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[quote name='Pliskin101']nah it is surround sound..... soodmeg dohdough then msut then you. Wait where is the middle speaker...renique should join in so we are just missing the subwoofer maybe soul?



Sophisticated?[/QUOTE]

Wow dude, I've never once attacked you. You seriously need some help.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']Wow dude, I've never once attacked you. You seriously need some help.[/QUOTE]

I did say maybe since all you did was question me and not anyone else. That was you right?

So what I called some people on their BS? They attack and attack and expect nothing in return? Everyone on this thread is pathetic and now I am too since I joined this crazy shit hole of a thread and fell into their racist mental little games. Now I am no better then them but I sure and the hell am not any worse that is for damn sure.
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101']I did say maybe since all you did was question me and not anyone else. That was you right?

So what I called some people on their BS? They attack and attack and expect nothing in return? Everyone on this thread is pathetic and now I am too since I joined this crazy shit hole of a thread and fell into their racist mental little games. Now I am no better then them but I sure and the hell am not any worse that is for damn sure.[/QUOTE]
LOLZ

Please describe how I'm racist and/or played "racist mental little games." Use examples and be as specific as you can.
 
[quote name='dohdough']LOLZ

Please describe how I'm racist and/or played "racist mental little games." Use examples and be as specific as you can.[/QUOTE]

Not that I am on anyone's side here or anything, I haven't read more than two or three of the posts, but I could quote (assuming old threads aren't deleted) a multitude of posts between us in which you have claimed it is impossible for a white person to not be racist.

Even a white person spending their entire life fighting for civil rights, and such would be considered racists to you because they supposedly got "that lucky break" they needed from skin color.

Discrimination of that magnitude can only be described as racism.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Not that I am on anyone's side here or anything, I haven't read more than two or three of the posts, but I could quote (assuming old threads aren't deleted) a multitude of posts between us in which you have claimed it is impossible for a white person to not be racist.[/quote]
It's nice of you to remember some of the content, but it would've been even nicer if you remembered more of it and actually understood it instead of using convenient soundbites that distort the context. And as for you not being on anyone's "side," I can only :roll:.

Even a white person spending their entire life fighting for civil rights, and such would be considered racists to you because they supposedly got "that lucky break" they needed from skin color.
See...this is exactly what I'm talking about. You just bunched together a couple of things you saw me post and used tenuous relationships to put them together.

Fighting for civil rights doesn't mean that you don't have racist views or have a deep understanding of what they're "fighting" for or their type of activism. You saying that some white person spending their entire life "fighting for civil rights" is meaningless when you don't describe what "fighting" entails. Going from that to getting a "lucky break" is even more meaningless when you don't give any context as to what that "break" is.

Discrimination of that magnitude can only be described as racism.
People of color cannot be racist because they do not have the institutional power to discriminate or oppress whites. This is on top of the fact that your stupid example actually describes prejudice, not discrimination. Racism implies and requires power.
 
[quote name='dohdough']

People of color cannot be racist because they do not have the institutional power to discriminate or oppress whites. This is on top of the fact that your stupid example actually describes prejudice, not discrimination. Racism implies and requires power.[/QUOTE]


Does that pertain to the U.S. only or all parts of the world?
 
I would disagree with that DD, people of color can be racist....I think you are lumping racism and oppression into one thing and its not. You can be racist as hell with no way of showing it....

They might go hand and hand but I dont think they are the same.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Does that pertain to the U.S. only or all parts of the world?[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to make a point here?

[quote name='Soodmeg']I would disagree with that DD, people of color can be racist....I think you are lumping racism and oppression into one thing and its not. You can be racist as hell with no way of showing it....

They might go hand and hand but I dont think they are the same.[/QUOTE]
Both require power and racism is a type of oppression. All racism is oppression, but not all oppression is racist in nature. Implying that people of color can be racist is saying that they have the institutional power, as a group, to oppress whites, who have the most institutional power. It's simply impossible because you can't oppress the oppressors. You're mistaking prejudice and discrimination on an individual level for a societal one.

If you're talking about people of color being prejudiced against each other, that's a little more complicated, but it still isn't an expression of institutional power no matter how you cut it.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Yeah, it's totally not like Pliskin wanted to derail the thread into a screed about weed=bad and Pliskin's vices=ok.[/QUOTE]

As I said, some people just look for any excuse they can.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Look out DD I mean soodmeg I mean dohdough ...oh hell I don't know.... DD is now claiming to be a "kid" and since he said "us" I guess he is now implying his HIP partner Soodmeg is one too. Strange I thought they both represented themselves to be young men in their twenties on these forums.

Playing the victim....shock. The next card in his deck.... The KID card... LOL[/QUOTE]

Dohdough and Soodmeg bring up alot of decent points and you dismiss them out of hand, claiming that it is a game of "playing the victim".

Forgive me for "playing Captain Obvious" but that's pretty racist.
 
[quote name='dohdough']It's nice of you to remember some of the content, but it would've been even nicer if you remembered more of it and actually understood it instead of using convenient soundbites that distort the context. And as for you not being on anyone's "side," I can only :roll:.


See...this is exactly what I'm talking about. You just bunched together a couple of things you saw me post and used tenuous relationships to put them together.

