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[quote name='Konfusion']This is really lame. I've had Flacco in contention for some AFC awards up until this point and those awards give nice XP bonus. Its been a close race up until this. I've played my CPU games honestly and ran the ball a ton in the second half of games I am up big. Had a game earlier in the season where I had like 6 first half passing touchdowns. I could've had all the records too, but it was clearly the wrong move in my eyes. Sad to see this.[/QUOTE]

This is truly where the trouble begins. Arent the awards worth like 50k xp?
 
[quote name='GpNinja']Ya I understand I am not defending anything I shoudn't have done it but we all make mistakes.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for at least owning up to it. Like I said, although I believe the offence is worthy of punishment, it's more on me for not having a policy written up in black and white. I just hope we never have another member come through here going "Herp derp, why are there so many rules and policies??? Just let people play the game, bro!" like we had earlier in this franchise.

Also, I had this next part typed up already...and it's probably going to sound harsh, but I just want to put it out there for everyone's benefit, so hopefully we never see this kind of crap again. It's not directed at you because obviously you're not the first person to ever do it. It's a pretty common problem.

[quote name='KasterDB']So how many times does it need to be said? If you're up by several possessions in the 4th quarter, there's no reason to pass. If they're blitzing, you run the ball. End the game. Punting it isn't the end of the world.[/QUOTE]

I truly believe that a lot of people who play Madden are simply too ignorant to grasp this concept. It's as though people think the only acceptable outcome for a drive is scoring...even with a 30 point lead.

The scenario is so preposterous, it really can't even be categorized as rational thought. Allow me to paint a picture. Say you're up 45-14 when the 4th quarter begins...well, your defense was good enough to hold your opponent to 14 points through 3 quarters...so even if you didn't score a single point for the rest of the game, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that they are able to come back from that kind of deficit in one quarter.

You're also going to KNOW 100% that they have to throw the ball (and if they don't...and you give up a 20 yard run...who the fuck cares? Let them waste their own clock). So, you can sit back in your dime or quarter defense and tell your guys to anticipate the pass...and just wait on the easy INT to come. It is so EXTREMELY unlikely that they will be successful in coming back, anyone's assertion that they fear a comeback in that situation (vs CPU/human/superhero/Jesus/etc) is incredibly moronic.

What this basically shows is that people have no comprehension of what a real football game is or what real playcalling involves. If they paid attention at all, they would notice that the 4th quarter in almost every blowout game is basically irrelevant. It's two teams trading possessions for 15 minutes. I would be embarrassed to call myself a fan of the sport and not be able to grasp such a fundamental concept.
 
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I just ordered a new TV for gaming, looking forward to playing my Madden games on it.

EDIT: I just looked at my box score and I did score 14 points in the 4th quarter. I am almost positive those were runs or one might have been a pick 6, and I ran out the clock as much as I could in the 4th quarter. I just wanted to clarify.
 
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[quote name='Dark Rider']
NFC
1. (y) 49ers (12-0)
2. (x) Lions (11-0)
3. Eagles (8-3)
4. Saints (7-5)
5. Vikings (7-4)
6. Seahawks (7-4)

In the Hunt:
Cardinals (7-5)
Buccaneers (5-7)

Needs Help:
Redskins (5-7)
Bears (5-7)
[/QUOTE]

I'm 7-5 :p

NFC Wildcard is very tight. The website actually has the cards ahead of me, but I believe I win that due to the head-to-head tiebreaker (2-0). He does have a better conference record though, which may bite me in a 3 team tie.

For some reason I thought me, the cards, and the Vikes were all going for one spot. Now that I look at it this way, it looks like there will be just one odd man out. Big game vs. the Vikes next week--will win both head-to-head tiebreakers if I can come out of there with a win.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']I'm 6-6.[/QUOTE]
This is why you leave playoff updates to the pros, Dark Rider ;)

In other news, Vikings DBs were complete imbeciles in every facet of the game as Detroit wins 41-7 in a very clean ball game. Troy, that insane Jerome Simpson catch where he dropped it, then the ball hit your defender's head and I guess that made it easier for Simpson to handle and catch the ball is my moral victory of the game. Just fyi :D
 
