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I think I can safely make a judgement call on the journalistic integrity of a guy who has a banner on his page sanctifying Andrew Breitbart.
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[quote name='Spokker']High on what?
It hasn't been reported by any mainstream source so I've hesitated to bring it up, but conservative bloggers feel Martin may have been under the long-term effects of Lean (a.k.a. Purple Drank) abuse. They use the drug's supposed long-term effects and the state of Martin's liver, among other things, to argue that he was an abuser of Purple Drank and that it clouded his judgement that night. At least I think that's what they are saying. I didn't study it like the Torah or anything.
I don't know what to think about it yet, mostly because I know nothing about the latest drug trends (Lean? Purple Drank? Sounds retarded.) but here's the argument if you want to see for yourself.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/[/QUOTE]
This is how you know both sides are getting classless(er?) and desperate...
It hasn't been reported by any mainstream source so I've hesitated to bring it up, but conservative bloggers feel Martin may have been under the long-term effects of Lean (a.k.a. Purple Drank) abuse. They use the drug's supposed long-term effects and the state of Martin's liver, among other things, to argue that he was an abuser of Purple Drank and that it clouded his judgement that night. At least I think that's what they are saying. I didn't study it like the Torah or anything.
I don't know what to think about it yet, mostly because I know nothing about the latest drug trends (Lean? Purple Drank? Sounds retarded.) but here's the argument if you want to see for yourself.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/[/QUOTE]
This is how you know both sides are getting classless(er?) and desperate...
The substance has gotten popular among black youth (a prominent DJ has even died due to overdosing on the stuff), and Martin probably did use it in my view. I just don't know if it was a factor that night. It's not like a bunch of scientists are out there studying the long-term effects of Purple Drank.
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Anyone read Part 1 of that? It's pretty funny...
[quote name='Spokker']High on what?
It hasn't been reported by any mainstream source so I've hesitated to bring it up, but conservative bloggers feel Martin may have been under the long-term effects of Lean (a.k.a. Purple Drank) abuse. They use the drug's supposed long-term effects and the state of Martin's liver, among other things, to argue that he was an abuser of Purple Drank and that it clouded his judgement that night. At least I think that's what they are saying. I didn't study it like the Torah or anything.
I don't know what to think about it yet, mostly because I know nothing about the latest drug trends (Lean? Purple Drank? Sounds retarded.) but here's the argument if you want to see for yourself.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Spokker']The substance has gotten popular among black youth (a prominent DJ has even died due to overdosing on the stuff), and Martin probably did use it in my view. I just don't know if it was a factor that night. It's not like a bunch of scientists are out there studying the long-term effects of Purple Drank.[/QUOTE]
You've gotta be
ing kidding me...
So everything Zimmerman did upto sending a bullet into Martin was legal and Zimmerman's drug use is irrelevant, yet we should give greater scrutiny to Martin's one facebook conversation about getting high on cough syrup? Even when it didn't pop up on the urinalysis or blood test?
Btw, we know exactly what long term effects of Purple Drank are. Wanna know how? Because the effects of the active ingredient in those drugs were tested by the FDA.
It hasn't been reported by any mainstream source so I've hesitated to bring it up, but conservative bloggers feel Martin may have been under the long-term effects of Lean (a.k.a. Purple Drank) abuse. They use the drug's supposed long-term effects and the state of Martin's liver, among other things, to argue that he was an abuser of Purple Drank and that it clouded his judgement that night. At least I think that's what they are saying. I didn't study it like the Torah or anything.
I don't know what to think about it yet, mostly because I know nothing about the latest drug trends (Lean? Purple Drank? Sounds retarded.) but here's the argument if you want to see for yourself.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com...-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Spokker']The substance has gotten popular among black youth (a prominent DJ has even died due to overdosing on the stuff), and Martin probably did use it in my view. I just don't know if it was a factor that night. It's not like a bunch of scientists are out there studying the long-term effects of Purple Drank.[/QUOTE]
You've gotta be
ing kidding me...So everything Zimmerman did upto sending a bullet into Martin was legal and Zimmerman's drug use is irrelevant, yet we should give greater scrutiny to Martin's one facebook conversation about getting high on cough syrup? Even when it didn't pop up on the urinalysis or blood test?
