Black Teen Shot, Killed By Neighborhood Watch

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']But they don't pay SCHOOL taxes, which is where many of the ESL programs are provided to their kids. Why should the rest of the school tax paying populace have to pay for a program that their kids don't need and end up paying for it for the kids of families who don't pay into that same system? It's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

WTF? What is this "SCHOOL tax", and why aren't they paying it?

My parents paid taxes when I was on ESL. What the fuck are you on about that immigrants don't pay taxes? And if you take ESL, you're still in school the same amount of time. So why should an 8 hour school day for one student cost more than someone else's? Would I get money back for not taking normal classes when I'm in ESL then?

And you might as well say handicapped kids should pay more, and special kids (not just bad special) should pay more too.

I would say ignorance is bliss, but you always seem grumpy, so I guess not.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']High school. But I guess back then I didn't notice the invasion of Spanish speakers or didn't care. Then again, the only time I really do care is when I say excuse me(in English) to some of em in a store n because they don't understand or speak English they don't move. I've also had my ankles and calves battered by the same folks when they just shove their way by me in a store due to a language barrier.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're such a victim.

But they don't pay SCHOOL taxes, which is where many of the ESL programs are provided to their kids. Why should the rest of the school tax paying populace have to pay for a program that their kids don't need and end up paying for it for the kids of families who don't pay into that same system? It's ridiculous.
You mean property tax right? Do immigrants not own homes? Do they not pay rent? Where do you think landlords get the money to pay property tax to begin with? A money tree?

Do you realize that you've just made the argument to end public schooling for kids that belong to families in poverty?

I did? If you mean I advocated it when I said that George Zimmerman was in the right for following someone who he didn't recognize in his neighborhood when he followed Trayvon Martin, then you have a very broad brush to paint that as 'racial profiling'. But as I'm seeing more and more you like to use incendiary terminology and paint anyone who doesn't agree with you with labels.
Racial profiling is incendiary language? Did Zimmerman follow every person he didn't know? Didn't Martin have the right to not be accosted by Zimmerman? Do YOU know everyone within a 3 block radius? How the hell is it reasonable to assume that just because you don't recognize someone that they don't belong there? Didn't you ALREADY admit that IT IS CREEPY AS fuck TO BE FOLLOWED BY SOME MAN IN A CAR AS A MINOR?

I also don't see you chastising Pliskin on his incendiary terminology. Shit, I had to goad you into saying something about his KKK post.

Yep. That's me. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get my white robe from the dry cleaners.;)

Someone who uses epithets and participates in activities which are used to intimidate minorities.
Racial profiling isn't intimidating?

I honestly don't know about my own ancestors. So I couldn't tell you how long my family has been in this country personally.
Then why the hell are you using it as an argument?

Again I'd rather not learn a new language. That's why I'd prefer it if the newbies coming here did so since they're the new people and I'm not gonna change.
That's not how life or the world works.

Maybe they could learn it from their kids, who are going to our schools and learning the language for free?
Again, it's not "free." It's no more "free" than the sidewalks, roads, and libraries being "free."

Obviously you've never seen any of my other posts in the other section of CAG. I'm fairly stubborn and highly opinionated.
Perhaps you didn't notice that I specifically said this thread or that I gave you credit for being a valuable member of the CAG community that gives great advice on game related stuff on this very page.

If I remember correctly, you seemingly blamed whitey for keeping down the people in the ghettos and/or putting them there. One can better themselves and rise up out of those places. So there has to be some reason why a portion of the people in the ghettos stay there. And no, the answer is not 'whiteys keeping them there'.
You asked for an explanation and I gave you two major contributing events. If it was that easy, then ghettos wouldn't exist. If you can't understand how those impoverished areas started, how the hell do you think you'll understand the cyclical and systemic effects? And how arrogant are you to think that you, someone that doesn't know jack shit about how racism shapes this country, can say with any authority that if black people just pulled up their fucking bootstraps, they'd be out of the fucking ghetto?

If that were possible, all of those non-English speaking immigrants would be driving around in luxury cars living in a 3000sq ft home with a 3 car garage.
 
[quote name='Spokker'] A forward thinking person would have practiced family planning, which they are very much encouraged to do in progressive California.[/QUOTE]

Oh no not that again. I got attacked as usual but this time for talking about family planning, two parents and marriage in another thread like I walked into a new black panther meeting dressed as george zimmerman. Forbid that kind of talk it is just not right wait right left liberal...no it's just common effin sense why else if there was no benefit why would liberals want gay marriage if marriage is such a bad thing and a worse thing to promote and does nothing but thse same people go after me like I said before...GZ in a NBP meeting..
 
[quote name='GBAstar']lololololol

anyone see this?

Jay-Z And Kanye To Blame For Gwyneth Paltrow’s Use Of N-Word

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/hip-ho...wyneth-paltrow-inappropriate-n-235602587.html


From the article:

But Paltrow isn't the only person confused about the etiquette for using the N-word. There's one simple rule. If you are not African American there is no instance for using the word that is not going to be taken offensively. If doesn't matter if you're friends with the most prominent African Africans on the planet, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Oprah or President Obama. Don't. Use. The. Word.


Really? This reminds me of the NAS controversy. If you don't want white people to use the "N" word in any capacity don't title your songs (or albums for that matter) using the word.

Perhaps if the black community is so offended by the word they shouldn't use it so loosely.