Fighting for civil rights doesn't mean that you don't have racist views or have a deep understanding of what they're "fighting" for or their type of activism. You saying that some white person spending their entire life "fighting for civil rights" is meaningless when you don't describe what "fighting" entails. Going from that to getting a "lucky break" is even more meaningless when you don't give any context as to what that "break" is.


People of color cannot be racist because they do not have the institutional power to discriminate or oppress whites. This is on top of the fact that your stupid example actually describes prejudice, not discrimination. Racism implies and requires power.[/QUOTE]

You want to give me a lesson on definitions? You are the one that consistantly uses the term racism to define economic inequality. And then you go on to critique that prejudice is not racism, lol.

Regardless and to the point, discriminating or condemning an entire race of people to be racist is akin to saying all muslims are helping the extremists by not stopping them. But you of course will not see it that way, because whites are the majority and the majority can take being discriminated, and/or oppressed because it won't take place on a national basis. Amiright?
 
[quote name='camoor']Dohdough and Soodmeg bring up alot of decent points and you dismiss them out of hand, claiming that it is a game of "playing the victim".

Forgive me for "playing Captain Obvious" but that's pretty racist.[/QUOTE]


ROTFLOL. That has got to be the most moronic thing you have said yet. According to your idol DD black people can't be racist especially against or towards other black people... yet here you are contradicting that and calling me racist against them , those two..."black people". You can't have it both ways there pal. They are your idols and are sophisticated according to you but yet you disagree with at least one DD and call me RACIST.

HELLO MCFLY?

edit: So because I do not like or agree with the two self-proclaimed angry, young, confused and stupid black men on this thread then according to you that must mean I am what exactly? Damn talk about you being "obvious" in your _____. Sorry was that to "captain obvious" for you or should I make it more clearerer?
 
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[quote name='GBAstar']Does that pertain to the U.S. only or all parts of the world?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='dohdough']Are you trying to make a point here?


Both require power and racism is a type of oppression. All racism is oppression, but not all oppression is racist in nature. Implying that people of color can be racist is saying that they have the institutional power, as a group, to oppress whites, who have the most institutional power. It's simply impossible because you can't oppress the oppressors. You're mistaking prejudice and discrimination on an individual level for a societal one.

If you're talking about people of color being prejudiced against each other, that's a little more complicated, but it still isn't an expression of institutional power no matter how you cut it.[/QUOTE]


My point is you are playing semantics. If you want to define racism as a type of oppression then what about the parts of the world where blacks are the majority race and they have the majority of power? Can they be racist there?

What about in neighborhoods that are primarily black, can blacks be racist in those neighborhoods? What about the schools or HBCU's that are primarily black and run by a primarily black adiminstration, can they be racist in that setting against whites?

So your reasoning of blacks can't be racist because they don't have the insituational power to opress anyone all depends on the level of "Zoom" that you use. If you zoom all the way out and look at the world globally or the United States as a whole then maybe they can't be (according to you) but if you zoom in and look at certain countries outside the U.S. or certain areas inside the U.S. where blacks are the majority and do hold the power then how the hell can't they be racist?

And if you tweak the definition of racism or just drop that word and use "hate" then how can blacks not hate whites or any other race hate whites for ignorant reasons?

And when are things going to be good enough so you no longer feel opressed? Will blacks need to hold a majority stake on Wall Street? In the government? On your local school board?
 
[quote name='Knoell']You want to give me a lesson on definitions? You are the one that consistantly uses the term racism to define economic inequality.[/quote]
Actually, I don't use it in the way you describe. Its the prime cause and not economic inequality itself, considering disparity falls along racial lines. If it didn't, then we'd see proportional distribution. Nice attempt at word salad though.

And then you go on to critique that prejudice is not racism, lol.
It isn't. Especially when its coming from a group that is oppressed and disenfranchised by the group they're prejudiced against.

Regardless and to the point, discriminating or condemning an entire race of people to be racist is akin to saying all muslims are helping the extremists by not stopping them. But you of course will not see it that way, because whites are the majority and the majority can take being discriminated, and/or oppressed because it won't take place on a national basis. Amiright?
Discrimination and prejudice are two different things and are completely incompatible in your analogy because you're using them wrong and have no idea how what they mean. Being prejudiced is not discriminatory. Prejudice is a state of being. Discrimination is an action. Its similar to the difference between effect and affect.

I'm just going to cut to the chase here. So what you're asserting is that non-white on white discrimination is comparable on every level to white on non-white racism? How the fuck can 15% of the population, at best, somehow oppress over 50% of the population that still benefits from white supremacy? It has nothing to do with being able to "take it" when the system wasn't built to make it possible. Its the difference between calling someone a cracker and a n****r. History makes a goddamn difference.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']My point is you are playing semantics. If you want to define racism as a type of oppression then what about the parts of the world where blacks are the majority race and they have the majority of power? Can they be racist there?[/quote]
You couldn't have just made that point instead of trying to bait me with a loaded question like a fucking tool?

Explain South Africa to me.

What about in neighborhoods that are primarily black, can blacks be racist in those neighborhoods? What about the schools or HBCU's that are primarily black and run by a primarily black adiminstration, can they be racist in that setting against whites?[/quotes]
Those towns, cities, and schools still operate within a larger system that limits the type of discrimination they could dish out. You ignoring that black people were herded into ghettos for decades due to segregation and disenfranchisement doesn't change that and neither does ignoring how HBCU's were formed because it was the only place a black person could go to college.

