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[quote name='nbballard']Ability to modify existing weapons with aftermarket scopes/barrels, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]

This is the only thing I really care about. Also would like to have an easier-to-understand elemental system and enemies that require different tactics (IE some are vulnerable to machine gun, others need to get chopped down by the shotty...)
 
[quote name='camoor']This is the only thing I really care about. Also would like to have an easier-to-understand elemental system and enemies that require different tactics (IE some are vulnerable to machine gun, others need to get chopped down by the shotty...)[/QUOTE]
Yea- the bosses in the first games were disappointing as hell. Their difficulty was completely based around how much you had leveled up before getting to them.
 
[quote name='nbballard']Yea- the bosses in the first games were disappointing as hell. Their difficulty was completely based around how much you had leveled up before getting to them.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't just the bosses that were like this. All damage was scaled according to the difference in levels. I really hope that they remove that in the sequel. I would prefer if my lev 69 character took normal damage from level 5 opponents (who would still have sucky weapons and do minor damage). Using levels to scale damage IMO only unbalances the game, making it either too easy or too hard (Bone Head anyone?).
 
[quote name='Teh Nitwit']It wasn't just the bosses that were like this. All damage was scaled according to the difference in levels. I really hope that they remove that in the sequel. I would prefer if my lev 69 character took normal damage from level 5 opponents (who would still have sucky weapons and do minor damage). Using levels to scale damage IMO only unbalances the game, making it either too easy or too hard (Bone Head anyone?).[/QUOTE]

Yeah and was it just me or were the boss drops generally disappointing as well? I can only think of a few boss drops that it was actually worth it to use...
 
Was the bone cutter the one with the nice semi automatic scoped shot? I used that one for a while. My brother's coop partner used Sledge's shotgun for most of the game.
 
Would like to have better Voip in sequel and more varied quests that did not fall into the categories of fetch or collect 90% of the time.
 
I liked the scaling damage and never had problems with any of the bosses (outside of Crawmerax). I do agree with the boss drops being sucky sometimes, though.
 
[quote name='Teh Nitwit'] Using levels to scale damage IMO only unbalances the game, making it either too easy or too hard (Bone Head anyone?).[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I almost quit playing this game early on when I encountered Bone Head because I was only a Level 8 or so and he was impossible to defeat no matter what I did. I quickly figured out that leveling up first made the game a whole heck of a lot easier.

Can't wait for Borderlands 2...
 
Supposedly first Borderlands 2 details from Game Informer.

- Co-op will probably be 4 players
- Vehicles will have variety
- One vehicle: Bandit Technical
- One vehicle will have four seats
- Eridium – enhance weapons
- Eridium is a form of currency
- Salvador: Gunzerker, can dual-wield with any weapon
- Vault Hunters from the first game will be NPCs
- Bandits can access their own type of weaponry
- Unique styling, color, personality for each manufacturer
- Custom decals/enhancements for weapons
- More responsive enemies, more varied, better AI, improvement so that they interact with each other better
- NPCs will also be improved, will move around more
- Interacting dialogue for players
- Skill tree will be similar to the first game (3 branch system)
- Claptrap seems to be returning
- Apparently there won’t be any old weapons
- Story missions won’t be static
- Some pickups will provide temporary buffs
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http://gamingeverything.com/?p=7216
 
It kind of bothers me that my Soldier will supposedly be an NPC in the second game, but then again I'm kind of okay with it as long as they don't kill him off. Also, "Gunzerker"? I like the sound of that, it makes me think that we may get some blended Vault Hunters. What would the others be, though?
 
OK, just finished my first game and got a few questions...

What's the benefit of selecting that Second runthrough? I've just completed the main game once, why run it again?

On my first runthrough character I'm playing whichever dlc it is that centers on T-Bone Junction. Why is it that every time I end my current game I end up back in T-Bone Junction? I left off in the prison, but when I loaded my game again I'm suddenly back in T-Bone.

And I thought all the first runthrough claptrap rescues gave you backpack slots as a reward? The prison one gave me a grenade mod, and I ended up switching off the game before it saved. Is that not a slot upgrade reward for that mission??