I bet all the rappers would love the major decline in sales if white kids in the suburbs weren't allowed to buy any cd's or movies that used the word.[/QUOTE]

I would say shhh to some young white relatives over the years that would say the word and then I stopped for a little while. They are children they hear it EVERYWHERE all the time they don't know it's bad as it is again EVERYWHERE all the time. I was scared what would happen to them for saying the word. As they got older I would explain more to them but when they were young they couldn't understand and even when older and it was explained the way it is now they are smart and said that is just STUPID. Anyway as adults we should be about putting the word in history and burying it there for good. It disgusted me to have to say that to little ones as they didn't understand the hypocrisy and the BS that went along with it.

Either everyone says it and it is fine or nobody says it as it is awful and always will be so lets bury it. The BS with it has to stop.
 
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[quote name='Spokker']Why do you think the education system is severely underfunded and overcrowded right now? Could the first sentence partially explain why?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the constant cuts to education over the past 20+ years.

Also, do you think it's okay that the public schooling taxpayers already pay for is broken, prompting people who already pay a lot of taxes to pay more to send their kids to private school?
This is funny because private schools became en vogue when segregation ended.

As far as overcrowding and funding goes, the school districts full of disadvantaged youth already have high per pupil funding rates, while schools in lily-white states like Montana often do more with less funding. The "schools are underfunded" propaganda might be a consequence of school districts being union strongholds.
Unions have nothing to do with it. Schools that do more with less are usually in districts that are far better off than those that require more funds.

Finally, the average tuition for a non-secular private school is about $16,200. New York State, New Jersey and Washington D.C. spend about $14,100, $13,800 and $13,000 per pupil respectively. In what sense are public schools underfunded? LAUSD, one of the worst school districts in the nation, spends $30,000 per pupil. (This includes funding for capital, which is usually not included in per pupil funding figures). Taking out capital costs, LAUSD spends $10k per student. That $20k per student is probably going to the politically connected consultants and construction companies responsible for these monstrosities.
FUZZY fucking MATH. Private schools also choose their students; public schools don't. Charter schools are also money sinkholes that don't necessarily provide a better education and are meant to privatize public schools while eliminating unions.

[quote name='Spokker']Public schools are funded out of bonds and property taxes, as far as I know. Since they are less likely to own property and taxes are regressive anyway, I doubt illegal immigrants and other mired in poverty are "paying" for their children's education (who are often citizens because they are born here). Coupled with medical programs for children, first 5 programs like healthy families, food stamp programs like WIC, public transportation subsidies, etc., it's probably a massive net benefit for the families. Keep in mind that students will also get two out of three meals per day at school.

Imagine being a parent, and the government is paying for two of your children's three meals. I wonder if this inability to feed your own children is something that weighs down on parents. A forward thinking person would have practiced family planning, which they are very much encouraged to do in progressive California.[/QUOTE]
People that are poor or in poverty don't exactly have the luxury of long-term planning.

[quote name='Spokker']It absolutely is not. Mexico is certainly not a nation of inventors.

But don't let this reality fool you. They are by no means dumb. They are poor, but not dumb, on average anyway.

A good overview of the real Mexico by an expat with a discussion of intelligence: http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexFacts.shtml

An overview of Mexican schools: http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexText.shtml

And another essay on intelligence. They are all good reads: http://www.fredoneverything.net/PhysBook.shtml

Remember, the dumb but ballsy, strong and hard-working Mexicans come here, and Mexico couldn't be happier about it. Now if only we could do something about that drug war.

And finally, this is just an amazing excerpt to me:


I can't recommend this guy enough for those who want to know the real Mexico.[/QUOTE]
Fred is a racist shit bag.

[quote name='GBAstar']lololololol

anyone see this?

Jay-Z And Kanye To Blame For Gwyneth Paltrow’s Use Of N-Word

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/hip-ho...wyneth-paltrow-inappropriate-n-235602587.html


From the article:

But Paltrow isn't the only person confused about the etiquette for using the N-word. There's one simple rule. If you are not African American there is no instance for using the word that is not going to be taken offensively. If doesn't matter if you're friends with the most prominent African Africans on the planet, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Oprah or President Obama. Don't. Use. The. Word.


Really? This reminds me of the NAS controversy. If you don't want white people to use the "N" word in any capacity don't title your songs (or albums for that matter) using the word.

Perhaps if the black community is so offended by the word they shouldn't use it so loosely.

I bet all the rappers would love the major decline in sales if white kids in the suburbs weren't allowed to buy any cd's or movies that used the word.[/QUOTE]
Are you itching to call a black person a n****r? A gay person a f*g? A lesbian a d*ke? An Asian person a g**k? A woman a c**t? No? Then get the fuck over it.

Do you feel you're being deprived of some joy in life by not saying that word or something? This is fucking ridiculous.

[quote name='Spokker']Imagine if she had to present an award for $$$$as in Paris at the Grammy Awards. Instead of 'sperging out, you say the name of the damn song. Screw anyone who writes or talks about this song without saying the full and uncensored title. You are cowards of your own design. Of course, it goes without saying that the censorship in this post is automatically applied by the forums software.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='elessar123']
My parents paid taxes when I was on ESL. What the fuck are you on about that immigrants don't pay taxes?
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In what years and what school district did you go to high school? If you went to school in California I can figure out how much it probably cost going back to the 98-99 school year.

