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[quote name='Konfusion']You say you would set a precedent for giving strikes, what about a precedent for letting people exploit things that are clearly wrong and getting away with it? By not giving him a strike, you are sending a message to everyone that it is okay if you take advantage of rules that aren't clear cut. Wouldn't be surprised if people start going through the rules and try to find loopholes that they can take advantage of because they know nothing will happen to them as long as they find something that supports their case, which can be something as small as a word being left out. The rules say that running up the score will not be tolerated. It doesn't specify CPU or human opponent because it doesn't have to. It doesn't imply "human opponents only" These are "league rules", not "human opponent rules". It also says that in general, the rule is to play like a real NFL coach would. Does that really have to specify CPU or human opponent?
He even said "I know this was going to be brought up." I would bet he said that because in the back of his mind, he knew that he would have to explain why he did what he did. He didn't even use your argument of "no specific CPU rules". He straight up said that the CPU gave him weak pass defense and he was trying to break Mallett's records. It didn't even sound like he was trying to exploit a "loophole". He just decided to air it out all day because the CPU struggled to stop it.
I don't know about you, but I don't want someone doing questionable things in a game with me just because there isn't a clear/specific rule against it. People need to know that it's not okay to do stuff like this and unless they know there are consequences, why not exploit things. As long as you're the first to find the hole in the rules, you are free to exploit it for one game, I guess. You are the commissioner and in the end the decision is up to you, I just want you to fully understand where I am coming from in this. If this is the way you want to run it, I respect that decision, but I can't say I agree.
Also, what does it mean when you say "warning strike"? Is that a warning before the first strike or is it an actual strike?[/QUOTE]
I would agree with this. And in addition, I feel like by giving him the first warning strike it makes it clear that this crap is not to be tolerated. With no strike, next time he has a CPU game (or a shot at a record against a human), whos to say he wont try that again knowing "I can get away with a warning here" and going for the records anyway? I dont see how thats a good situation either. Give him his warning strike so that he at least knows if he goes for records again he will have a 1 game suspension to serve and it may actually help in the long run. Just my $.02.
He even said "I know this was going to be brought up." I would bet he said that because in the back of his mind, he knew that he would have to explain why he did what he did. He didn't even use your argument of "no specific CPU rules". He straight up said that the CPU gave him weak pass defense and he was trying to break Mallett's records. It didn't even sound like he was trying to exploit a "loophole". He just decided to air it out all day because the CPU struggled to stop it.
I don't know about you, but I don't want someone doing questionable things in a game with me just because there isn't a clear/specific rule against it. People need to know that it's not okay to do stuff like this and unless they know there are consequences, why not exploit things. As long as you're the first to find the hole in the rules, you are free to exploit it for one game, I guess. You are the commissioner and in the end the decision is up to you, I just want you to fully understand where I am coming from in this. If this is the way you want to run it, I respect that decision, but I can't say I agree.
Also, what does it mean when you say "warning strike"? Is that a warning before the first strike or is it an actual strike?[/QUOTE]
I would agree with this. And in addition, I feel like by giving him the first warning strike it makes it clear that this crap is not to be tolerated. With no strike, next time he has a CPU game (or a shot at a record against a human), whos to say he wont try that again knowing "I can get away with a warning here" and going for the records anyway? I dont see how thats a good situation either. Give him his warning strike so that he at least knows if he goes for records again he will have a 1 game suspension to serve and it may actually help in the long run. Just my $.02.
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[quote name='GpNinja']I've only had like 3 or 4 games were I won by 10+ points. The rest are basically a 1 TD lead. So no I won't be thinking "Oh I didn't get a strike lets put up 70 points again."[/QUOTE]
Until you have another shot at breaking Mallett's pass record at least.
Until you have another shot at breaking Mallett's pass record at least.
[quote name='GamerDude316']I would agree with this. And in addition, I feel like by giving him the first warning strike it makes it clear that this crap is not to be tolerated. With no strike, next time he has a CPU game (or a shot at a record against a human), whos to say he wont try that again knowing "I can get away with a warning here" and going for the records anyway? I dont see how thats a good situation either. Give him his warning strike so that he at least knows if he goes for records again he will have a 1 game suspension to serve and it may actually help in the long run. Just my $.02.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he will be a repeat offender. I would imagine that if he has a strike, he would be extra careful to not get that suspension. What I am saying is that others will see that there was no penalty for what he did, so others will look for some way to interpret the rules to their advantage. If they know nothing will happen as long as it isn't a clearly defined rule, why not try to find exploits. By giving a strike, you let people know that this won't be tolerated.