Btw, we know exactly what long term effects of Purple Drank are. Wanna know how? Because the effects of the active ingredient in those drugs were tested by the FDA.
Just some highlights from that...
Unfortunately, teenage boys, especially those from within Trayvon’s cultural demographic, are not known for their temperance, much less “keep[ing] a wide safety margin.“
Wow, I wonder where the racial aspects come in
Article suggests Trayvon's DMX use could have "... microscopic holes in the brain called “Olney’s Lesions.”
From the coroner's report linked up a few paragraphs up.... "There are no space occupying legions present."
Purple Lean, or Lean, is an intoxicating beverage also known by the nameslean, sizzurp, and liquid codeine. It is commonly abused by southern rappers and wannabe suburban teenagers. It is a mixture of Promethazine/Codeine cough syrup and sprite, or other beverage [such as Arizona Watermelon] with a few jolly ranchers and/or skittles thrown in.
..... DUN DUN DUN :lol:
Unfortunately, teenage boys, especially those from within Trayvon’s cultural demographic, are not known for their temperance, much less “keep[ing] a wide safety margin.“
Wow, I wonder where the racial aspects come in
Article suggests Trayvon's DMX use could have "... microscopic holes in the brain called “Olney’s Lesions.”
From the coroner's report linked up a few paragraphs up.... "There are no space occupying legions present."
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This got posted ages ago in the thread, but I'm pretty sure it got lost in the shuffle. It's an interview with the woman who owns the property that Martin was shot on. I'm still listening to this, but the first part of the story makes my stomach turn:
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/
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[quote name='renique46']You can't be this stupid.[/QUOTE]
Do you not understand rhetoric? Becuase it has been said many times that had Zimmerman not left his car then Martin would not have been shot and killed. If you have no problems making that assumption wouldn't it also be correct to assume that if Martin had be not been suspended from school then he wouldn't have been staying in that neighborhood i.e. he never would have crossed paths with zimmerman?
You can't call me stupid for assuming one thing but think you are correct by assuming the other. In fact zimmerman did nothing illegal and broke no laws by leaving his car. Martin must of done something to get suspended from school. It might even be correct to make the assumption that the actions of getting suspended from school are worse then the actions of leaving an automobile. You tell me.
Do you not understand rhetoric? Becuase it has been said many times that had Zimmerman not left his car then Martin would not have been shot and killed. If you have no problems making that assumption wouldn't it also be correct to assume that if Martin had be not been suspended from school then he wouldn't have been staying in that neighborhood i.e. he never would have crossed paths with zimmerman?
You can't call me stupid for assuming one thing but think you are correct by assuming the other. In fact zimmerman did nothing illegal and broke no laws by leaving his car. Martin must of done something to get suspended from school. It might even be correct to make the assumption that the actions of getting suspended from school are worse then the actions of leaving an automobile. You tell me.
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I agree with GBAstar. In the alternate timeline where Martin didn't get suspended from school, he wouldn't have run into this Zimmerman problem to begin with. You must concede that before saying nothing would have have happened if Zimmeran hadn't left his vehicle. Not to mention, being suspended from school for doing something illegal is far more significant than a man stepping out of a car.
I step out of my car almost every day!
Wut.
I step out of my car almost every day!
Wut.
[quote name='GBAstar']Do you not understand rhetoric? Becuase it has been said many times that had Zimmerman not left his car then Martin would not have been shot and killed. If you have no problems making that assumption wouldn't it also be correct to assume that if Martin had be not been suspended from school then he wouldn't have been staying in that neighborhood i.e. he never would have crossed paths with zimmerman?
You can't call me stupid for assuming one thing but think you are correct by assuming the other. In fact zimmerman did nothing illegal and broke no laws by leaving his car. Martin must of done something to get suspended from school. It might even be correct to make the assumption that the actions of getting suspended from school are worse then the actions of leaving an automobile. You tell me.[/QUOTE]
Since you want to double down...