By the time I entered high school it cost about $5,000 per average daily attendance in my district. By the time I left four years later it was up to $6,500. I personally may have cost less by my senior year as I only took a half-load, but I also took advantage of summer programs to boost my credits and advanced placement classes, so who knows how it really unfolds.

Anyway, considering how the district is funded, and how much in taxes my parents paid, my 3rd grade through 12th grade education (went to a private Catholic school for K through 2nd) was most likely partially paid by my parents and partially paid by the wealthier residents in the hills, while the wealthier residents paid even more and sent their children to private school.

Not saying it's inherently a bad thing, but it's the progressive system we generally advocate for. If my middle class parents probably did not pay for my schooling through taxation, is it unrealistic to suspect that the taxes that illegal immigrants pay come nowhere near paying for their children's education that they are legally entitled to because they were born here? And if we encourage or enable people to come here illegally, is it any wonder why the schools are perceived to be underfunded, overcrowded and under-performing?
 
[quote name='dohdough']
People that are poor or in poverty don't exactly have the luxury of long-term planning.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they are working seven jobs in a food desert and can't take two seconds to put on a condom.

Are you itching to call a black person a n****r? A gay person a f*g? A lesbian a d*ke? An Asian person a g**k? A woman a c**t? No? Then get the fuck over it.
No, we'd just like to talk less like children who cannot say a dirty word and more like adults enjoying adult content. And he's certainly right that the sales are affected by it. While I am generally not into hip-hop and rap, all of what I do enjoy generously uses the word. I wouldn't listen to it if it did not. It wouldn't be real.

By the way, I have no problem openly using the word cunt, but I certainly save it for those special occasions.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
Unions have nothing to do with it. Schools that do more with less are usually in districts that are far better off than those that require more funds. [/QUOTE]

Right...:roll: I don't know where you live but here and the other places I have lived unions have quite a bit to do with it. Especially where I live now though.

LOL @ "unions have NOTHING to do with it"

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[quote name='Spokker']Yeah, they are working seven jobs in a food desert and can't take two seconds to put on a condom.
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LOL I just saw this. I can't belive the roll (the roll being epic failure) DD is on today/tonight. Poor people can't plan even the basics like sex and you know that side effect that is hidden and only rich white folk know about....children.....LOL.
 
[quote name='Spokker']In what years and what school district did you go to high school? If you went to school in California I can figure out how much it probably cost going back to the 98-99 school year.[/QUOTE]

Houston for ESL. It was about $4000 a student.

So what if my parents didn't pay the full load. The taxes I'm paying now more than made up for it.

Plus, how many people with kids actually pay the whole load? If it costs $16,000 now on CA, you think a single kid family is paying $16,000 a year in property taxes? Three kid families ste paying $48k in property taxes a year? Of course not, do it's not fair to expect my parents to pay the full amount.

On the reverse, I could have never learned English and wasted the $4k a year taking the same classes as everyone.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']LOL I just saw this. I can't belive the roll (the roll being epic failure) DD is on today/tonight. Poor people can't plan even the basics like sex and you know that side effect that is hidden and only rich white folk know about....children.....LOL.[/QUOTE]

There are TONS of studies saying the poor have more kids. The theory is that they don't have money for other forms of entertainment.

Condoms are expensive when you're poor. It's like $1 a piece. And you know, even if they use condoms, typical usage have a high failure rate, something like 7%. That means even using a rubber, unless you follow the instructions to a T, there's a very real chance to get pregnant.
 
In many developing countries, those which do not have the best of health care, people often times have many kids because they have no idea how many will survive into adult hood. Having more kids is a bit of an insurance, that at least a few will survive. If it's an agrarian society then they also have extra hands for working the fields etc.

In more industrial countries (the U.S. for example) you can have just a couple of kids and both will most likely survive. Most of us no longer farm for a living either, so there is no need for extra hands to do the work. Although it seems that folks which are involved in farming still tend to have larger families than say an urban professional couple.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
I also don't see you chastising Pliskin on his incendiary terminology. Shit, I had to goad you into saying something about his KKK post.
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He did say something about my few posts and then I replied and he and I think others realized I was being very sarcastic and not serious because you are basically doing the same thing but using other language and different skin color. I think everyone here for a few pages was starting to get sick of your racist crap that always comes back to the same thing on almost everything. It is like a broken record. Whites ...racist and bad every last one, blacks never and can't be racist and are all victims of whites god like powers. It was about making fun of your extreme views and as I said I think most get/got that except maybe you.

Now carry on in DD fashion as I am sure you will.:drool:
 
[quote name='elessar123']There are TONS of studies saying the poor have more kids. The theory is that they don't have money for other forms of entertainment.

Condoms are expensive when you're poor. It's like $1 a piece. And you know, even if they use condoms, typical usage have a high failure rate, something like 7%. That means even using a rubber, unless you follow the instructions to a T, there's a very real chance to get pregnant.[/QUOTE]

....and again so poor people are incapable of family planning why? I hear and see the excuses but poor people aren't all stupid as rocks are they? They are so stupid that they don't know the simplest of facts about sex? That is what I was laughing about in my post to spokker and that was all.

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spokker "A forward thinking person would have practiced family planning, which they are very much encouraged to do in progressive California."

Dohdough "People that are poor or in poverty don't exactly have the luxury of long-term planning."

spokker "Yeah, they are working seven jobs in a food desert and can't take two seconds to put on a condom. "

Pliskin "LOL I just saw this. I can't belive the roll (the roll being epic failure) DD is on today/tonight. Poor people can't plan even the basics like sex and you know that side effect that is hidden and only rich white folk know about....children.....LOL."


