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cowboys have 42.11 million in cap space with 14.30 in cap pen
2014 season is 30.85 cap pen. they might be ok for this season but next season are more than likely done for with that much in cap pen but its still possible
 
[quote name='staticz']I'm sure they are fixable. It'll be the future years (like the panthers) they may be screwed. Those cap penalties are going to seriously handicap them. Depending on the cap space this year they might be screwed already.

Edit: yeah 15mil in penalties is about where the panthers were. They can probably sign them to one year deals but that team will be hurting next year.[/QUOTE]

Yeah those penalties will screw them over for sure. Season 3 will not be kind to the Cowboys, lol
 
once someone gets on the cowboys team and goes to the re sign area to find out that cap space for the next season we can find out where this team really stands cap space wise for next year
 
[quote name='DVO21']once someone gets on the cowboys team and goes to the re sign area to find out that cap space for the next season we can find out where this team really stands cap space wise for next year[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing njrockpd is at work. Since he specifically asked about the team, we'll wait to see if he wants them. Once we know, we'll go from there.
 
According to my calculations, (Adjusts Glasses)

The Cowboys currently have
42.11M Cap Space
-14.30M
= 27.81M Cap Space

Cap Space = 27.81M
Salaries of FAs = 28.95M
Left Over Cap = -1.14 (Negative)

I will summarize by saying that they do not have the space. A few cuts and it might be possible though.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']According to my calculations, (Adjusts Glasses)

The Cowboys currently have
42.11M Cap Space
-14.30M
= 27.81M Cap Space

Cap Space = 27.81M
Salaries of FAs = 28.95M
Left Over Cap = -1.14 (Negative)

I will summarize by saying that they do not have the space. A few cuts and it might be possible though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, so that's definitely doable for this year. They'd just need to cut a less important player who is overpaid, and then they could re-sign all of the really good players that were cut. It doesn't paint a pretty picture for future seasons, but it's at least a starting point.
 
If they do that, and then we leave them as "restricted" free agents in the offseason if they don't re-up right away I think the team is salvageable. the new owner will have to build the team in season 3, rather than do a big free agent splash.
 
Following up my previous questions about bad negotiating from the previous owner/CPU, will the first day of free agency be like the last offseason where we'll get a chance to sign our guys on the first day before others can take them?

My recent opponent explained how this worked last season and this would get around my issue of losing players that I didn't get a chance to negotiate with.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']I thought the 1 week being a "restricted" type of free agency worked out well and wouldn't have a problem if we did that again[/QUOTE]

honestly, I'd rather it just be limited to certain teams/players but other guys are open all 3 weeks. I think it hurt the league only having 2 weeks of true FA signing for other people who were available
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']honestly, I'd rather it just be limited to certain teams/players but other guys are open all 3 weeks. I think it hurt the league only having 2 weeks of true FA signing for other people who were available[/QUOTE]

Agreed, maybe only teams that the owner was switched during the season, even teams that trade for a player know the risk of not being able to resign a player.
 
[quote name='Ultimate Matt X']Following up my previous questions about bad negotiating from the previous owner/CPU, will the first day of free agency be like the last offseason where we'll get a chance to sign our guys on the first day before others can take them?

My recent opponent explained how this worked last season and this would get around my issue of losing players that I didn't get a chance to negotiate with.[/QUOTE]

The only reason this was done in season one was because some teams were mistakenly left on autopilot when we advanced...which prevented them from being able to negotiate with their own free agents at all. In many cases, the CPU just allowed all of the players to become free agents.

[quote name='Blade3D']Agreed, maybe only teams that the owner was switched during the season, even teams that trade for a player know the risk of not being able to resign a player.[/QUOTE]

That would be my only hesitation. Teams with new owners very easily could get screwed out of players. But honestly, we have plenty of time to figure out how to deal with that. We're halfway through this season and have a destroyed team to worry about right now. The offseason is the furthest thing from my mind right now.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']The only reason this was done in season one was because some teams were mistakenly left on autopilot when we advanced...which prevented them from being able to negotiate with their own free agents at all. In many cases, the CPU just allowed all of the players to become free agents.



That would be my only hesitation. Teams with new owners very easily could get screwed out of players. But honestly, we have plenty of time to figure out how to deal with that. We're halfway through this season and have a destroyed team to worry about right now. The offseason is the furthest thing from my mind right now.[/QUOTE]

What is the cowboys record. If it's better than the chargers I'll take the cowboys and deal with the mess.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Agreed, maybe only teams that the owner was switched during the season, even teams that trade for a player know the risk of not being able to resign a player.[/QUOTE]


I'd like to see it just be a list of guys who owners couldnt resign due to either new ownership or trades, while the rest of FA is open. The list of off-limits guys is done before FA starts (if Nate wants help I'll gladly volunteer as would some of the committee I'm sure) and anybody who makes an offer on an off-limits guys gets a strike. This way we can have 3 full weeks of offers for guys who are actually available in FA.
 