And I'm currently at level 40. When does the decent gear start dropping? I'm using a level 18-20ish SMG and rifle because nothing at all has dropped with better stats in 20 levels. These two are worth about 10k each, with 100k gear dropping that's complete crap compared to these two items.
 
The enemy levels are higher on the second playthrough so they drop better gear. You can go back and forth from the 1st and 2nd playthrough as much as you want.

Whenever you reload your game, you start at one of the big respawn points (one that you also teleport to/from), all the DLCs only have one of these, so in every DLC you start back at the beginning.

I can't quite remember if the DLC Claptraps are all the same, but I do remember that the drops are sometimes randomized so if you reload your game and do it again you have a chance of getting the backpack SDU.
 
[quote name='praxus07']OK, just finished my first game and got a few questions...

What's the benefit of selecting that Second runthrough? I've just completed the main game once, why run it again?

On my first runthrough character I'm playing whichever dlc it is that centers on T-Bone Junction. Why is it that every time I end my current game I end up back in T-Bone Junction? I left off in the prison, but when I loaded my game again I'm suddenly back in T-Bone.

And I thought all the first runthrough claptrap rescues gave you backpack slots as a reward? The prison one gave me a grenade mod, and I ended up switching off the game before it saved. Is that not a slot upgrade reward for that mission??

And I'm currently at level 40. When does the decent gear start dropping? I'm using a level 18-20ish SMG and rifle because nothing at all has dropped with better stats in 20 levels. These two are worth about 10k each, with 100k gear dropping that's complete crap compared to these two items.[/QUOTE]


Second playthrough will have tougher enemies and higher level loot.

That's the way all of the expansions work, you end up at the initial teleport location every time you exit the game and come back. It is a bit annoying.

I don't believe you get extra slots from the DLC claptraps. I think the maximum is somewhere around 40, maybe 42?

I'd say your best bet for better gear will be when you get to Crawmerax in the T-Bone Junction DLC. You can post up on the left crack where he can't get to you (check youtube so you know what I'm talking about) and you can just create a new character and play split screen and use the extra character to coax him into turning around so you can shoot his back until you get an Orion (sniper rifle that ricochets, once you have it you can ricochet the shots onto his back by shooting a pillar beside/behind him).

If you can't beat him, then your next best bet would be New Haven chest farming on your second playthrough. There are tons of videos out there explaining what to do, so just check youtube.
 
Did some more reading, and apparently 42 is max for guaranteed backpack slots. You can get more doing the claptrap rescues in the DLC's, but it's random wether you get the upgrade or a grenade mod. So I ran the claptrap rescue two more times, which was a major pain since you always spawn back at t-bone, and still have not gotten the backpack upgrade. Think I might just say the heck with it and not bother.
 
Picked up Borderlands about 2 weeks ago to tie me over before Resistance 3 and really like it a lot. Being late to the party none of my friends play it anyone and I know people say it's much more fun playing co-op. Anyone want to add me, feel free....PSN: Miami_13

Also is the DLC worth it? I'm quite tempted to get at least the General Knoxx for the level cap.
 
Yea I'm looking to finally beat this game from start to finish and I'd rather do it in Co-Op with 2-4 people preferably ones that have a mic. If anyone is up for it add me

PSN is MrRosales
 
Is it just me or is the Claptrap Revolution DLC collectible trophies a total PITA? Oil cans and Bobbleheads drop so infrequently that I have already spent a good 9 hours farming MINAC and maybe got half the requirement. The things one will do for 100% trophy list... need to move on and let it go I guess.
 
I got them by leaving my PS3 on over night during the boss battle. There's a safe place to hide, all the kamikazes blow up and have a chance at dropping stuff.
 
[quote name='MrRosales']Yea I'm looking to finally beat this game from start to finish and I'd rather do it in Co-Op with 2-4 people preferably ones that have a mic. If anyone is up for it add me

PSN is MrRosales[/QUOTE]

I'll add you. I've been wanting to finish the game also
 
[quote name='Foxx']Hey guys I'm thinking about getting this game + the DLC. You think its worth it for about $10?[/QUOTE]


This game was worth $60, day one.
 
[quote name='MrRosales']Just put your from CAG when and IF you do[/QUOTE]

Alright I'll add you right now.
 
