CAG PSN Gamesharing #3 - Find/Create a Gameshare Group and Gameshare FAQ

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It's not complicated. Your problem is finding enough people that will pay 50% and buy secondhand at 50%. I know I'm not the only one who will call it quits if this happens, and Sony knows this. The online deactivation is just icing on their cake. Help those that need it and watch the old gameshare accounts self-destruct. They probably figure it's what we deserve (karma), LOL!

Besides, everything noteworthy goes on sale or has a considerable price drop regardless of being a Plus member. With gamesharing doomed, I expect the discounts on their end to increase and come alot faster. Splitting it two ways like you suggest only benefit people who are impatient. Sony will see an increase in unique sales and you'll be stuck with shares you don't "own" outright. We'd be doing exactly what they envisioned, spending more money.

Trust me, the thread is dead if we go your way. 50/50 is too much to support a resale market. You'd have about 10 people here buying the cheapest stuff on PSN this time next year. Sony thought this out very well IMO.
 
No, 50/50 is retarded!

Example ;

1.) iwarboY and Brainberry buy PixelJunk Sidescroller for $10, each spending $5 instead of the usual $2. Sony still makes the same amount, you spend more.
2.) NSYNC and a whole bunch of others leave the thread, saying they're never buying PSN items again.
3.) A period of time passes.
4.) What's this, 50% off? Bought on main account.
5.) Sony = Outsmarted us and made more money.
6.) iwarboY and Brainberry are tied to each other AND occupying a slot on their PS3 while everyone that waited is enjoying it on their main account.
7.) Good luck finding anybody that will now buy your share at $5.
8.) Thread eventually dies.

All they have to do is look at their data and put the right stuff on sale to end gamesharing for good.
 
Why can't you just be ok with people being ok with paying 50% for a game?

50% off on cheap games is still a steal.

I don't mind it, its not a big deal.
 
[quote name='Brainberry']Why can't you just be ok with people being ok with paying 50% for a game?[/QUOTE]

Haha, don't get mad at me. That was only a $10 example. 50/50 is really short-sighted and only considering the cheaper PSN items. Look how difficult it is for people to host. Hardly anyone wants to do it. You think there's gonna be enough that drop $40 so we can play UK games? Get real, people are leaving.

[quote name='iwarboY']if this really is -Cheap-Ass-Gamer- i'll bet money others will continue buying and selling the $5 share. i know i would :D[/QUOTE]

Again. People don't want to host a $10 game unless everyone pays first. You got it backwards.

EDIT: That also sounds similar to the "wait list" idea Brainberry called retarded earlier. You two on the same page?
 
[quote name='NSYNC']Haha, don't get mad at me. That was only a $10 example. 50/50 is really short-sighted and only considering the cheaper PSN items. Look how difficult it is for people to host. Hardly anyone wants to do it. You think there's gonna be enough that drop $40 so we can play UK games? Get real, people are leaving.



Again. People don't want to host a $10 game unless everyone pays first. You got it backwards.

EDIT: That also sounds similar to the "wait list" idea Brainberry called retarded earlier. You two on the same page?[/QUOTE]

Nobody's getting mad.

I'm okay with paying half off for a game.

That's it.
 
i mean, bro, what im saying is clear to me. buy and sell same as before. buy at 50% and then sell at 50%. i'll gladly hosts a number of them as well. $10 - $60 shares. i'll have a nice log book for myself. funtimes to be had, no worries.
 
[quote name='Brainberry']Why can't you just be ok with people being ok with paying 50% for a game?[/QUOTE]

Haha, don't get mad at me. That was only a $10 example. 50/50 is really short-sighted and only considering the cheaper PSN items. Look how difficult it is for people to host. Hardly anyone wants to do it. You think there's gonna be enough that drop $40 so we can play UK games? Get real, people are leaving.

[quote name='iwarboY']if this really is -Cheap-Ass-Gamer- i'll bet money others will continue buying and selling the $5 share. i know i would :D[/QUOTE]

Again. People don't want to host a $10 game unless everyone pays first. You got it backwards. It's about spending as little as possible. If someone knows what you're selling has been on sale, they'll ask for a discount more times than not. You haven't noticed people taking a "hit" on stuff they're selling now. Some of these items have never been on sale. You think 50/50 will survive because it's the only option?