Martin didn't get suspended from school to get STALKED(I know you love this word) by Zimmerman to be eventually shot and killed. Zimmerman, on the other hand, got out of his car after following him to proceed on a foot chase with the intention of a confrontation. You are being stupid here because you can't seem to make the connection between action and intent.
For someone that argued that the entire incident could've been avoided if Zimmerman wasn't allowed to carry, you're not being very consistent here by arguing the technical legality of things.
And to address your arguments in the original post:
- I said absolutely nothing about the suggestion by 911 being a lawful command in that post or argued that it was a lawful command in any post in this entire thread.
- If you don't like the word "stalk," is hunted better? Or maybe you should pick a better term that's more accurate. "Trolling for a confrontation that could instigate and escalate a situation" works too.
- Finally, the only real difference in the definition is frequency and considering what happened, Martin was well within his rights under SYG.
You can't call me stupid for assuming one thing but think you are correct by assuming the other. In fact zimmerman did nothing illegal and broke no laws by leaving his car. Martin must of done something to get suspended from school. It might even be correct to make the assumption that the actions of getting suspended from school are worse then the actions of leaving an automobile. You tell me.[/QUOTE]
Since you want to double down...
Martin didn't get suspended from school to get STALKED(I know you love this word) by Zimmerman to be eventually shot and killed. Zimmerman, on the other hand, got out of his car after following him to proceed on a foot chase with the intention of a confrontation. You are being stupid here because you can't seem to make the connection between action and intent.
For someone that argued that the entire incident could've been avoided if Zimmerman wasn't allowed to carry, you're not being very consistent here by arguing the technical legality of things.
And to address your arguments in the original post:
- I said absolutely nothing about the suggestion by 911 being a lawful command in that post or argued that it was a lawful command in any post in this entire thread.
- If you don't like the word "stalk," is hunted better? Or maybe you should pick a better term that's more accurate. "Trolling for a confrontation that could instigate and escalate a situation" works too.
- Finally, the only real difference in the definition is frequency and considering what happened, Martin was well within his rights under SYG.
I would waste my time trying to reply to those horrible comparisons but the brain refuses to even acknowledge such stupidity specially after gems like this,
In fact in as little as 12 hours after use it can reach undectable levels (in your blood); the fact that it was found in Martin's blood is a good indicator he smoked that day (or evening). Let's not omit that okay?
Lets also not omit the various reports that said while he had it in his system, it was so low that it could have been smoked probably weeks ago and it in no way influenced anything that happened night whatsoever. But yea such a good indicator he smoked that day all right!
In fact in as little as 12 hours after use it can reach undectable levels (in your blood); the fact that it was found in Martin's blood is a good indicator he smoked that day (or evening). Let's not omit that okay?
Lets also not omit the various reports that said while he had it in his system, it was so low that it could have been smoked probably weeks ago and it in no way influenced anything that happened night whatsoever. But yea such a good indicator he smoked that day all right!
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THC makes people violent, these things are important to bring up.
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I stepped out of my car a number of times today. Amazingly enough, I was not arrested once...
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Last night I walked to the store and bought a bottle of soda. Amazingly, no one followed me home with a gun for being a black guy on a predominantly white street for reasons of suspicion.
See? I can do that too.
See? I can do that too.
[quote name='renique46']I would waste my time trying to reply to those horrible comparisons but the brain refuses to even acknowledge such stupidity specially after gems like this,
In fact in as little as 12 hours after use it can reach undectable levels (in your blood); the fact that it was found in Martin's blood is a good indicator he smoked that day (or evening). Let's not omit that okay?
Lets also not omit the various reports that said while he had it in his system, it was so low that it could have been smoked probably weeks ago and it in no way influenced anything that happened night whatsoever. But yea such a good indicator he smoked that day all right![/QUOTE]
Before you try and make yourself sound intelligent, which I can assure you you are not doing a good job with, I have a biomolecular science degree and I can also inform you that marijuana is a fat soluble drug. The autopsy that was in that report only tested his BLOOD levels for THC not his URINE sample. THC can go to undetectable levels in as little as 12 hours after being smoked in the blood. The levels listed were from a blood sample, and yes they were almost undetectable levels but the fact that they were detected means he smoked that day. I would be very interested to see a urinalysis and see what his THC levels were but as far as I know that hasn't been released.
ayuh ayuh ayuh.
