Black Teen Shot, Killed By Neighborhood Watch

[Spokker]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Actually I saw that post by Pliskin and I kinda did one of these: :shock: I mean, that was just full on KKK level racist shit in that post. Even I admit it on that one.
[/QUOTE]
What he posted, in his trademark way, is partially true (though no researcher would ever say it that way).

That there are race differences in measured IQ is a documented fact. The controversy stems from why those differences arise. According to the American Psychological Association, there is no adequate explanation that currently exists. There is no conclusive support for either genetic or environmental explanations. Essentially, it's still an open question.

In its simplest terms, it comes down to nature vs. nurture. If given the same structural characteristics as whites, would blacks perform on the same level in the usual metrics? It's oversimplified, I understand, but that's the gist of it.

If you want to have an easier life, you'll say it is environment. Some believe it is a mix of genetic and environmental factors. Hard mode is taking an all-genetic approach.

That IQ is correlated with things like success or wealth or whatever are relatively non-controversial. It might piss some people off but it won't personally destroy you like discussing race and IQ might.

Books like The Bell Curve have really been vilified over the years, even though it only had one chapter on race and intelligence and it is actually quite tame if you read it (there's also an audiobook). At the end of it all, they still say that it would be stupid to use any IQ results when treating individuals, and that individuals should be treated as individuals.

The existence of race differences in IQ does not support the idea of white supremacy, as Asians score higher than whites and there are a lot of blacks that are smarter than a lot of whites when you look at the distributions. So this idea that all whites are superior to all blacks is silly and not based in reality.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']
I guess being called retarded, sick, crazy, racist, black supremacist, etc aren't degrading at all! Especially when I've been called all of the above countless times by one person alone.
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The shoe fits and yet you just keep posting your retarded, sick, crazy, racist, and black supremacist crap day after day. I don't think anyone here thinks you are not racist. Then of course the rest would and does fit.

 

[Msut77]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']One thing I'm noticing anytime I pop my head into this thread is that dohdough seems to be calling everyone else racist, stupid, etc, etc.

Yet for the most part the people he's degrading in such a way are attempting to respond in a civil manner without resorting to such denigration.

Hmmmmm.....makes you think, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

You aren't reading the same thread I am.

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='Msut77']You aren't reading the same thread I am.[/QUOTE]
I guess not.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']No worse then the crap dohdough spouts off on a daily basis. It isn't easy to read and not much fun is it?

[/QUOTE]
Find me one post where I claim that black people are superior to all races or that whites are inferior to all races. I have over 3000 posts, so if what you claim is true, then you should be able to find one.

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']True. According to him, whitey can do no right and da black(brown/tan/etc/etc) people cannot be racist against themselves but if they are it's still whitey's fault....somehow.:lol:[/QUOTE]
It's called divide and conquer. As long as you have oppressed groups fighting for scraps, it takes attention off the ones actually causing it. If racism hurts someone, then someone else is benefiting from it. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

[quote name='Spokker']What he posted, in his trademark way, is partially true (though no researcher would ever say it that way).

That there are race differences in measured IQ is a documented fact. The controversy stems from why those differences arise. According to the American Psychological Association, there is no adequate explanation that currently exists. There is no conclusive support for either genetic or environmental explanations. Essentially, it's still an open question.

In its simplest terms, it comes down to nature vs. nurture. If given the same structural characteristics as whites, would blacks perform on the same level in the usual metrics? It's oversimplified, I understand, but that's the gist of it.[/quote]
It's a documented fact that IQ tests have and have always been culturally biased. It is NOT and open question at all. Only racists use it to defend their views.

If you want to have an easier life, you'll say it is environment. Some believe it is a mix of genetic and environmental factors. Hard mode is taking an all-genetic approach.

Gattaca is not a documentary.

That IQ is correlated with things like success or wealth or whatever are relatively non-controversial. It might piss some people off but it won't personally destroy you like discussing race and IQ might.

Non-controversial my ass.

Books like The Bell Curve have really been vilified over the years, even though it only had one chapter on race and intelligence and it is actually quite tame if you read it (there's also an audiobook). At the end of it all, they still say that it would be stupid to use any IQ results when treating individuals, and that individuals should be treated as individuals.

Sources matter and when you use white supremacist material to support your thesis in the way the book does, you don't get absolved for it by saying it's all about the individual.

The existence of race differences in IQ does not support the idea of white supremacy, as Asians score higher than whites and there are a lot of blacks that are smarter than a lot of whites when you look at the distributions. So this idea that all whites are superior to all blacks is silly and not based in reality.

Did you familiarize yourself with why Asians trend higher than whites yet?

[quote name='Pliskin101']The shoe fits and yet you just keep posting your retarded, sick, crazy, racist, and black supremacist crap day after day. I don't think anyone here thinks you are not racist. Then of course the rest would and does fit.[/QUOTE]
This is the nth time you've made those claims, but I have yet to see one shred of evidence and a concise explanation to prove any one of them. The more you make those claims, the more it shows that you can't back any of your accusations. The more you avoid engaging my actual points, the more it shows how ignorant you are. Honestly, I don't care what you or your ideological brethren call or think of me as it only serves my point in demonstrating your ignorance.

As much as I detest Spokker, at least he attempts to address points and make them whether they're racist, and they tend to be, or not.

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='dohdough']It's called divide and conquer. As long as you have oppressed groups fighting for scraps, it takes attention off the ones actually causing it. If racism hurts someone, then someone else is benefiting from it. It's not a difficult concept to understand. [/QUOTE]
So by this logic, you believe that whitey is to blame for the disproportionate number of African-Americans who are arrested for dealing drugs and they are also 'forcing' them to live in the ghettos?

You must also believe that we actually funded and carried out the 9/11 attacks on our own people, since you apparently believe is such far, far, farrrrrr right wing conspiracy theories as listed above.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']So by this logic, you believe that whitey is to blame for the disproportionate number of African-Americans who are arrested for dealing drugs and they are also 'forcing' them to live in the ghettos?[/QUOTE]
Learn about white flight and redlining, then come back to me.

White males are actually statistically more prone to using drugs than Asians and black people according to numerous reputable studies, yet black males are 10 times more likely to be arrested for it. I actually know the answer, but let's see how YOU explain it since you're so smart and I'm so craaayzee.

You must also believe that we actually funded and carried out the 9/11 attacks on our own people, since you apparently believe is such far, far, farrrrrr right wing conspiracy theories as listed above.