[quote name='slofton']This is truly where the trouble begins. Arent the awards worth like 50k xp?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what the numbers are exactly. I did a quick google search and couldn't find any. I do know that it is a significant amount of XP. I did an offline franchise recently with the Redskins and had RG3 win a few season awards and he had well over 100k xp to use after the regular season ended. I was mainly going after the AFC QB of the year award, so idk what that particular one gives, but even if its only 25k or something like that, it would be huge for developing Flacco's accuracy. N8 probably has a better idea on the amount of XP you would get for having a big year with a guy, since he had Chris Johnson last season.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']This is why you leave playoff updates to the pros, Dark Rider ;)[/QUOTE]

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Now that I see all this about being up in the fourth quarter and not throwing I have to say something. I thought Superstar really tried to run it up on me last game, throwing in the fourth up by three scores, and continuing to do so til the end of the game.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']This is why you leave playoff updates to the pros, Dark Rider ;)

In other news, Vikings DBs were complete imbeciles in every facet of the game as Detroit wins 41-7 in a very clean ball game. Troy, that insane Jerome Simpson catch where he dropped it, then the ball hit your defender's head and I guess that made it easier for Simpson to handle and catch the ball is my moral victory of the game. Just fyi :D[/QUOTE]

Ya that was the most amazing madden catch I have ever saw in my life. I was so mad at the end of the game that I couldn't save a replay of it. I was downright excited for you lol. Shaun hill showed me why I'm paying him and got to play the second half, and Jared Allen absolutely LEVELED my RB.

Kaster got maddened pretty hard in terms of coughing the ball up. Suh crushed his qb twice and he lost the ball both times. The box score def doesn't tell the story in this game. Another gg with kaster 2-2 vs him in madden this year.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']Now that I see all this about being up in the fourth quarter and not throwing I have to say something. I thought Superstar really tried to run it up on me last game, throwing in the fourth up by three scores, and continuing to do so til the end of the game.[/QUOTE]

This is a pretty serious accusation and a strike-worthy offence. I'm going to need you to be more specific here. What was the score and situation? I generally think of "3 scores" as at least a 17 point lead, since 2 TDs with 2 point conversions would net 16 points. And if that was the case and he was still throwing beyond the 2 minute warning, then we definitely have a problem.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']Now that I see all this about being up in the fourth quarter and not throwing I have to say something. I thought Superstar really tried to run it up on me last game, throwing in the fourth up by three scores, and continuing to do so til the end of the game.[/QUOTE]

Is there any way to go back and look At the plays? I remember running most of the second half. I also remember most of my points coming from interceptions\short fields. I just went back and looked and I had 3 interceptions.

I thought the rule was you could mix up pass\run just not bomb it 80 yards every play up until the 2 minute warning or so.

I specifically remember running to the red zone and kneeling it down instead of scoring to end the game. Since the last time I have been cautious about this. I am always worried to throw a pass at all if I am ahead lol.

If I was trying to run the score up I would have punched in it, or tried to.

Edit: Also if I was throwing a lot then my time of possession would have been down quite a bit. My time of possession was 11:56 and yours was 8:04. Mine was a lot more because I was running a lot and chewing up clock.
 
both AFC and NFC are both tight this leagues playoff runs are going to be interested till the very end
 
i see an easy solution. instead of a strike, if you are flagrantly running up the score, put the QB on a suspension for a game or two. or increase how often injuries appear. could look at the player who has an insane amount (ie a TE having 30 catches in a game) or throw attempts and put them on suspension. i feel like in this case you HAVE to prove it. if its he said she said then what does n8 really have to go on?
 
[quote name='billymcdugal']i see an easy solution. instead of a strike, if you are flagrantly running up the score, put the QB on a suspension for a game or two. or increase how often injuries appear. could look at the player who has an insane amount (ie a TE having 30 catches in a game) or throw attempts and put them on suspension. i feel like in this case you HAVE to prove it. if its he said she said then what does n8 really have to go on?[/QUOTE]

There are some people who can dominate with a backup QB as well, haha. It's also possible that a team has 2 great QB's.

Another thing is it's hard to prove either way unless someone takes video or a picture of the plays at the end of the game eh.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']You say this as though you were disappointed in the amount of XP he was awarded for your "efforts" of blatantly running up the score and throwing 9 TD passes. This proves nothing.