But continue to speak on things you know nothing of and when you can't come up with anything just go back to deflecting with insults.
In fact in as little as 12 hours after use it can reach undectable levels (in your blood); the fact that it was found in Martin's blood is a good indicator he smoked that day (or evening). Let's not omit that okay?
Lets also not omit the various reports that said while he had it in his system, it was so low that it could have been smoked probably weeks ago and it in no way influenced anything that happened night whatsoever. But yea such a good indicator he smoked that day all right![/QUOTE]
Before you try and make yourself sound intelligent, which I can assure you you are not doing a good job with, I have a biomolecular science degree and I can also inform you that marijuana is a fat soluble drug. The autopsy that was in that report only tested his BLOOD levels for THC not his URINE sample. THC can go to undetectable levels in as little as 12 hours after being smoked in the blood. The levels listed were from a blood sample, and yes they were almost undetectable levels but the fact that they were detected means he smoked that day. I would be very interested to see a urinalysis and see what his THC levels were but as far as I know that hasn't been released.
ayuh ayuh ayuh.
But continue to speak on things you know nothing of and when you can't come up with anything just go back to deflecting with insults.
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panzerfaust
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The caffeine from his Arizona ice tea would make him more aggressive than any level of THC in his body. Why is this even a relevant topic of discussion?
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[quote name='panzerfaust']The caffeine from his Arizona ice tea would make him more aggressive than any level of THC in his body. Why is this even a relevant topic of discussion?[/QUOTE]
You are joking, right? Why is it relevant that he may have potentially been using drugs? Last time I checked, drugs and alcohol have a tendency to alter people's perception of reality...like making someone think it's a good idea to attack someone who is "stalking" them...
Just used my car again, by the way. Still not arrested for stepping out. Damn, I am getting away with crimes like a motherer...
You are joking, right? Why is it relevant that he may have potentially been using drugs? Last time I checked, drugs and alcohol have a tendency to alter people's perception of reality...like making someone think it's a good idea to attack someone who is "stalking" them...
Just used my car again, by the way. Still not arrested for stepping out. Damn, I am getting away with crimes like a mother
er...[quote name='panzerfaust']The caffeine from his Arizona ice tea would make him more aggressive than any level of THC in his body. Why is this even a relevant topic of discussion?[/QUOTE]
Because GBA said so! remember being suspended from school is somehow related to what happen that night according to his stupid ass logic.
Because GBA said so!
remember being suspended from school is somehow related to what happen that night according to his stupid ass logic.
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Stalking present participle of stalk (Verb)
Verb: Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird". Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".
I don't think Zimmerman was going after Martin because he wanted his autograph, so yes, based on the events that transpired that night, the bolded definition of stalking is rather appropriate for this case.
Verb: Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird". Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".
I don't think Zimmerman was going after Martin because he wanted his autograph, so yes, based on the events that transpired that night, the bolded definition of stalking is rather appropriate for this case.
In other news, Angela Corey is going ape shit over Dershowitz.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Zimmerman-Trayvon-Angela-Corey/2012/06/05/id/441305
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blo...n-littlepage-angela-coreys-hissy-fits-threats
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Zimmerman-Trayvon-Angela-Corey/2012/06/05/id/441305
This isn't the only time she's done this.
http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blo...n-littlepage-angela-coreys-hissy-fits-threats
It sounds like Corey needs a nap.
[quote name='renique46']Because GBA said so! remember being suspended from school is somehow related to what happen that night according to his stupid ass logic.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing English is your second language because you are having a hard time comprehending anything I've written.
I've never once said that THC makes you aggressive and I've said more then once that alcohol is much more dangerous.
All I did was put you in your place when you tried to make it sound like he smoked a long ass time ago because he THC levels were low.
