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schwoo.....finally done releaving everyone's feedback into the new system....hopefully every does the same for me after receiving the pm notifications....too bad half of the people don't even sign on any more :cry:
 
[quote name='The Successful Dropout']:lol:



on a separate note: damn me for not knowing to send in my trades on time :cry: ....i had no idea...i guess ill just go through all of my trades and releave feedback for everyone ive traded with...that'll send them a pm and hopefully they'll get the hint :bouncy:[/QUOTE]
Hint taken ;) I didn't bother much with the feedback, since I only have two, so I'm just now getting around to it. But, feedback listed for the whole shebang, thanks to Dropout :p
 
I've got a question about the new feedback system, since it only counts 1 feedback per person what happens if you have 5 trades with one user and on the last one they leave you a negative?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']I've got a question about the new feedback system, since it only counts 1 feedback per person what happens if you have 5 trades with one user and on the last one they leave you a negative?[/QUOTE]

that means that you don't tell them about the new system ;)
 
[quote name='shrike4242']In theory, the negative and the positive would zero each other out in trader rating. You'd have 6 trades accumulated in the trade total.[/QUOTE]

So if you were to screw someone that you already traded with the negative they leave will simply cancel out the positive they already left?
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']So if you were to screw someone that you already traded with the negative they leave will simply cancel out the positive they already left?[/QUOTE]

That doesn't sound right. If you've traded with them 5 times, and left 5 good ratings, then leave on neg, their total should be 4. I don't know if that's what it's coded to do now, but that's what it ought to do, in my opinion.
 
[quote name='jclast']That doesn't sound right. If you've traded with them 5 times, and left 5 good ratings, then leave on neg, their total should be 4. I don't know if that's what it's coded to do now, but that's what it ought to do, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Well right now it's coded to give you 1 positive feedback per trader, so if you trade with them 5 times you only get 1 positive, however if you traded with someone 10 times and they left you a negative for one of those you'd have an overall trade rating of 0 with them, I think.
 
I'm all for negative feedback screwing people over, but that system makes it hard to know exactly what the feedback score means, in my opinion.
 
[quote name='jclast']I'm all for negative feedback screwing people over, but that system makes it hard to know exactly what the feedback score means, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

True, the problem becomes that some negatives are for major things like not sending and some are for minor things like shipping look longer than a week.
 
[quote name='jclast']Do all the comments at least show up if you trade with the same person multiple times?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but most of the comments (including mine) don't actually say much about the trade.
 
I noticed that. Why is comment length restricted to 80 characters? That makes it hard to mention the items, describe the trade, and rate the trader all at the same time.
 
"Traded Final Fantasy X for XBL Starter Kit. Flawless Trade, Great CAG Trader."

< 80 words.

It's not that bad.
 
The comment length is only a minor gripe (I tend to type a lot). The feedback total, I think, is much more important.
 
[quote name='jclast']I'm all for negative feedback screwing people over, but that system makes it hard to know exactly what the feedback score means, in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Umm..im pretty sure its the same as eBay.


[quote name='jclast']The comment length is only a minor gripe (I tend to type a lot). The feedback total, I think, is much more important.[/QUOTE] There is space in the feedback for a URL. You use that to link to the trade thread which can contain as much info as you like.
 
So if I buy from you 5 times and leave all + on eBay, then buy one more and leave a -, you have a net of 0 instead of 4 (assuming you've only ever done eBay transaction with me)?

Even if that is how eBay does it, it just doesn't seem right to me. That'd be like saying:
"Well Billy, you got 100s on the first 4 tests, and flunked the fifth (0). We'll just make that a 50 overall."

It should be an 80, that way you know that 80% is the average score.

I think the feedback stat I'd me most interested in would be +/total.

I guess I just don't get it. No feedback should be more important than any other. If you screw somebody out of $10, it's just as bad as screwing them out of $100. In that same vein, a good trade should always count as a good trade and a bad trade should always count as a bad trade regardless of who it's with.

Sorry if this is too long or opinionated or whatnot. The new feedback is easier to leave and find than the old, but from reading it I think I understood the old system better.
 
[quote name='jclast']So if I buy from you 5 times and leave all + on eBay, then buy one more and leave a -, you have a net of 0 instead of 4 (assuming you've only ever done eBay transaction with me)?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I believe so.