I'm not saying he will be a repeat offender. I would imagine that if he has a strike, he would be extra careful to not get that suspension. What I am saying is that others will see that there was no penalty for what he did, so others will look for some way to interpret the rules to their advantage. If they know nothing will happen as long as it isn't a clearly defined rule, why not try to find exploits. By giving a strike, you let people know that this won't be tolerated.
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[quote name='Konfusion']I don't know about you, but I don't want someone doing questionable things in a game with me just because there isn't a clear/specific rule against it. People need to know that it's not okay to do stuff like this and unless they know there are consequences, why not exploit things. As long as you're the first to find the hole in the rules, you are free to exploit it for one game, I guess. You are the commissioner and in the end the decision is up to you, I just want you to fully understand where I am coming from in this. If this is the way you want to run it, I respect that decision, but I can't say I agree.
Also, what does it mean when you say "warning strike"? Is that a warning before the first strike or is it an actual strike?[/QUOTE]
[quote name='GamerDude316']I would agree with this. And in addition, I feel like by giving him the first warning strike it makes it clear that this crap is not to be tolerated. With no strike, next time he has a CPU game (or a shot at a record against a human), whos to say he wont try that again knowing "I can get away with a warning here" and going for the records anyway? I dont see how thats a good situation either. Give him his warning strike so that he at least knows if he goes for records again he will have a 1 game suspension to serve and it may actually help in the long run. Just my $.02.[/QUOTE]
The problem is you guys aren't coming up with any reasonable suggestions other than "who cares...punish him!" I can't say enough that I don't disagree that CPU and human games should be approached the same way. But until recently, it really wasn't something we had to worry about very often.
But trying to say that people don't view CPU games the same as they view human games is silly. How many of you flip into the endzone against the CPU? Why do it? Because who cares. Now, I realize, that doesn't affect things like XP...but you get my point. It's just a different mentality. At least now, I have a backing where I can tell people they HAVE to approach the game the same way, instead of just that they "should".
As for "what's stopping him from doing it again and just taking his warning strike? Well...this is.
[quote name='OP']
*Commissioner reserves the right to immediately ban any player who goes out of his way to cause trouble and undermine the enjoyment of the league.
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If he's found to be doing it again, I'd say that's a pretty blatant offence of undermining the league and something he KNOWS he shouldn't be doing. So, in that way...if you want to call this a half-strike, fine, whatever. The way I see it, he's been warned about doing this...but it doesn't mean if he stands somebody up for a game or flips into the endzone against a human opponent that he gets suspended. It's meant to be a compromise...if anybody can find a way to appreciate that at all.
Also, what does it mean when you say "warning strike"? Is that a warning before the first strike or is it an actual strike?[/QUOTE]
[quote name='GamerDude316']I would agree with this. And in addition, I feel like by giving him the first warning strike it makes it clear that this crap is not to be tolerated. With no strike, next time he has a CPU game (or a shot at a record against a human), whos to say he wont try that again knowing "I can get away with a warning here" and going for the records anyway? I dont see how thats a good situation either. Give him his warning strike so that he at least knows if he goes for records again he will have a 1 game suspension to serve and it may actually help in the long run. Just my $.02.[/QUOTE]
The problem is you guys aren't coming up with any reasonable suggestions other than "who cares...punish him!" I can't say enough that I don't disagree that CPU and human games should be approached the same way. But until recently, it really wasn't something we had to worry about very often.
But trying to say that people don't view CPU games the same as they view human games is silly. How many of you flip into the endzone against the CPU? Why do it? Because who cares. Now, I realize, that doesn't affect things like XP...but you get my point. It's just a different mentality. At least now, I have a backing where I can tell people they HAVE to approach the game the same way, instead of just that they "should".
As for "what's stopping him from doing it again and just taking his warning strike? Well...this is.
[quote name='OP']
*Commissioner reserves the right to immediately ban any player who goes out of his way to cause trouble and undermine the enjoyment of the league.