No and if you're going to make the claim that divide and conquer is a conspiracy theory, I'd like to see you explain it.

edit: I know you're not going to have a good answer and to possibly save myself some time, go learn about indentured servitude and it's transition to slavery in the 1600's.

 

[Pliskin101]

according to dohdough and his own beliefs and words he is actually the one that is trying to divide and conquer

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']according to dohdough and his own beliefs and words he is actually the one that is trying to divide and conquer[/QUOTE]
Explain how.

 

[GBAstar]

[quote name='dohdough']Learn about white flight and redlining, then come back to me.

White males are actually statistically more prone to using drugs than Asians and black people according to numerous reputable studies, yet black males are 10 times more likely to be arrested for it. I actually know the answer, but let's see how YOU explain it since you're so smart and I'm so craaayzee.

No and if you're going to make the claim that divide and conquer is a conspiracy theory, I'd like to see you explain it.

edit: I know you're not going to have a good answer and to possibly save myself some time, go learn about indentured servitude and it's transition to slavery in the 1600's.[/QUOTE]

Black males are 10 times more likely to be arrested for USING drugs or Drug related crimes. The studies I've seen focus on crimes not just use. And the answer to that would be there are a lot of more black males running street corners then white males. That doesn't mean there aren't just as many white drug dealers but like any business there is a smart way to conduct it and a lazy shortcut way that draws attention to yourself.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='GBAstar']Black males are 10 times more likely to be arrested for USING drugs or Drug related crimes. The studies I've seen focus on crimes not just use. And the answer to that would be there are a lot of more black males running street corners then white males. That doesn't mean there aren't just as many white drug dealers but like any business there is a smart way to conduct it and a lazy shortcut way that draws attention to yourself.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that you just explained that black people are treated more harshly when it comes to drug related crime than white people right?

edit: Now if white people are twice as likely to use drugs, why aren't they arrested at twice the rate of black users? Obviously most users aren't running corners and you already kinda answered "why," but I'm curious to see if you can reason this one out. Let's disaggregate the data a little more and just look at users and not dealers as those are different enough. If the studies you've seen focus on crime, then it should have data on the types of crimes.

 

[Spokker]

I am skeptical of claims of inherent racism in the criminal justice system whether the charge is drugs or not, but we probably both want the same thing, the end of the worthless drug wars. If blacks benefit substantially from that, and we see improvement in incarceration rates, educational attainment, crime rates, etc., then all the better.

 

[Pliskin101]

LIBERALISM - "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal"

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='Clak']That RPG analogy is pretty spot on.[/QUOTE]

LIBERALISM - "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal"
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/report.php?p=9671939

 

[Pliskin101]

and more specific to the topic...

 

[Spokker]

This forum is too slow.

I should post 20 threads about Taylor Swift.

 

[Msut77]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...s-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133

 

[bigdaddybruce44]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']So by this logic, you believe that whitey is to blame for the disproportionate number of African-Americans who are arrested for dealing drugs and they are also 'forcing' them to live in the ghettos?[/QUOTE]

He probably also agrees with Al Sharpton that the Republican Party is waging a campaign to eliminate black people...

 

[SpazX]

Oh god the race card - for 's sake I wish they would at least learn how to spell "reparation." It's derived from repair, why the hell would it have an "e" in there? Read a ing book. I can only guess that whoever made that card would be just as likely to lead a "learn our language" bitch-fest as well. I hope it made them feel better about themselves and their place in the universe. And I really hope it wasn't you Pliskin.

Also - interesting article, Msut.

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='SpazX']I can only guess that whoever made that card would be just as likely to lead a "learn our language" bitch-fest as well.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to what, catering to the current generation of immigrants coming here? They are coming into a land that is not their own native country. Why shouldn't they assimilate to our way of life as opposed to everyone else bending over backwards to make life tolerable here for them? I was born here, I speak English. If you don't, then I guess we have no way of communicating.

Maybe it's considered 'ignorant', but it's a view that many people(and not just 'omg racists') share. It's just that other people are too pansy ass to say it.

 

[bigdaddybruce44]

Definitely not ignorant, in my opinion. I've always been of the opinion that if someone comes here and wants to stay home with their family and have minimal contact with the public, it's their business whether or not their learn English. You want to drive a car, conduct business, etc., though, you should no choice but to learn the language of the land.

Unfortunately, this country has a horrible reputation of completely overcompensating for past sins. When many of our ancestors came here, they didn't just learn English, they did their best to rid themselves of their accents. Many of them even changed their names. They wanted to be Americans, because being anything else was frowned upon. Now, it's the complete opposite. It's frowned upon to suggest that people should be proud of America and share in its culture. We are expected to respect, and many cases revere, other cultures more than our own.

 

[ID2006]

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Definitely not ignorant, in my opinion. I've always been of the opinion that if someone comes here and wants to stay home with their family and have minimal contact with the public, it's their business whether or not their learn English. You want to drive a car, conduct business, etc., though, you should no choice but to learn the language of the land.

Unfortunately, this country has a horrible reputation of completely overcompensating for past sins. When many of our ancestors came here, they didn't just learn English, they did their best to rid themselves of their accents. Many of them even changed their names. They wanted to be Americans, because being anything else was frowned upon. Now, it's the complete opposite. It's frowned upon to suggest that people should be proud of America and share in its culture. We are expected to respect, and many cases revere, other cultures more than our own.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure what you mean. What is "American culture?"

Will you please give an example of other cultures to revere and who is expecting it of us? All I've heard from that department is advice to not assume America is best in everything.

Plus, why do you believe that being anything but American was frowned upon in the past? What are we talking here? 17th & 18th Century? 20th Century? Not everyone's ancestors came even in the same 100 year span – there's a difference I believe, and 'many' isn't descriptive enough.

Speaking of overcompensating, remind me how we overcompensated for the near annihilation of most Native American cultures.

 

[bigdaddybruce44]

I'm sorry, but I cannot have serious conversations with someone who doesn't know their history. You cannot ask a question like, "Why do you believe that being anything but American was frowned upon in the past?" and honestly expect to be taken seriously...

Irish need not apply...
Italians need not apply...
Germans having to change their names in the early to mid 20th century...

Really, dude? Really? Wow...

 

[ID2006]

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I'm sorry, but I cannot have serious conversations with someone who doesn't know their history. You cannot ask a question like, "Why do you believe that being anything but American was frowned upon in the past?" and honestly expect to be taken seriously...

Irish need not apply...
Italians need not apply...
Germans having to change their names in the early to mid 20th century...

