Bum Fights - whaddya think?

Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )[/quote]

Oh, no one is telling me what to think or do (like that would matter) but I did count at least 2 or 3 people who wanted to kick my ass (nice tact) over my views of the homeless, but you certainly have no problem telling the homeless what they should or shouldn't do.

CTL
 
"Last time I checked a substance abuse problem didn't equate to an inability to consent to a binding contract for work"

First of substance abuse and drug addiction are too very different things. Abuse is just when u misuse drugs, such as taking too much tylenol could be considered substance abuse. A drug addict can not help himself and needs the drug to get. People who are alcoholics can die from withdrawl alone. So abuse and addiction are differnt things all together. And you are wrong if you are not in a sound mine from say alcohol you can void a deal made then.

Paternalism, Paternalism, Paternalism
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Mookyjooky']Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )[/quote]

Oh, no one is telling me what to think or do (like that would matter) but I did count at least 2 or 3 people who wanted to kick my ass (nice tact) over my views of the homeless, but you certainly have no problem telling the homeless what they should or shouldn't do.

CTL[/quote]

Well there are these things called laws that tell everyone what to do. But obviously to you that doesnt matter to you. Did you know fighting is illegal, there needs to be all sorts of licensing and crap to have what is considered a legal fight. So that alone should make bum fighting not allowed
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']"Last time I checked a substance abuse problem didn't equate to an inability to consent to a binding contract for work"

First of substance abuse and drug addiction are too very different things. Abuse is just when u misuse drugs, such as taking too much tylenol could be considered substance abuse. A drug addict can not help himself and needs the drug to get. People who are alcoholics can die from withdrawl alone. So abuse and addiction are differnt things all together. And you are wrong if you are not in a sound mine from say alcohol you can void a deal made then.

Paternalism, Paternalism, Paternalism[/quote]

Substance abuse is the polite (tactful term) for drug abuse.

And you would have to prove they were inebriated at the time of the contract. But it would appear they consistently used the same people in their videos who (according to the article linked above) knew what they were doing was sketchy/questionable, meaning they understood and consented to what they were doing.

Yet again, I could care less what they do, but you Big Brother want to take care of them.

Paternalism, Paternalism, Paternalism

CTL
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Mookyjooky']Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )[/quote]

Oh, no one is telling me what to think or do (like that would matter) but I did count at least 2 or 3 people who wanted to kick my ass (nice tact) over my views of the homeless, but you certainly have no problem telling the homeless what they should or shouldn't do.

CTL[/quote]

Well there are these things called laws that tell everyone what to do. But obviously to you that doesnt matter to you. Did you know fighting is illegal, there needs to be all sorts of licensing and crap to have what is considered a legal fight. So that alone should make bum fighting not allowed[/quote]

Please provide the law they broke since it is so obvious.

But that isn't your argument. Your argument is these people are being taken advantage of. That isn't against the law.

Or did you miss the premise of the stock market? I see something to you that I believe is over-valued while you buy something from me you believe is indervalued?

In fact the point of this board is to find something you believe is worth more than what someone is willing to sell it for. I guess its not taking advantage of a store when they miss-mark a game and you get it for half off?

CTL
 
Part one of CTL’s greatest hits.

My comments are in BOLD

Ikohn4ever:
“To take advantage of the poor and mentally unstable is outrageous. This should be made illegal; these people who make money off of it are slime and should be made an example of. If cock fighting, and dog fights are illegal, this should be too. Plus I think its illegal to have an unsanctioned fight. You’re right it’s already illegal to have an unsanctioned fight.

CTL:
“Ah paternalism at its best. We should all sue McDonald's for making us fat too, right? Exploit the poor. No one made them sign on the bottom line.” Because mentally unstable starving bums, are on the same level as fat rich white America. That doesn’t even make sense.

Can anyone tell me what “paternalism” has to do with this argument? Let’s see here…

( pa·ter·nal·ism: A policy or practice of treating or governing people in a fatherly manner, especially by providing for their needs without giving them rights or responsibilities.)

Well, we’re not providing for the poor…hmmmm, they have rights and responsibilities…. they’re not governed like children. What is it then? The argument was about the decency of people, “to take advantage of the poor and mentally unstable is outrageous”, that’s the key sentence. It’s not about they’re rights, they have the right to fight each other for money…It’s about if society should allow this. Just because I have the will to shoot CTL in the head, doesn’t mean I should. It’s a matter of common sense. It’s what separates us from the animals…we have evolved to be more than that.
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CTL:
“Right, they can do anything for money - and they choose this.”

Are you actually positive they can do ANYTHING for money? Society has a way of keeping people at the bottom…it’s a natural equality. Doesn’t mean you lose respect for them.

CTL:
“How magnanimous of you to decide what is right or wrong for them. Any other changes you would like to make to the world while you are up, oh wise one?”