The white comment was BS on my part for past reasons and a sarcastic jab at someone's views (long story) but anyway it wasn't called for. Sorry.
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It is basic... sex = kids... either dont have it (short-term planning) or be prepared for the possibility of kids if you do.... You know "family planning". Yes even the poor are capable of that basic understanding and basic planning.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']It is basic... sex = kids... either dont have it (short-term planning) or be prepared for the possibility of kids if you do.... You know "family planning". Yes even the poor are capable of that basic understanding and basic planning.[/QUOTE]

So when is someone in poverty going to have the means in their lifetime for kids? Probably never. So you're saying reproduction AND recreational sex should be reserved only for the wealthy? That's all sorts of wrong there. You donate to the Tea Party, I'm guessing.
 
Yes, sterilize the the poor, with the fee paid for by them out of pocket, with half of the fee going to the Tea Party. I think I'll run for the school board on this platform.
 
[quote name='elessar123']So when is someone in poverty going to have the means in their lifetime for kids? Probably never. So you're saying reproduction AND recreational sex should be reserved only for the wealthy? That's all sorts of wrong there. You donate to the Tea Party, I'm guessing.[/QUOTE]

Wow really? You might want to look in the mirror. That is one big jump you made there.

Did I say that poor people shouldn't have kids? Please PLEASE post where I said that!! If family planning to you goes there then that is on you pal not me.

I also like how you changed it from poor to POVERTY now as well. You know there is a difference right? On top of that POVERTY as considered here... in many places would be considered poor to lower to middle class? There are variations of poverty.

Tea party???:roll: Really? From me saying the majority of all people regardless of money have the capability of understanding the VERY BASICS OF SEX and FAMILY PLANNING?

Damn.... only the tea party is capable in your mind of understanding the basics of sex? :roll:

I guessed from your first post to me that you were just looking to me and wanting to make me a representation of that extreme (falsely) that is in your head just so you can have that fight you seem to be dying to have. I hoped I was wrong but it looks like I am not. :cry:

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[quote name='Pliskin101']Did I say that poor people shouldn't have kids? Please PLEASE post where I said that!! If family planning to you goes there then that is on you pal not me.

I also like how you changed it from poor to POVERTY now as well. You know there is a difference right? On top of that POVERTY as considered here... in many places would be considered poor to lower to middle class? There are variations of poverty.

Tea party???:roll: Really? From me saying the majority of all people regardless of money have the capability of understanding the VERY BASICS OF SEX and FAMILY PLANNING?

Damn.... only the tea party is capable in your mind of understanding the basics of sex? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Fine, leave it as poor. Birth control pills costs money, like $20 WITH insurance. Condoms costs money too. If you're poor -- depending on how poor, but you can't deny that there are "poor" people who are in poverty, because the official national "poverty" level is like $16000 with one kid. Just because you make $20000 doesn't automatically mean you're much better off than being in poverty.

And where are these poor people getting the means to have family planning? The only free "birth control," and the ONLY guaranteed method is abstinence, so the poor people can't have sex?

How do you know that the poor don't already use family planning, and get lots of kids from higher failure rates due to having more sex, or cheaper rubber, since they can't spare money for other forms of entertainment? That still implies the poor should have less recreational sex.

And you're saying poor people should practice family planning. At what point? At zero kids? Two kids? Four kids? Any tangible answer means that the poor shouldn't be allowed to have as many children as the wealthy, since I don't see restrictions placed on them. Why shouldn't the wealthy have to practice family planning?

So how the hell am I jumping to conclusions?

Edit: I apologize for the Tea Party crap, but that's probably it. As for poor/poverty, there's at least some overlap. It's not like if you're poor, you can every manage to save up a significant amount of money. So something major comes up, and then what? You might not officially be in poverty, but you're no better off in reality.
 
[quote name='Pliskin101'] Anyway as adults we should be about putting the word in history and burying it there for good. It disgusted me to have to say that to little ones as they didn't understand the hypocrisy and the BS that went along with it.

Either everyone says it and it is fine or nobody says it as it is awful and always will be so lets bury it. The BS with it has to stop.[/QUOTE]

That's boring. Why not just follow context like normal human beings? Foul language is way too much fun to be buried forever.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']That's boring. Why not just follow context like normal human beings? Foul language is way too much fun to be buried forever.[/QUOTE]

LOL and +1 point for "context" :D
 
I meant good point on the "context" part. If it means what I think it does.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
Are you itching to call a black person a n****r? A gay person a f*g? A lesbian a d*ke? An Asian person a g**k? A woman a c**t? No? Then get the fuck over it.[/QUOTE]

I rarely ever hear an Asian refer to other Asians as g**ks, women to other women as c**nts, etc. When the gays or lesbians use the terms f*gs or d*kes, it's usually in a condecending way making fun of intolerant people among those who don't see them as anyone other than equal. The only times these words would come out otherwise would be in a heated conversation.

Maybe it's because I'm not part of the groups to know for sure or not, so I could be entirely wrong there. Just going off my personal experiences with individuals in my short time on this planet.

I think the confusion comes from black people using it as a friendly term with each other then get in a huff when someone not of the same color uses it at all regardless of intent. Though I've noticed people who use the word n*gger in their songs also use derogatory terms towards women like bitch, whore, etc.
 