Really, dude? Really? Wow...[/QUOTE]


I'd still like a reply to the rest of my post. I do know some history, and was hoping you'd realize that your claim about the past and present acceptance being "complete opposite" is quite askew. First of all, I still see numerous instances of pro-America exposition. What I don't see is a parade of support for "anything but America." Who is saying we should superimpose other cultures? Is there a movement for America to become more like Italy or China? Your response implies that you believe Americans are being discriminated against for being American, rather than others for not being American.

Also, even if I didn't know some history of the United States' ethnocentric culture, I'd still be incredulous about your reaction. Are you really that shocked when you find someone who doesn't know America's history, given the state of our education system?

 

[chiwii]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']As opposed to what, catering to the current generation of immigrants coming here? They are coming into a land that is not their own native country. Why shouldn't they assimilate to our way of life as opposed to everyone else bending over backwards to make life tolerable here for them? I was born here, I speak English. If you don't, then I guess we have no way of communicating.

Maybe it's considered 'ignorant', but it's a view that many people(and not just 'omg racists') share. It's just that other people are too pansy ass to say it.[/QUOTE]

This is getting way off topic, but since it's been brought up...

If you encounter someone that is speaking their native language, how do you know that they aren't in the process of learning English? Or, maybe they are fluent in English, but choose to speak in their native language because they're more comfortable in that language? Maybe they just want to talk about you without you understanding them?

You'll be happy to know that study after study shows by the third generation, native language skills are normally lost. The grand-children of immigrants usually consider English to be their primary, if not only, language.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='SpazX']Oh god the race card - for 's sake I wish they would at least learn how to spell "reparation." It's derived from repair, why the hell would it have an "e" in there? Read a ing book. I can only guess that whoever made that card would be just as likely to lead a "learn our language" bitch-fest as well. I hope it made them feel better about themselves and their place in the universe. And I really hope it wasn't you Pliskin.

Also - interesting article, Msut.[/QUOTE]

No not me and I think you understand why I posted it. Nice catch though .

For the thread....the zimmerman thing is weird at best. The what I have heard it is $135 k that was donated at that point for a legal fund that is and was held in trust, that is the problem. The DA wanted one million bond and it was settled at what $150k? How much would that have changed at all? 135k isn't a whole lot of money also are they trying to take his legal defense money that people donated for that? Seriously wth? That makes no sense at all. Except back to the lynching.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']He probably also agrees with Al Sharpton that the Republican Party is waging a campaign to eliminate black people...[/QUOTE]
For someone that pitched a little hissy fit about others being ignorant of history, you sure don't know as much about it as you think. Or maybe you can explain how centuries of oppression were somehow "made right" with the Civil Rights Act and a half-black president.

Oh and feel free to source your bullshit.

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']As opposed to what, catering to the current generation of immigrants coming here? They are coming into a land that is not their own native country. Why shouldn't they assimilate to our way of life as opposed to everyone else bending over backwards to make life tolerable here for them? I was born here, I speak English. If you don't, then I guess we have no way of communicating.[/QUOTE]
How the hell is everyone bending over backwards? What makes you think you're so special that they'd want to communicate with you to begin with? And if you really wanted to communicate, you could always learn another language yourself.

Maybe it's considered 'ignorant', but it's a view that many people(and not just 'omg racists') share. It's just that other people are too pansy ass to say it.

There's lots of overlap between racist and xenophobic. The fact that you think it should be socially acceptable again to be both openly says more about you than those "pansy asses."

Just because a view is commonly held, it doesn't mean that it isn't ignorant or should be acceptable.

Did you bother to learn about white flight and redlining yet?

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Definitely not ignorant, in my opinion. I've always been of the opinion that if someone comes here and wants to stay home with their family and have minimal contact with the public, it's their business whether or not their learn English. You want to drive a car, conduct business, etc., though, you should no choice but to learn the language of the land.

Unfortunately, this country has a horrible reputation of completely overcompensating for past sins. When many of our ancestors came here, they didn't just learn English, they did their best to rid themselves of their accents. Many of them even changed their names. They wanted to be Americans, because being anything else was frowned upon. Now, it's the complete opposite. It's frowned upon to suggest that people should be proud of America and share in its culture. We are expected to respect, and many cases revere, other cultures more than our own.[/QUOTE]
Overcompensating how?

How the hell are we expected to respect and revere other cultures more than "American" culture as if American isn't some mongrel culture of it's own?

The reason why so many people changed their names is not just because they wanted to be "American," but because they were facing massive levels of discrimination and racism. How you manage to address that in your next yet completely gloss over it in this one boggles my mind.

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I'm sorry, but I cannot have serious conversations with someone who doesn't know their history. You cannot ask a question like, "Why do you believe that being anything but American was frowned upon in the past?" and honestly expect to be taken seriously...

Irish need not apply...
Italians need not apply...
Germans having to change their names in the early to mid 20th century...

Really, dude? Really? Wow...[/QUOTE]
Are you arguing with yourself?

[quote name='Pliskin101']No not me and I think you understand why I posted it. Nice catch though .

For the thread....the zimmerman thing is weird at best. The what I have heard it is $135 k that was donated at that point for a legal fund that is and was held in trust, that is the problem. The DA wanted one million bond and it was settled at what $150k? How much would that have changed at all? 135k isn't a whole lot of money also are they trying to take his legal defense money that people donated for that? Seriously wth? That makes no sense at all. Except back to the lynching.[/QUOTE]
Cite your source and nothing was "settled" at $150k. That was the decision by the judge considering the defense was claiming poverty and that Zimmerman wasn't a flight risk. Having $153k in your personal paypal account and 2 passports while conspiring with your wife to hide the money, concealing the extra passport, and talking about moving to another country on your website to solicit donations all before the bond hearing even started are all reasons, as well as many others, is why bond was revoked. There was never a trust and even the lawyers lied to the court. The $153k was the amount at the time of the conspiracy. Two days after the bond hearing, it was revealed that donations totaled up to $204k. Get your ing facts straight or are they not important when defending someone that killed an unarmed 17 year old walking home from the store.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']For someone that pitched a little hissy fit about others being ignorant of history, you sure don't know as much about it as you think. Or maybe you can explain how centuries of oppression were somehow "made right" with the Civil Rights Act and a half-black president.

Oh and feel free to source your bullshit.
[/QUOTE]

I think dohdough means "made wright?"

Here you go DD...

What's the matter dohdough that lynching of Zimmerman not happening fast enough for you? And/Or those uncivil rights activists not getting rid of whitey fast enough for ya?