I correctly pointed out that yes you were correct his THC levels were low but I also pointed out your a dumbass that knows nothing about THC levels, how marijuana is processed by the human body and that the sample taken during the autopsy was a blood sample and not a urine sample and while THC can be detected in the urine for weeks to months it falls to an undetected level in the blood in as little as 12 hours.
Now lets see... victim suspended from school and possibly using drugs. Maybe the victim wasn't the sweet 12 year old kid everyone wanted to believe he was.
remember being suspended from school is somehow related to what happen that night according to his stupid ass logic.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing English is your second language because you are having a hard time comprehending anything I've written.
I've never once said that THC makes you aggressive and I've said more then once that alcohol is much more dangerous.
All I did was put you in your place when you tried to make it sound like he smoked a long ass time ago because he THC levels were low.
I correctly pointed out that yes you were correct his THC levels were low but I also pointed out your a dumbass that knows nothing about THC levels, how marijuana is processed by the human body and that the sample taken during the autopsy was a blood sample and not a urine sample and while THC can be detected in the urine for weeks to months it falls to an undetected level in the blood in as little as 12 hours.
Now lets see... victim suspended from school and possibly using drugs. Maybe the victim wasn't the sweet 12 year old kid everyone wanted to believe he was.
[quote name='Purple Flames']Stalking present participle of stalk (Verb)
Verb: Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird". Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".
I don't think Zimmerman was going after Martin because he wanted his autograph, so yes, based on the events that transpired that night, the bolded definition of stalking is rather appropriate for this case.[/QUOTE]
It's cute that you used a kindergartner defintion for stalking while the actual legal definition is:
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
ayooooooooo
Verb: Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird". Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".
I don't think Zimmerman was going after Martin because he wanted his autograph, so yes, based on the events that transpired that night, the bolded definition of stalking is rather appropriate for this case.[/QUOTE]
It's cute that you used a kindergartner defintion for stalking while the actual legal definition is:
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
ayooooooooo
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[quote name='GBAstar']It's cute that you used a kindergartner defintion for stalking while the actual legal definition is:
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
ayooooooooo[/QUOTE]
The bolded parts of your statement more or less make my case, so thanks for that.
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
ayooooooooo[/QUOTE]
The bolded parts of your statement more or less make my case, so thanks for that.
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']You are joking, right? Why is it relevant that he may have potentially been using drugs? Last time I checked, drugs and alcohol have a tendency to alter people's perception of reality...like making someone think it's a good idea to attack someone who is "stalking" them...
Just used my car again, by the way. Still not arrested for stepping out. Damn, I am getting away with crimes like a motherer...[/QUOTE]
I was on the sarcastic team last page, but I'm not sure what your angle is here. Give me a wink or something. Or are we really talking about THC levels and violence?
Just used my car again, by the way. Still not arrested for stepping out. Damn, I am getting away with crimes like a mother
er...[/QUOTE]I was on the sarcastic team last page, but I'm not sure what your angle is here. Give me a wink or something. Or are we really talking about THC levels and violence?
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Now lets see... victim suspended from school and possibly using drugs. Maybe the victim wasn't the sweet 12 year old kid everyone wanted to believe he was.[/QUOTE]
And once again how many people have to ask you wtf does that even have to do with the night in question? good god stfu
Now lets see... victim suspended from school and possibly using drugs. Maybe the victim wasn't the sweet 12 year old kid everyone wanted to believe he was.[/QUOTE]
And once again how many people have to ask you wtf does that even have to do with the night in question? good god stfu
[quote name='Purple Flames']The bolded parts of your statement more or less make my case, so thanks for that.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='GBAstar']It's cute that you used a kindergartner defintion for stalking while the actual legal definition is:
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
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So Zimmerman had repeatedly followed Martin? So you know repeatedly means more then once. And you know he threatened Martin? And you know that Martin was fearing for his life?
[quote name='GBAstar']It's cute that you used a kindergartner defintion for stalking while the actual legal definition is:
A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
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So Zimmerman had repeatedly followed Martin? So you know repeatedly means more then once. And you know he threatened Martin? And you know that Martin was fearing for his life?