So your reasoning of blacks can't be racist because they don't have the insituational power to opress anyone all depends on the level of "Zoom" that you use. If you zoom all the way out and look at the world globally or the United States as a whole then maybe they can't be (according to you) but if you zoom in and look at certain countries outside the U.S. or certain areas inside the U.S. where blacks are the majority and do hold the power then how the hell can't they be racist?
No. My reasoning doesn't ignore history and its not just according to me. The continent of Africa has had a long history of European and US expliotation and colonization for centuries which left deeply seeded cultural influence in regards to racial classes. The same goes for South America.

You shouldn't even be trying to use the US social construction of race and apply them to other countries when most countries define race more along ethnic or nationalistic lines.

And if you tweak the definition of racism or just drop that word and use "hate" then how can blacks not hate whites or any other race hate whites for ignorant reasons?
You can't take history out of the equation because it's inconvenient to your argument.

You said you have a degree in micro-biology right? Well how would you feel or respond to me saying that germ theory was bullshit because I can't see germs with my eyes, evolution is bunk, and that sickness is caused by not spinning like a top every day for 5 seconds when the sun is setting or maybe how it doesn't work that way in 190 out of a million multiverses.

And when are things going to be good enough so you no longer feel opressed? Will blacks need to hold a majority stake on Wall Street? In the government? On your local school board?
It's not a fucking numbers game. Again, South Africa.
 
[quote name='dohdough']You couldn't have just made that point instead of trying to bait me with a loaded question like a fucking tool?

Explain South Africa to me.

What about in neighborhoods that are primarily black, can blacks be racist in those neighborhoods? What about the schools or HBCU's that are primarily black and run by a primarily black adiminstration, can they be racist in that setting against whites?[/quotes]
Those towns, cities, and schools still operate within a larger system that limits the type of discrimination they could dish out. You ignoring that black people were herded into ghettos for decades due to segregation and disenfranchisement doesn't change that and neither does ignoring how HBCU's were formed because it was the only place a black person could go to college.


No. My reasoning doesn't ignore history and its not just according to me. The continent of Africa has had a long history of European and US expliotation and colonization for centuries which left deeply seeded cultural influence in regards to racial classes. The same goes for South America.

You shouldn't even be trying to use the US social construction of race and apply them to other countries when most countries define race more along ethnic or nationalistic lines.


You can't take history out of the equation because it's inconvenient to your argument.

You said you have a degree in micro-biology right? Well how would you feel or respond to me saying that germ theory was bullshit because I can't see germs with my eyes, evolution is bunk, and that sickness is caused by not spinning like a top every day for 5 seconds when the sun is setting or maybe how it doesn't work that way in 190 out of a million multiverses.


It's not a fucking numbers game. Again, South Africa.


I'm not pliskin; I'm not trying to bait you.

I'm trying to understand your logic.

To me how you define racism is similar to how the conservative christians define marriage. They say marriage can't exist between anything other then a man and a woman because that is how the bible defines it [marriage]. They supposedly aren't against two men or woman being together but they are against them being married because that would go against what the word "marriage" means [to them].

You're saying black people can't be racist because they lack the institutional power to be so. That is what racism means to you; and it could very well be what racism means; it just is not my understand of the word. Right or wrong.

But... Fine. I won't even disagree with that. But that doesn't mean that black people or people of any color don't hate on white people based on ignorant assumptions. Am I bad because I may have had a family member hundreds of years ago that had slaves? Because I may have had a relative during the civil rights movement that used the word ni****?


How does that have anything to do with me? How does that have anything to do with them?

Should I hate the English for what occurred 300+ years ago?


I'm not calling you an idiot or your thought process idiotic but I genuinely do not understand the level to which you are taking these issues.


Edit: I understand your reference to the germ theory and point taken; all I'm trying to say is that depending on how you broad you look at things you can't tell me that there aren't certain aspects of life where blacks, spanish, etc do have the institutional power to be racist---regardless if it is within a neighborhood block, an institution, a league or another country.
 
......and people wonder why I do not like or agree and refuse to promote ANYTHING DD posts? Just look at his rants over this thread.. other threads this forum and other forums or just look at his last couple pages alone. Some serious serious racism and sickness going on in that brain of his. He reminds me of.. actually he echos a lot of cult types... black supremacist types etc that are just so lost and so disturbed it is hard for me to describe as it makes me literally ill.

But wait I must be racist because I don't BLINDLY agree with another black person who is so disturbed and disturbing in his beliefs and rants and that permeates in almost everything he types everywhere. I must be racist because I don't want young black people infected by DD and his TYPE of hate and BS.

This is just a quick video of some of the types that DD echos. You all can follow blindly and prop DD up if you want to. I will never have a part in that EVER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7ORfego3U&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1
 
[quote name='GBAstar']I'm not pliskin; I'm not trying to bait you.

I'm trying to understand your logic.