[quote name='jclast']
Even if that is how eBay does it, it just doesn't seem right to me. That'd be like saying:
"Well Billy, you got 100s on the first 4 tests, and flunked the fifth (0). We'll just make that a 50 overall."

It should be an 80, that way you know that 80% is the average score.

I guess I just don't get it. No feedback should be more important than any other. If you screw somebody out of $10, it's just as bad as screwing them out of $100. In that same vein, a good trade should always count as a good trade and a bad trade should always count as a bad trade regardless of who it's with.

Sorry if this is too long or opinionated or whatnot. The new feedback is easier than the old, but from reading it I think I understood the old system better.[/QUOTE]

The system, like ebay, is based on trades from unique members. A user can only effect your score by +/- 1 point, no matter how many trades you have made with them. This is to prevent abuse and provide a more accurate score. It seems to be working for eBay. I really don't know what else I can say to explain it better. Of course you are entitled to your opinion.
 
I don't expect anything to change; I just don't really get it that's all. If I did 2 good trades with you, I'd want your score to go up to 2, and if for whatever dumb reason I get ripped off by the same guy twice I'd like to see his score go down by 2.

But if it works, it works. I don't run one of these places, so who am I to argue?
 
[quote name='jclast']So if I buy from you 5 times and leave all + on eBay, then buy one more and leave a -, you have a net of 0 instead of 4 (assuming you've only ever done eBay transaction with me)?

Even if that is how eBay does it, it just doesn't seem right to me. That'd be like saying:
"Well Billy, you got 100s on the first 4 tests, and flunked the fifth (0). We'll just make that a 50 overall."

It should be an 80, that way you know that 80% is the average score.
[/QUOTE]

I'm not exactly sure, but I'm guessing that's what it does. 4 out of 5 trades are positive, you have an 80% total. That is, of course, if you only have 5 trades total.
 
Yes...I am pretty sure ALL trades are included in the percentage...its just the Feedback Score that is based on unique users.
 
Is it really fair for people to be able to leave negative feedback for trades that never happened? One of the negatives feedbacks I just read was because "he was supposed to buy my games". That sucks, but since no transaction took place, there is no feedback to be left.
 
[quote name='ZForce915']Is it really fair for people to be able to leave negative feedback for trades that never happened? One of the negatives feedbacks I just read was because "he was supposed to buy my games". That sucks, but since no transaction took place, there is no feedback to be left.[/QUOTE]

yeah, that sounds like bullshit...so im sure that it can be easily reported to a mod or cheapy....which they'll then erase the feedback and warn the leaver
 
[quote name='ZForce915']Is it really fair for people to be able to leave negative feedback for trades that never happened? One of the negatives feedbacks I just read was because "he was supposed to buy my games". That sucks, but since no transaction took place, there is no feedback to be left.[/QUOTE]

I went through the feedback tally and checked for all the negatives that were listed for people. I found all the relavent posts (a couple were missing, though almost all were there), PM'd the person leaving the negative and asked them to leave feedback in the new system. Everyone who had negative feedback either isn't around anymore or didn't carry their old feedback forward. All those requests for negatives were backed up by old feedback posts.

If a negative happens now, for a deal that never materialized, please contact a mod and let us know about this. Negatives shouldn't be left for trades that never happen, they should be left for completely fucked up trades, such as one person paid and the other party didn't get their games, or not all the items sold/traded arrived at the other party.

If you think you've been left a negative unfairly, please contact a mod. Make sure you can back it up, however.
 
After sitting on it and thinking for a couple days, I'd like to thank everybody who worked on the new feedback system. It seems to be working really well, and the interface is slick, too. I'd also like to thank everybody who took the time to reply to my questions in this thread.

I understand the whole system better now, and I'm glad it didn't turn into a fight.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']Am I missing something? The old threads won't open for me. I can't remember who I traded with. D'oh![/QUOTE] Give it a try now.
 