EDIT: That also sounds similar to the "wait list" idea Brainberry called retarded earlier. You two on the same page?
 
What I'm saying is, if someone knows what you're selling has been on sale, they'll ask for a discount more times than not. You two haven't noticed people taking a hit on stuff they're selling now? Some of these items have never been on sale. Your at-cost resale theory is already at a huge disadvantage because we're all accustomed to seeing "discounts". You think 50/50 will survive because you'll be one of the thread's only options? There won't be much to bookkeep iwarboY. You can't finish what you're playing fast enough to supply demand. That's why I suggested tier pricing.

Sony has been overlooking these type of threads and followed the trends for a long time. They've concluded it's gotten out of hand. You two split something 50/50, Sony COULD and probably will counter with a sale a few weeks/months later. Not everyone you're catering to will have played said item by then. It's too expensive to freefully buy shares at 50/50. Over time they'll essentially be giving your consumer, fellow gamesharers, a better, safer and easier option. We can say we won't buy anything, but they know it's not true. They'll knock us out one at time while we all spend more in the process.
 
no, i actually hope there will be ' other ' options.. whatever keeps the thread up and running. the more options the merrier, though 50/50 will def be a solid option, especially for people like myself who would like to game on the spot. simply a means of sharing. nothing more.
 
Good luck with that. I've got one foot out the door, LOL! Two activations was the perfect number to give gamesharing a slow death while squeezing a few extra dollars out of the one's who stay. I thought about what the future would look like long-term and it's not going to work IMO. Considering what this activate/deactivate website looks like, I may or may not keep up to date with the thread. My buying/hosting days are over. It was a pain in the butt trying to resell slots at 1/5 of the price, and I rushed through almost everything. Discounts made it even worse, and now we have two activations. Time to cash out.
 
Trying to sell someone an item at 50% off will be like pulling teeth. Most will be hesitant. Look how hard it is to sell long-term shares once people are finished with them.
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so don't sell it off 50%, do a trade for something else. the only thing this changes is the cost of the shares and there are other ways around this. if you buy a game, i'm sure there is someone out there that wants to play the game. redbox charges $2.00 a night that's $14 a week and yet I see people there all the time and never many games in the box.
 
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transcollector, I hear you but when's enough, enough? I thought we were gamers. Now there's going to be so much work involved for hosts supervising old AND new shares. Things could be very quiet and go smooth initially with multiple ways to buy/sell, but we all know at some point all hell is going to break loose. It does now with something like Qriocity. Add in new people we all have to give the benefit of the doubt for this to survive, and it's too much. All over saving a few dollars before Sony puts the same item on sale? No thanks. I've had people accuse me through PM of changing passwords and then be very vague about it on here. When it gets fixed, they just disappear. How many people that were banned are sitting on account info? It's overwhelming as someone who's hosted alot of shares.
 
true many of these account have changed hands a lot, but If you know the host, and if you trust the host then you have nothing to worry about. I have a few shares and you don't see me dumping them because I know who the hosts were and I trust them. This has always been a trust game.
So You start a group, set it up like a longterm share, keep track of the host, as people trade/sell shares update the longterm group, when host wants he passes the info to someone trusting in the group update everyone they change the email/pass and host moves on.
or just give up sony wins you shell out your full 100% for your game and game less. It is what it is evolve.
 
[quote name='transcollector']when host wants he passes the info to someone trusting in the group update everyone they change the email/pass and host moves on.[/QUOTE]

Can't see myself EVER doing this. Who is "everyone" on an old share? Would you just post it in thread for "everyone" to see? If so, you're back where you started. Say I told "everyone" meeek was taking over all my shares. He wouldn't know who to believe if he got more than five responses. How long would he wait before not accepting anymore requests for the new email/pass? Too easy to dupe a new host. I post here everday and don't remember a good portion of the people I get PMs from with issues or concerns.

[quote name='transcollector']so don't sell it off 50%, rent it out $1.00 for a weeks rental or do a trade for something else.[/QUOTE]

I tried before all of this happened (pretty recent actually), and not one person supported it. Most just shot it down saying, "what if they don't return it? I want my game now, that's retarded." Surprised these same people have such a positive outlook on 50/50. All it is, is the most obvious. Once things get pricey, like the cost of hosting a group pricey, they'll dwindle in numbers.
 