Alright guys if you feel like playing together feel free to add my PSN: Fakehound. I'll be at the beginning of the game though so you might not exactly want to xD
 
[quote name='Foxx']Alright guys if you feel like playing together feel free to add my PSN: Fakehound. I'll be at the beginning of the game though so you might not exactly want to xD[/QUOTE]

I'll add you. My level is in the High 20s though
 
I just killed defeated GK. I think I made a mistake when I first came to T-Bone Junction by selecting my 2nd playthrough. So I am at level 58 trying to get to 61 and it is taking a long time. I am going to try to finish off all the quests for the 'completionist' trophy working my way to the crawmerax quest. If anyone wants to help kill the crawfish (which is damn near impossible for me to solo, even with splitscreen 2nd controller), feel free to add me (with a CAG message in the request) so I can finish off this DLC.

I might just have to leave my PS3 on for a few hours then on the MINAC battle just to get the however many oil cans and bobbleheads I need (I wish they would have a counter or something).
 
[quote name='nakanenui']I just killed defeated GK. I think I made a mistake when I first came to T-Bone Junction by selecting my 2nd playthrough. So I am at level 58 trying to get to 61 and it is taking a long time. I am going to try to finish off all the quests for the 'completionist' trophy working my way to the crawmerax quest. If anyone wants to help kill the crawfish (which is damn near impossible for me to solo, even with splitscreen 2nd controller), feel free to add me (with a CAG message in the request) so I can finish off this DLC.

I might just have to leave my PS3 on for a few hours then on the MINAC battle just to get the however many oil cans and bobbleheads I need (I wish they would have a counter or something).[/QUOTE]


One of the best places to level the
area before the vault in the main game
, just run through there multiple times with a shock weapon or anything if you have a Hunter and maxed out the Trespass (bypass enemy shields) skill. The big enemies are worth a ton of XP.


How to kill Crawmerax solo:

You need three weapons (Orion shock sniper, acid shotgun, fire SMG or combat rifile). Acid kills purple minions, fire kills green ones, and shock destroys the maggots. Once you hit the top of the elevator and you're facing Crawmerax, run directly to your left and wrap around the ledge until it meets the wall. Stand as far into the V shaped crack as you can and he can't get to you. He'll usually just roar and rear up over and over if you're standing. Kill any close minions with the appropriate weapon and use the sniper to take out one purple spot on Crawmerax at a time. You can take out his back by having the Orion bullets ricochet off the large pillar to the left of him. It might take a big of patience to find the right spot to shot at to get the bullets to hit.

Also, the minions give a lot of XP as well and they're easy to kill with the proper weapons and since they respawn, you might also want to level in the Crawmerax battle.
 
I got Borderlands and all the DLC when it was on sale on the PSN. I'm currently working on my first playthrough and on the DLC now. Already finished zombie, tried underdome, and now on General Knox.

I was thinking of getting this game on Xbox 360 to play with a friend who only has it on Xbox 360. Going to hope for a deal on Borderlands Game of the Year Edition for 360 like at Gamestop several months ago for $19.99. I'm still kicking myself for not getting such a cheap copy.
 
I borrowed this game from a friend a while ago, platinumed it with another friend during that time. Bought my own copy a few weeks ago for $15 (and then bought General Knoxx DLC last night for $10), and I'm so glad I did. I have two characters I'm working on solo right now, but that I'd love to use to play with someone. They are:

Level 54 soldier (working on General Knoxx DLC, only a few missions in)
Level 20 berserker

Hit me up on PSN if you're close in level and want someone to play with.
 
Out of curiosity, is it possible to hit level 50 without doing massive grinding in playthrough 1 (including the DLCs)? I'm currently level 42 and I've finished every mission in the main game, every mission from Zombie Island and am about halfway through General Knoxx (I think, I'm at the part where
you've just rescued Athena and she sends you to look for some code
). I still have the rest of General Knoxx and all of Robot Revolution to do, and I plan on doing all missions/sidequests. Think I can hit 50?
 
