was turned black after a secret wars.[/QUOTE]


no way really???? ok youve got to give me that comic book name and number because i have to see this shit for myself.
 
they can do whatever they want, they have a brother in the white house.

but seriously, why not. they made nick fury black.
 
[quote name='Kendro']Anyone know why they are doing a reboot in the first place? All 3 films grossed around 800 million each (to put it in perspective, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 each made 550 million). It isn't like the last film was a box office bomb. It made 890 million![/QUOTE]

I guess they figured that, since they were going to have a new cast and director, they would be better off with a reboot. Also, while it made a lot of money, Spider-Man 3 was crap.

[quote name='HuBu']they can do whatever they want, they have a brother in the white house.

but seriously, why not. they made nick fury black.[/QUOTE]

I haven't read any comics in 15 years or so, but as far as movies go, Sam Jackson as Black Nick Fury is 8.9 billion times better than David Hasselhoff as white Nick Fury. And, as was said, Ultimate Nick Fury is black.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Topher Grace was in Spider-Man 3, though. I don't know if he'd make such a good Parker, anyway. Honestly, as much as I dislike the guy, Michael Cera could play the Parker role quite well, but not the Spider-Man part.[/QUOTE]


i hope they dont do that that guy is fucking annoying on so many levels. hi and that mclovin kid and the napoleon dynatime guy. is it decided if the spider series will be ultimates version or the regular one?
 
[quote name='HuBu']they can do whatever they want, they have a brother in the white house.

but seriously, why not. they made nick fury black.[/QUOTE]

which is the race he is during the ultimate series.
 
[quote name='lokizz']i hope they dont do that that guy is fucking annoying on so many levels. hi and that mclovin kid and the napoleon dynatime guy. is it decided if the spider series will be ultimates version or the regular one?[/QUOTE]

I agree, he is annoying, but he would fit the dorky Peter Parker role.
 
[quote name='draven1089']Blade started off white. He was turned black after a secret wars.[/QUOTE]
Blade was introduced as African American in Tomb of Dracula around 1972. Long before any Secret Wars crossover began (which he wasn't a part of) and was introduced more because of blaxploitation craze.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I guess they figured that, since they were going to have a new cast and director, they would be better off with a reboot. Also, while it made a lot of money, Spider-Man 3 was crap.



I haven't read any comics in 15 years or so, but as far as movies go, Sam Jackson as Black Nick Fury is 8.9 billion times better than David Hasselhoff as white Nick Fury. And, as was said, Ultimate Nick Fury is black.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't talking about the acting, if it comes down to acting, yes Sam is better but we are talking about the original concept here. Story wise, Fury has always been white. Ultimate Nick Fury is black and just came out recently in 2001 whereas the original Nick first appeared in 1963. It's like taking away the history of Magneto being a Jew.
 
[quote name='lokizz']no its not. i hate when people try to chane the races or sexs of characters like that. spiderman is white guy leave it alone unless youre oin for an alternate universe thing then cool but i cant help but to think their only doing this to appeal to a wider audience meaning put a black guy in the leading role and maybe youll get more black people in the theaters.

question is though if he does get the role would mj and betty still be white or would they go with latinas and asian chicks? and would they let him talk normally or would he use slang and do stereotypical black things? and how many other characters races would be changed and into what?

id hope they would at least let him use his science know how more because peter parker is very intelligent so if they find a way to mix that into his fighting.[/QUOTE]


Again, my question to you is, if you have a problem with this did you also have a problem with the thousands of roles that were originality Non white Leads being change to white Americans?

Its just such a strange concept (but one that Americans are really good at) to be outraged or put your foot down by this but completely ignore the reverse. How can you say that you hate when people try and do this when it has been going on for the entire history of media.

This is one of the few times where you simply cant play both sides. You cant say that you have a problem with them changing Parkers race but then not care that A Swedish guy is playing a Iranian in Prince of Persia.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Again, my question to you is, if you have a problem with this did you also have a problem with the thousands of roles that were originality Non white Leads being change to white Americans?

Its just such a strange concept (but one that Americans are really good at) to be outraged or put your foot down by this but completely ignore the reverse. How can you say that you hate when people try and do this when it has been going on for the entire history of media.

This is one of the few times where you simply cant play both sides. You cant say that you have a problem with them changing Parkers race but then not care that A Swedish guy is playing a Iranian in Prince of Persia.[/QUOTE]

Is there even an Iranian actor thats well know in the US?
 