[quote name='renique46']And once again how many people have to ask you wtf does that even have to do with the night in question? good god stfu[/QUOTE]
Well the public was initially led to believe that Martin was a 17 year old kid(that looked like a 12 year old boy) that had never been in trouble and volunteered his time helping out at youth sports programs and assisting the elderly.
Of course we all know that isn't exactly the truth is it?
But if you can't understand how the victims character will play a big part in a trial like this... well then you truly are an idiot!
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See don't I just look soooooooooo smart like you because I ended my message in an insult???? YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH boy everyone thinks what I said is soooo cool and important because I called someone a name!
Well the public was initially led to believe that Martin was a 17 year old kid(that looked like a 12 year old boy) that had never been in trouble and volunteered his time helping out at youth sports programs and assisting the elderly.
Of course we all know that isn't exactly the truth is it?
But if you can't understand how the victims character will play a big part in a trial like this... well then you truly are an idiot!
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See don't I just look soooooooooo smart like you because I ended my message in an insult???? YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH boy everyone thinks what I said is soooo cool and important because I called someone a name!
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He intentionally followed Martin (got out of his car), and if we're to believe that he lost sight of him at some point, then yes he also repeatedly followed him in a short period of time. He went after him with a gun on his person (which he later used), so that sounds like pretty threatening behavior. Also, according to Martin's girlfriend's testimony (remember he was on the phone with her that night), yes he was afraid when he noticed he was being followed and kept trying to get away from Zimmerman.
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[quote name='renique46']And once again how many people have to ask you wtf does that even have to do with the night in question? good god stfu[/QUOTE]
http://youtu.be/WFY2kJ96jNY
http://youtu.be/WFY2kJ96jNY
[quote name='Purple Flames']He went after him with a gun on his person (which he later used), so that sounds like pretty threatening behavior.[/QUOTE]
The gun was concealed so Martin would have no knowledge of its existence and therefore it could not intimidate him. The gun was in play during the final altercation, an altercation whose initiator is unknown.
The gun was concealed so Martin would have no knowledge of its existence and therefore it could not intimidate him. The gun was in play during the final altercation, an altercation whose initiator is unknown.
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Just having that gun made Zimmerman a bigger threat than Martin ever was. And gun or no gun, as far as intimidating and threatening behavior goes, you don't think Martin was scared of a guy he doesn't know following him around? For all he knew Zimmerman could have been a rapist or mugger.
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[quote name='Spokker']The gun was concealed so Martin would have no knowledge of its existence and therefore it could not intimidate him.[/QUOTE]
Stop using a logic! A black person was shot! It was obviously a crime...just leave it be!
Stop using a logic! A black person was shot! It was obviously a crime...just leave it be!
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I can't believe you guys are trying to debate this... I don't care if Martin was smoking pot while soliciting a prostitute; Zimmerman initiated the conflict while armed and killed another person. I don't understand how we can claim rule of law in this country when this is being considered self defense.
[quote name='willardhaven']I can't believe you guys are trying to debate this... I don't care if Martin was smoking pot while soliciting a prostitute; Zimmerman initiated the conflict while armed and killed another person. I don't understand how we can claim rule of law in this country when this is being considered self defense.[/QUOTE]
A kindergarten teacher can explain this to their kids.
Did Martin put his hands on Zimmerman?
Are you allowed to put your hands on another person and cause them physical harm in this country?
Are Zimmerman's documented wounds a result of stigmata?
Unless it can be proven (doubtful) that Martin put his hands on Zimmerman only because he feared for his life then it will be very doubtful that it will be proved that Zimmerman fired for any reason other then self defense.
A kindergarten teacher can explain this to their kids.
Did Martin put his hands on Zimmerman?
Are you allowed to put your hands on another person and cause them physical harm in this country?
Are Zimmerman's documented wounds a result of stigmata?
Unless it can be proven (doubtful) that Martin put his hands on Zimmerman only because he feared for his life then it will be very doubtful that it will be proved that Zimmerman fired for any reason other then self defense.
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If I push you and you blow my head off with a handgun you are not defending yourself.