This is a terrible defense and it's not even remotely close to being acceptable. But since there wasn't a clear policy on the subject, you weren't even given a warning strike, here. It would, however, be in your best interest to not act defensive or smug about it...or you will get one. Just be thankful you got away with this one and move on.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but this is some bullshit. If I had known that I could throw the ball the entire game and put up 70+ on the CPU AND get away without even a warning, I probably would have considered doing that. I know I'm not the only one who has had opportunities to do that and instead ran the ball like we are supposed to. I really have a hard time believing he wasn't aware of the awards situation and I know it doesn't affect everyone, so they don't care, but I could potentially lose 2 awards because he was allowed to do that. Vincent Jackson and Andre Johnson were in a close race for AFC Best WR award and Stevie Johnson comes out of nowhere, puts up 260 yards and 4 TDs to grab the lead from us both. I already mentioned the QB award.

It's not like we haven't had this conversation multiple times(since i've been here) about passing the ball late in the game when you are up big. People have been called out and criticized on here for far less. People passing just once on third down late in the game and things like that. This situation is way worse than that. According to the box score, he only ran the ball 9 times. Passing the ball nearly 40 times in a clear blowout is not okay. That is just common sense. I played the Browns this week and he threw like 7 picks in a blowout loss. I kept running the ball in the second half even though the Browns were bringing 8 and 9 guys in the box every play. I would run the ball all 3 downs and punt because we have had this discussion before. I don't think it should have to be in some rule book for people to know that, especially someone who is active in the thread like Gp. He was clearly just going for stats, particularly ones that would get him better positioning in the awards races. I probably sound like a jackass for calling him out and caring about this stuff, but this is clearly wrong. XP is a huge part of connected careers mode, so I think it's a big deal.
 
[quote name='Konfusion']Sorry, but this is some bullshit. If I had known that I could throw the ball the entire game and put up 70+ on the CPU AND get away without even a warning, I probably would have considered doing that. I know I'm not the only one who has had opportunities to do that and instead ran the ball like we are supposed to. I really have a hard time believing he wasn't aware of the awards situation and I know it doesn't affect everyone, so they don't care, but I could potentially lose 2 awards because he was allowed to do that. Vincent Jackson and Andre Johnson were in a close race for AFC Best WR award and Stevie Johnson comes out of nowhere, puts up 260 yards and 4 TDs to grab the lead from us both. I already mentioned the QB award.

It's not like we haven't had this conversation multiple times(since i've been here) about passing the ball late in the game when you are up big. People have been called out and criticized on here for far less. People passing just once on third down late in the game and things like that. This situation is way worse than that. According to the box score, he only ran the ball 9 times. Passing the ball nearly 40 times in a clear blowout is not okay. That is just common sense. I played the Browns this week and he threw like 7 picks in a blowout loss. I kept running the ball in the second half even though the Browns were bringing 8 and 9 guys in the box every play. I would run the ball all 3 downs and punt because we have had this discussion before. I don't think it should have to be in some rule book for people to know that, especially someone who is active in the thread like Gp. He was clearly just going for stats, particularly ones that would get him better positioning in the awards races. I probably sound like a jackass for calling him out and caring about this stuff, but this is clearly wrong. XP is a huge part of connected careers mode, so I think it's a big deal.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='Dark Rider']
Playoff Picture:

AFC
1. Bills (10-2)
2. Chiefs (9-3)
3. Ravens (9-3)
4. Titans (8-4)
5. Bengals (8-4)
6. Broncos (8-4)

In the Hunt:
Jets (7-5)
Patriots (7-5)

Needs Help:
Texans (6-6)

NFC
1. (y) 49ers (12-0)
2. (x) Lions (12-0)
3. Eagles (9-3)
4. Saints (7-5)
5. Vikings (7-5)
6. Seahawks (7-5)

In the Hunt:
Cardinals (7-5)
Buccaneers (5-7)
Bears (6-6)

Needs Help:
Redskins (5-7)

Obviously everything could change, but it looks like it is going to come down to the wire for a lot of teams.[/QUOTE]

Sorry about the mix-up Pitfall. It's changed now.
 
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[quote name='Konfusion']Sorry, but this is some bullshit. If I had known that I could throw the ball the entire game and put up 70+ on the CPU AND get away without even a warning, I probably would have considered doing that. I know I'm not the only one who has had opportunities to do that and instead ran the ball like we are supposed to. I really have a hard time believing he wasn't aware of the awards situation and I know it doesn't affect everyone, so they don't care, but I could potentially lose 2 awards because he was allowed to do that. Vincent Jackson and Andre Johnson were in a close race for AFC Best WR award and Stevie Johnson comes out of nowhere, puts up 260 yards and 4 TDs to grab the lead from us both. I already mentioned the QB award.