[quote name='njrockpd']What is the cowboys record. If it's better than the chargers I'll take the cowboys and deal with the mess.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'll get your invite sent here in a little bit and you can get to work on piecing that roster back together.

[quote name='GamerDude316']I'd like to see it just be a list of guys who owners couldnt resign due to either new ownership or trades, while the rest of FA is open. The list of off-limits guys is done before FA starts (if Nate wants help I'll gladly volunteer as would some of the committee I'm sure) and anybody who makes an offer on an off-limits guys gets a strike. This way we can have 3 full weeks of offers for guys who are actually available in FA.[/QUOTE]

If it can actually be determined what players people legitimately got screwed on, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I definitely don't have time to sort that out though, so anybody who wants to put together a reasonable list, I'll take a look at it.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Ok, I'll get your invite sent here in a little bit and you can get to work on piecing that roster back together.



If it can actually be determined what players people legitimately got screwed on, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I definitely don't have time to sort that out though, so anybody who wants to put together a reasonable list, I'll take a look at it.[/QUOTE]


It would definitely have to rely somewhat on the honor system, but the basic gist of it would be guys on teams that had owner changes (so the Browns, Packers, Cowboys, I dont think any other teams have had new user owners who werent previously CPU controlled) and 1 year guys dealt in trades, which is pretty easy to track since we can go back and look at any trade in the thread. I'd definitely volunteer to help with that when the offseason comes around.
 
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[quote name='GamerDude316']It would definitely have to rely somewhat on the honor system, but the basic gist of it would be guys on teams that had owner changes (so the Browns, Packers, Cowboys, I dont think any other teams have had new user owners who werent previously CPU controlled) and 1 year guys dealt in trades, which is pretty easy to track since we can go back and look at any trade in the thread. I'd definitely volunteer to help with that when the offseason comes around.[/QUOTE]

See I don't think including players that were traded is fair. Some people will take them then just to get to offer them a long term contract. I really feel it should be more like a rental and you get lucky and resign them. Isn't that how the trade committee views it during a trade? If not then guys with 1 year left would have to be considered differently. Dwayne Bowe has this season left so its not like I wouldn't be affected by this.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']See I don't think including players that were traded is fair. Some people will take them then just to get to offer them a long term contract. I really feel it should be more like a rental and you get lucky and resign them. Isn't that how the trade committee views it during a trade? If not then guys with 1 year left would have to be considered differently. Dwayne Bowe has this season left so its not like I wouldn't be affected by this.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I think including final year players is coddling too much. Honesty, I don't like that the other league does it. It's one thing if you're a new owner and your players were negotiated with before you got there. But if you actively orchestrated a trade, and then that player decides he wants no part of your team, isn't that just the way things go? That happens in real life. This concept of "dibs" just feels incredibly phony to me.

[quote name='pitfallharry219']Is CAG being wonky for anybody else right now?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, CAG was broken for a good while. Beyonce strikes again!
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I agree. I think including final year players is coddling too much. Honesty, I don't like that the other league does it. It's one thing if you're a new owner and your players were negotiated with before you got there. But if you actively orchestrated a trade, and then that player decides he wants no part of your team, isn't that just the way things go? That happens in real life. This concept of "dibs" just feels incredibly phony to me.



Yeah, CAG was broken for a good while. Beyonce strikes again![/QUOTE]

But you dont even get to make an offer on a traded guy for him to decide on. Thats the part that is so unrealistic to me. I think you should get one shot to offer a traded guy a good deal (and you'll have to overpay a little for him probably with how the CPU handles negotiations) but its downright silly to me that a traded player would just walk away from his new team without ever listening to a contract offer from them. To me, that's as phony as it gets.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']But you dont even get to make an offer on a traded guy for him to decide on. Thats the part that is so unrealistic to me. I think you should get one shot to offer a traded guy a good deal (and you'll have to overpay a little for him probably with how the CPU handles negotiations) but its downright silly to me that a traded player would just walk away from his new team without ever listening to a contract offer from them. To me, that's as phony as it gets.[/QUOTE]

What about guys who are traded to teams and they're not happy about the trade at all? I realize that it probably doesn't happen as much as it used to because now team's wouldn't trade for the player if they didn't think they'd be able to re-sign him. I don't know. I'm open to ideas. I just don't like the idea of "dibs", that traded players in the final year of their deal can ONLY be offered contracts by their current team. If anything, I'd rather just apply our contract rules to those guys (ie. current team can offer 7 year deal...while new teams can only offer length player is asking for). At least that way, the player would have to turn down a really huge contract if he wanted to leave town that badly. If you just give his current team "dibs", you're basically just relying on the Madden logic that "no players sign in the first week of free agency", which to me hasn't really been all that true.
 