[quote name='willardhaven']If I push you and you blow my head off with a handgun you are not defending yourself.[/QUOTE]
So you are suggesting that Zimmerman only has wounds to his head because Martin merely pushed him?
And are you also suggesting that Zimmerman shot Martin in the head? Execution style?
Lol. If Zimmerman wanted to kill some black kids I think he could pick better shot placement then in the chest---not exactly known as the best spot for a clean kill.
Interesting.
I don't carry and I'm not a supporter of it but if someone was carrying and you ended up on top of them banging their head off the ground as Zimmerman is claiming that Martin did to him, then it is fair to say that you run the risk of getting shot.
So you are suggesting that Zimmerman only has wounds to his head because Martin merely pushed him?
And are you also suggesting that Zimmerman shot Martin in the head? Execution style?
Lol. If Zimmerman wanted to kill some black kids I think he could pick better shot placement then in the chest---not exactly known as the best spot for a clean kill.
Interesting.
I don't carry and I'm not a supporter of it but if someone was carrying and you ended up on top of them banging their head off the ground as Zimmerman is claiming that Martin did to him, then it is fair to say that you run the risk of getting shot.
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[quote name='GBAstar']A kindergarten teacher can explain this to their kids.
Did Martin put his hands on Zimmerman?
Are you allowed to put your hands on another person and cause them physical harm in this country?
Are Zimmerman's documented wounds a result of stigmata?
Unless it can be proven (doubtful) that Martin put his hands on Zimmerman only because he feared for his life then it will be very doubtful that it will be proved that Zimmerman fired for any reason other then self defense.[/QUOTE]
Like I've pointed repeatedly today, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend during the entire ordeal, and based on her testimony he was clearly afraid because of Zimmerman pursuing him, and based on the rules of Florida's Stand Your Ground laws, feeling you're in imminent danger is enough for you to defend yourself, and since Zimmerman was following him, he's the aggressor and not Martin.
Or you can cotinue to ignore that since it hurts your argument.
Did Martin put his hands on Zimmerman?
Are you allowed to put your hands on another person and cause them physical harm in this country?
Are Zimmerman's documented wounds a result of stigmata?
Unless it can be proven (doubtful) that Martin put his hands on Zimmerman only because he feared for his life then it will be very doubtful that it will be proved that Zimmerman fired for any reason other then self defense.[/QUOTE]
Like I've pointed repeatedly today, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend during the entire ordeal, and based on her testimony he was clearly afraid because of Zimmerman pursuing him, and based on the rules of Florida's Stand Your Ground laws, feeling you're in imminent danger is enough for you to defend yourself, and since Zimmerman was following him, he's the aggressor and not Martin.
Or you can cotinue to ignore that since it hurts your argument.
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[quote name='GBAstar']So you are suggesting that Zimmerman only has wounds to his head because Martin merely pushed him?
And are you also suggesting that Zimmerman shot Martin in the head? Execution style?
Lol. If Zimmerman wanted to kill some black kids I think he could pick better shot placement then in the chest---not exactly known as the best spot for a clean kill.
Interesting.
I don't carry and I'm not a supporter of it but if someone was carrying and you ended up on top of them banging their head off the ground as Zimmerman is claiming that Martin did to him, then it is fair to say that you run the risk of getting shot.[/QUOTE]
No I am illustrating that you are being ridiculous.
Zimmerman did not approach this kid for any other reason than to initiate conflict. I don't know anything else other than that one person initiated a fight (Zimmerman), one person was armed (Zimmerman) and one person was killed (Martin). This is not self defense. Not saying they have enough for a murder conviction, but they should be able to prove manslaughter.
And are you also suggesting that Zimmerman shot Martin in the head? Execution style?
Lol. If Zimmerman wanted to kill some black kids I think he could pick better shot placement then in the chest---not exactly known as the best spot for a clean kill.
Interesting.
I don't carry and I'm not a supporter of it but if someone was carrying and you ended up on top of them banging their head off the ground as Zimmerman is claiming that Martin did to him, then it is fair to say that you run the risk of getting shot.[/QUOTE]
No I am illustrating that you are being ridiculous.