It's not like we haven't had this conversation multiple times(since i've been here) about passing the ball late in the game when you are up big. People have been called out and criticized on here for far less. People passing just once on third down late in the game and things like that. This situation is way worse than that. According to the box score, he only ran the ball 9 times. Passing the ball nearly 40 times in a clear blowout is not okay. That is just common sense. I played the Browns this week and he threw like 7 picks in a blowout loss. I kept running the ball in the second half even though the Browns were bringing 8 and 9 guys in the box every play. I would run the ball all 3 downs and punt because we have had this discussion before. I don't think it should have to be in some rule book for people to know that, especially someone who is active in the thread like Gp. He was clearly just going for stats, particularly ones that would get him better positioning in the awards races. I probably sound like a jackass for calling him out and caring about this stuff, but this is clearly wrong. XP is a huge part of connected careers mode, so I think it's a big deal.[/QUOTE]


I agree. I think we've had enough discussions about what's running up the score and what's not for someone like gp to know the difference. I think this should be his warning strike personally.
 
My opinion on it is I'd put this on the same level as me being retarded and throwing on kaster a few weeks ago. Incredibly stupid to do and completely unnecessary (and as evidenced by our rematch today and private words between each other everything is back to normal between me and him). I feel like there should be some sort of action taken, this isn't just a random oops I dropped 9 tds. It's like Doom's bullshit excuse when he ran 480 yards on a team in the other league because he wanted the record. One of the reasons I stuck to just this league is I don't want any part of the cheese that takes place in madden and this league has by far been the cleanest I've played against.
 
[quote name='Superstar']Is there any way to go back and look At the plays? I remember running most of the second half. I also remember most of my points coming from interceptions\short fields. I just went back and looked and I had 3 interceptions.

I thought the rule was you could mix up pass\run just not bomb it 80 yards every play up until the 2 minute warning or so.

I specifically remember running to the red zone and kneeling it down instead of scoring to end the game. Since the last time I have been cautious about this. I am always worried to throw a pass at all if I am ahead lol.

If I was trying to run the score up I would have punched in it, or tried to.

Edit: Also if I was throwing a lot then my time of possession would have been down quite a bit. My time of possession was 11:56 and yours was 8:04. Mine was a lot more because I was running a lot and chewing up clock.[/QUOTE]

These really aren't great arguments and don't even really address the issue. If you're up 3 scores in the 4th, you run the ball. Period. It's not "mixing it up" anymore. If he forces you to punt, oh well. You've got a 3 score lead. Play defense. If he scores and cuts into your lead, then start "mixing it up" again.

Saying "I'm worried to throw the ball at all when I'm ahead" is a lazy defense. This has seriously been discussed ad nauseam, and it's not like anyone is trying to say that you shouldn't be throwing the ball in a 7 point game. The "Big Lead in the 4th Quarter" section of the OP outlines it pretty clearly. The issue I'm left with here is that nobody has actually clarified what the score was in the 4th quarter and how much time was left when you were still throwing the ball...which is the relevant information needed for either of you to be making your case.

[quote name='Konfusion']Sorry, but this is some bullshit. If I had known that I could throw the ball the entire game and put up 70+ on the CPU AND get away without even a warning, I probably would have considered doing that. I know I'm not the only one who has had opportunities to do that and instead ran the ball like we are supposed to. I really have a hard time believing he wasn't aware of the awards situation and I know it doesn't affect everyone, so they don't care, but I could potentially lose 2 awards because he was allowed to do that. Vincent Jackson and Andre Johnson were in a close race for AFC Best WR award and Stevie Johnson comes out of nowhere, puts up 260 yards and 4 TDs to grab the lead from us both. I already mentioned the QB award.