To me how you define racism is similar to how the conservative christians define marriage. They say marriage can't exist between anything other then a man and a woman because that is how the bible defines it [marriage]. They supposedly aren't against two men or woman being together but they are against them being married because that would go against what the word "marriage" means [to them].[/QUOTE]
Not quite and it's more complicated than that. The conservative argument is that marriage is immutable and has always been between one man and one woman, whereas I'm saying that how we define or even what we call racism changes depending on the time and place.

All marriages are civil unions, but not all civil unions are marriages. The distinction requires an exercise of power which grants one categorization more benefits over the other.

You're saying black people can't be racist because they lack the institutional power to be so. That is what racism means to you; and it could very well be what racism means; it just is not my understand of the word. Right or wrong.

But... Fine. I won't even disagree with that. But that doesn't mean that black people or people of any color don't hate on white people based on ignorant assumptions.
They're simply not equal, whether it's in intensity or proportion or numbers or even reasons. Again, you can't ignore history.

If we can't agree on definitions or a common vocabulary, then it will be impossible to explain the nuances. I'm no biologist, so I can't use biology terms that'll help you understand and you're no sociologist or historian.

The best analogy I can think of is that you're talking about phenotypes and I'm talking about speciation. Not all observable genetic variations lead to speciation.

Am I bad because I may have had a family member hundreds of years ago that had slaves? Because I may have had a relative during the civil rights movement that used the word ni****?

How does that have anything to do with me? How does that have anything to do with them?

Should I hate the English for what occurred 300+ years ago?
No one is saying that you're a Bad Person because of what some of your ancestors did, but that you still benefit from the system that allowed them to do what they did and that the system still oppresses those that were oppressed back then.


I'm not calling you an idiot or your thought process idiotic but I genuinely do not understand the level to which you are taking these issues.

Edit: I understand your reference to the germ theory and point taken; all I'm trying to say is that depending on how you broad you look at things you can't tell me that there aren't certain aspects of life where blacks, spanish, etc do have the institutional power to be racist---regardless if it is within a neighborhood block, an institution, a league or another country.
The thing is that you're trying to apply the term to places where what you're describing is defined differently. Race, as a social construct, means different things in different places. The US conceptions and categorizations of race simply does not exist in the same way around the world despite having similar manifestations of oppression.

Even if you bring it down to the level of a city block, that block still exists within a larger system and subject to the rules of that system. Scale is important. You can't just look at it in terms in who it harms, but also who it benefits. Racism is a very complicated phenomenon and to boil it down to simply hating someone because of their race and while thinking one's own race as superior is inaccurate and simply dumb.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']......and people wonder why I do not like or agree and refuse to promote ANYTHING DD posts? Just look at his rants over this thread.. other threads this forum and other forums or just look at his last couple pages alone. Some serious serious racism and sickness going on in that brain of his. He reminds me of.. actually he echos a lot of cult types... black supremacist types etc that are just so lost and so disturbed it is hard for me to describe as it makes me literally ill.

But wait I must be racist because I don't BLINDLY agree with another black person who is so disturbed and disturbing in his beliefs and rants and that permeates in almost everything he types everywhere. I must be racist because I don't want young black people infected by DD and his TYPE of hate and BS.

This is just a quick video of some of the types that DD echos. You all can follow blindly and prop DD up if you want to. I will never have a part in that EVER. [/QUOTE]
Since you enjoy searching through people's posts, how about you find my a post where I claim that black people are inherently superior to all other races and/or where I promote black supremacy. Compare and contrast how what I say is black supremacist in nature. Be as detailed as you can.

Please also provide your evidence for me being black or pretending to be black.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']......and people wonder why I do not like or agree and refuse to promote ANYTHING DD posts? Just look at his rants over this thread.. other threads this forum and other forums or just look at his last couple pages alone. Some serious serious racism and sickness going on in that brain of his. He reminds me of.. actually he echos a lot of cult types... black supremacist types etc that are just so lost and so disturbed it is hard for me to describe as it makes me literally ill.

But wait I must be racist because I don't BLINDLY agree with another black person who is so disturbed and disturbing in his beliefs and rants and that permeates in almost everything he types everywhere. I must be racist because I don't want young black people infected by DD and his TYPE of hate and BS.

This is just a quick video of some of the types that DD echos. You all can follow blindly and prop DD up if you want to. I will never have a part in that EVER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7ORfego3U&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1[/QUOTE]

I am enjoying my sunday but maybe when I get some time this week I will actually go through and quote and post all of DD's cult like black supremacist racist BS as requested by him. As I mentioned in my above post just on the last two pages I pulled these gems from his long and drawn out ramblings... anyone who has read even half of what DD has posted here and elsewhere can easily see the resemblance to what I said and that video.

[quote name='dohdough']
People of color cannot be racist because they do not have the institutional power to discriminate or oppress whites. This is on top of the fact that your stupid example actually describes prejudice, not discrimination. Racism implies and requires power.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='dohdough'] Scale is important. You can't just look at it in terms in who it harms, but also who it benefits. Racism is a very complicated phenomenon and to boil it down to simply hating someone because of their race and while thinking one's own race as superior is inaccurate and simply dumb.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rx7aTozQBo
 
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[quote name='dohdough']
Please also provide your evidence for me being black or pretending to be black.[/QUOTE]

So you are NOT black? Clear it up then...