are you gonna have to wait until dallas is figured out before advancing? or can i start to make plans for playing our next weeks game?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']What about guys who are traded to teams and they're not happy about the trade at all? I realize that it probably doesn't happen as much as it used to because now team's wouldn't trade for the player if they didn't think they'd be able to re-sign him. I don't know. I'm open to ideas. I just don't like the idea of "dibs", that traded players in the final year of their deal can ONLY be offered contracts by their current team. If anything, I'd rather just apply our contract rules to those guys (ie. current team can offer 7 year deal...while new teams can only offer length player is asking for). At least that way, the player would have to turn down a really huge contract if he wanted to leave town that badly. If you just give his current team "dibs", you're basically just relying on the Madden logic that "no players sign in the first week of free agency", which to me hasn't really been all that true.[/QUOTE]

If a player wants to test the open market, they have that right. Lets not forget about the franchise tag. I had to use mine last offseason. It's there for a reason.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']What about guys who are traded to teams and they're not happy about the trade at all? I realize that it probably doesn't happen as much as it used to because now team's wouldn't trade for the player if they didn't think they'd be able to re-sign him. I don't know. I'm open to ideas. I just don't like the idea of "dibs", that traded players in the final year of their deal can ONLY be offered contracts by their current team. If anything, I'd rather just apply our contract rules to those guys (ie. current team can offer 7 year deal...while new teams can only offer length player is asking for). At least that way, the player would have to turn down a really huge contract if he wanted to leave town that badly. If you just give his current team "dibs", you're basically just relying on the Madden logic that "no players sign in the first week of free agency", which to me hasn't really been all that true.[/QUOTE]


We're talking about a video game here. It is completely unrealistic that a traded player in the final year of his deal wouldnt even show up in the resign players section of the offseason for that team. This is bad programming by EA (surprise surprise) but its foolish to punish owners by not having him even consider an offer. All I'm saying is that, in that first week of FA, let that team have exclusive rights to negotiate with him as their resign window basically. If after that, he turns down the offer, than of course he's free to sign. You may not like the idea of "dibs", but I (and I'm sure I'm not the only owner who thinks this) don't like the idea of a guy not even considering resigning with his team because EA screwed up their programming.
 
njrockpd isn't on right now. Until he gets on to take over Dallas and fix their roster, we can't advance. If this upsets anybody, go send ballinhun8 a nice thank you note. His gamertag is Romeromania3.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Better then the chargers by a two or three games.[/QUOTE]

The Cowboys and Chargers each have 1 win. The outcome of the Cowboys week 9 game has yet to be determined.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']njrockpd isn't on right now. Until he gets on to take over Dallas and fix their roster, we can't advance. If this upsets anybody, go send ballinhun8 a nice thank you note. His gamertag is Romeromania3.[/QUOTE]

I'm waiting to speak to someone from microsoft, they cancelled my XBOX Live because the auto payment was on an old card. They won't allow me to add a new card until I settle the old bill, which is on a no longer existent card. So I'm waiting to get them on the phone to get it settled.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']See I don't think including players that were traded is fair. Some people will take them then just to get to offer them a long term contract. I really feel it should be more like a rental and you get lucky and resign them. Isn't that how the trade committee views it during a trade? If not then guys with 1 year left would have to be considered differently. Dwayne Bowe has this season left so its not like I wouldn't be affected by this.[/QUOTE]

While I understand both sides, this sums up my feelings on this as well.
 
[quote name='njrockpd']I'm waiting to speak to someone from microsoft, they cancelled my XBOX Live because the auto payment was on an old card. They won't allow me to add a new card until I settle the old bill, which is on a no longer existent card. So I'm waiting to get them on the phone to get it settled.[/QUOTE]

I blame this on ballinhun8 too...or Beyonce.

[quote name='njrockpd']Troy said the Cowboys had 2 or 3 more wins?[/QUOTE]

That's what we like to call bad intel, lol.

[quote name='njrockpd']Well in that case would you guys be able to advance sooner if i TOok the chargers?[/QUOTE]

I guess technically. We'll still need someone to squat the Cowboys to re-sign those players...but I guess if everyone else is human controlled (and not on autopilot), we don't have to worry about those players getting signed. But you'd have to get on and actually take the Chargers before we could advance anyway. I sent you an invite.