It's not like we haven't had this conversation multiple times(since i've been here) about passing the ball late in the game when you are up big. People have been called out and criticized on here for far less. People passing just once on third down late in the game and things like that. This situation is way worse than that. According to the box score, he only ran the ball 9 times. Passing the ball nearly 40 times in a clear blowout is not okay. That is just common sense. I played the Browns this week and he threw like 7 picks in a blowout loss. I kept running the ball in the second half even though the Browns were bringing 8 and 9 guys in the box every play. I would run the ball all 3 downs and punt because we have had this discussion before. I don't think it should have to be in some rule book for people to know that, especially someone who is active in the thread like Gp. He was clearly just going for stats, particularly ones that would get him better positioning in the awards races. I probably sound like a jackass for calling him out and caring about this stuff, but this is clearly wrong. XP is a huge part of connected careers mode, so I think it's a big deal.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with you...but if you can show me where we've had the conversation as it relates to CPU games, then you've got an argument. I would seriously like to give him a strike for it. But I'm also trying to be objective. You could definitely make the argument that he "should have known better" or that "we should all be above that", but I didn't have a specific policy on how to play the CPU written in the OP...which is the exact argument people give me when I try to regulate this kind of stuff.

So, I'm either punishing him retroactively for something that wasn't a rule...or I let him know that it wasn't right and won't be tolerated in the future, and fix the loophole in the OP. Either way, the damage is done. The game can't be unplayed. So, coming in here bitching about it isn't going to do anything except divert the attention to you...which is now causing me to argue with you about it. It's not helpful. And it's not a great road for us to be going down.

People keep comparing it to playing against a human opponent, but it just isn't the same thing. You're not wrong. But it's a different situation...and there wasn't a policy for that situation. The judgments that you're all making are arbitrary. If I give him a strike for this, then it sets a precedent for me giving a strike to anyone who does anything we don't like whether there's a rule against it or not. That's chaos.
 
Hey Nate, we can advance whenever, as all games have been completed. I look forward to my game this week with GpNinja. This game is huge in the AFC playoff picture.
 
We may not have had discussions specifically about the CPU but we have had discussions about running up the score and going for records/XP, which he definitely violated.
 
Ha--just noticed that the Madden gods put my Seahawks in night games in 3 games out of 4 in weeks 12-15. They knew everyone would be watching us...

....of course the last time I played two night games in a row was week 4-5 when I lost by a combined 44-7 to divisional opponents. Oh lerd.

EDIT: DVO: Bungles play the Browns.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']These really aren't great arguments and don't even really address the issue. If you're up 3 scores in the 4th, you run the ball. Period. It's not "mixing it up" anymore. If he forces you to punt, oh well. You've got a 3 score lead. Play defense. If he scores and cuts into your lead, then start "mixing it up" again.

Saying "I'm worried to throw the ball at all when I'm ahead" is a lazy defense. This has seriously been discussed ad nauseam, and it's not like anyone is trying to say that you shouldn't be throwing the ball in a 7 point game. The "Big Lead in the 4th Quarter" section of the OP outlines it pretty clearly. The issue I'm left with here is that nobody has actually clarified what the score was in the 4th quarter and how much time was left when you were still throwing the ball...which is the relevant information needed for either of you to be making your case. [/QUOTE]

Saying that i am worried to throw the ball wasn't meant as a defense, it's just seriously how I feel. I have been extra cautious. I kept running the ball. I ran it more times then I usually do because I was in the lead. I think I ran it 20-25 times. I usually only run 5-10 times in a game, because I am not good at it. I just happened to have running success in this game for some reason.

I was getting stopped in the 4th quarter from running, and I was playing defense. He was passing in the 4th (in obvious passing situations since he was behind) and since I knew he was throwing I kept stopping him.

The score was 45 to 10 and I honestly only remember scoring 7 points in the entire second half. I remember the score still being 45-10 with 2 minutes to go. I had the ball and kept running. I got to 1st and goal and took a knee to end the game.

I guess the frustrating thing is that it's impossible to prove either side and I know that I was being cautious. There were plenty of times that I could have scored more points but I opted not to. Not that I want to be praised for that because that's what you SHOULD do.
 
[quote name='DVO21']thanks lexxon hope ur Peehawks the best of luck in the rest of the season[/QUOTE]

Hey now. That's not nice.

...best of luck to you too!
 
still cant believe how close the playoff race is its great that we have found a good balance im hoping i dont make a mistake a miss out on the playoffs it would be my first time making hte playoffs in either league although ive been close once in the official league and close in here a few times its exciting
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']We may not have had discussions specifically about the CPU but we have had discussions about running up the score and going for records/XP, which he definitely violated.[/QUOTE]

Discussions aren't the same as rules in the OP. And I have to abide by things I can enforce, otherwise people have nothing to follow. To me, it's pointless wasting time complaining about something that can't be undone. So, the only thing to decide is whether a strike should be given for an unwritten rule. To me, not going down that slippery slope is more important than any "justice" that would be served here. And to be quite honest, I've explained the situation and I'm done discussing it.
 