Personally, I don’t understand how you got that comment from this “Ok buddy, u need to realize that when u have no money, u will do anything for money, and these people are getting taking advantage of because they are helpless. It seems u only care about yourself, that is quite sad. Care about your fellow man. Might grow as a person” He didn’t quote what was right or wrong for bums, once again…you missed the point completely…its about you. Key word : “you”. Key sentence for referance “It seems u only care about yourself, that is quite sad. Care about your fellow man. Might grow as a person”.

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Ikohn4ever:
Whether it be drug or alcohol addiction or some form of mental psychosis many homeless are not in the right state of mine. I have worked in plenty of soup kitchens to know about plus in a psychiatric hospital. I have seen these people and dealt with it. These people cant make coherent decisions. Its like blaming the a kid getting lured into a petophile's van because they were goin to be given candy. Just because they are paid does not mean they are not the victim.

CTL:

“Your analogy of children to an adult, who cannot consent to anything because they are minors is without merit.” Actuallly, people with mental disorders have closer to child-like minds than people who are precise and sharp like yourself. Therefore merit is there…look closer.

Touching that you have worked in soup kitchens. Then you should be aware these people have virtually nothing to offer the world. Yes, all they have to offer is fighting for change…that makes perfect sense. So why begrudge them one thing they have?

More to the point, when are you planning on making a value judgement that women who work in the sex industry are being exploited and therefore there should be no more porn or strip clubs. Actually, that less to the point, the point is taking advantage of people who can’t comprehend what’s going on, these people started crazy, or ended up crazy because of starvation and diseases.

Your paternalism is incredibly condescending. To you or to them? Why do you take offence to people caring for the weaker man?

CTL:
“Or does paternalism only enter the equation when you aren't personally enjoying whats on the DVD?”

How is a person watching a video, governing someone who is on a DVD you’re actually NOT enjoying? That comment was random and retarded…youre smarter that that…come on! You use the same big word in every comment! You ARE consistant…you only have one side to your arguement…you can only come from one angle and repeat it. You’ll never lose your argument, cause you’ll just blurt the same crap out again and again.

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I was going to do all your comments, (I only could get through a page and a half of this crap) but this is fine for now, I have some work to do. Thank you for amusing us with your narrow minded commentary. We were starting to think that elitest way of thinking was something we evolved past. That you for being our “narrow mind guideline” for the last couple days. I’ve been waiting for you to start slamming some hateful slang…but you’re trying your best to look so smart.
 
[quote name='Cracka']they dont arrest you for not breaking the law[/quote]

And people claim I am stupid in this thread.

CTL
 
Oya, and its illegal to have an unsanctioned fight. Period. Not to mention the retarded vandalism in the DVD. That would just have to be completely retarded on they're part.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Smell the Campbell's soup stench.[/quote]

Yeah, way more stinky than those Progresso folks... :p

I'm like Marvin from Pulp Fiction on this topic:
"Maaaaaaaan, I don't EVEN have an opinion."
 
What I enjoy most about his comments is that no matter how intelligent he attempts to come across, he has used the phrase, "I could care less," twice. This, of course, logically means he cares at least a bit, or how else could he care less, which he has stated time and again that he does not. Yes, I know, this is nothing more than minutiae amongst the grander argument at hand, but still, I found it amusing.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Ikohn4ever']I find bum fighting disgusting. JackAss is one thing were they do it to themselves, but to take advantage of the poor and mentally unstable is outrageous. This should be made illegal, these people who make money off of it are slime and should be made an example of. If cock fighting, and dog fights aren illegal, this should be too. PLus I think its illgeal to have an unsanctioned fight.[/quote]

Ah paternalism at its best. We should all sue McDonald's for making us fat too, right?

Exploit the poor. No one made them sign on the bottom line.

No one forced them to take the pay-off.

Screw the poor. They exist only to amuse me.

CTL[/quote]

Ok buddy, u need to realize that when u have no money, u will do anything for money, and these people are getting taking advantage of because they are helpless. It seems u only care about yourself, that is quite sad. Care about your fellow man. Might grow as a person[/quote]



IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!
 
Master shut up...if you were starving for a week and had no food...you would beat the shit out of someone for a dollar so you could eat...your taking advantage of people because of their situation...MrBadExample show's that they were veterans...people that probably got hurt (mentally or physically) because of the war they were in...what you and CTL are saying is that we can take advantage of people because of their social situation...people that are less fortunate that you or I...now how is this right or just? THEY A fuckING PEOPLE YOU ASSHOLES!...can you understand that they are PEOPLE...not bugs or some virus
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Mookyjooky']Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )[/quote]

Oh, no one is telling me what to think or do (like that would matter) but I did count at least 2 or 3 people who wanted to kick my ass (nice tact) over my views of the homeless, but you certainly have no problem telling the homeless what they should or shouldn't do.