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='dohdough']
How the hell is everyone bending over backwards? What makes you think you're so special that they'd want to communicate with you to begin with? And if you really wanted to communicate, you could always learn another language yourself. [/quote]
Yeah. Like that's gonna happen. I tried learning German in school, but only because I was forced to take so many credits in order to graduate. Otherwise I would've likely just stuck with the basic subjects to squeak by.

There's lots of overlap between racist and xenophobic. The fact that you think it should be socially acceptable again to be both openly says more about you than those "pansy asses."

Just because a view is commonly held, it doesn't mean that it isn't ignorant or should be acceptable.

Did you bother to learn about white flight and redlining yet?

Even though I wasn't replying to you, I notice you once again had to butt your two cents in. Good going with the labeling, even though it doesn't matter one iota to me what some random person on the internet thinks of me. But you keep up the 'good' fight, Brother Al & Jesse.

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='chiwii']This is getting way off topic, but since it's been brought up...

If you encounter someone that is speaking their native language, how do you know that they aren't in the process of learning English?[/quote]
I say more power to them as long as they plan on integrating it into their everyday life here in their new country.

Or, maybe they are fluent in English, but choose to speak in their native language because they're more comfortable in that language? Maybe they just want to talk about you without you understanding them?

That's fine with me. Let em talk. It's one of their rights now that they're in the U.S.

You'll be happy to know that study after study shows by the third generation, native language skills are normally lost. The grand-children of immigrants usually consider English to be their primary, if not only, language.

Funniest thing I had ever run across was when I dated a Hispanic woman in the early 2000's. She knew not one word of Spanish and was born here. Yet her own brother was here illegally in the country and spoke ZERO English. Such a divide within the same generation.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']I think dohdough means "made wright?"
[/QUOTE]
Cite your source for where Wright advocates for the extermination of whites.

Here you go DD...

If people were born poor, I guess they're pulling the "poor" card if we acknowledge the difficulties they have from not having a lot of money. Or maybe you can explain how using the race card somehow makes any argument related to race invalid.

What's the matter dohdough that lynching of Zimmerman not happening fast enough for you? And/Or those uncivil rights activists not getting rid of whitey fast enough for ya?

Show me proof of where I even came close to advocating for Zimmerman to be executed or that white people should be exterminated.

You can do this after you cite your sources for your false claims where Zimmerman had no clue about how much money he was getting and that he didn't have any idea about his second passport.

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Yeah. Like that's gonna happen. I tried learning German in school, but only because I was forced to take so many credits in order to graduate. Otherwise I would've likely just stuck with the basic subjects to squeak by.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's nice...so you didn't really learn anything. No surprise there, but what about your assertion that "we're bending over backwards" to make life "tolerable."

Even though I wasn't replying to you, I notice you once again had to butt your two cents in. Good going with the labeling, even though it doesn't matter one iota to me what some random person on the internet thinks of me. But you keep up the 'good' fight, Brother Al & Jesse.

LOLZ? You stick your nose into this thread all the time without reading or understanding anything that's going on. Or maybe you could add some substance for once and completely refute everything that you think Sharpton and Jackson stand for.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']
You can do this after you cite your sources for your false claims where Zimmerman had no clue about how much money he was getting and that he didn't have any idea about his second passport.
[/QUOTE]

Did I say zimmerman had no clue about how much money he he was getting? Also where did I mention anything about his passport?

Wat da matta DD somebody wake up on the wrong side of whitey land this morning?

Am I wearing a red shirt? Are you wearing a red shirt?

What time is it?

Do you have cable tv?

What is your record for the most questions asked?

What is your record for the most questions answered with a question?

Why are turtles so slow?

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='dohdough']Yeah, that's nice...so you didn't really learn anything. No surprise there, but what about your assertion that "we're bending over backwards" to make life "tolerable."[/quote]
I only took the German class because I was told it was a 'gimme' class. It pretty much was, since the teacher would put the answers from the prior night's homework up on the board before class began. All you had to do was copy them down to a spare piece of scrap paper and you got a 100% for that day's lessons. But had I known the U.S. would see such an influx of Spanish speaking people, I would've taken the Spanish classes like a good chunk of my classmates did.

As for bending over backwards for the non English speakers, I meant how everything is bilingual or worse and there are options for Spanish customer service reps for American companies. Sorry. But if you're here and want to be taken care of, you should have to learn to speak, read and USE the language most of us do. That being English. The extra money being spent on printing up packaging with extra languages or hiring bilingual CSR's could better be spent on higher wages for all employees of those companies catering to the non English speaking portion of our population.

LOLZ? You stick your nose into this thread all the time without reading or understanding anything that's going on. Or maybe you could add some substance for once and completely refute everything that you think Sharpton and Jackson stand for.

I could say the same for you really. Just going by the responses I see from you in here whenever I 'stick my nose into the thread', all I see is a caucasian hating person who feels that everyone is guilty until proven innocent or a racist or whatever other term you're using that day. It's really quite funny to read between the lines of your page and a half long retorts to every reply you feel deserves one.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']Did I say zimmerman had no clue about how much money he he was getting? Also where did I mention anything about his passport?[/QUOTE]
Unless you're disagreeing with the facts, that's pretty much the only stance left to take. Prove me wrong.

Wat da matta DD somebody wake up on the wrong side of whitey land this morning?

Am I wearing a red shirt? Are you wearing a red shirt?

What time is it?

Do you have cable tv?

What is your record for the most questions asked?

What is your record for the most questions answered with a question?

Why are turtles so slow?

It's nice to know that you prefer to chuck and jive rather than addressing my points.

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I only took the German class because I was told it was a 'gimme' class. It pretty much was, since the teacher would put the answers from the prior night's homework up on the board before class began. All you had to do was copy them down to a spare piece of scrap paper and you got a 100% for that day's lessons. But had I known the U.S. would see such an influx of Spanish speaking people, I would've taken the Spanish classes like a good chunk of my classmates did.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha...wut? Unless you went to school more than 20 years ago, everyone knows that you should be learning Spanish or Chinese.

But good for you that you took the easy road.

As for bending over backwards for the non English speakers, I meant how everything is bilingual or worse and there are options for Spanish customer service reps for American companies. Sorry. But if you're here and want to be taken care of, you should have to learn to speak, read and USE the language most of us do. That being English. The extra money being spent on printing up packaging with extra languages or hiring bilingual CSR's could better be spent on higher wages for all employees of those companies catering to the non English speaking portion of our population.