I just realized I never answered the original questions. Do I care? No, just make the movie fucking good for god sakes. Focus on one villain at time and pick one that is actually worth focusing on.

Maybe its a good thing that someone is finally looking at talent of the actors when making a movie. (I never heard of this guy but benefit of the doubt) Maybe he just makes the best spiderman and if so...more power to him. As it was said before, I wouldnt care if he was a Negro Jew born in Russia...if he can act give it to him.
 
[quote name='HuBu']Is there even an Iranian actor thats well know in the US?[/QUOTE]

No....mostly because Hollywood wont cast any non white actors as lead roles. Do you see my point now? How do you become well known if you are only offered bit roles?

There is a actor for every race, religion,sex, creed on the planet. The problem is that the people who fund movies and ultimately have the final say still think this is 1942 and their only demographics is White American Males.

Hell even the video game world which was normally viewed as a outcast median still believes their target demo is 15-25 year old White Males. Thats why 95% of all video games have a white lead.

Because apparently white folks cant relate to anyone other than other white people. Its almost like how most Monsters in horror movies still have 2 legs and stand slightly upright. Because in film it is said that audiences cant relate to anything that doesnt look humanoid.
 
[quote name='batman1939']Now who whats to yell at me because I said black and not Afro-American?[/QUOTE]

Probably nobody, but you're definitely the victim here.
 
There are plenty of black people in lead roles. The main reason there are fewer black people in lead roles than there are white people is that, well... there are a lot more white people in the United States than there are black people.
 
Soodmeg;7259406 No said:
Amen! All that matters is whether the film is good.

Though I am on the side that thinks the franchise didn't really want a reboot, and I liked McGuire in the role. The studio forced Raimi to go with multiple villains in 3 as I understand it.

Seems an easy fix would be for them to stay out of it and let Raimi make a single villain film of his choosing again as the first two rocked.

Spiderman 3 should have focused on Sandman and Peter's struggle with the alien suit, with Venom only emerging at the end to set up the 4th movie.

But as long as the reboot turns out well, I'm fine with it and whoever they cast.
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Did anyone care whenever Michael Clarke Duncan was cast as the Kingpin in Daredevil? Not that I can remember, because we could all see him as the Kingpin. Honestly, I cannot think of anyone else out there that I would rather have as the Kingpin, white or black. If they find a guy who can believably be both a huge dork and a witty web-slinger, let him do it.

However, I will openly wonder if casting a non-white character would involve a good deal of non-white washing with the cast. If Peter Parker is black, it wouldn't make much sense for Aunt May to be white...same with Uncle Ben (would there be trademark issues with a black Uncle Ben?).
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']would there be trademark issues with a black Uncle Ben?[/QUOTE]

lmao. If the name "Uncle Ben" is trademarked then it's trademarked. It's not trademarked as "Uncle Ben, but only when referring to a black guy."

And as far as making Aunt May and Uncle Ben black, it wouldn't be absolutely necessary, they're not his parents. You could only change peter parker's race and nothing else if you wanted to.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']Did anyone care whenever Michael Clarke Duncan was cast as the Kingpin in Daredevil? Not that I can remember, because we could all see him as the Kingpin. Honestly, I cannot think of anyone else out there that I would rather have as the Kingpin, white or black. If they find a guy who can believably be both a huge dork and a witty web-slinger, let him do it.

However, I will openly wonder if casting a non-white character would involve a good deal of non-white washing with the cast. If Peter Parker is black, it wouldn't make much sense for Aunt May to be white...same with Uncle Ben (would there be trademark issues with a black Uncle Ben?).[/QUOTE]


I thought Duncan was a great choice, but yes there was complaining about it on forums when it was announced etc.

It's not so much a racist type of issue, it was mostly comic nerds who want the films to match the comic's they love as closely as possible.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I thought Duncan was a great choice, but yes there was complaining about it on forums when it was announced etc.

It's not so much a racist type of issue, it was mostly comic nerds who want the films to match the comic's they love as closely as possible.[/QUOTE]

Duncan was a great choice for KP. Daredevil was a great movie. They don't need to fix daredevil.

[quote name='camoor']How about spiderman as an Indian woman?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNF2UuX6-Gk&feature=related[/QUOTE]

WTF!?!?!?

[quote name='batman1939']Because he would be Captain Mexico. There is a Black Captain America (Captain America: Truth), Black Superman (Final Crisis), Black Batman (Just Imagine Stan Lee Created.) Now who whats to yell at me because I said black and not Afro-American?[/QUOTE]

Oh my god I bust a gut when I read that. :applause: so all us Hispanics are Mexican now huh?
 