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He hates these cans. Stay away from the cans.

It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Since you enjoy searching through people's posts, how about you find my a post where I claim that black people are inherently superior to all other races and/or where I promote black supremacy. Compare and contrast how what I say is black supremacist in nature. Be as detailed as you can.

Please also provide your evidence for me being black or pretending to be black.[/QUOTE]

You continously describe white people as racist because of their skin color.

What do you call someone who says all black people are ghetto because of their skin color?

Call it what you will, but I would use racism in conjuction with prejudice and bigotry to describe your feelings towards white people. And no I don't know or care what race you are, it still applies.
 
[quote name='Knoell']You continously describe white people as racist because of their skin color.

What do you call someone who says all black people are ghetto because of their skin color?[/QUOTE]
Calling someone racist is not the same as calling someone a n****r.

When you say racist, you mean someone that just hates because of race. When I say racist, I mean supportive of a power structure that is oppressive based on race either through action or inaction because even inaction supports the current levels of oppression.

Call it what you will, but I would use racism in conjuction with prejudice and bigotry to describe your feelings towards white people. And no I don't know or care what race you are, it still applies.
You can use them, but that doesn't change the fact that you're just jumbling a bunch of words together without understanding their relationship to one another or the sociological and historical basis for their depth of meaning. Also, intolerance of intolerance isn't bigotry or prejudice anymore than being anti-war makes you a war-monger. You being intolerant of my intolerance to intolerance doesn't give you the moral higher ground and actually makes you supportive of the root intolerance, which in turn, makes you the bigot and intolerant.

Again, racism is a form of oppression, which is an action. Simply taking advantage of systemic racial privilege while not wearing a hood and burning crosses doesn't eliminate racism as it is at the same level of ignoring the reality of racism and how pervasive it is. If I am white, then I couldn't be racist against myself. It doesn't work that way.

According to your logic, you'd call a woman a sexist for hating men after she was raped as if it's the same thing as a man being sexist. Reality simply doesn't work that way because you're not comparing equal subjects.
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101']So you are NOT black? Clear it up then...[/QUOTE]
You're the one that made the assertion that I either am or pretending to be. Now back it up.

Saying that I'm racist and a black supremacist doesn't make it so just because you post some youtube videos and quote a couple of my posts. If you're unable to explain in your own words, then maybe you don't know as much as you think you do and maybe you should reexamine your stances instead of relying on others to argue for you. It's really quite pathetic.
 
[quote name='dohdough']

When you say racist, you mean someone that just hates because of race. When I say racist, I mean supportive of a power structure that is oppressive based on race either through action or inaction because even inaction supports the current levels of oppression.
[/QUOTE]

What specific actions are necessary to prove that one isn't supportive of a power structure that is oppressive?
 
I posted The JERK pic because I already saw where you claimed to be black and have anyway always acted like a black supremacist all over these forums. The proof is looking at all of your posts. There is no doubt in my mind you have the mentality of a black supremacist and are racist as hell. I don't care if you want to pretend otherwise and want to pretend that you have not put yourself forward as black and a representative of black people. You are disgusting and speak for nobody but your self and your sick views of race and racism. As I said just reading your posts makes me literally ill that is why I ignore half of them but will at times address some because I don't want people to fall for your cult like BS and sickness. Anyone that does is weak minded that is the way it works. You see I do not want people to some how think you represent anyone especially black people as your views are disgusting and self serving.
 
[quote name='chiwii']What specific actions are necessary to prove that one isn't supportive of a power structure that is oppressive?[/QUOTE]
Now this here is an interesting question. Unfortunately, the only answer to that is: who are you trying to prove it to?

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but in case you are, the only thing I can tell you is that it starts by simply learning about -isms and going from there. If you don't have any knowledge or understanding, you're not going to be able to help anyone or with anything.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']I posted The JERK pic because I already saw where you claimed to be black and have anyway always acted like a black supremacist all over these forums.[/quote]
If you saw it, then you should be able to prove it. I don't edit anything out of my posts or delete them.

The proof is looking at all of your posts. There is no doubt in my mind you have the mentality of a black supremacist and are racist as hell.
Not very descriptive here and if you think what I say is evidence of black supremacist and racist, maybe you should familiarize yourself with one of your so-called great men, Martin Luther King Jr. He makes Wayne Brady look like Malcolm X. Not the real Malcolm X of course, but the one that white people made up and tend to freak out about.

I don't care if you want to pretend otherwise and want to pretend that you have not put yourself forward as black and a representative of black people.
You obviously do care considering you've pointed it out in this very post! And you want to say I have ADD?

You are disgusting and speak for nobody but your self and your sick views of race and racism. As I said just reading your posts makes me literally ill that is why I ignore half of them but will at times address some because I don't want people to fall for your cult like BS and sickness. Anyone that does is weak minded that is the way it works. You see I do not want people to some how think you represent anyone especially black people as your views are disgusting and self serving.
HOW ARE MY OF VIEWS OF RACE AND RACISM SICK? You constantly talk about it, but don't come close to explaining WHY. You spend an inordinate amount of posts saying that they're sick and have been doing it for months, yet you don't provide any perspectives of race and racism of your own to counter mine. And If you didn't read my posts, then why the hell are you making vapid comments about what I say as a response to all of my posts?
 