[/QUOTE]
If he's found to be doing it again, I'd say that's a pretty blatant offence of undermining the league and something he KNOWS he shouldn't be doing. So, in that way...if you want to call this a half-strike, fine, whatever. The way I see it, he's been warned about doing this...but it doesn't mean if he stands somebody up for a game or flips into the endzone against a human opponent that he gets suspended. It's meant to be a compromise...if anybody can find a way to appreciate that at all.
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[quote name='Konfusion']I'm not saying he will be a repeat offender. I would imagine that if he has a strike, he would be extra careful to not get that suspension. What I am saying is that others will see that there was no penalty for what he did, so others will look for some way to interpret the rules to their advantage. If they know nothing will happen as long as it isn't a clearly defined rule, why not try to find exploits. By giving a strike, you let people know that this won't be tolerated.[/QUOTE]
You don't think people have been doing this in every Madden game in every league ever? Trying to prevent people from exploiting loopholes and abusing the game will always be a continuous struggle. Just the nature of the beast. But you'll have to forgive me for thinking we already have one of the best systems of rules and consequences that I've ever seen. But some people will always do whatever it takes to win...whether that's abusing HB screens, 5 wide streaks, or pulling their cord when they're losing so they can get a fresh start. I do my best to shield this league from as much douchebaggery as possible.
You don't think people have been doing this in every Madden game in every league ever? Trying to prevent people from exploiting loopholes and abusing the game will always be a continuous struggle. Just the nature of the beast. But you'll have to forgive me for thinking we already have one of the best systems of rules and consequences that I've ever seen. But some people will always do whatever it takes to win...whether that's abusing HB screens, 5 wide streaks, or pulling their cord when they're losing so they can get a fresh start. I do my best to shield this league from as much douchebaggery as possible.
[quote name='perdition(troy']It's like Doom's bullshit excuse when he ran 480 yards on a team in the other league because he wanted the record. One of the reasons I stuck to just this league is I don't want any part of the cheese that takes place in madden and this league has by far been the cleanest I've played against.[/QUOTE]
Um, like, it was 460 yards Brony.
Um, like, it was 460 yards Brony.
[quote name='n8rockerasu']You don't think people have been doing this in every Madden game in every league ever? Trying to prevent people from exploiting loopholes and abusing the game will always be a continuous struggle. Just the nature of the beast. But you'll have to forgive me for thinking we already have one of the best systems of rules and consequences that I've ever seen. But some people will always do whatever it takes to win...whether that's abusing HB screens, 5 wide streaks, or pulling their cord when they're losing so they can get a fresh start. I do my best to shield this league from as much douchebaggery as possible.[/QUOTE]
Seems like every other week, we have some discussion about what is okay and what is not okay. If people really thought they were going to be punished, we wouldn't be having these conversations. People who look to take advantage would be too scared of having their CPU controlled team be destroyed by a human opponent, they would probably stay away from questionable tactics. The rule of "play like an NFL coach" is really the biggest rule in my opinion and a very simple one that I believe everyone actually understands, despite what they might say to defend their actions.
EDIT: I am definitely not saying this is a dirty league or anything. I personally have only had a few minor issues in my games that didn't bother me enough to talk about them. My biggest issue with this whole Bills situation is there are very real consequences for me personally as well as a couple other teams when it comes to XP at the end of the season. Like I said, XP is a huge part of this mode as we know and if I miss out on 25-50k XP bonus for a couple of my guys because the Bills owner decided to pad his stats against the CPU, I'm not very happy about it. I think he knew what he was doing the whole time and if you don't agree with that, then that's the way it is, I guess. I obviously can't prove it. Fortunately for most you, this doesn't matter at all. I have nothing else to add.
Seems like every other week, we have some discussion about what is okay and what is not okay. If people really thought they were going to be punished, we wouldn't be having these conversations. People who look to take advantage would be too scared of having their CPU controlled team be destroyed by a human opponent, they would probably stay away from questionable tactics. The rule of "play like an NFL coach" is really the biggest rule in my opinion and a very simple one that I believe everyone actually understands, despite what they might say to defend their actions.