Confusion only comes from people who don't understand the context of conversation and whether any of what's being said is meant to be offensive or even directed at them. If you can't tell the difference between an openly racist insult and friends bickering over a game of Monopoly, than you are at least mildly autistic.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']Confusion only comes from people who don't understand the context of conversation and whether any of what's being said is meant to be offensive or even directed at them. If you can't tell the difference between an openly racist insult and friends bickering
over a game of Monopoly, than you are at least mildly autistic.[/QUOTE]

That's not the point. I just don't understand why the black community has the sensitivity knob dialed up to a "100" with that word. It's hypocritical at best. There are many other cultures that had things as bad if not worse happen to them during the course of history...

You don't see indians calling eachother "injuns" "redskins" or worse as a way to show endearment or build community. Same goes with asians, italians, the irish, whites, gays, jews, etc.

The only community I can think of that is hyper senstive to a word when used by outsiders but lets it roll of their tongue with very little regard when used amongst eachother is the black community.

Hell over the years it has even transformed slightly and variations have become commonly used amongst many puerto ricans, dominicans, and intermixed men and woman of color.
 
"Well last time I checked, that was the only advantage I had to being black. You wanna trade places? You scream $$$$er and I'll raise interest rates." - Chris Rock.
 
Fair points, but I don't think many black people would be angry over that celebrity's comments these days. I think it's becoming less of an issue, but extremely sensitive people will always exist, and they are very loud. We really aren't that far ahead of the civil rights movements, things like this take time.
 
[quote name='4thHorseman']I rarely ever hear an Asian refer to other Asians as g**ks, women to other women as c**nts, etc. When the gays or lesbians use the terms f*gs or d*kes, it's usually in a condecending way making fun of intolerant people among those who don't see them as anyone other than equal. The only times these words would come out otherwise would be in a heated conversation.

Maybe it's because I'm not part of the groups to know for sure or not, so I could be entirely wrong there. Just going off my personal experiences with individuals in my short time on this planet.

I think the confusion comes from black people using it as a friendly term with each other then get in a huff when someone not of the same color uses it at all regardless of intent. Though I've noticed people who use the word n*gger in their songs also use derogatory terms towards women like bitch, whore, etc.[/QUOTE]
There shouldn't be anything confusing about it. It has been historically used by a particular group in power, whites, to oppress another group, black people. The Civil Rights Act doesn't suddenly make that go away and wipe the slate clean. Not to mention that it still hasn't even been 50 years. The reason why intent doesn't matter is because despite there being some progress in how black people are treated, we're still not all that removed from that period. Whites using that term only reinforces the acceptability of casual racism regardless of intent.

Btw, derogatory language used to describe women have been used in music for thousands of years. The fact that n****r is used is irrelevant.

[quote name='GBAstar']That's not the point. I just don't understand why the black community has the sensitivity knob dialed up to a "100" with that word. It's hypocritical at best. There are many other cultures that had things as bad if not worse happen to them during the course of history...

You don't see indians calling eachother "injuns" "redskins" or worse as a way to show endearment or build community. Same goes with asians, italians, the irish, whites, gays, jews, etc.

The only community I can think of that is hyper senstive to a word when used by outsiders but lets it roll of their tongue with very little regard when used amongst eachother is the black community.

Hell over the years it has even transformed slightly and variations have become commonly used amongst many puerto ricans, dominicans, and intermixed men and woman of color.[/QUOTE]
Do you think that you should be able to take away the agency of a group to categorize themselves? Words have power and by reappropriating it, it takes power away from those trying to use it as a weapon. There are few words in the English language with the gravitas of n****r. Saying that it's hypocritical just handwaves any and all historical context of its use.

edit: Not directed at any one person in particular, but I always found it morbidly interesting when whites complain about not being able to say n****r or have it be acceptable. It shouldn't even need a fucking explanation, yet here we are.
 
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I just think everyone should be able to say the word in appropriate situations, like any slur. This means in cases like those of study or quotation. As a kid I had to go through 6 years of English courses built around black literature, and every time a student wanted to talk about a part of a book that meant saying $$$$er, he'd have to beat around the bush like a complete idiot because he was terrified someone in the classroom would rip his head off. Most teachers, thankfully, encouraged us to behave like adults and allowed the term for discussion.

At the same time, I remember a fight that broke out when a white kid walked up to a black student and called him a $$$$er to his face. White kid got his jaw broken, as he rightfully should have.

So I understand the sensitivity, and I understand the weight language can carry. But pretending that any word is unspeakable -- no matter the context -- is just a primitive way of dodging the issue. Because there are students who would make a scene during class if a white kid quoted To Kill a Mocking Bird, and that's just way too extreme.

Fortunately I think the younger generations are becoming much more chill on the whole issue. And as I said, friends should have the right to establish what's okay to say to one another in the privacy of their own conversations. But that certainly doesn't mean slurs are okay to say at a ball game with your buddies.
 
[quote name='dohdough']There shouldn't be anything confusing about it. It has been historically used by a particular group in power, whites, to oppress another group, black people. The Civil Rights Act doesn't suddenly make that go away and wipe the slate clean. Not to mention that it still hasn't even been 50 years. The reason why intent doesn't matter is because despite there being some progress in how black people are treated, we're still not all that removed from that period. Whites using that term only reinforces the acceptability of casual racism regardless of intent.

Btw, derogatory language used to describe women have been used in music for thousands of years. The fact that n****r is used is irrelevant.