[quote name='dohdough']
When you say racist, you mean someone that just hates because of race. When I say racist, I mean supportive of a power structure that is oppressive based on race either through action or inaction because even inaction supports the current levels of oppression.

You being intolerant of my intolerance to intolerance doesn't give you the moral higher ground and actually makes you supportive of the root intolerance, which in turn, makes you the bigot and intolerant.
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Holy shit you just keep proving it over and over and over again.

I love the first part that alone screams PROOF of what I said.

I have never never really been part of a forum with or around someone as sick as you. It is truly disturbing. I have had glimpses like that video I posted but never really had the unfortunate run in as I have now with you on this forum. To see and hear and talk to IT first hand is as I said really sickening literally.

The second part is well even more proof of your disturbing brain and how it works. I could post pages upon pages of your disturbing circle jerk black supremacist racist mumbo jombo but WHY would I want to repeat it. There is no doubt that you are EXACTLY what I said and think.

Just the last two pages of your BS is disgusting by itself and you just keep the hits coming.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Holy shit you just keep proving it over and over and over again.

I love the first part that alone screams PROOF of what I said.

I have never never really been part of a forum with or around someone as sick as you. It is truly disturbing. I have had glimpses like that video I posted but never really had the unfortunate run in as I have now with you on this forum. To see and hear and talk to IT first hand is as I said really sickening literally.

The second part is well even more proof of your disturbing brain and how it works. I could post pages upon pages of your disturbing circle jerk black supremacist racist mumbo jombo but WHY would I want to repeat it. There is no doubt that you are EXACTLY what I said and think.

Just the last two pages of your BS is disgusting by itself and you just keep the hits coming.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that despite your accusations, you're not refuting anything here, right?

For someone that allegedly ignores half of what I post, you sure do have a lot of nothing to say about it.

Btw, I thought you said you were done here like 2 days ago.
 
[quote name='dohdough']You do realize that despite your accusations, you're not refuting anything here, right?
[/QUOTE]

You do realize that despite your accusations, you're not refuting anything here, right?
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']You do realize that despite your accusations, you're not refuting anything here, right?[/QUOTE]
No, what's really funny is that you have so little to back up your ridiculous claims, which you continually assert without any explanation, that you've resorted to the debate tactic of little children: the mimicry game.
 
[quote name='dohdough']You do realize that despite your accusations, you're not refuting anything here, right?

[/QUOTE]

You do realize that you are in a very small (for obvious reason) SELECT (lol not really) rare (for a reason) group that has your defintions, beliefs and views right?

The only thing you have proven is that according to your views and your distortions and BS is that you BELIEVE what you say to be REAL and fact since it is in YOUR brain so it must be and therefore EVERYONE else is wrong and only you and that "very small select group" that share your twisted views are right, knowing, and intelligent on such things. It's not like it is a rare and small sick mindset or anything. It is THE TRUTH and THE ABSOLUTE according to you and those other rare few. Everyone else is not worthy.

[quote name='Pliskin101']......and people wonder why I do not like or agree and refuse to promote ANYTHING DD posts? Just look at his rants over this thread.. other threads this forum and other forums or just look at his last couple pages alone. Some serious serious racism and sickness going on in that brain of his. He reminds me of.. actually he echos a lot of cult types... black supremacist types etc that are just so lost and so disturbed it is hard for me to describe as it makes me literally ill.

But wait I must be racist because I don't BLINDLY agree with another black person who is so disturbed and disturbing in his beliefs and rants and that permeates in almost everything he types everywhere. I must be racist because I don't want young black people infected by DD and his TYPE of hate and BS.

This is just a quick video of some of the types that DD echos. You all can follow blindly and prop DD up if you want to. I will never have a part in that EVER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK7ORfego3U&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1[/QUOTE]

I am enjoying my sunday but maybe when I get some time this week I will actually go through and quote and post all of DD's cult like black supremacist racist BS as requested by him. As I mentioned in my above post just on the last two pages I pulled these gems from his long and drawn out ramblings... anyone who has read even half of what DD has posted here and elsewhere can easily see the resemblance to what I said and that video.

[quote name='dohdough']
People of color cannot be racist because they do not have the institutional power to discriminate or oppress whites. This is on top of the fact that your stupid example actually describes prejudice, not discrimination. Racism implies and requires power.[/QUOTE]


[quote name='dohdough'] Scale is important. You can't just look at it in terms in who it harms, but also who it benefits. Racism is a very complicated phenomenon and to boil it down to simply hating someone because of their race and while thinking one's own race as superior is inaccurate and simply dumb.[/QUOTE]
 
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[quote name='chiwii']What specific actions are necessary to prove that one isn't supportive of a power structure that is oppressive?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. He has no idea. Funny how innocent people have to prove they aren't doing something wrong before dohdough let's them off the hook. (which is impossible if you read his other posts).

According to him Billy Bob who works at the gas station down the street for 7 bucks an hour is racist because he is working and since black people are rejected from employment more often than whites, Billy Bob is taking advantage and benefitting from a system that prefers white people to black people. That racist Billy Bob!
 