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you can set up a social group here for each share. only let the people that are in your group in, you would know "everyone" that was in your group.
when someone trades/sells/leaves they are out(of the share and of the group)
password changes and via pm group gets updated on new pass.

there are ways to handle this. also if you look back there has been many attempts to change the system we use here and people saying it's time to track down hosts and organize better. I believe Meek was also a "poster boy" for change toward the last thread, but it fell on deaf ears. Now that Sony is doing something about it, Now everyone is worried.

We can beat this and figure this out as a group, as a community, OR we can give up, give your money to Sony, play less games, and keep the memory of CAG as everyone walks away.

Pm me NSYNC if you want to continue this chat don't want to fill pages of just us going at it.
 
[quote name='transcollector']Pm me NSYNC if you want to continue this chat don't want to fill pages of just us going at it.[/QUOTE]

Who cares (I know)? We're on-topic sorta. It'll get people to think. There's always someone who will complain about something here.

[quote name='transcollector']I believe Meek was also a "poster boy" for change toward the last thread, but it fell on deaf ears. Now that Sony is doing something about it, Now everyone is worried.[/quote]

meeek was the "re-poster boy"! Sorry meeek, I had to do it. He gave me a softball, haha.

[quote name='transcollector']OR we can give up, give your money to Sony, play less games, and keep the memory of CAG as everyone walks away.[/quote]

It's gonna happen anyway (less games), and they'll make more money in the process. They're gonna squeeze the one's who stay a few extra dollars per share. How long do you think people are going to pay 50% to play a game first here? How many will wait for those same people to finish? After that? What about Sony running 50% off sales too? What about activations/deactivations? Even on tier pricing you wait and most likely lose money in the end. Renting is lose/lose at 50% investment. Trust me, I've thought about this alot. Opening social groups only helps groups today and one's you're certain you can account for. Then you have to get them all there, which is a battle in itself. After the 18th, most will only consist of two at a time with your boot idea. Trust me, Sony isn't as dumb as first thought.
 
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sounds good to me. The more thinking people we have, the easier it will be to finding a solution.
for old accounts, there isn't much we can do. trust your host, try and find your host, disconnect from net after the 17th, till your done with your share. worried about losing your share....sell it , give it away w/e. After the APOCALYPSE buy a new share, if anyone is still here.

DO NOT START POSTING FULL EMAILS OF SHARES YOU HAVE TO TRY AND TRACK DOWN HOSTS, IT WOULD BE TOO EASY FOR SONY TO JUST BAN THE ADDRESS
maybe PM the person you bought it from, perhaps they are the host, or can tell you who they bought it from, or if they were in the original group that bought the game.

and on another note, it might be time to start removing one's psn name also makes it easy to get banned. want to give someone your psn name maybe play games together PM is your friend.

for new accounts we need more organization and a new system.
 
NSYNC, i think you make a few valid points, but i also think you are panicking a bit. Thing will be VERY different when these changes are made on the 18th, but this thread won't die - i'm quite certain of that. We are people, we battle adversity all the time. If it means taking a slight hit on shares, so be it; if it means making this community even more tight-knit than it already is, so be it. We'll find a way to adapt, you can bank on that. I know there are people who have had issues selling shares, but between CAG and GameTZ i have always had a share i was looking to sell gone with 48 hours - i don't think this will be that big an issue when there is more demand as long as people aren't greedy and are willing to take a slight hit. We need to band together and seek out solutions, not hit the panic button, wave the white flag, and declare Sony victors. I think this place will be less active than it is now, but that won't necessary be a bad thing. If Sony really think they've figured it all out they are out of their minds because this will only drive people towards renting and buying pre-owed games. The PS Store will suffer as a result unless they can offer competitive prices which i'm inclined to believe they won't. They'll still think they can price inFAMOUS 2 at $60 and have people buy it or price FIFA 12 at 70 Euros and think people who can get a used copy for a third of that price will buy from their store. I'll probably only buy sparingly and probably only buy cheaper PSN only titles. I'll play through my already hefty backlog and trade for games i want and only even pay attention to the store if it is the best deal i can find anywhere. I think people forget that even at 1/5 of the price, the PSN Store really isn't the cheapest possible option. Trading games or buying a game from someone on a trading site, eBay or Amazon and then selling off those games is much cheaper. I'll lose the convenience, but Sony will suffer in the long run because they've aimed their bullets in the wrong direction.
 
