Browns' wide receiver commits DUI manslaughter; receives 30 days, slap on wrist

Yeah, most of Vick's sentence came from lying to the Feds IIRC. Stallworth was honest about everything, paid the family (you can't raise the dead), and the guy he hit was jaywalking. If all involved parties are fine with the outcome, I see no reason to complain.
 
so if he's caught with another DUI i expect the judge will make the same exception to sentence limitations and exceed the maximum sentence to put him away for 25+ yrs? if so, i wouldn't have much of a problem with this
 
[quote name='Cracka']It also had to do with the fact that the guy ran out in front of his car nowhere near a cross-walk, it was an accident, he made a huge multi-million dollar settlement with the guy's family[/QUOTE]

fixed that for ya...

but come on guys, he did get THIRTY DAYS... that is no wrist slap.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']fixed that for ya...

but come on guys, he did get THIRTY DAYS... that is no wrist slap.[/QUOTE]

ppl go to jail for 30 days just for getting a 2nd dui.. yknow, without killing anyone
 
i always love how they word the crimes commited. its not a hate crime not its "ethnic intimidation" lol. so i guess they consider rape "involuntary sexual participation" just makes it sound so nice :). arson would be "unlawful disposal of flamable materials".
 
I was being sarcastic!... it's insane, the NFL isn't even going to suspend him and Vick got 2 years in jail, and might not be reinstated this year for the dog-fighting. it's crazy!
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080']he wasnt that much over the legal limit. Not that I condone it... but his BA wasn't all that high.[/QUOTE]

For a 200lb man, that's 7 beers in an hour- plenty.
 
Just a quick recap:

Vick: tortured dogs willingly and maliciously. Is fucked up in the head.

Other guy: Accidentally hit someone crossing the highway, at night. Was also blowing a bit over the legal limit.

One guy is clearly fucked up and deserves jail time, the other just fucked up.
 
Kill some dogs get 2 years in prison
Kill a human get 24 days in prison

Makes sense, America land of the greatest judicial system!
 
[quote name='Vince McMahon']Kill some dogs get 2 years in prison
Kill a human get 24 days in prison

Makes sense, America land of the greatest judicial system![/QUOTE]

Way to strip out any other details. Way to argue!
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Way to strip out any other details. Way to argue![/QUOTE]

At the end, it's the basic facts that stand out the most.

Stallworth ran over a man while drunk. He's only getting 30 days because the family didn't want to go through a trial. It's more than likely this is because they've just been compensated royally for their loss. Stallworth just bought himself out of jail.

Vick owned and operated an illegal dogfighting ring. They starved dogs until they were ravenous for blood and then made them fight to the death (or very close to it). Any dog that didn't perform was strangled and electrocuted.

All that being said, Stallworth got 30 days for running a dude over and Vick got 2 years because Vick couldn't pay off PETA or the dogs families.
 
[quote name='depascal22']At the end, it's the basic facts that stand out the most.

Stallworth ran over a man while drunk. He's only getting 30 days because the family didn't want to go through a trial. It's more than likely this is because they've just been compensated royally for their loss. Stallworth just bought himself out of jail.

Vick owned and operated an illegal dogfighting ring. They starved dogs until they were ravenous for blood and then made them fight to the death (or very close to it). Any dog that didn't perform was strangled and electrocuted.

All that being said, Stallworth got 30 days for running a dude over and Vick got 2 years because Vick couldn't pay off PETA or the dogs families.[/QUOTE]

That's not stripping the argument down, though. I agree with everything you said. In the end, it's still about the dollar bills and that's not going to change.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Just a quick recap:

Vick: tortured dogs willingly and maliciously. Is fucked up in the head.

Other guy: Accidentally hit someone crossing the highway, at night. Was also blowing a bit over the legal limit.

One guy is clearly fucked up and deserves jail time, the other just fucked up.[/QUOTE]
I know you're an alcoholic and are trying to sympathize with him, but there's really no excuse as to why he was behind the wheel.

Killing an animal is nothing compared to killing a human being.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']I know you're an former alcoholic and are trying to sympathize with him, but there's really no excuse as to why he was behind the wheel.

Killing a lot of animals on purpose (without regret) is much worse compared to killing one human being by mistake.[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for ya. ;)

And I'm not saying the guy was in the clear or that he received the proper punishment, just that the Vick situation is much, much worse. Honestly I'd prefer Vick go away for 5-10 years and a lifetime ban from NFL, where as this dude should get anywhere between 3-5 years.

Lets give another scenario; there's a punk kid in Miami who went around and skinned cats, leaving the carcasses out in the street for people to see. Is he supposed to get less or more time the guy that accidentally killed someone, who again, was doing something as extremely stupid as crossing the HIGHWAY, at NIGHT. Pretty sure that dude broke the law too.
 
DUI's leading to vehicular homicide should be considered murder in the second degree in my opinion. You are knowingly putting your life and the lives of others in imminent risk by getting behind the wheel in an intoxicated state. If that's not depraved indifference, I don't know what is.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']I can't even believe you're comparing the life of a human to the life of an animal.[/QUOTE]

I'm comparing several acts of malicious intent versus an accident.

People, animals, what's the difference?
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']I'm comparing several acts of malicious intent versus an accident.