Do you think that you should be able to take away the agency of a group to categorize themselves? Words have power and by reappropriating it, it takes power away from those trying to use it as a weapon. There are few words in the English language with the gravitas of n****r. Saying that it's hypocritical just handwaves any and all historical context of its use.

edit: Not directed at any one person in particular, but I always found it morbidly interesting when whites complain about not being able to say n****r or have it be acceptable. It shouldn't even need a fucking explanation, yet here we are.[/QUOTE]

Let me make this clear. I'm not complaining about NOT being able to use it; not one bit. I've got no desire to use that word and I find it highly offensive; just like I find it offensive when blacks are referred to as monkeys, jungle bunnies or any other derogatory word.

What I disapprove of is that it becomes problematic when whites or any other race outside of blacks are in a situation where in context it should be okay to use the word (like what panzerfaust was discussing); meaning talking about or describing black music, literature, media etc.

Like for example if I'm asked about a scene from a movie or a bar from a song---am I supposed to sub player, nukka, nikka or just make an awkward sounding noise?

There are plenty of high profile black americans who became successful that didn't go running around referring to themself or their loved ones as $$$$ers. Unfortunately it appears their blackness gets discounted by others in the black community for speaking out against using the word.


Edit: How silly would it look if a community of gay man ran around calling each other $$$$$$s or gay woman dykes or jewish business man kikes. Do you want to be taken seriously or hold onto a word for history sake?
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']I just think everyone should be able to say the word in appropriate situations, like any slur. This means in cases like those of study or quotation. As a kid I had to go through 6 years of English courses built around black literature, and every time a student wanted to talk about a part of a book that meant saying $$$$er, he'd have to beat around the bush like a complete idiot because he was terrified someone in the classroom would rip his head off. Most teachers, thankfully, encouraged us to behave like adults and allowed the term for discussion.

At the same time, I remember a fight that broke out when a white kid walked up to a black student and called him a $$$$er to his face. White kid got his jaw broken, as he rightfully should have.

So I understand the sensitivity, and I understand the weight language can carry. But pretending that any word is unspeakable -- no matter the context -- is just a primitive way of dodging the issue. Because there are students who would make a scene during class if a white kid quoted To Kill a Mocking Bird, and that's just way too extreme.[/QUOTE]
I agree that context is important, but the examples given were all about how black people are too damned sensitive and how they shouldn't be because they called each other n***as.

Fortunately I think the younger generations are becoming much more chill on the whole issue. And as I said, friends should have the right to establish what's okay to say to one another in the privacy of their own conversations. But that certainly doesn't mean slurs are okay to say at a ball game with your buddies.
Racism and other -isms aren't going away because older generations are dying off. You'd be surprised, or maybe not, at how prevalent racism is with your generational peers. As for friends establishing boundaries of what's appropriate, I can only say that it depends. But you might also be surprised about the normalizing effect by using such terms and how it might manifest itself at the ballgame.

After substituting "retarded" for stupid for over 20 years, I still catch myself almost mouthing it or pausing to make sure I don't say it.

[quote name='GBAstar']Let me make this clear. I'm not complaining about NOT being able to use it; not one bit. I've got no desire to use that word and I find it highly offensive; just like I find it offensive when blacks are referred to as monkeys, jungle bunnies or any other derogatory word.

What I disapprove of is that it becomes problematic when whites or any other race outside of blacks are in a situation where in context it should be okay to use the word (like what panzerfaust was discussing); meaning talking about or describing black music, literature, media etc.

Like for example if I'm asked about a scene from a movie or a bar from a song---am I supposed to sub player, nukka, nikka or just make an awkward sounding noise?[/QUOTE]
You don't get credit for piggy-backing someone else's much more reasoned argument after talking about how black people are just too sensitive. If you have a problem saying it or feel the need to make odd sounds in place of it, then there are some issues that you need to work out on your own.

Black people didn't poison the word for white people; white people poisoned the word for white people.

There are plenty of high profile black americans who became successful that didn't go running around referring to themself or their loved ones as $$$$ers. Unfortunately it appears their blackness gets discounted by others in the black community for speaking out against using the word.
Examples? No one's blackness is denied strictly because they don't use the word, but because of a pattern of things.

Edit: How silly would it look if a community of gay man ran around calling each other $$$$$$s or gay woman dykes or jewish business man kikes. Do you want to be taken seriously or hold onto a word for history sake?
If that's how they want to address each other, that's on them. It's about kinship, shared experiences, and acknowledgement of the hardships that they face. Your dismissiveness is your problem; not theirs. People that will marginalize them will marginalize them regardless of how they address each other.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I agree that context is important, but the examples given were all about how black people are too damned sensitive and how they shouldn't be because they called each other n***as. [/quote]

I'm aware my posts are in between those that have issues with black people using the term loosely, but I'd just like to clarify that I have no problem with it. My only problem is with over sensitivity -- no one should have to feel intimidated if they're having a mature, inoffensive conversation about the term. That's just awful.

Racism and other -isms aren't going away because older generations are dying off. You'd be surprised, or maybe not, at how prevalent racism is with your generational peers. As for friends establishing boundaries of what's appropriate, I can only say that it depends. But you might also be surprised about the normalizing effect by using such terms and how it might manifest itself at the ballgame.

After substituting "retarded" for stupid for over 20 years, I still catch myself almost mouthing it or pausing to make sure I don't say it.