N8 is right. There was no rule against it per say. Granted we did talk about it.

A lot

But it wasn't officially a strikeable offence. If he does get one, then everyone who didt it in the past would also have to get one to be fair.

Also, I'm sure this won't get me popular votes, but we seriously can't be jumping and pointing fingers when someone doesn't play exactly how we think they should. IE: throwing on a 3rd and 5 in the 4th while up by 21. If it happens more than once or twice and they're going for bombs. Yeah. Is get pissed too. But it they do it to move the chains. Who cares. We've got to have some thicker skin on things. I'm sure N8 had better things to do then trying to be our dad and dealing with us when people hurt our feelings.

Unless their violently breaking a rule (70-13 score) let's just relax a bit. Everyone's so uptight about what's breaking certain rules they we're making a scientific formula on what to do in the 4th quarter. It's a game. A video game. I play it to have fun. Lets relax and enjoy it.
 
[quote name='slofton']N8 is right. There was no rule against it per say. Granted we did talk about it.

A lot

But it wasn't officially a strikeable offence. If he does get one, then everyone who didt it in the past would also have to get one to be fair.

Also, I'm sure this won't get me popular votes, but we seriously can't be jumping and pointing fingers when someone doesn't play exactly how we think they should. IE: throwing on a 3rd and 5 in the 4th while up by 21. If it happens more than once or twice and they're going for bombs. Yeah. Is get pissed too. But it they do it to move the chains. Who cares. We've got to have some thicker skin on things. I'm sure N8 had better things to do then trying to be our dad and dealing with us when people hurt our feelings.

Unless their violently breaking a rule (70-13 score) let's just relax a bit. Everyone's so uptight about what's breaking certain rules they we're making a scientific formula on what to do in the 4th quarter. It's a game. A video game. I play it to have fun. Lets relax and enjoy it.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the support...but the second half of what you said actually goes against the system we already have in place. All those discussions and policies were drawn up for how you play the 4th quarter against a human opponent (and now against the CPU as well). I'd like us to be able to "relax a little". But that's going to mean something different to everybody.

That's where the "I didn't feel a 28 point lead was safe" arguments come in...and they have happened. It's tedious as hell being that specific and telling people not to throw the ball when they're up by 3 scores in the 4th...but it gives people a tangible means of understanding what is considered a "big lead"...and when they should be easing off the gas. It's sad, but some people wouldn't have a clue otherwise. And if somebody isn't following that, they need to be called out on it.
 
[quote name='Superstar']Saying that i am worried to throw the ball wasn't meant as a defense, it's just seriously how I feel. I have been extra cautious. I kept running the ball. I ran it more times then I usually do because I was in the lead. I think I ran it 20-25 times. I usually only run 5-10 times in a game, because I am not good at it. I just happened to have running success in this game for some reason.

I was getting stopped in the 4th quarter from running, and I was playing defense. He was passing in the 4th (in obvious passing situations since he was behind) and since I knew he was throwing I kept stopping him.

The score was 45 to 10 and I honestly only remember scoring 7 points in the entire second half. I remember the score still being 45-10 with 2 minutes to go. I had the ball and kept running. I got to 1st and goal and took a knee to end the game.

I guess the frustrating thing is that it's impossible to prove either side and I know that I was being cautious. There were plenty of times that I could have scored more points but I opted not to. Not that I want to be praised for that because that's what you SHOULD do.[/QUOTE]

C'mon now! If you were being extra cautious it sure didn't seem like it. We both know you went out of your way to put points on the board. I threw picks sure but did you get a return on any of them or did my guys just tackle you right away. Third and two in the second half of the fourth quarter and you throw a TD up 35-10. The final scored ended up being 45-10, you left the field goal off. I was the one who finished with the ball and downed it to finish the game, which you could have done but elected to kick a field goal.
 
For comparison I think I ended the game with kaster today around his 15 and kneeling being up however much I was obviously in striking distance, purposely letting myself be tackled before starting the kneel down process. Also ran a interception that would have been a pick six in the fourth out of bounds well instead of running the score up.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']For comparison I think I ended the game with kaster today around his 15 and kneeling being up however much I was obviously in striking distance, purposely letting myself be tackled before starting the kneel down process. Also ran a interception that would have been a pick six in the fourth out of bounds well instead of running the score up.[/QUOTE]

Still wish I could have gotten our game in...next time!!!
 