The way I see it Peter Parker is a supposed to represent an everyday guy. Stan Lee said it him self that he thinks petter parker could be anyone of any race. So really its not that big of a deal to have an actor of another race play Spiderman.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']Did anyone care whenever Michael Clarke Duncan was cast as the Kingpin in Daredevil? Not that I can remember, because we could all see him as the Kingpin. Honestly, I cannot think of anyone else out there that I would rather have as the Kingpin, white or black. If they find a guy who can believably be both a huge dork and a witty web-slinger, let him do it.

However, I will openly wonder if casting a non-white character would involve a good deal of non-white washing with the cast. If Peter Parker is black, it wouldn't make much sense for Aunt May to be white...same with Uncle Ben (would there be trademark issues with a black Uncle Ben?).[/QUOTE]

nobody cared because nobody watched the movie lol seriously though was that movie any good i never saw it.
 
[quote name='lokizz']nobody cared because nobody watched the movie lol seriously though was that movie any good i never saw it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah one of the best comic book movies.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Again, my question to you is, if you have a problem with this did you also have a problem with the thousands of roles that were originality Non white Leads being change to white Americans?

Its just such a strange concept (but one that Americans are really good at) to be outraged or put your foot down by this but completely ignore the reverse. How can you say that you hate when people try and do this when it has been going on for the entire history of media.

This is one of the few times where you simply cant play both sides. You cant say that you have a problem with them changing Parkers race but then not care that A Swedish guy is playing a Iranian in Prince of Persia.[/QUOTE]


yeah i said i did i dont like it either way. im not angrily against a black spiderman but for major main characters like that they should keep it as is. change the villans thats cool but keep the main character as is. id like to see an asian green goblin if you think about how aisan , especially japanese, cultures are with putting pressure on their sons to live up to their parents standards itd be an interesting dynamic.

just because theyve been doing it for centuries doesnt make it right and my major concern or a black spiderman is how theyre going to handle it because its pretty obvious how the media sees black people and what their idea of what is it to be black.

and as far as that prince of persia thing goes they shouldnt have cast jake gylenhall as the prince its stupid if youre going to do a movie based in a country then use the actual people even if it means bringing in a well known foreign actor and on top of that it sucks when they use diff asian groups to play diff asian groups( like japanese people to play chineese or chinesse to be korean) its offensive and ignorant but the basic rationale for some is that all asian look alike so who will know. i know and i dont like when its done.


basic summary of my rant id prefer if they didnt cast him as black because i can see some of the stupid shit they will do with it and when it comes to iconic characters its better to stick with the source. thatd be like changing capt america black or asian or mexican.

oh yeah just so you know im black so this isnt coming from a racist pov.
 
[quote name='lokizz']
basic summary of my rant id prefer if they didnt cast him as black because i can see some of the stupid shit they will do with it and when it comes to iconic characters its better to stick with the source. thatd be like changing capt america black or asian or mexican.
[/QUOTE]

Spiderman as intended to be any race. Its what the character was based on so why not run with it. Why not cast someone thats actually funny and can play the role? An actor should be cast based on their ability to play the role not the color of their skin.
 
[quote name='Spyder187']Instead of Aunt May would if have to be Aunt Jemima now? Uncle Ben would still work of course.[/QUOTE]

Oh my, that's hilarious. That post was almost as useless as your first. Got any more gems?
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Spiderman as intended to be any race. Its what the character was based on so why not run with it. Why not cast someone thats actually funny and can play the role? An actor should be cast based on their ability to play the role not the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]

hey if he can pull it off im all for it but, and this is my major issue with it, hollywoods concept of what it is to be black is very hard to swallow. i could see it ending up like marlon wayans playing spiderman alot of lame pop culture references, hip black lingo and of course a shitload of advertising of things that both black and other people would like to buy.

speaking of which i wonder how many things theyll be advertisin in this one? im sure he'll have an iphone and his favorite drink will be coke.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.............. maybe for the first week then drop off after the second week.


[/QUOTE]

Uh... that is why they make movies. To make money. It could be a god awful movie, but if it turns a massive profit, the companies won't care.

Also, you underestimate how much black people themselves play into the race card and "gettin' up." DVD and Blu Ray sales, maybe poster sales, will sky rocket as it will be seen as an American cultural break through (and in many ways, it is.)
 
[quote name='budsmoka'] They could make Peter Half black.[/QUOTE]


Then we could have the argument of wether or not he gets a big dick or bad credit.
 