[quote name='ZForce915']Is it really fair for people to be able to leave negative feedback for trades that never happened? One of the negatives feedbacks I just read was because "he was supposed to buy my games". That sucks, but since no transaction took place, there is no feedback to be left.[/QUOTE]

The way CAG's trades are set up, once you agree to the trade, you really shouldn't back out. If someone agrees to a trade with me, and tells me my items are on the way, or soon to be on the way, and I don't get them, even if I didn't send out my part of the trade yet, I'd consider that worthy of a negative feedback. The transaction was supposed to take place, but didn't, which warrants the negative IMO.
 
[quote name='Trakan']The way CAG's trades are set up, once you agree to the trade, you really shouldn't back out. If someone agrees to a trade with me, and tells me my items are on the way, or soon to be on the way, and I don't get them, even if I didn't send out my part of the trade yet, I'd consider that worthy of a negative feedback. The transaction was supposed to take place, but didn't, which warrants the negative IMO.[/QUOTE]

I think that's a better explanation. Once terms are agreed to, information exchanged and the deal finalized, it's a done deal.

When money changes hands or product gets shipped, there is no backing out.
 
Dam, I browse here all the time and somehow I overlooked the whole feedback change thing. Now I have a big fat zero for feedback. I must have been so focused on the cheap deals that I was oblivious to the feedback transition.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']I think that's a better explanation. Once terms are agreed to, information exchanged and the deal finalized, it's a done deal.

When money changes hands or product gets shipped, there is no backing out.[/QUOTE]

soooo...for example, shrike you "reserved"
a game for someone for almost a week or so. at the end of the week they pm you saying nevermind but thanks for holding it temporarily. does this cancellation warrant a neg?

also, is there a way to retract negatives if both parties agree. say i neg you for backing out of a alleged deal, and you neg me back claiming that you ignored pm explaining situation. is there anyway for each party to cancel feedback? it just seems that if we open up a can of worms for "supposed to pay/trade deals" then negs are gonna be flying all over the place.

I think everyone on the board should handle their inventory accordingly. If someone like shrike says he would like me to reserve a copy of whatever for him, then i will for an agreed amount of time within reason. if a new CAG asks the same thing, i might give him a couple of days at most, but if another opportunity arises after that to sell/trade then i'm taking it without asking the first CAG if he plans on doing the deal. do i deserve a neg for selling to the CAG who was able to commit to the deal first? IMO no.

May have to institute some ToS
First come first served. No shirts no shoes no service. Money talks bullshit pms walk. Put up or shut up.
 
[quote name='gaelan']soooo...for example, shrike you "reserved"
a game for someone for almost a week or so. at the end of the week they pm you saying nevermind but thanks for holding it temporarily. does this cancellation warrant a neg?[/quote]

As I've done this frequently for people, and ask them periodically about their intentions, IMHO, not this wouldn't warrant a negative, since no money has exchanged hands. Again, IMHO, others may think differently.

[quote name='gaelan']salso, is there a way to retract negatives if both parties agree. say i neg you for backing out of a alleged deal, and you neg me back claiming that you ignored pm explaining situation. is there anyway for each party to cancel feedback? it just seems that if we open up a can of worms for "supposed to pay/trade deals" then negs are gonna be flying all over the place.[/quote]

I'm guessing you're thinking along the lines of eBay's mutual feedback withdrawal? Again, IMHO, anything that is that flaming back and forth should have someone else's involvement, such as myself, and see where the situation works itself out to be. Negatives should only be used for really fucked up situations, and the only negatives that were attempted to be carried forward were the ones that were already in existance. No one that had a negative carried their feedback forward, and I thought that wasn't fair to the other parties that left them. All the negatives I saw had valid reasons behind them and I contacted all the OP's in question and asked them to have their negatives left in the old system.

[quote name='gaelan'] I think everyone on the board should handle their inventory accordingly. If someone like shrike says he would like me to reserve a copy of whatever for him, then i will for an agreed amount of time within reason. if a new CAG asks the same thing, i might give him a couple of days at most, but if another opportunity arises after that to sell/trade then i'm taking it without asking the first CAG if he plans on doing the deal. do i deserve a neg for selling to the CAG who was able to commit to the deal first? IMO no.[/quote]

I queue up want lists behind items that have more than one person looking at it, and do it as first in (PM or post), first dibs. They have right of refusal, and then it goes to the next person. They get a couple of days to sit on it, then they get a PM as a reminder, with the fact that other people are looking at the same item. Usually jogs them into action to buy or to back out. Occasionally has caused a small bit of hard feelings, though nothing that I'd be worried about generating a negative. So far, it's worked for me. It's your responsibility to keep in touch with people you're working on deals with, and if they repeatedly don't respond to PM's about the issue, and they've been online for a reasonable amount of time, then it's your perogative to do what you want on that. Could it get someone pissed off at you? Yes, it could, though it's your issue to deal with. IF they leave you a flaming negative over the issue, then that's something that needs to be addressed.