For sure man I look forward to it! Like I said I'm also always up for a good scrimmage with league guys just gotta find where my wife put my mic when she was "cleaning" aka shoving things where I can't find them lol.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']C'mon now! If you were being extra cautious it sure didn't seem like it. We both know you went out of your way to put points on the board. I threw picks sure but did you get a return on any of them or did my guys just tackle you right away. Third and two in the second half of the fourth quarter and you throw a TD up 35-10. The final scored ended up being 45-10, you left the field goal off. I was the one who finished with the ball and downed it to finish the game, which you could have done but elected to kick a field goal.[/QUOTE]


Like I said man. If i was playing to blow the score up I could have put more points up. No offense to your playing or anything, but my offense and your defense didn't match up. I am not talking about skill, but player wise.

The picks put me in good field position every time. One of them I got a 20 yard return on.

I remember having the ball last at the goal line. I remember kneeling the ball down and messaging you saying "gg" while time expired.
 
[quote name='Superstar']Like I said man. If i was playing to blow the score up I could have put more points up. No offense to your playing or anything, but my offense and your defense didn't match up. I am not talking about skill, but player wise.

The picks put me in good field position every time. One of them I got a 20 yard return on.

I remember having the ball last at the goal line. I remember kneeling the ball down and messaging you saying "gg" while time expired.[/QUOTE]

You scored every time you had the ball, so not sure how it could have been worse. Also had I seen an effort from you to shorten the game in the fourth I wouldn't have been passing as much but would have called running plays to get the game over with quicker. That's all I'll say, it happened it's over with, you definitely played better than me and deserved to win the game. I'd also say there is a definite reason you didn't get a reply back to your GG message on XBL, which I always do.
 
[quote name='FrankySox']You scored every time you had the ball, so not sure how it could have been worse. Also had I seen an effort from you to shorten the game in the fourth I wouldn't have been passing as much but would have called running plays to get the game over with quicker. That's all I'll say, it happened it's over with, you definitely played better than me and deserved to win the game. I'd also say there is a definite reason you didn't get a reply back to your GG message on XBL, which I always do.[/QUOTE]

Well considering you had 2 interceptions on me, it would be impossible to score every time I had the ball. It also shows you had 2 punt returns, so I had to punt it twice. So thats 4 times I didn't score right there.

It's over with and up to N8 to decide what to do. I really have nothing more to say in the matter.
 
[quote name='slofton']I get the system. Just not a fan of the complaining after every game if something only happens once.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. The idealist view, I suppose, is that with enough rules there won't be anything to complain about...heh...right? Right? I'm at least trying.

[quote name='Superstar']Well considering you had 2 interceptions on me, it would be impossible to score every time I had the ball. It also shows you had 2 punt returns, so I had to punt it twice. So thats 4 times I didn't score right there.

It's over with and up to N8 to decide what to do. I really have nothing more to say in the matter.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, we definitely don't need any more discussion of it in here. The reason I haven't addressed it yet is because I'm looking into it, and I'm trying to gather as much information as I can. But bickering back and forth isn't going to accomplish anything and is definitely not needed.
 
[quote name='Superstar']Saying that i am worried to throw the ball wasn't meant as a defense, it's just seriously how I feel. I have been extra cautious. I kept running the ball. I ran it more times then I usually do because I was in the lead. I think I ran it 20-25 times. I usually only run 5-10 times in a game, because I am not good at it. I just happened to have running success in this game for some reason.

I was getting stopped in the 4th quarter from running, and I was playing defense. He was passing in the 4th (in obvious passing situations since he was behind) and since I knew he was throwing I kept stopping him.

The score was 45 to 10 and I honestly only remember scoring 7 points in the entire second half. I remember the score still being 45-10 with 2 minutes to go. I had the ball and kept running. I got to 1st and goal and took a knee to end the game.

I guess the frustrating thing is that it's impossible to prove either side and I know that I was being cautious. There were plenty of times that I could have scored more points but I opted not to. Not that I want to be praised for that because that's what you SHOULD do.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, man. But when I read this, I'm just struck with this overwhelming feeling of somebody who doesn't get it. You "seriously feel" like you don't know when it's ok to throw the ball...even though it's outlined with specific examples in the OP?