I've confronted peers that actually are racist and use racial slurs to describe minorities in conversation. So yes, they do exist, and are good examples of how hurtful language can be. The weight of foul language, however, is also why it's such a beautiful thing to use in the company of friends who understand friendship and humor. I'm not talking about a group of white guys venting their racism and calling each other $$$$er at every chance they are out of earshot of a black person. I'm talking friends of all backgrounds being able to turn all the hate those words spawned from, and into something completely meaningless for the sake of atmosphere.

Other languages do this as well, some don't even have real curse words but simply have rude dialect that is completely based on context and relationship. Words like "retarded" fly by without notice these days, everyone sort of knows what's up there. Hell, if you correct yourself for saying that, people might find you way too uptight. But racial slurs have a much darker history, so I certainly agree that I never want to hear other ethnic groups throwing them around as loosely as "retarded." Socially adept people know what situations are okay for what language, and the fouler the term, the more private and friendlier the context should be.
 
I would like to take a moment and clarify something, something which apparently has caused more outrage then i even knew about.

The word "$$$$ardly" refers to someone who acts stingy, or poor to others. It has absolutely nothing to do with any racial slur, the words do not share origin, and the term has been used in literature for a very long time. The fact that some people are too ignorant to know this has caused a lot of unnecessary outrage and anger and has led to people getting punished for what amounts to nothing.

Hell, it's a term used frequently in the Song of Ice and Fire book series.
 
Well, shyster isn't anti-semitic either, but I still wouldn't use it freely regardless of what it means, it's origin, or if I'm using it correctly.

There are more important battles to be fought than making sure people are offended for the right reasons. It's not like racists care about getting their slurs right when the intent is fully understood.

edit: If someone chooses to use those types of words, more power to 'em, but I prefer to save myself the hassle.
 
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[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']:lol: What the hell is wrong with Florida these days? Wasn't it just last week we had that 'zombie'(dude on meth) who ate another guy's face?[/QUOTE]


Well I think the "prankster" from the video was trying to play on the recent events; some have said he was targeting black people for his antics others came to his defense and claimed that there are just a lot of black people in that population.

Not really sure what to believe but either this is staged (i.e. the "victims" in the clip had a heads up of what was about to happen) or this guy is extremely lucky he didn't get fucked up... or shot
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This thread is positively sickening. Good show on the overt racism, plisskin et. al.[/QUOTE]

Child abuse is sickening. This thread is, at most, disagreeable to some people and benign to others.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']So... I haven't posted in this thread for something like 200 posts... yet, the same folks who always give me a hard time and accuse me of being off topic and disruptive are STILL going at it in this thread, completely off topic and disruptive.

It seems to me, some folks just look for any reason they can find.[/QUOTE]

...and another 200 posts later... more of the same from more of the same.
 
It is so strange that this happens now ...anyway..Yep only white people are racist right dohdough? Well today I found out a couple that are friends and in their late sixties were jumped and the man got the hell beat out of him really really bad as did the wife and her leg broken. Why? Simply for being white. Yes that was it.... all while racial slurs and racial hate were thrown their way in violence and words.

They are innocent (not racist as dd would like them to be) and very nice sweet people and when I spoke to the guy he was so effed up mentally and physically.

I am against racism and am not naive to be of the belief only white people are and can be racist.

Sick!
 
[quote name='Pliskin101']It is so strange that this happens now ...anyway..Yep only white people are racist right dohdough? Well today I found out a couple that are friends and in their late sixties were jumped and the man got the hell beat out of him really really bad as did the wife and her leg broken. Why? Simply for being white. Yes that was it.... all while racial slurs and racial hate were thrown their way in violence and words.

They are innocent (not racist as dd would like them to be) and very nice sweet people and when I spoke to the guy he was so effed up mentally and physically.

I am against racism and am not naive to be of the belief only white people are and can be racist.

Sick![/QUOTE]
I just found out that a black family, friends of mine in matter of fact, got beaten up by a bunch of white punks just because they were black. An entire family of 3. SICK!11!!oneONEoNeone!11!!

But hey, at least I'm not defending someone that killed an unarmed minor.

Check and mate.

You'll have to excuse me for not believing a single fucking word you say.:roll:
 
[quote name='dohdough']I just found out that a black family, friends of mine in matter of fact, got beaten up by a bunch of white punks just because they were black. An entire family of 3. SICK!11!!oneONEoNeone!11!!

But hey, at least I'm not defending someone that killed an unarmed minor.

Check and mate.

You'll have to excuse me for not believing a single fucking word you say.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Actually they got jumped by six people (not that it matters if it was one or a dozen though)... excuse me racist effing animals. Racist people come in ALL colors. Whoever does it they are nothing more than that... racist animals. You can write it off but I NEVER WILL and I will always be intolerant of it from ANYONE to ANYONE.

At least now you are saying "someone" and a minor not a whitey kkk card-carrying moron racially profiling and hunting down a BLACK kid for the lone reason of him being black. And yes that is what you have been saying while I may be paraphrasing it is just that from you.

Please point out where I have condoned the lone gunman and single idiot Zimmerman in killing a kid. Please. I think the lynch mob and the race baiters IE YOU are making this about their sick BS. There should be a fair trial and fair charges and a fair outcome and that does not mean NO punishment. But that also doesn't mean having every racist motherfucker on the planet IE YOU make it their bs call for their effed up agendas and racist beliefs. I will be here everyday calling people like you on their BS. Just as I am against racism from all people.