[quote name='gaelan'] May have to institute some ToS
First come first served. No shirts no shoes no service. Money talks bullshit pms walk. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]

Any issues like that are ones you need to work out with your prospective clients. Very important to keep all the PM's relavent to the situation on-hand so that digging them up when needed isn't an issue. The PM download feature is perfect for this.
 
Right now, it's showing that I have a rating of 0. The old thread showed me having a 2, and I've done at least one more since then. Can this be updated?
 
[quote name='Noonan4224']Right now, it's showing that I have a rating of 0. The old thread showed me having a 2, and I've done at least one more since then. Can this be updated?[/QUOTE]
This is explained in the first post. You need to get the people who traded with you to redo your feedback in the new system.
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']This is explained in the first post. You need to get the people who traded with you to redo your feedback in the new system.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, didn't read down far enough...
 
How do I leave feedback for a trade that was just completed? I'm giving up on getting the 4 trades I completed in the past into the new system.
EDIT: I finally found it after looking for the third time.
 
[quote name='mobster011']alright got it. thanks. sucks that i lost my older 6 positive comments but oh well. it was only 6.[/QUOTE]

Use the Search function to look for your name in the Feedback threads, and ask the people who left you feedback to leave you feedback in the new system. PM them a link to the old feedback and then, they should be able to leave you feedback.

It's completely up to you at this point to track down the people to leave you feedback in the new system. The tally thread isn't going anywhere, and it has links in it to the four old feedback posting threads.
 
[quote name='dracula']when i go to http://forumdisplay.php/?f=40 site i get a "The page cannot be displayed" so i cant leave feedbacks(i dont think?)

or am i going to the wrong place to leave FB?[/QUOTE]

The easy way is to search for the user you want to leave feedback for or find one of their posts. Click on the user name and select view public profile. Next to the name in the profile should be a number, clicking on this number will bring you to their feedback list where you can view all feedback left for them and you can also leave new feedback.
 
[quote name='Dok Diamond']man i had some good feedback before, what happened to it[/QUOTE]

It wasn't carried over. If you want your old feedback to be included I would suggest PMing everyone who you traded with and ask them to leave you feedback again under the new system.
 
man it's been a few weeks since I did a deal with jrutz, and I noticed he hasn't left any feedback for anyone except shrike. what gives? he has a 50 feedback score, yet he's only left 2 for others? and he's ignoring my PMs too I want my feedback!
 
[quote name='Renegade_Zero']man it's been a few weeks since I did a deal with jrutz, and I noticed he hasn't left any feedback for anyone except shrike. what gives? he has a 50 feedback score, yet he's only left 2 for others? and he's ignoring my PMs too I want my feedback![/QUOTE]
He already explained it in his thread.
On May 26th.
[quote name='jrutz']I get quite a few PMs about me leaving feedback - all I can say is be patient. I will be leaving feedback for everyone once I make sure everyone has received their packages. Thanks!

Jeremy[/QUOTE]
On May 27th.
[quote name='jrutz']FYI I'll be away from Saturday to Saturday. I'm having the mods lock the thread while I'm gone.[/QUOTE]

He hasn't been active since then, so he probably is actually on vacation? And besides, feedback is optional; if I had feedback for every trade I've done I'd have like 10 more in my rating.
 
[quote name='judyjudyjudy']He already explained it in his thread.
On May 26th.

On May 27th.


He hasn't been active since then, so he probably is actually on vacation? And besides, feedback is optional; if I had feedback for every trade I've done I'd have like 10 more in my rating.[/QUOTE]


ok, but I just wanted it, becuase being my first deal on CAG, I think it would look better if I had one feedback instead of zero when I'm trading but thanks I didn't see that.
 
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