On a second playthrough at Level 69, my wife and I beat Crawmerax yesterday when either the game glitched or Crawmerax made a very dumb move. It fell down the canyon and got stuck. Unfortunately, our characters couldn't go down to where Crawmerax was for loot, but a Scorpio turret worked fine being dropped down there.

I can see how it would be fairly easy to kill Crawmerax in solo, though potentially tedious, by whittling away at it using a Siren with max Phasewalk duration and regen plus a big shield with very fast recharge.
 
[quote name='DOMINATOR912']Out of curiosity, is it possible to hit level 50 without doing massive grinding in playthrough 1 (including the DLCs)? I'm currently level 42 and I've finished every mission in the main game, every mission from Zombie Island and am about halfway through General Knoxx (I think, I'm at the part where
you've just rescued Athena and she sends you to look for some code
). I still have the rest of General Knoxx and all of Robot Revolution to do, and I plan on doing all missions/sidequests. Think I can hit 50?[/QUOTE]
Have you been doing the little challenges? Like "kill 100 people", etc? You might be able to hit it if you do all of those- otherwise you may need to do PT2 for a minute.
 
[quote name='DOMINATOR912']Out of curiosity, is it possible to hit level 50 without doing massive grinding in playthrough 1 (including the DLCs)? I'm currently level 42 and I've finished every mission in the main game, every mission from Zombie Island and am about halfway through General Knoxx (I think, I'm at the part where
you've just rescued Athena and she sends you to look for some code
). I still have the rest of General Knoxx and all of Robot Revolution to do, and I plan on doing all missions/sidequests. Think I can hit 50?[/QUOTE]

You have a good bit of stuff left, you can probably make it with little to no grinding assuming you do everything.
 
I got 5 more trophies to go and I'll have my first platinum trophy. I'm on level 46 trying to get to 50. Where's the best place to level up?
 
All right I'm not trying to be a thread crasher but I have Borderlands and I don't really like it. I have problems leveling up and missions seem to hard, am I doing something wrong? I got the game on sale. I love the Fallout games and maybe Im trying to play it to much like Fallout?
 
[quote name='Solid Scarecrow']All right I'm not trying to be a thread crasher but I have Borderlands and I don't really like it. I have problems leveling up and missions seem to hard, am I doing something wrong? I got the game on sale. I love the Fallout games and maybe Im trying to play it to much like Fallout?[/QUOTE]

Usually just because a new mission is available to you, it doesn't mean you're ready to do it. Check what the recommended level is for the mission. If it's more than 2 levels above your current level, you're gonna get spanked.
 
Borderlands is most akin to an MMO in terms of how it handles your level in relation to your current quest and the enemies that you're facing. If the quest is tough/impossible, the enemies are more than say 2-3 levels above you, and/or you are seeing skulls then you need to come back later or pray for skilled luck.

You can do things like crystal runs and/or Claptrap SDU runs if you are under-leveled but even then it'll be a costly war of attrition.
 
[quote name='Solid Scarecrow']All right I'm not trying to be a thread crasher but I have Borderlands and I don't really like it. I have problems leveling up and missions seem to hard, am I doing something wrong? I got the game on sale. I love the Fallout games and maybe Im trying to play it to much like Fallout?[/QUOTE]

Here's what I do. Select every available mission I can get, from people message boards, etc. Try to do all of them at once when you are in the same geographic area. If you see anything that is green pick it up even if you are not doing that mission. -It will be for another mission and it will save you the trip of running back and forth.
 
^On the "collect 50 of _____" missions, like the brains in the zombie DLC, or the fish, bottles, etc. They only start the counter AFTER the mission has been activated. So don't waste time on them unless you have them in your list.
 
i picked up the GOTY edition when it came out and played it for a few months. really enjoyed the game and played the 4th dlc a bit before i quit. should really go back and finish it
 
Finished up all missions in all DLCs (except killing Crawmerax, a couple of Circle of Duty rounds, and all the Underdome crap) and only got up to level 46 (maybe halfway to 47). Is there a good spot in playthrough 1 where I can grind out the last few levels for the platinum or do I pretty much have to start playthrough 2?
 