Companies don't have foreign language reps because they're required to have them; they do it because they want more business. If a business can make more money by expanding their consumer base, they're going to do so. Catering to customers is what businesses do. Just because you don't like who they cater to doesn't make it invalid or a poor choice. And if you think that money saved is usually given to the lowest workers in a company, I have a bridge to sell you.

Like another poster said, it takes time to be proficient in a language and it's not like ESL classes are free or widespread enough to make it easier.

I could say the same for you really. Just going by the responses I see from you in here whenever I 'stick my nose into the thread', all I see is a caucasian hating person who feels that everyone is guilty until proven innocent or a racist or whatever other term you're using that day. It's really quite funny to read between the lines of your page and a half long retorts to every reply you feel deserves one.

Have a problem with detailed posts and explanations? The only reason why it seems that way to you is because you prefer to focus on my attacks on racist attitudes rather than the racist attitudes themselves, which you don't deem racist because you agree with them. And since you agree with them, that would make you racist by extension. Maybe if you addressed and spoke out against racism in this thread, I'd have a different opinion of you. OH WELL.

You learn about white flight and redlining yet?

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']Unless you're disagreeing with the facts, that's pretty much the only stance left to take. Prove me wrong.

It's nice to know that you prefer to chuck and jive rather than addressing my points.
[/QUOTE]

You realize that you are confusing me with you right? You posted the stuff about the passport and I said nothing further about the subject after my initial post which didn't say that....only you did. You are asking yourself to cite YOUR own source.... WHY? Because I did not say it, you did MORON.

Then you continue to have a conversation with yourself as quoted above.

You just keep getting stranger. I look forward to you citing your sources to yourself as requested by you and then replying to yourself and so on and so on and so on.....LMAO.

You are so nuts and full of IT you are talking to yourself and running yourself in circles. To ing funny!!

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']You realize that you are confusing me with you right? You posted the stuff about about the passport and I said nothing further about the subject after my initial post which didn't say that....only you did. You are asking yourself to cite YOUR own source.... WHY? Because I did not say it, you did MORON.[/QUOTE]
You're the one claiming the preponderance of ignorance on Zimmerman's part, not me. Implying that it's "weird at best" while saying that the system is out for his money when bail doesn't ing work like that. Your failure to see the connection and your failure to have even a rudimentary understanding of how bail works is your own failing and not confusion on my part. Saying that it was in a trust is like absolving him of any knowledge and/or control of the money when that clearly wasn't the case. Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because your sources are ed.

Then you continue to have a conversation with yourself as quoted above.

You just keep getting stranger. I look forward to you citing your sources to yourself as requested by you and then replying to yourself and so on and so on and so on.....LMAO.

You are so nuts and full of IT you are talking to yourself and running yourself in circles. To ing funny!!

I've made pages of points and you've made pages of posts recycling the same insults. You've already established that you think I'm a Bad Person, so get on with the relevant discussion of the topic and refute my arguments already. You bitched for weeks about the lack of nuanced arguments and still haven't made one ing substantive post.

Hell, the only thing you do on CAG is troll the vs. forum and delete all your posts. At least I can give IATCG some props for offering great advice on videogame related stuff and being a contributing member of CAG despite some horrible views he has.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']You're the one claiming the preponderance of ignorance on Zimmerman's part, not me. Implying that it's "weird at best" while saying that the system is out for his money when bail doesn't ing work like that. Your failure to see the connection and your failure to have even a rudimentary understanding of how bail works is your own failing and not confusion on my part. Saying that it was in a trust is like absolving him of any knowledge and/or control of the money when that clearly wasn't the case. Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because your sources are ed.
[/QUOTE]

Where are your sources that you asked yourself for? You know for the things you mentioned not me...the passport you talked about, that you said zimmerman didn't have a clue about the money he would be getting? Not that I really care but you asked yourself remember?

My sources for my ONE comment..."135 k" was ABC CBS NBC CNN FOX AND MSNBC as currently as today and all those quoted the prosecutor as giving that number as the amount at the time of the bond hearing. But yeah I agree sources these days are nothing as they all mess it up and care more about ratings and not gettings things right. Remember I said "I heard" I didn't say it was gods truth...did I?

I'll just ignore your idiotic statement on a rudimentary understanding of bail as it is just that....idiotic. Well actually your entire post is... as USUAL.

Bottomline IMO it is a lynch mob and has been since the onset with a made up RACE / Racist theme playing the main part in all the bullshit that same lynch mob is a part of this as well. Yep I said it before and I am saying it again.

Just another road bump for zimmerman on his way to freedom that is if the racist lynch mob doesn't GET him first or after he is set free.

edit: as far as your pages of golden posts and nobody else but you ever says anything that matters well that is in your head. The way I see it people including me see you posting the same crap day after day that is just racist and nuts while you see it as refereshing, golden and new. LMAO

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='dohdough']Hahaha...wut? Unless you went to school more than 20 years ago, everyone knows that you should be learning Spanish or Chinese.

But good for you that you took the easy road.[/quote]
Actually I did go to school almost 20 years ago(graduated 1993). Back then there was either not a huge influx of Spanish speakers or the media didn't pay that much attention to it. Besides which, I'm perfectly fine being a single language speaker.

And if you think that money saved is usually given to the lowest workers in a company, I have a bridge to sell you.

Believe me, I know that all too well just from seeing what the companies around here do to their employees regularly.

Like another poster said, it takes time to be proficient in a language and it's not like ESL classes are free or widespread enough to make it easier.

That's the thing though. To me, they shouldn't be free. Those wanting to learn a second language should have to pay for the classes and not expect tax dollars to fund them, as is happening here in the local school districts where special teachers are having to be hired to teach the ESL classes.#

Have a problem with detailed posts and explanations? The only reason why it seems that way to you is because you prefer to focus on my attacks on racist attitudes rather than the racist attitudes themselves, which you don't deem racist because you agree with them. And since you agree with them, that would make you racist by extension.

Can I call em or can I call em? I figured you'd label me an 'omg racist' and I was right. Damn. I should become a fortune teller. I could make a mint.

Maybe if you addressed and spoke out against racism in this thread, I'd have a different opinion of you. OH WELL.

Yeah. Because wanting all immigrants coming here for a better life to assimilate to our culture and speak the language most of us speak is so wrong. Our ancestors had to assimilate in order to fit in. What is so wrong with expecting those coming here legally(or illegally, though I'd rather those folks get sent back and come back through the proper channels) to want to actually fit in? I'm not saying they should forgo speaking their native tongue completely, but they should want to be able to understand and communicate with everyone around them. If it means they(the outsiders) have to learn a new language to do so, then is that really so bad?