Heavyd814life, two people will most likely be covering a majority of shares. Sony doesn't care what those other three do (rent, trade, etc). They have less people "stealing" their games. They can win those people back you think will leave quite easily for MORE than what they would've paid before the 18th. I'm not panicking, but being realistic. There is no resale market at 50% where you can sell EVERY share within 48 hours anymore.

Take Battlefield 3 and move it to the 18th. How different do things look for Usuyami?

EDIT: A good example of them winning people back was their hack this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Sony's gaming division profitable this year and closing the gap on 360? This is nothing for them. Discount something their data shows will cause a spike in sales, and you pull more and more people away from gamesharing and back to PSN/digital purchases. It's working for PS+, which I think is a total rip-off.
 
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grab the games you want to play now. still 5 users. if your the host you've got nothing to worry about. If you trust the host, you have nothing to worry about. a Trusted host list is needed maybe front paged and not one of these "new guy votes host is great", hosted 1 gameshare and is added to the list, maybe 10 is a magic number.
 
I have a question. Why does it matter if you have a trustworthy host or not? Anybody with the login info can change the email/pass at anytime through Qriocity. So lets say someone in the group changes the email/pass how does the host have any power to do anything? Sorry if this is a dumb question but i have hosted a few shares and i'm curious.
 
Bottomline, Sony figures there's probably two people out of every five that will continue making them the same amount of money. Everyone else is just extra and won't be missed if they do leave. Ofcourse this thread isn't going to collapse overnight, but Sony knows this will put the resale market on life support. Without them, the one's that stay are just spending more money than they used to without the ability of trying their content for free. They'll swallow your "savings" now, LOL! It's sorta like their online-pass to our GameStop.

[quote name='Gamer4life88']I have a question. Why does it matter if you have a trustworthy host or not? Anybody with the login info can change the email/pass at anytime through Qriocity. So lets say someone in the group changes the email/pass how does the host have any power to do anything? Sorry if this is a dumb question but i have hosted a few shares and i'm curious.[/QUOTE]

All they can do is restore everything that happened. After that, it's first come, first serve. The culprit could just as easily do it again. Rinse and repeat until the host throws his hands up or locks everyone out. Your stuff was never safe and is in more danger now than ever. I had a LBP DLC account that fell victim to this 4 times! Imagine what can happen now? I'm not panicking, promise.
 
[quote name='Gamer4life88']I have a question. Why does it matter if you have a trustworthy host or not? Anybody with the login info can change the email/pass at anytime through Qriocity. So lets say someone in the group changes the email/pass how does the host have any power to do anything? Sorry if this is a dumb question but i have hosted a few shares and i'm curious.[/QUOTE]

if someone tried to change the email/pass, the host gets an email saying someone has changed email.pass if it wasn't them "click here and fix the problem" and can take the account back.

@ NYSNC as the host change your pass after the share, now noone will steal your account, it will make more work for you when the other person want to sell/get rid of the account but you (host) still has full control over the account, keep track of who has the account and when your ready to dump the host share of the account pass the email & pass to someone in your group, they change the email & pass and they continue it on. or plan #2 read the pm i sent you.
 
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The PS3 is undoubtedly the console this generation with the greatest upside - hence the increased profit margin over time. Sony has lacked foresight often enough in the past for me to conclude that they haven't given revenue and consumer backlash much thought at all. I mean, lack of foresight got them in this mess in the first place - they have proven time after time that they aren't terribly bright. This whole mess won't do small developers any favors and while this might lead to people buying more physical copies of games, the PS Store will suffer because the prices just aren't competitive enough. I'm sure the brass at Netflix thought they had a master plan and if consumer reaction to this move is any indication, Sony are destined to have an "in hindsight" moment. You say there is no resale value at 50% - perhaps. But we adapt with the times and i for one know that if Amy hits the store at $15 and i pay $7 for a share i have no problem selling at $4. There have been a number of workable solutions put forward and on the 18th and in the weeks that follow, we'll be able to test out theories until we find a happy medium. There was a recent study that showed that something like 50% of gamers don't pay for games - they think gamesharers are doing more harm than good? They obviously haven't seen the impact used games have on their profit margins. We could honestly go around in circles all day, NSYNC. Your points are valid and i hope people read through the last few pages and consider the points you've made. All this does, for me anyway, is make things a little less convenient. Come the 18th, there will be a steep decline in the amount of money i spend on PSN content and i'm sure i speak for a good portion of people.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']Bottomline, Sony figures there's probably two people out of every five that will continue making them the same amount of money. [/QUOTE]

I think they are in for a rude awakening if this is what they think will happen.
 