[quote name='Will']Then we could have the argument of wether or not he gets a big dick or bad credit.[/QUOTE]

Well the character already has shitty credit so I guess he'll inherent a big dick.
 
[quote name='Will']Then we could have the argument of wether or not he gets a big dick or bad credit.[/QUOTE]

Yea, and watch him get pulled over with his bling bling moped :cool:

[quote name='help1']Uh... that is why they make movies. To make money. It could be a god awful movie, but if it turns a massive profit, the companies won't care.

Also, you underestimate how much black people themselves play into the race card and "gettin' up." DVD and Blu Ray sales, maybe poster sales, will sky rocket as it will be seen as an American cultural break through (and in many ways, it is.)[/QUOTE]

right on brotha
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Yea, and watch him get pulled over with his bling bling moped :cool:

[/QUOTE]


He'd also never get to a crime scene on time :cool:
 
[quote name='draven1089']Blade started off white. He was turned black after a secret wars.[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is that they better write a good script.

The first two Blade movies worked because they were written for Wesley Snipes. The martial arts, the deadpan, and there's just something funny about the scene where he walks into the European vampire rave and says "what the fuck..." Plus Blade is not an established character like Spiderman, so you can play fast and loose with the mythology and most people aren't going to care.

The original Matrix cast was supposed to have a black guy in the Neo role and an older white guy, like Anthony Hopkins, in the Morpheous role.

I had a problem with the Spiderman movies because Tobey was too angst-ridden and careful. The fun with Spiderman is that he is a motormouth who talks a good game and gets carried away in the moment - so much so that he often bites off more then he can chew. I think a wisecracking comedian-actor would be a perfect fit. I'm somewhat agnostic on the main topic of this thread. I don't see how it would add to the movie, but if he's the right guy for the role then why not.

Got to say though - we've already had Spawn and Blade. Any chance of an Asian or Latino superhero movie?
 
[quote name='camoor']
Got to say though - we've already had Spawn and Blade. Any chance of an Asian or Latino superhero movie?[/QUOTE]

Son Goku. Oh wait....
 
[quote name='lokizz']
oh yeah just so you know im black so this isnt coming from a racist pov.[/QUOTE]

Lol so by being black its not possible to be racist?
 
Donald Glover is awesome, I support this just to see the BAWWWWWing of the internet.

"WHAT IS THIS SPIDERMAN 3 WAS SOOO GREAT THIS RUINED THE FRANCHISE MY HINDSIGHT IS EXCELLENT!"
 
I don't have any problem with who they cast. If the best actor for the role is black, roll with it. But to seek out a black actor just for the sake of it seems ridiculous.. the franchise has so much prestige that they could afford whoever they feel is best and not just a black guy because 5 white guys stunk up auditions. Oops.. now I feel like my civil servant relatives talking about affirmative action. :whistle2:x
 
[quote name='blissskr']Lol so by being black its not possible to be racist?[/QUOTE]

are you really that fucking stupid or just trying to be funny ? i never once said black people cant be racist all i was doing was letting him know im not some angry white guy who doesnt want his beloved character to become black. im a comic nerd who hates to see characters messed with for the sake of profit or attracting a wider range of movie goers as well as perpetuating the bland image of what they think it means to be black.
 
Does the article actually say they are doing this just for the hell of it? Or is that something people are assuming?
 
[quote name='lokizz']are you really that fucking stupid or just trying to be funny ? i never once said black people cant be racist all i was doing was letting him know im not some angry white guy who doesnt want his beloved character to become black. im a comic nerd who hates to see characters messed with for the sake of profit or attracting a wider range of movie goers as well as perpetuating the bland image of what they think it means to be black.[/QUOTE]

Lol I just found it funny you had to point out that your black so your pov isn't racist.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Dude, they already turned the Karate Kid black. Enough. Stop.[/QUOTE]



HA HA HA HA amen to that . . . you cant beat the original. I mean come on is 'hollywood' really running outta ideas??? If they do cast a BLACK spider-man it would be the most ridiculous movie . . . ever!!! Yep i said it . . . . . I can just imagine what all the BLACK celebrities will say about it . . . "Oh shit its gonna be . . CRUNK fool" HA HA HA HA If Marvel does go thru with it then there just as ignorant as the 'american public' . . . . 'Nuff said :roll:
 
when i heard black spiderman i first though Vemon :)


i could give a rats ass who plays them if the movie was good i go see it ..

is pee wee still around.. they should made him spiderman :)
 
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