CTL[/quote]

Well there are these things called laws that tell everyone what to do. But obviously to you that doesnt matter to you. Did you know fighting is illegal, there needs to be all sorts of licensing and crap to have what is considered a legal fight. So that alone should make bum fighting not allowed[/quote]

Please provide the law they broke since it is so obvious.

But that isn't your argument. Your argument is these people are being taken advantage of. That isn't against the law.

Or did you miss the premise of the stock market? I see something to you that I believe is over-valued while you buy something from me you believe is indervalued?

In fact the point of this board is to find something you believe is worth more than what someone is willing to sell it for. I guess its not taking advantage of a store when they miss-mark a game and you get it for half off?

CTL[/quote]

uhh hey shithead you new to the term battery?
 
[quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Ikohn4ever']I find bum fighting disgusting. JackAss is one thing were they do it to themselves, but to take advantage of the poor and mentally unstable is outrageous. This should be made illegal, these people who make money off of it are slime and should be made an example of. If cock fighting, and dog fights aren illegal, this should be too. PLus I think its illgeal to have an unsanctioned fight.[/quote]

Ah paternalism at its best. We should all sue McDonald's for making us fat too, right?

Exploit the poor. No one made them sign on the bottom line.

No one forced them to take the pay-off.

Screw the poor. They exist only to amuse me.

CTL[/quote]

Ok buddy, u need to realize that when u have no money, u will do anything for money, and these people are getting taking advantage of because they are helpless. It seems u only care about yourself, that is quite sad. Care about your fellow man. Might grow as a person[/quote]



IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!![/quote]

If u watched some of the video youd see alot of it isnt there choice... a lot of the times the jusst jump other homeless ppl.
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Mookyjooky']Quote from CTL - "You however feel the need to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do based on what you feel is right for them - unless of course you enjoy them being debased for mere pocket change."

No one is telling you what to do or think...

I've got a new word for you, it's not a big one...but it's one you probably don't know.

( Tact : Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending. )[/quote]

Oh, no one is telling me what to think or do (like that would matter) but I did count at least 2 or 3 people who wanted to kick my ass (nice tact) over my views of the homeless, but you certainly have no problem telling the homeless what they should or shouldn't do.

CTL[/quote]

Well there are these things called laws that tell everyone what to do. But obviously to you that doesnt matter to you. Did you know fighting is illegal, there needs to be all sorts of licensing and crap to have what is considered a legal fight. So that alone should make bum fighting not allowed[/quote]

Please provide the law they broke since it is so obvious.

But that isn't your argument. Your argument is these people are being taken advantage of. That isn't against the law.

Or did you miss the premise of the stock market? I see something to you that I believe is over-valued while you buy something from me you believe is indervalued?

In fact the point of this board is to find something you believe is worth more than what someone is willing to sell it for. I guess its not taking advantage of a store when they miss-mark a game and you get it for half off?

CTL[/quote]

uhh hey shithead you new to the term battery?[/quote]

Right I am sure you are very familar with the legal elements of the term battery. Or is it just easier for you to reach unfounded conclusions based on your use of the English language?

I suppose the fact that at trial this would be construed as acting has no relevance?

Or is the best you can do call me a shithead? I don't recall if you were one of the people who said they were going to beat the shit out of me over this or not, but you probably were, yet again illuminating the value you have brought to this discussion.

CTL

Let them eat cake.
 
[quote name='BasketCase1080'][quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='Ikohn4ever'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Ikohn4ever']I find bum fighting disgusting. JackAss is one thing were they do it to themselves, but to take advantage of the poor and mentally unstable is outrageous. This should be made illegal, these people who make money off of it are slime and should be made an example of. If cock fighting, and dog fights aren illegal, this should be too. PLus I think its illgeal to have an unsanctioned fight.[/quote]

Ah paternalism at its best. We should all sue McDonald's for making us fat too, right?

Exploit the poor. No one made them sign on the bottom line.

No one forced them to take the pay-off.

Screw the poor. They exist only to amuse me.

CTL[/quote]

Ok buddy, u need to realize that when u have no money, u will do anything for money, and these people are getting taking advantage of because they are helpless. It seems u only care about yourself, that is quite sad. Care about your fellow man. Might grow as a person[/quote]



IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!![/quote]

If u watched some of the video youd see alot of it isnt there choice... a lot of the times the jusst jump other homeless ppl.[/quote]

Thats probably because there was no editing of the tape right?

Do you believe everything posted on the internet as well?

CTL
 
yea, at a dollar per match, if they fight one fight every day, they'll have 365 dollars every year! minus the dollar a day ATLEAST that they'll need to use for food...

so that basically amounts to them having $0 at the end of the year, and fighting everyday!

at that rate, they'll be rich in no time!
 
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