[quote name='Heavyd814life']I think they are in for a rude awakening if this is what they think will happen.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, think about it. You, iwarboY, Brainberry and transcollector seem to have a more positive outlook. That's 4 solid regular posters. How many people post regularly? The percentages may be there just based off this thread. If not, it's close. People are paying full price for stuff now, which I don't quite get. I'm clearly outnumbered tonight, so I'd say Sony is gonna win this battle.

[quote name='transcollector']DO NOT START POSTING FULL EMAILS OF SHARES YOU HAVE TO TRY AND TRACK DOWN HOSTS, IT WOULD BE TOO EASY FOR SONY TO JUST BAN THE ADDRESS
maybe PM the person you bought it from, perhaps they are the host, or can tell you who they bought it from, or if they were in the original group that bought the game.[/QUOTE]

They've already got them. I think one of the scammers rounded up everyone's PSN ID and directed them to this thread awhile back. Let's not forget about lurkers who oppose gamesharing. I think this is our "ban". A real ban would be lose/lose for them.
 
I can see where this could be a problem with older shares when nobody knows who has access to the account. With the new system there will only be 2 people if you host and have control what kind of idiot would try and change anything when in reality you could then lock them out permanently. If the original 2 keep in contact and let each other know they are selling the share or if your both done resell the entire share to 2 other people and pass on info.
As far as reselling for less you have to do the same thing with a retail copy whether you sell it on ebay or CL or trade it in. At least you can set the price you want and if someone wants the game bad enough or has another person to share with they should pay full price. It just sounds ot me like it's time to start pairing up with someone you trust and go from there.
 
same people paying full price now, aren't here they aren't CAG'ers. We are a different breed. We think outside the box, different view of things, always have, always will.
only thing this will do is cause less being sold through psn more people hitting ebay,gamefly and gamestop to try and save money. if your not paying 100% now, what makes you think you gunna pay 100% after. your going to be more choosy with what you buy, think twice about the games you buy and buy less, wait for a sale, buy disk so that you can sell/trade it after. lets hold off till the 18th then worry about it. As for me i have my plan and I am not worried (little more work but it will work)
the box is square, I think triangle we will overcome,evolve, adapt, and continue.
 
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I see it this way: Mass Effect 3's digital release coincides with the retail release. PSN/5 and we have a shit ton of groups; PSN/2 + the whole deactivating/activating on a pc thing and i'm inclined to believe that not very many people create a group and very few people will be paying $60 for a game that is stuck on their main account forever (no resale value, nothing). What will likely happen is that people will either wait to purchase a used copy or take advantage of the many B1G1 FREE or similar promotions that retail outlets run. You could argue, i suppose, that more new physical copies of the game will be sold, but where exactly does that leave the PS Store? Where is the incentive to purchase it from the PS Store? Better question would probably be how would you buy it from the store? Use your credit card lol? No more Amazon, Best Buy is incredibly unreliable which leaves Gamestop. Unless, of course, you want to go on eBay and pay more than face value for the card or drive around and pick it up from a nearby store (time you could spend picking up a used copy from Gamestop or renting it from Redbox).

Let's look at a PSN game that's priced at $15. You run into the issue of people not willing to take a $7 risk on a game that hasn't been marketed to death (a la PixelJunk). I'm sure if we conducted a small study of a game like BloodRayne you'll find that there were people who just took a stab at it thinking a $2 share was nothing. On the 18th it'll be a $5 share and if the online deactivation works like everyone fears it will, the reluctance and the bad experiences people across the world are bound to have will deter them from creating shares at all. Does that mean they'll take a shot and buy it on their main account (to keep forever and ever) for $10? No chance (at least not if they live on a budget like i do). What about with a sale? - well it had better be a pretty significant sale. At the end of the day i think Sony will find that it really wasn't worth all the hassle.
 
i agree with Heavyd. honestly i believe the only thing that would kill gamesharing, would be if sony did some kind of rental plan. if that was ever to happen then maybe sharing would die, and it would kill 2nd hand marketing(ebay gamefly,gamestop.etc all in one shot). Because that is what most do with a gameshare and our games in general. you buy it, play it, you get rid of it when done. Not many keep games even retail versions.
 