I also went ahead and made sure everybody is off of autopilot (which was Kaster, uber, and FrankySox), so I can just click advance on the website whenever njrockpd is able to join. And now...I'm going to go make a sandwich. No, really...I am. :)
 
[quote name='njrockpd']I'm logging on now. I'll take the Cowboys it's official. I'll clean up the mess.[/QUOTE]

Haha, thanks man. Actually, I just thought of something. You could clean up the mess, and then drop and take the Chargers if you wanted. That would at least get those high end players out of free agency. Totally up to you though. If you'd rather play as the Cowboys, you're welcome to have them.
 
Here's some helpful info for you too that Dark Rider was kind enough to put together. Hopefully this will make it a bit easier on you.

[quote name='Dark Rider']FYI: The Cowboys have dropped the following players. DO NOT PICK THEM UP! They belong to the next Cowboys owner, after the current owners tantrum.

Jason Witten
DeMarcus Ware
Brandon Carr
Tyron Smith
Anthony Spencer
Sean Lee
Miles Austin
Morris Claiborne
Jay Ratliff

Just another note, they currently have 15M in cap penalties in 2013, and 30M in 2014. Basically, they are fucked.

Once again: DO NOT SIGN ANY OF THE LISTED PLAYERS![/QUOTE]

[quote name='Dark Rider']According to my calculations, (Adjusts Glasses)

The Cowboys currently have
42.11M Cap Space
-14.30M
= 27.81M Cap Space

Cap Space = 27.81M
Salaries of FAs = 28.95M
Left Over Cap = -1.14 (Negative)

I will summarize by saying that they do not have the space. A few cuts and it might be possible though.[/QUOTE]
 
Ok, it looks like he re-signed all those players and is still showing as having $9.95M in cap space. Not sure how that happened, but that's better than expected.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ok, it looks like he re-signed all those players and is still showing as having $9.95M in cap space. Not sure how that happened, but that's better than expected.[/QUOTE]

That's without the penalties.
 
I could only sign them to one year deals. I'll make it work but the cowboys are ready to make a comeback after a GM change.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']That's without the penalties.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so.

Cowboys
2013 Cap: $130.00M
Salaries: $105.65M
2013 Cap Penalty: $14.40M
Cap Space: $9.95M

Subtract salaries and cap penalty from the 2013 cap, and you're left with the cap space.

[quote name='njrockpd']I could only sign them to one year deals. I'll make it work but the cowboys are ready to make a comeback after a GM change.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, unfortunately, that's how in season signings work.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I don't think so.

Cowboys
2013 Cap: $130.00M
Salaries: $105.65M
2013 Cap Penalty: $14.40M
Cap Space: $9.95M

Subtract salaries and cap penalty from the 2013 cap, and you're left with the cap space.

[/QUOTE]

Huh. I guess I read the menus wrong. Sounds like the Cowboys are in good shape for now!
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']Huh. I guess I read the menus wrong. Sounds like the Cowboys are in good shape for now![/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's not as bad as it could be. The tough part will be re-signing all those guys with an even bigger cap hit for 2014. The only silver lining I could see for Dallas is that they have very few other expiring contracts....so those guys that were cut are really going to be the main focus.
 
Broncos and Dolphins should be going down at 10p EST.

Just a note to anyone I play, is that I have a mic if you want to chat while we play. Even if you can't speak English you will probably be better company than the Madden Commentators.

"It's a short gain and it's all the Running Back's fault. He picked the wrong hole, and decided to cut it back in."
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']Broncos and Dolphins should be going down at 10p EST.

Just a note to anyone I play, is that I have a mic if you want to chat while we play. Even if you can't speak English you will probably be better company than the Madden Commentators.

"It's a short gain and it's all the Running Back's fault. He picked the wrong hole, and decided to cut it back in."[/QUOTE]

LOL.. I was cracking up during the superbowl when Nantz said, "even when he's covered, he's open"
 
[quote name='Blade3D']See I don't think including players that were traded is fair. Some people will take them then just to get to offer them a long term contract. I really feel it should be more like a rental and you get lucky and resign them. Isn't that how the trade committee views it during a trade? If not then guys with 1 year left would have to be considered differently. Dwayne Bowe has this season left so its not like I wouldn't be affected by this.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this for those that have been here. In season 1 nobody was sure if you could or couldn't resign them, but the people that have been here know by now that trading for a 1-year left contract is risky since it's possibly just a rental.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']LOL.. I was cracking up during the superbowl when Nantz said, "even when he's covered, he's open"[/QUOTE]

My favorite was "The more angles I see, the more confused I get"
 
so i play the chargers do i need to wait to play my game or am i good to go just wanted to check since things have been a little crazy around here today i didnt want to add to anymore of the craziness so i thought i would ask first
 
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