Words have power right? That is what you said. You think that redefining racism (to fit your sick racist view) and ignoring it in some or pretending it isn't there and calling ALL white people racist isn't harmful? Are the KKK's words harmful are black supremacists words harmful? They are just words right? Where do you think that people like those six who viciously attacked my friends LEARNED there racist BS from? Or others that have done the same or just racists.

You think you are doing any good? You are not, you are encouraging and fostering racism and all that it does by your BS. I will be here everyday calling you on it...in all the ways I have been by sarcasm, ugliness in being that OTHER RACIST that is just the same as you it is mirroring you MORON. It is ugly and racist people are ugly YOU ARE UGLY.

You don't want justice for Trayvon you want and have made it about your sickness and your racist insanity. I want justice and true justice based in reality. I know you can't handle that. To fucking bad!!

I don't care if you believe me (about my friends) or not there are many cases just like the one that happened from people of all color to people not of their color it is REAL and it is SICK. Your words are sick and your racist ass is sick.(wouldn't surprise me though if your actions are racist too or will be)

It's obvious you know squat about chess.

Catch you later on the threads where you are spouting your racist garbage....count on it.

edit: didn't you call me a racist Dohdough (once or twice at least)? Hmmm?? Doesn't that go against your beliefs?
 
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[quote name='dohdough']But hey, at least I'm not defending someone that killed an unarmed minor.[/QUOTE]

I know, right? Because accused criminals don't deserve to be defended by anyone, and we are all guilty until proven innocent! Oh wait, we're in America. Nevermind...fucking moron...
 
[quote name='dohdough']
This is especially funny because you initially made posts on this thread saying that Zimmerman is guilty and needs to be punished without even throwing in the racial aspect of it.
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Oh wait here it is just a few pages back. When you thought I meant Zimmerman should NOT be punished by my free statement. In fairness it sounded like that but please remember we were talking about BAIL and the lynch mob (and f course poking at you). Anyway yes that is right from the onset here I have said zimmerman killed martin and should be punished (thanks for pointing it out). That is a no brainer at the minimum he was/is a moron and responsible for wreckless behavior. 2nd degree murder? No. Involuntary manslughter just for being so damn dumb? I don't know...probably or something similar. I have said from the onset as well I didn't think it to be a racial killing and or racial conspiracy.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I know, right? Because accused criminals don't deserve to be defended by anyone, and we are all guilty until proven innocent! Oh wait, we're in America. Nevermind...fucking moron...[/QUOTE]

I think I mentioned that before. But yeah it is more guilty until proven otherwise these days in our jacked up system.

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you do realize that 10% is a fee and is NOT refunded... right? So that hypothetical 135k (at the time) that is being claimed as in a trust that was donated for fighting his case and not available to the client even if it was and a million dollar bail was set and zimmerman got a bondsman and paid the ten percent then what is left for the so claimed legal defense fund then? 35k? (at that time). Going back to what I said so the difference in the bond is going to be what now? The million dollars is still outrageous now but was more so then. But he may not get bond set this time. But we will see when the facts come out and the court hears and decides it after hearing both sides. But if he and his wife did CONSPIRE to lie to the court about money they ACTUALLY had or has access to and HIDE a passport and DID actually discuss leaving the country against bail terms after charges and after being bailed then sure he may not get bailed this time.

Are you okay with all the brothers out there that are so unfairly treated in the justice system getting bail set at outrageous amounts that can't be afforded or set to an amount that would surely take everything they have if they use a ten percent bail bondsman? They can afford it.

Remember innocent UNTIL proven guilty? Yeah okay whatever and we will make sure you are broke before the process even truly gets started and you can't get money to specifically defend yourself either.
. Yeah yeah we all know it is guilty until proven innocent. So I don't like the system I am so happy for you that you do. Remember that next time you bring up the justice system their pal. I will.

edit: Did Zimmerman pay the full 150k originally or did he pay the ten percent with collateral of his parents home or whatever? Anyway lets let people rot in jail and base bail on everything they have and will lose just to be free until a speedy (yeah right) trial or to hell with them they can rot until THEY PROVE THEY ARE INNOCENT. That is really innocent until proven guilty. Oh and I can't remember but I think most people agreed and still do that 2nd degree was and is an OVER CHARGE nevermind that little thing in considering the bond amount. Do you think 2nd degree was the right charge dohdough? Then do you think that at a bond hearing with that charge would be fair then?[/QUOTE]

The brothers comment was because DD only cares if it is black people so I took it to his level to try to get him to understand...but it doesn't matter as it is still not a black person we are talking about so it does not apply in his mind.
 
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[quote name='dohdough']Well, shyster isn't anti-semitic either, but I still wouldn't use it freely regardless of what it means, it's origin, or if I'm using it correctly.

There are more important battles to be fought than making sure people are offended for the right reasons. It's not like racists care about getting their slurs right when the intent is fully understood.

edit: If someone chooses to use those types of words, more power to 'em, but I prefer to save myself the hassle.[/QUOTE]
My point is just that people shouldn't be punished for it. if someone is offended, explain to them what it means, but go on. I mean does George Martin deserve to get shit for using it? Bo, he doesn't. It's a perfectly acceptable word, it just happens to sound like an offensive word. It's like someone getting upset that "hello" is one word away from "hell" (there are some of those folks too actually...).
 
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