Ironic you mentioned an EA game considering that's what started all this. Also, thinking Sony is losing all this money on a digital copy of Mass Effect 3 is laughable. How many gameshare people on CAG will have the HDD space for something like that? Again, they don't want you. There will be enough buyers that pay the $30 and offset what you think is gonna happen. Sony/EA will be unphased by your poor theory.
 
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Ironic you mentioned an EA game considering that's what started all this. Also, thinking Sony is losing all this money on a digital copy of Mass Effect 3 is laughable. How many gameshare people on CAG will have the HDD space for something like that? Again, they don't want you. There will be enough buyers that pay the $30 and offset what you think is gonna happen. Sony/EA will be unphased by your poor theory. We're literally talking single digit losses AT WORSE for something like this. I personally think it'll be business as usual on high-profile titles. It'll just be less that play now.

EDIT: I'm speaking about this thread when referring to losses.
EDIT2: I can't believe you mentioned Bloodrayne either. I actually had to host a group on release day because it was doing so poorly. That was a $3 share. Keep going.
 
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[quote name='Heavyd814life']Also looking for Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2. If enough people would like to start up a separate share for it, i'd be willing to host. I'm also looking for a PSN Plus share so i can play Hydrophobia. If you have a share of RE 4 + RE: CV with Plus, for example, that also works. Just shoot me a pm[/QUOTE]

I am in for the Arrival DLC for ME2 as well if you decide to start a separate share for it.
 
My PSN life is not over because of this, i'll just find a way to adapt. 50% off is still good. You just need to have a partner. Its not the end all. I just won't get it at full price.

Doesn't really make me want to freak out
 
See heavyd814life? Add iRobotZombie to the list. No loss on Sony's end for the forseeable future. What's going to eventually happen is you'll get tired of getting stuck with 50% shares to offload and bow out like me. Could be a month or two years. Sony doesn't care, but your wallet might.
 
[quote name='NSYNC']See heavyd814life? Add iRobotZombie to the list. No loss on Sony's end for the forseeable future. What's going to eventually happen is you'll get tired of getting stuck with 50% shares to offload and bow out like me. Could be a month or two years. Sony doesn't care, but your wallet might.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone feels the same about needing to offload the content they purchased, especially at the same or similar price. I keep the ones I like and I have no problems taking a hit on the others. I purchase games from PSN/XBLA/Steam/iTunes and PSN is the only one I can resell from, or share as easily, even after these changes.
 
Of course we are worse off, i'd rather pay $17 for BF3, than $42 -- based on a recent share value.

But what i'm saying NSYNC is, if you really want that game, you will gladly pay $42 rather than $84 with no resell value. Think of it from a buyer's point of view, they are saving half. But the majority of shares will go down by half as well, maybe even more. But it will still happen man!
 
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Selling battlefield 3
infamous 2 + dlc:
assassin's creed brotherhood:
Blue toad share

Get all 4 share accounts for $35
 
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[quote name='Yanksfan']Not everyone feels the same about needing to offload the content they purchased, especially at the same or similar price.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure every share I've sold will end up somewhere for good. Thanks for the insight. :)

[quote name='iRobotZombie']Of course we are worse off, i'd rather pay $17 for BF3, than $42 -- based on a recent share value.

But what i'm saying NSYNC is, if you really want that game, you will gladly pay $42 rather than $84 with no resell value. Think of it from a buyer's point of view, they are saving half.[/quote]

That's what I'm telling heavyd814life. He thinks Sony will lose money over this news, and I disagree. If you can't see how you're being "squeezed" before finally tapping, play it out. I'll still be here.
 
[quote name='Yanksfan']Not everyone feels the same about needing to offload the content they purchased, especially at the same or similar price.[/QUOTE]

Sorry man. I sounded like a smartass in that first reply. What I'm getting at is you're going to need people like me, and I'm going to need people like you. Sony has priced out a good portion of us at no loss to them. That $10 you gave Sony for 5 games, will now go to one for example. You're spending the same, but playing less. After awhile you'll wish those guys were back because the thread is dying and you want to play more games. It's similar to long-term groups, but more expensive. You should be in one now if you're cool with these changes. I'm purposefully taking this position because it's brewing discussion. I admit I got carried away in my response to you.
 
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