Zimmerman did not approach this kid for any other reason than to initiate conflict. I don't know anything else other than that one person initiated a fight (Zimmerman), one person was armed (Zimmerman) and one person was killed (Martin). This is not self defense. Not saying they have enough for a murder conviction, but they should be able to prove manslaughter.
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Oh and here's the link to the story I mentioned about his girlfriend: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...death-recounts/story?id=15959017#.T9QYVLBYsui
[quote name='Purple Flames']Like I've pointed repeatedly today, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend during the entire ordeal, and based on her testimony he was clearly afraid because of Zimmerman pursuing him, and based on the rules of Florida's Stand Your Ground laws, feeling you're in imminent danger is enough for you to defend yourself, and since Zimmerman was following him, he's the aggressor and not Martin.
Or you can cotinue to ignore that since it hurts your argument.[/QUOTE]
She was on the phone during the entire ordeal? Really?
Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend told ABC News late Monday night her final phone conversation with him before he was shot dead by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
The girl, whose parents requested not to make her name public, was questioned by the Martin family’s attorney Benjamin Crump and described that her boyfriend was cornered by Zimmerman.
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”
“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for.’ And the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”
Sounds to me like she missed quite a bit of the "ordeal". Please keep in mind that this was originally posted back in March so I'm sure with some "coaching" she'll remember quite a few more details.
As far as her "testimony" I wasn't aware that she had spoken in court yet.
It is interesting to know that she assumes because the call went dead that Trayvon was the one getting pushed because unless he had a skill that I'm unaware of it would be quite difficult to keep a phone to your ear while assaulting someone else.
Or you can cotinue to ignore that since it hurts your argument.[/QUOTE]
She was on the phone during the entire ordeal? Really?
Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend told ABC News late Monday night her final phone conversation with him before he was shot dead by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.
The girl, whose parents requested not to make her name public, was questioned by the Martin family’s attorney Benjamin Crump and described that her boyfriend was cornered by Zimmerman.
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”
“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for.’ And the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”
Sounds to me like she missed quite a bit of the "ordeal". Please keep in mind that this was originally posted back in March so I'm sure with some "coaching" she'll remember quite a few more details.
As far as her "testimony" I wasn't aware that she had spoken in court yet.
It is interesting to know that she assumes because the call went dead that Trayvon was the one getting pushed because unless he had a skill that I'm unaware of it would be quite difficult to keep a phone to your ear while assaulting someone else.
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Yeah keep sticking your head in the sand and moving that goal post there, buddy.
I swear it's like arguing with a creationist. Everytime someone makes a valid point that debunks your stance you ignore what they're saying and double down on your rhetoric.
I swear it's like arguing with a creationist. Everytime someone makes a valid point that debunks your stance you ignore what they're saying and double down on your rhetoric.
[quote name='Purple Flames']Oh and here's the link to the story I mentioned about his girlfriend: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...death-recounts/story?id=15959017#.T9QYVLBYsui[/QUOTE]
And I'm not sure if you're lazy or haven't been following the case but you do know that the article you linked is so old that it is still referencing the misconception that Zimmerman "might" have said "coon" when in fact the FBI has gone on record saying that after a much more scientific analysis there is NO PROOF he said that...
but you knew that right?
And I'm not sure if you're lazy or haven't been following the case but you do know that the article you linked is so old that it is still referencing the misconception that Zimmerman "might" have said "coon" when in fact the FBI has gone on record saying that after a much more scientific analysis there is NO PROOF he said that...
but you knew that right?
[quote name='Purple Flames']Yeah keep sticking your head in the sand and moving that goal post there, buddy.
I swear it's like arguing with a creationist. Everytime someone makes a valid point that debunks your stance you ignore what they're saying and double down on your rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, you want to call them liars but there is a chance they actually believe their own stupidity.
I swear it's like arguing with a creationist. Everytime someone makes a valid point that debunks your stance you ignore what they're saying and double down on your rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much, you want to call them liars but there is a chance they actually believe their own stupidity.
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