Nah Billy Bob even if he was homeless he would still be a RACIST and a benefactor of RACISM by DD's definition. The only way Billy Bob could ever escape that label is be being dead (which even in death would still be racist probably because of his death burial choice and belief). If Billy Bob gave up all possessions personal individual will and identity and wants etc and became solely a tool or servant to a black person or black group or black neighborhood or black people as a whole and worked only for their economic status and power might he escape being a racist...he must only work to serve black people's economic wants aspirations and needs and power and only for that group (there is no individuality in DD's definition, not that that alone isn't racist) then might he be considered NOT RACIST. Actually no not even then would he escape that white only label.
 
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[quote name='Knoell']Exactly. He has no idea. Funny how innocent people have to prove they aren't doing something wrong before dohdough let's them off the hook. (which is impossible if you read his other posts).

According to him Billy Bob who works at the gas station down the street for 7 bucks an hour is racist because he is working and since black people are rejected from employment more often than whites, Billy Bob is taking advantage and benefitting from a system that prefers white people to black people. That racist Billy Bob![/QUOTE]
Don't confuse me for yourself. If all it takes to prove to you that someone isn't racist is that they don't hate people based on race, then even David Duke isn't racist.

Nice strawman though!
 
Here is a nice and warm story.

A hardcore racist KKK member moved from the united states with a few klan mates into deep china where they magically stopped being racist.

Edit: no matter what their beliefs, ideologies, actions ...any actions and even if they had money they still became and are now magically not racist. heart warming.
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101']Nah Billy Bob even if he was homeless he would still be a RACIST and a benefactor of RACISM by DD's definition. The only way Billy Bob could ever escape that label is be being dead (which even in death would still be racist probably because of his death burial choice and belief). If Billy Bob gave up all possessions personal individual will and identity and wants etc and became solely a tool or servant to a black person or black group or black neighborhood or black people as a whole and worked only for their economic status and power might he escape being a racist...he must only work to serve black people's economic wants aspirations and needs and power and only for that group (there is no individuality in DD's definition, not that that alone isn't racist) then might he be considered NOT RACIST.[/QUOTE]
Racism is bigger than just one person. We can talk about one person doing this and one person doing that until the end up the universe, but it's all meaningless if a bunch of people don't do it together. Racism is a systemic problem, not just an individual one.

Edit: But actually Billy Bob would still be racist only until black people have the money and power and the majority would billy bob escape that label that white only label then and only then can billy bob and white people not be racist not even the individual white person (billy). Then by dd's def. white people COULD NOT or could never be RACIST no matter what they do individually, believe, their ideology what they do to or towards others could never be considered racist.
Close, but no cigar. Global and cultural hegemony would also need to be included in there as well. You would also need to add generational systemic oppression and disenfranchisement.

You're mixing up supremacist attitudes and racism. They're similar, but not the same thing.

For someone that demanded nuance for weeks, you sure don't like to use any.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Here is a nice and warm story.

A hardcore racist KKK member moved from the united states with a few klan mates into deep china where they magically stopped being racist.

Edit: no matter what their beliefs, ideologies, actions ...any actions and even if they had money they still became and are now magically not racist. heart warming.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work that way. You're assuming that racism and white supremacy doesn't travel outside the US in the form of economic power and cultural influence.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']Here is a nice and warm story.

A hardcore racist KKK member moved from the united states with a few klan mates into deep china where they magically stopped being racist.

Edit: no matter what their beliefs, ideologies, actions ...any actions and even if they had money they still became and are now magically not racist. heart warming.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Pliskin101']Nah Billy Bob even if he was homeless he would still be a RACIST and a benefactor of RACISM by DD's definition. The only way Billy Bob could ever escape that label is be being dead (which even in death would still be racist probably because of his death burial choice and belief). If Billy Bob gave up all possessions personal individual will and identity and wants etc and became solely a tool or servant to a black person or black group or black neighborhood or black people as a whole and worked only for their economic status and power might he escape being a racist...he must only work to serve black people's economic wants aspirations and needs and power and only for that group (there is no individuality in DD's definition, not that that alone isn't racist) then might he be considered NOT RACIST. Actually no not even then would he escape that white only label.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I edited my post as the original added edit was not totally correct it wasn't wrong as a way for a white individual to be considered not racist though....but another way any individual white person can escape being a racist (and only white people and individual white people can be racist according to DD) is when EVERY person is exactly equal in power, money education any status etc etc. Only then and even if they still believe and have ideologies and their actions represent race and superiority and if they have hate based on race.. a radical belief based on race... hate and crime towards others based on race it will matter not they will no longer be racist and of course no one else can be racist then either especially since they never could be or never were.

There is no individual there is no individual white person and no white person can be considered not racist. Only white folks can be racist it is each individual white persons label assigned to them and defined for them by...well in honestly a few loons and morons.

But as I said even hardcore racist KKK members and white supremacists can have another escape (beside the one I said above and the edit dd quoted) and that is that nice warm story of moving to china where their supremacy and race beliefs...hate crimes and actions and ideologies no longer can or will be considered racist in no way could they be considered racist according to DD. Lovely isn't it?
 
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[quote name='dohdough']It doesn't work that way. You're assuming that racism and white supremacy doesn't travel outside the US in the form of economic power and cultural influence.[/QUOTE]

What can I say escept holy shit that is sick and twisted for you to now say dude. Talk in circles much? You are disgusting!!
 