[quote name='DOMINATOR912']Finished up all missions in all DLCs (except killing Crawmerax, a couple of Circle of Duty rounds, and all the Underdome crap) and only got up to level 46 (maybe halfway to 47). Is there a good spot in playthrough 1 where I can grind out the last few levels for the platinum or do I pretty much have to start playthrough 2?[/QUOTE]


Definitely kill Crawmerax, him and his minions will give plenty of experience. I think I've posted the easy way to kill him solo once or twice in this thread. Just look back a few pages. The only thing is you need to find an Orion sniper rifle.

Circle of Duty can be pretty difficult if you do it alone, but when you walk in turn towards your right or left and you'll see pillars in the corner. They don't seem to have any collision with the character, so you can clip right through them, but they stop bullets. This is really useful when the jetpack guys come and you're doing it alone. Just remember you have to step out of them to fire because they will stop your bullets as well.

Underdome rounds give no experience and I don't believe they help weapon proficiencies either. Also, the larger challenges are enough to make you hate the game.

The best spot to get XP in the main game is probably the Eden Primatory run leading up to the vault. The larger aliens are worth 12,000 XP each. If you are a hunter, re-spec your skill tree to max out the trespass skill and you can roll through this in no time as they are all shields and little health. If you're any other class, use the best shock weapon you can get your hands on.
 
I hated the Moxxi DLC. Had to use the 2 controller, weaker character method.

I wasted hours trying to level in the Claptrap Revolution DLC on playthrough 2. Do not try grinding in this DLC. General Knoxx was way easier to grind xp. For instance, on playthrough 2 you can get in the vehicle (with the homing missiles) and go to the map with the huge bullet (Northernmost? map) and just kill the huge spider things from the safety of the freeway (stay out of their range) for like 13k xp per guy. They respawn after a short while so you can farm them easy enough. Also, you can kill Crawmerax minions for easy xp (youtube has some video on where to hide, safe spots, and which weapons work good). I was using a Siren character with max points in the xp skill (get +20% xp per kill). If you have a soldier he has a mod you can find that can give up to +25% xp (I only found a +24% for my non-main). If you do not mind split screen you can use your main as Player 1, your non-main as Player 2, and use their passive skills while killing things with your main. And when/if your non-main character dies, it is only money so not really a penalty.
 
From what I read, even using the ledge trick, you need to be at least 60-61 to kill Crawmerax solo. Is it possible to take him out using a level 46 soldier?

EDIT: Looked up the Orion sniper, and I've never seen anything even remotely close to that anywhere in the game. Seems like everything I need to kill Crawmerax is maybe 5-10 levels above where I'm at.
 
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[quote name='DOMINATOR912']From what I read, even using the ledge trick, you need to be at least 60-61 to kill Crawmerax solo. Is it possible to take him out using a level 46 soldier?

EDIT: Looked up the Orion sniper, and I've never seen anything even remotely close to that anywhere in the game. Seems like everything I need to kill Crawmerax is maybe 5-10 levels above where I'm at.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure but I thought Crawmerax scales 2 levels above whatever you currently are. So I don't know if it really gets any easier with high levels. You can use a second player in the other semi-safe spot to coax him to turn around to substitute for not having an Orion. It's just the Orion is needed for a true solo kill the easy way.

Pop a turret at the top of the elevator to buy you time to get to the safe spot. Use the shock on the turret to take care of the maggots. They are fast and can run into you which launches you off the cliff.
 
If anyone can help me kill Clawmerax(read kill clawmerax for me), I would let you have all the loot that you want. Please someone help me.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']I'm not sure but I thought Crawmerax scales 2 levels above whatever you currently are. So I don't know if it really gets any easier with high levels. You can use a second player in the other semi-safe spot to coax him to turn around to substitute for not having an Orion. It's just the Orion is needed for a true solo kill the easy way.

Pop a turret at the top of the elevator to buy you time to get to the safe spot. Use the shock on the turret to take care of the maggots. They are fast and can run into you which launches you off the cliff.[/QUOTE]

It scales 2 levels above you, but it has a minimum level of 61, same as his minions. Anywho, I said screw it and gave playthrough 2 a shot. XP there is really the way to go. Did all missions up until the point you meet Shep and got nearly a full level worth of xp. I figure at this rate I should be 50 by the time I get to New Haven.
 
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