People, animals, what's the difference?[/QUOTE]
he didn't accidentally get behind the wheel of a vehicle drunk -- an act which is illegal in order to prevent the very thing that happened, an 'accident' that harms others, in this case takes a life... it's no different than randomly shooting a gun blindfolded and killing a person: he chose, no accident, to do something stupid, dangerous, and illegal, and now a man is dead. i'm not sure what part of that you're failing to understand.
 
At least Commish Goodell set the right example in setting a indefinite suspension. Can't believe browns also payed this guy a $4 mil. roster bonus a day before the accident. He only had 150 yards last season in receiving.
 
[quote name='fazfznz']At least Commish Goodell set the right example in setting a indefinite suspension. Can't believe browns also payed this guy a $4 mil. roster bonus a day before the accident. He only had 150 yards last season in receiving.[/QUOTE]


My very thoughts!
 
Sorry to necro a thread fives days past dead, but I will pose a few questions and let this drop:

1) Did him being drunk have any factor on the situation? Proof?

2) If not, then what would the situation be if he was sober, going the limit, and the guy hit was just a dumb ass?

As for the whole Animals vs Humans debate. As far as I'm concerned we're less than or equal to them. Animals (as a species) aren't inherently evil creatures hell bent on ruining everything. Or to put it in another way. Animals die, the planet dies. We die, the planet lives a longer, happier life.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']They lack the awareness that we have.[/QUOTE]

Can animals do taxes? No. Can they hold office? No.

But just because they can't talk or drive, don't think for a second they aren't aware.

Animals know fear and pain and that makes them aware to the point there is no justifying torturing them as "just animals".

I think the most significant difference between people and other animals is that people are the only animals that are intentionally cruel.
 
[quote name='Sekhmet']Can animals do taxes?
I think the most significant difference between people and other animals is that people are the only animals that are intentionally cruel.[/QUOTE]


Those must me fat humans torturing those seals.
 
[quote name='Sekhmet']
I think the most significant difference between people and other animals is that people are the only animals that are intentionally cruel.[/QUOTE]


Must be fat humans torturing those seals. Real life isnt Disney, animals dont hang out and talk to each other. There is some truly savage stuff going on in the animal kingdom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei3eibB9e6A
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Sorry to necro a thread fives days past dead, but I will pose a few questions and let this drop:

1) Did him being drunk have any factor on the situation? Proof?

2) If not, then what would the situation be if he was sober, going the limit, and the guy hit was just a dumb ass?

As for the whole Animals vs Humans debate. As far as I'm concerned we're less than or equal to them. Animals (as a species) aren't inherently evil creatures hell bent on ruining everything. Or to put it in another way. Animals die, the planet dies. We die, the planet lives a longer, happier life.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever actually consumed alcohol and tried to do anything? Probably not. Now imagine your mother or father accidentally walked across a street, not in the crosswalk, and was "accidentally" hit and killed by a drunk driver. How would you feel? Would 30 days be enough for the drunk driver? Your comments show nothing more than you being a naive and ignorant human being. Go hug a tree and throw some paint on fur coats, because you obviously can't contribute anything to society.
 
[quote name='Sekhmet']Can animals do taxes? No. Can they hold office? No.

But just because they can't talk or drive, don't think for a second they aren't aware.

Animals know fear and pain and that makes them aware to the point there is no justifying torturing them as "just animals".

I think the most significant difference between people and other animals is that people are the only animals that are intentionally cruel.[/QUOTE]

I might have to dub this the highlight of my day. LMAO

Are you a PETA member?
 
Punishment is bit light. But as someone else said, as long as the judge, and especially the victims family, are ok with the sentence and money they got, who cares.

Driving Drunk is idiotic. But so is crossing a highway at night. So it's not like he was speeding and driving erratically and ran over someone on a side walk or in a cross walk or something.

He hit an idiot crossing a highway at night, stopped the car and called the police. It's still a terrible offense as he was drunk and killed someone, but there are a lot of mitigaating factors that make it less severe than other DUIs involving fatalities.

He may well have hit him if he was sober, just like people hit deer who jump out in front of them on highways. You're not expecting shit to jump out in front of you on highways, especially at night when you're tired.

There's no excuse for driving drunk EVER. But I'm not going to get up in arms over this light sentence as the family is fine for it and it was fairly "minor" as for as DUIs involving fatalities go.
 
I dont even understand how anyone can say, "uhh that guy an idiot for jay walking."

Unless I am misreading it and this guy was running in and out of traffic like a mad man it seems to be that Stallworth should have easily been able to move around him. How big was this highway? 2 lane? 4 Lane? 8 Lane? Was there a ton of other traffic? Does his headlights not work? If they do he should have been able to see him from ways away in a million dollar car.

[quote name='dopa345']DUI's leading to vehicular homicide should be considered murder in the second degree in my opinion. You are knowingly putting your life and the lives of others in imminent risk by getting behind the wheel in an intoxicated state. If that's not depraved indifference, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]

This I agree with 100% Stop to think about the thousands of people who have had their lives cut short due to one dumbass who cant figure out to phone a taxi. Drunk driving deaths are the single more preventable deaths in the world. There is no excuse what so ever...Stallworth murdered that guy by knowing getting behind the wheel. A guy that rich can easily phone someone to come get him...I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers. I wish he would have been killed instead.
 
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