[quote name='dohdough']
You're mixing up supremacist attitudes and racism. They're similar, but not the same thing.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=&quot]Racism[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]hatred or intolerance of another race or other races[/FONT]


No I am not mixing up anything.

SEE my post above #1044..YOUR definition is different and quite frankly WRONG...it is your belief and your views and your definition held by YOU and a very rare sick few!!

edit: [quote name='dohdough']
You being intolerant of my intolerance to intolerance doesn't give you the moral higher ground and actually makes you supportive of the root intolerance, which in turn, makes you the bigot and intolerant.
[/QUOTE]

right back at you LOL.... I am intolerant of racism as defined and intolerant of it by ANYONE, any individual, group, or government etc and don't fall for the BS that only white people can be and are racist and each individual white person is racist. So you are the bigot and intolerant according to your own words and views. In fact it does make you racist (see number 3) and guilty of sharing some of the radical views held by those I mentioned. Nice!
 
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[quote name='Pliskin101'][FONT=&quot]Racism[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]hatred or intolerance of another race or other races[/FONT]


No I am not mixing up anything.[/QUOTE]
A dictionary definition only scrapes the surface of defining and explaining a concept such as racism and not a treatise on the subject. Your application of superficial understanding of the terms and concepts doesn't make a nuanced argument. If all we needed to understand something were dictionaries, we wouldn't need encyclopedias or any kind of research at all.

SEE my post above #1044..it is your beleif and views and your defintion held by YOU and a very rare sick few!!
Uhhh...you mean post 1042? You couldn't have just said that instead? Not to mention that you just copy and pasted my post?

Or do you mean post 1043, where I said that since you can't defend your stances, you've devolved into using mimicry.

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right back at you LOL
That doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101'][FONT=&quot]Racism[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]hatred or intolerance of another race or other races[/FONT]


No I am not mixing up anything.

SEE my post above #1044..YOUR definition is different and quite frankly WRONG...it is your belief and your views and your definition held by YOU and a very rare sick few!!

edit:

right back at you LOL.... I am intolerant of racism as defined and intolerant of it by ANYONE, any individual, group, or government etc and don't fall for the BS that only white people can be and are racist and each individual white person is racist. So you are the bigot and intolerant according to your own words and views. In fact it does make you racist (see number 3) and guilty of sharing some of the radical views held by those I mentioned. Nice![/QUOTE]

How does it feel to know that the bulk of people in the world see you as racist DD?

You can throw in your twisted views and philosphy and spin and ideals all you want. You are wrong and you are racist!!

Twist and spin away DD. You are still rare and sick that is the only comfort I can take away from this. You are among only a FEW sick people.

and yes i said post #1044
 
[quote name='dohdough']Don't confuse me for yourself. If all it takes to prove to you that someone isn't racist is that they don't hate people based on race, then even David Duke isn't racist.

Nice strawman though![/QUOTE]

Strawman? If I really wanted to, I could find the post where you pretty much stated that exact scenario.

If all it takes to be racist is partaking in a system that may or may not do EVERYONE justice, then you have a very deluded weak sense of the word racism, and you probably use it knowing that people will take it to the opposite extreme.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']How does it feel to know that the bulk of people in the world see you as racist DD?

You can throw in your twisted views and philosphy and spin and ideals all you want. You are wrong and you are racist!!

Twist and spin away DD. You are still rare and sick that is the only comfort I can take away from this. You are among only a FEW sick people.[/QUOTE]
This is all well and good, but you still haven't ever provided counter examples and explanations to support your version of what a healthy perspective on racism is.

and yes i said post #1044
Actually, you said "my post above #1044." That's different from "my post above, #1044." It's a small, but important difference.

There are things called commas. You should use them. Or you could've included that quote in your post since you seem to love quoting yourself.

edit: It's hilarious that you've quoted yourself 3 our of 7 posts on this page alone.

[quote name='Knoell']Strawman? If I really wanted to, I could find the post where you pretty much stated that exact scenario.[/QUOTE]
Actually, your argument was that a homeless white man doesn't benefit from white privilege because he was homeless, transitioned that into him still being powerless and unable to oppress black people while screaming racial epithets, and finally adding another black homeless man that stabbed him while screaming "kill whitey." You ignored my arguments of the trend of greater access to social services for whites, the probability that those two individuals are severely mentally ill, and that the racial experience between whites and black people in the US are radically difference while being undeniably linked.

Maybe you should just put it back in your sig. Then you and Pliskin can be sig-brothers.

If all it takes to be racist is partaking in a system that may or may not do EVERYONE justice, then you have a very deluded weak sense of the word racism, and you probably use it knowing that people will take it to the opposite extreme.
You're absolutely right. My sense of the word is so weak that I can't describe the various ways it manifests itself or how it works and I have never done so. :roll:
 
[quote name='dohdough']

You're absolutely right. My sense of the word is so weak that I can't describe the various ways it manifests itself or how it works and I have never done so. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Now you are getting it! The various ways in which it manifests itself.....think about that for a second.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Now you are getting it! The various ways in which it manifests itself.....think about that for a second.[/QUOTE]
So you admit that I'm right then. Great!:roll:
 
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