You learn about white flight and redlining yet?

Nope. I plan on staying ignorant, like you think I am.

 

[panzerfaust]

Ehh I don't really mind the language issue in this country. Everyone understands that English is the language of the world, and I don't think any immigrants come here not understanding how important that is. Practically though, you can't just pick up a language as an adult very easily, and what I usually see is kids speaking for their parents which I think is wonderful.

Any effort by the U.S. to encourage better lives for the people who've come here is fine by me. Although our education system is severely underfunded and overcrowded right now, and it pretty much sucks for everyone who can't afford private schooling.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']Where are your sources that you asked yourself for? You know for the things you mentioned not me...the passport you talked about, that you said zimmerman didn't have a clue about the money he would be getting? Not that I really care but you asked yourself remember?[/quote]
You're the one that claimed that revoking bail was "weird" and that the money was put in a trust. Both are completely false. The facts I mentioned were to refute your claims. You didn't address them so does that mean I should take that as capitulation to my points or was the truth too tough for you that you needed to shift the goalposts back to insulting me.

My sources for my ONE comment..."135 k" was ABC CBS NBC CNN FOX AND MSNBC as currently as today and all those quoted the prosecutor as giving that number as the amount at the time of the bond hearing. But yeah I agree sources these days are nothing as they all mess it up and care more about ratings and not gettings things right. Remember I said "I heard" I didn't say it was gods truth...did I?

If you paid attention, you'd have read that it was $135k in his personal bank account that was mostly from donations to his site. Even IF the prosecution managed to get a $1 million bond, it wouldn't have been difficult to pay it because only 10% is required to post bail, which we now is well within his ability to pay.

I'll just ignore your idiotic statement on a rudimentary understanding of bail as it is just that....idiotic. Well actually your entire post is... as USUAL.

Of course you're going to ignore it because then you'd actually have to learn something and realize how stupid it is of you to characterize bail as "taking his money" when he's getting almost all of it back as long as he merely shows up to court, to which he would later use to pay his lawyers.

Bottomline IMO it is a lynch mob and has been since the onset with a made up RACE / Racist theme playing the main part in all the bullshit that same lynch mob is a part of this as well. Yep I said it before and I am saying it again.

What lynch mob? You mean the vast majority of people calling for his arrest and prosecution? And how the is it racist?

Just another road bump for zimmerman on his way to freedom that is if the racist lynch mob doesn't GET him first or after he is set free.

Yeah, crying poverty at a bond hearing while withholding information about a passport after conspiring with your wife to conceal funds and hiding said passport is the fault of the Lynch Mob. It's certainly not something that Zimmerman did to himself.

This is especially funny because you initially made posts on this thread saying that Zimmerman is guilty and needs to be punished without even throwing in the racial aspect of it.

edit: as far as your pages of golden posts and nobody else but you ever says anything that matters well that is in your head. The way I see it people including me see you posting the same crap day after day that is just racist and nuts while you see it as refereshing, golden and new. LMAO

What is racist about it and what is nuts? I've asked this countless times. Put up or shut the up about it.

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Actually I did go to school almost 20 years ago(graduated 1993). Back then there was either not a huge influx of Spanish speakers or the media didn't pay that much attention to it. Besides which, I'm perfectly fine being a single language speaker.[/QUOTE]
You graduated college or high school in 93? Because it still would've been Spanish or Chinese. Pinning it all on the media is a bit devoid of personal responsibility, don't you think?

Believe me, I know that all too well just from seeing what the companies around here do to their employees regularly.

If you know all too well how abusive companies are, then you realize how unrealistic your suggestion is to reallocate resources used on multi-lingual reps to current English-only reps.

That's the thing though. To me, they shouldn't be free. Those wanting to learn a second language should have to pay for the classes and not expect tax dollars to fund them, as is happening here in the local school districts where special teachers are having to be hired to teach the ESL classes.#

Those immigrants pay taxes too and if you're going to insist that they learn English, you're going to have to provide a system for it. How does it make any kind of sense that you're going to institute a one-language policy, yet not provide any accessible resources to that end? It's like outlawing abortions and not providing WIC-like services, counseling, or a myriad of other social services?

Can I call em or can I call em? I figured you'd label me an 'omg racist' and I was right. Damn. I should become a fortune teller. I could make a mint.

You came out in favor of racial profiling. That's a racist stance and policy. I've called you racist as countless times and it doesn't take a genius or fortune teller to tell you that I'm probably going to do so again because you keep saying racist shit.

But let's shift gears for a second and how about you telling me what your requirements are for calling someone racist.

Yeah. Because wanting all immigrants coming here for a better life to assimilate to our culture and speak the language most of us speak is so wrong. Our ancestors had to assimilate in order to fit in. What is so wrong with expecting those coming here legally(or illegally, though I'd rather those folks get sent back and come back through the proper channels) to want to actually fit in? I'm not saying they should forgo speaking their native tongue completely, but they should want to be able to understand and communicate with everyone around them. If it means they(the outsiders) have to learn a new language to do so, then is that really so bad?

Whose ancestors are you talking about and how far back do you want to go? "Fitting in" is putting it mildly when it was more like rampant racism and discrimination were much more commonly accepted, unlike how "PC" everything is today. If you think it's so easy, why don't you go try to learn a language and be proficient with it.

And maybe you can provide some realistic examples where these recently arrived immigrants will learn English when they work tough jobs with long hours at low pay with little to no substantive interactions with English speakers.

Nope. I plan on staying ignorant, like you think I am.

I've demonstrated several times how ignorant you are on things you've discussed on this thread and you've yet to demonstrate how you've ceased to be ignorant on any one of them.

You brought up ghettos and I provided two things that account for the main reasons as to why they exist like in the way they do today, yet you can't ass yourself to learn more about your opinions you consider not racist.

 

[Pliskin101]

[quote name='dohdough']
If you paid attention, you'd have read that it was $135k in his personal bank account that was mostly from donations to his site. Even IF the prosecution managed to get a $1 million bond, it wouldn't have been difficult to pay it because only 10% is required to post bail, which we now is well within his ability to pay.
[/QUOTE]

This caught my eye the rest well maybe I will read it another time probably not as I can bet it is the same old shit and I don't really care to waste MORE of my time....