"...to me, a comfortable lead is 3 scores. Two scores can happen pretty quickly (TD + onside kick). So, to me it wouldn't be reasonable to get upset at somebody for throwing the ball (on any down) with a 2 score lead."

Even just looking at this on the surface, If you're up 35-10 in the 4th...what reason do you have to be throwing the ball? How do you not see this as overly aggressive? You've got a 25 point lead (which is 4 scores)...and have held him to 10 points the ENTIRE game. You don't NEED that 1st down. As you said, he's gotta throw the ball to get back in it, and is likely going to force some bad passes. Run the ball and punt...get an interception...run the ball and punt...game over. What is wrong with that?

I did as much digging as I could to figure out where the inconsistencies were. Not that this really applies to the situation, other than to call into question your credibility....you scored 24 points in the second half. That's a bit more than 7. Honestly though, the "trying to score" argument really isn't what it's about.

I was also informed that the play clock wasn't being run down to less than 5 seconds in the 4th, that the TD in the 4th was on a pass downfield, and that there was some kind of field goal discrepancy at the end of the game where the clock could have been run out if a knee was taken on the previous 3rd down.

But instead, a play was ran, resulting in time being left on the clock..."forcing" the field goal, and giving Frankie the ball back to take the final knee of the game. You have to understand that these things add up and don't really cast you in a very positive light here. Yes, I don't know 100% of the facts. But I know the score was 35-10 going into the 4th quarter and that your opponent didn't feel like you let off the gas. Unless you want to accuse him of outright lying, this doesn't follow the policy in the OP on how to close out a game...and warrants a strike.

I'm not looking for a witch hunt here, man. But if somebody comes to me with a complaint, I've got to look into it, and try to put myself in both people's shoes. And I don't understand the argument of "needing" 1st downs with a 25 point lead with less than 5 minutes in the game. Even if you strip away the other allegations, that part just doesn't make sense. On the bright side, after all is said and done, this is just a warning strike, and doesn't have to mean anything at all. I just hope that we can get on the same page of recognizing when a game is put away, and finishing it the right way.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']
So, I'm either punishing him retroactively for something that wasn't a rule...or I let him know that it wasn't right and won't be tolerated in the future, and fix the loophole in the OP. Either way, the damage is done. The game can't be unplayed. So, coming in here bitching about it isn't going to do anything except divert the attention to you...which is now causing me to argue with you about it. It's not helpful. And it's not a great road for us to be going down.

People keep comparing it to playing against a human opponent, but it just isn't the same thing. You're not wrong. But it's a different situation...and there wasn't a policy for that situation. The judgments that you're all making are arbitrary. If I give him a strike for this, then it sets a precedent for me giving a strike to anyone who does anything we don't like whether there's a rule against it or not. That's chaos.[/QUOTE]

You say you would set a precedent for giving strikes, what about a precedent for letting people exploit things that are clearly wrong and getting away with it? By not giving him a strike, you are sending a message to everyone that it is okay if you take advantage of rules that aren't clear cut. Wouldn't be surprised if people start going through the rules and try to find loopholes that they can take advantage of because they know nothing will happen to them as long as they find something that supports their case, which can be something as small as a word being left out. The rules say that running up the score will not be tolerated. It doesn't specify CPU or human opponent because it doesn't have to. It doesn't imply "human opponents only" These are "league rules", not "human opponent rules". It also says that in general, the rule is to play like a real NFL coach would. Does that really have to specify CPU or human opponent?

He even said "I know this was going to be brought up." I would bet he said that because in the back of his mind, he knew that he would have to explain why he did what he did. He didn't even use your argument of "no specific CPU rules". He straight up said that the CPU gave him weak pass defense and he was trying to break Mallett's records. It didn't even sound like he was trying to exploit a "loophole". He just decided to air it out all day because the CPU struggled to stop it.

I don't know about you, but I don't want someone doing questionable things in a game with me just because there isn't a clear/specific rule against it. People need to know that it's not okay to do stuff like this and unless they know there are consequences, why not exploit things. As long as you're the first to find the hole in the rules, you are free to exploit it for one game, I guess. You are the commissioner and in the end the decision is up to you, I just want you to fully understand where I am coming from in this. If this is the way you want to run it, I respect that decision, but I can't say I agree.

Also, what does it mean when you say "warning strike"? Is that a warning before the first strike or is it an actual strike?
 
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