Anyway "Mr. Expert and nobody knows nuttin cept me" you do realize that 10% is a fee and is NOT refunded... right? So that hypothetical 135k (at the time) that is being claimed as in a trust that was donated for fighting his case and not available to the client even if it was and a million dollar bail was set and zimmerman got a bondsman and paid the ten percent then what is left for the so claimed legal defense fund then? 35k? (at that time). Going back to what I said so the difference in the bond is going to be what now? The million dollars is still outrageous now but was more so then. But he may not get bond set this time. But we will see when the facts come out and the court hears and decides it after hearing both sides. But if he and his wife did CONSPIRE to lie to the court about money they ACTUALLY had or has access to and HIDE a passport and DID actually discuss leaving the country against bail terms after charges and after being bailed then sure he may not get bailed this time.

Are you okay with all the brothers out there that are so unfairly treated in the justice system getting bail set at outrageous amounts that can't be afforded or set to an amount that would surely take everything they have if they use a ten percent bail bondsman? They can afford it.
Remember innocent UNTIL proven guilty? Yeah okay whatever and we will make sure you are broke before the process even truly gets started and you can't get money to specifically defend yourself either.
. Yeah yeah we all know it is guilty until proven innocent. So I don't like the system I am so happy for you that you do. Remember that next time you bring up the justice system their pal. I will.

edit: Did Zimmerman pay the full 150k originally or did he pay the ten percent with collateral of his parents home or whatever? Anyway lets let people rot in jail and base bail on everything they have and will lose just to be free until a speedy (yeah right) trial or to hell with them they can rot until THEY PROVE THEY ARE INNICENT. That is really innocent until proven guilty. Oh and I can't remember but I think most people agreed and still do that 2nd degree was and is an OVER CHARGE nevermind that little thing in considering the bond amount. Do you think 2nd degree was the right charge dohdough? Then do you think that at a bond hearing with that charge would be fair?

 

[Spokker]

[quote name='panzerfaust']
Any effort by the U.S. to encourage better lives for the people who've come here is fine by me. Although our education system is severely underfunded and overcrowded right now, and it pretty much sucks for everyone who can't afford private schooling.[/QUOTE]Why do you think the education system is severely underfunded and overcrowded right now? Could the first sentence partially explain why?

Also, do you think it's okay that the public schooling taxpayers already pay for is broken, prompting people who already pay a lot of taxes to pay more to send their kids to private school?

As far as overcrowding and funding goes, the school districts full of disadvantaged youth already have high per pupil funding rates, while schools in lily-white states like Montana often do more with less funding. The "schools are underfunded" propaganda might be a consequence of school districts being union strongholds.

Finally, the average tuition for a non-secular private school is about $16,200. New York State, New Jersey and Washington D.C. spend about $14,100, $13,800 and $13,000 per pupil respectively. In what sense are public schools underfunded? LAUSD, one of the worst school districts in the nation, spends $30,000 per pupil. (This includes funding for capital, which is usually not included in per pupil funding figures). Taking out capital costs, LAUSD spends $10k per student. That $20k per student is probably going to the politically connected consultants and construction companies responsible for these monstrosities.

 

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

[quote name='dohdough']You graduated college or high school in 93? Because it still would've been Spanish or Chinese. Pinning it all on the media is a bit devoid of personal responsibility, don't you think?[/quote]
High school. But I guess back then I didn't notice the invasion of Spanish speakers or didn't care. Then again, the only time I really do care is when I say excuse me(in English) to some of em in a store n because they don't understand or speak English they don't move. I've also had my ankles and calves battered by the same folks when they just shove their way by me in a store due to a language barrier.

Those immigrants pay taxes too and if you're going to insist that they learn English, you're going to have to provide a system for it. How does it make any kind of sense that you're going to institute a one-language policy, yet not provide any accessible resources to that end? It's like outlawing abortions and not providing WIC-like services, counseling, or a myriad of other social services?

But they don't pay SCHOOL taxes, which is where many of the ESL programs are provided to their kids. Why should the rest of the school tax paying populace have to pay for a program that their kids don't need and end up paying for it for the kids of families who don't pay into that same system? It's ridiculous.

You came out in favor of racial profiling. That's a racist stance and policy.

I did? If you mean I advocated it when I said that George Zimmerman was in the right for following someone who he didn't recognize in his neighborhood when he followed Trayvon Martin, then you have a very broad brush to paint that as 'racial profiling'. But as I'm seeing more and more you like to use incendiary terminology and paint anyone who doesn't agree with you with labels.

I've called you racist as countless times and it doesn't take a genius or fortune teller to tell you that I'm probably going to do so again because you keep saying racist shit.

Yep. That's me. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get my white robe from the dry cleaners.

But let's shift gears for a second and how about you telling me what your requirements are for calling someone racist.

Someone who uses epithets and participates in activities which are used to intimidate minorities.

Whose ancestors are you talking about and how far back do you want to go?

I honestly don't know about my own ancestors. So I couldn't tell you how long my family has been in this country personally.

"Fitting in" is putting it mildly when it was more like rampant racism and discrimination were much more commonly accepted, unlike how "PC" everything is today. If you think it's so easy, why don't you go try to learn a language and be proficient with it.

Again I'd rather not learn a new language. That's why I'd prefer it if the newbies coming here did so since they're the new people and I'm not gonna change.

And maybe you can provide some realistic examples where these recently arrived immigrants will learn English when they work tough jobs with long hours at low pay with little to no substantive interactions with English speakers.

Maybe they could learn it from their kids, who are going to our schools and learning the language for free?

I've demonstrated several times how ignorant you are on things you've discussed on this thread and you've yet to demonstrate how you've ceased to be ignorant on any one of them.

Obviously you've never seen any of my other posts in the other section of CAG. I'm fairly stubborn and highly opinionated.

You brought up ghettos and I provided two things that account for the main reasons as to why they exist like in the way they do today, yet you can't ass yourself to learn more about your opinions you consider not racist.

If I remember correctly, you seemingly blamed whitey for keeping down the people in the ghettos and/or putting them there. One can better themselves and rise up out of those places. So there has to be some reason why a portion of the people in the ghettos stay there. And no, the answer is not 'whiteys keeping them there'.

 

[GBAstar]

If you wanted to go into medicine or law latin was pushed at my highschool if not german; and I graduated almost ten years after IATCG. Spanish may by the language spoken by the bulk of the immigrants but it certainly is not the language of science.

In the northeast french was the language you took if you wanted to speak with the locals but in Maine you might want to start learning Somali or Arabic

 

[dohdough]

[quote name='Pliskin101']This caught my eye the rest well maybe I will read it another time probably not as I can bet it is the same old shit and I don't really care to waste MORE of my time....[/quote]
LOLZ...if you didn't care, you wouldn't bother posting the drivel that you do.

Anyway "Mr. Expert and nobody knows nuttin cept me" you do realize that 10% is a fee and is NOT refunded... right? So that hypothetical 135k (at the time) that is being claimed as in a trust that was donated for fighting his case and not available to the client even if it was and a million dollar bail was set and zimmerman got a bondsman and paid the ten percent then what is left for the so claimed legal defense fund then? 35k? (at that time). Going back to what I said so the difference in the bond is going to be what now? The million dollars is still outrageous now but was more so then. But he may not get bond set this time. But we will see when the facts come out and the court hears and decides it after hearing both sides. But if he and his wife did CONSPIRE to lie to the court about money they ACTUALLY had or has access to and HIDE a passport and DID actually discuss leaving the country against bail terms after charges and after being bailed then sure he may not get bailed this time.

There are calls that were recorded between him and his wife before the bond hearing conspiring to put take money from their paypal account and put it into their credit union account as well as Zimmerman telling his wife to secure his passport in a safety deposit box. The facts are already out as some of the transcripts and the filing has already been released to the public.

Are you okay with all the brothers out there that are so unfairly treated in the justice system getting bail set at outrageous amounts that can't be afforded or set to an amount that would surely take everything they have if they use a ten percent bail bondsman? They can afford it.
Remember innocent UNTIL proven guilty? Yeah okay whatever and we will make sure you are broke before the process even truly gets started and you can't get money to specifically defend yourself either.

Zimmerman isn't a victim and this case is about him, not the system. But thanks for playing the race card and perpetuating that victim mentality that you constantly accuse me of. Does that make you a racist like the ones looking to lynch Zimmerman?

. Yeah yeah we all know it is guilty until proven innocent. So I don't like the system I am so happy for you that you do. Remember that next time you bring up the justice system their pal. I will.

Yeah...I totally have a hard-on for the justice system and I've demonstrated it in this thread. It's not like I've repeatedly said that black men have it far worse in the system.

 

[Spokker]

Public schools are funded out of bonds and property taxes, as far as I know. Since they are less likely to own property and taxes are regressive anyway, I doubt illegal immigrants and other mired in poverty are "paying" for their children's education (who are often citizens because they are born here). Coupled with medical programs for children, first 5 programs like healthy families, food stamp programs like WIC, public transportation subsidies, etc., it's probably a massive net benefit for the families. Keep in mind that students will also get two out of three meals per day at school.

Imagine being a parent, and the government is paying for two of your children's three meals. I wonder if this inability to feed your own children is something that weighs down on parents. A forward thinking person would have practiced family planning, which they are very much encouraged to do in progressive California.

 

[Spokker]

[quote name='GBAstar']Spanish may by the language spoken by the bulk of the immigrants but it certainly is not the language of science.[/QUOTE]
It absolutely is not. Mexico is certainly not a nation of inventors.

But don't let this reality fool you. They are by no means dumb. They are poor, but not dumb, on average anyway.

A good overview of the real Mexico by an expat with a discussion of intelligence: http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexFacts.shtml

Mexicans just don’t seem stupid. The teen-agers I see are as agile with computers as the American variety, stealing music and movies through proxy servers—burlando los servidores, spoofing the servers—chattering easily of quad cores and high-def video and using serious pirated software for sound and video editing. Vi and I talk to techs at Telmex about problems in configuring routers, and they know exactly what they are doing. I watch kids at the Centro de Artes Audiovisuales in Guadalajara expected to learn to use a digital SLR, fast, without the automatic functions. They do. It’s not for dummies, I promise. News shows on television, university radio at U. Guad, editorials at newspaper around the country, Mexican authors I have read—all are at American standards.

An overview of Mexican schools: http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexText.shtml

And another essay on intelligence. They are all good reads: http://www.fredoneverything.net/PhysBook.shtml

Remember, the dumb but ballsy, strong and hard-working Mexicans come here, and Mexico couldn't be happier about it. Now if only we could do something about that drug war.

And finally, this is just an amazing excerpt to me:

I have my doubts as to whether the big-city schools in America are greatly ahead of Guadalajara. Detroit recently had, and probably still has, a forty-seven per cent rate of functional illiteracy. Guadalajara doesn’t. If someone were inspired to compare the foregoing material with what students, if so they can be called, are learning in downtown schools in, say, Washington, DC, Chicago, and New York, I would be interested to see the results.

It will be said, correctly, that the cities of America are populated by extensive underclasses of blacks and Hispanics. True enough. However, they are still American kids (now or soon to be) who are learning nothing. Natalia [Note: His Mexican stepdaughter] would eat them alive. I have some familiarity with the suburban, mostly white schools of Arlington County, Virginia, just outside of Washington, because my daughters went to them. At least one of these schools served populations living in very pricey neighborhoods.

The girls came home with misspelled handouts from affirmative-action science teachers, and they learned about Harriet Tubman and oppression. Of the sciences they learned very little. I knew bright kids who had trouble with the multiplication tables. Yes, there are schools and schools, some better than others, and advanced-placement and such. I do not suggest that Mexico has a great school system, because it doesn’t. Yet Natalia, in her particular school, is better off than she would be in Washington, heaven knows, or the Virginia suburbs. Ain’t that something?

I can't recommend this guy enough for those who want to know the real Mexico.

 

[GBAstar]

lololololol

anyone see this?

Jay-Z And Kanye To Blame For Gwyneth Paltrow’s Use Of N-Word

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/hip-ho...wyneth-paltrow-inappropriate-n-235602587.html


From the article:

But Paltrow isn't the only person confused about the etiquette for using the N-word. There's one simple rule. If you are not African American there is no instance for using the word that is not going to be taken offensively. If doesn't matter if you're friends with the most prominent African Africans on the planet, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Oprah or President Obama. Don't. Use. The. Word.


Really? This reminds me of the NAS controversy. If you don't want white people to use the "N" word in any capacity don't title your songs (or albums for that matter) using the word.

Perhaps if the black community is so offended by the word they shouldn't use it so loosely.

I bet all the rappers would love the major decline in sales if white kids in the suburbs weren't allowed to buy any cd's or movies that used the word.

 

[Spokker]

Imagine if she had to present an award for $$$$as in Paris at the Grammy Awards. Instead of 'sperging out, you say the name of the damn song. Screw anyone who writes or talks about this song without saying the full and uncensored title. You are cowards of your own design. Of course, it goes without saying that the censorship in this post is automatically applied by the forums software.