EDIT: I am definitely not saying this is a dirty league or anything. I personally have only had a few minor issues in my games that didn't bother me enough to talk about them. My biggest issue with this whole Bills situation is there are very real consequences for me personally as well as a couple other teams when it comes to XP at the end of the season. Like I said, XP is a huge part of this mode as we know and if I miss out on 25-50k XP bonus for a couple of my guys because the Bills owner decided to pad his stats against the CPU, I'm not very happy about it. I think he knew what he was doing the whole time and if you don't agree with that, then that's the way it is, I guess. I obviously can't prove it. Fortunately for most you, this doesn't matter at all. I have nothing else to add.
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That gif was perfect.
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Huge playoff deciding games this week:
Bills broncos
Saints bucs
49ers ravens
Vikings seahawks
Lions bears
I might have missed one apologies if I did.
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49ers ravens
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I've had that penciled in as a loss for most of the season. I will have to play my best game and have Madden on my side if I have a shot at winning that. My game with the Bengals in week 16 is probably the biggest game remaining on my schedule. It could easily decide the division.
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I've had that penciled in as a loss for most of the season. I will have to play my best game and have Madden on my side if I have a shot at winning that. My game with the Bengals in week 16 is probably the biggest game remaining on my schedule. It could easily decide the division.
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this end of the year schedule is nuts in terms of top teams playing. next week is:
chiefs bears
patriots bills
broncos vikings
texans titans
bengals cardinals
following week:
ravens bengals
eagles lions
saints bucs again
chiefs patriots
jets bills
This playoff picture could get very messy lol
chiefs bears
patriots bills
broncos vikings
texans titans
bengals cardinals
following week:
ravens bengals
eagles lions
saints bucs again
chiefs patriots
jets bills
This playoff picture could get very messy lol
[quote name='Konfusion']I've had that penciled in as a loss for most of the season. I will have to play my best game and have Madden on my side if I have a shot at winning that. My game with the Bengals in week 16 is probably the biggest game remaining on my schedule. It could easily decide the division.[/QUOTE]
I've been looking forward to my games with playoff teams. Sucks that the Eagles vs 49ers game had to be simmed.
I've been looking forward to my games with playoff teams. Sucks that the Eagles vs 49ers game had to be simmed.
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']I couldn't agree more. The idealist view, I suppose, is that with enough rules there won't be anything to complain about...heh...right? Right? I'm at least trying.[/QUOTE]
I've lived to learn the exact opposite lol But now we're just in the fun/not about CAGGL talk. But this thought processes might have come from my current career. Which lives and dies by rules.
I've lived to learn the exact opposite lol But now we're just in the fun/not about CAGGL talk. But this thought processes might have come from my current career. Which lives and dies by rules.
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Well its been a pretty rough season for the Skins so that may not be so hard. RG3, Garcon, and Perry Riley are all out for the season.
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[quote name='DVO21']Couldnt stop laughing after seeing this[/QUOTE]
Totally. Defending dickbaggery with humor makes it awesome again. So clever.
Totally. Defending dickbaggery with humor makes it awesome again. So clever.
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Man I had terrible grammar in this post. I am going to be writing up tips on where to use XP and what stats matter for different positions in this years madden. If you are interested in me sending out a write up send me a pm and I will send you guides on the positions people are interested in.
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Broncos vs Bills going down. When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. Something's got to give.
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Keep those of us at work updated on the score or end result!
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It looks like 24-7 Bills right now.
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Broncos looked awful. I don't even feel outplayed, just out maddened. I made mistakes, but he made equal but got away with them. I also miss Tamme.
Reggie looked so bad. I don't understand how you can be blitzing the house and playing every WR in tight un breakable coverage at the same time.
Reggie looked so bad. I don't understand how you can be blitzing the house and playing every WR in tight un breakable coverage at the same time.
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Why does this thread always get hit with drive-by spam?
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Wait...why does he have XBL and PSN tags though? lol. And it says he's from Latvia. Whoops! I just reported it as spam. And now I feel a little racist...
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It was spam. The links were for some bootleg jackets from Japan.
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Saints win over the Bucs 20-10 and bury their slim playoff hopes. Josh Freeman had the ugliest first half of the season throwing 4 bad INT's, and when he did find a WR they just dropped it anyway. 5 drops for my guys including an easy TD by my slot WR. Ugh. Mark Barron was a beast with 2 INTs and a FF but it wasnt nearly enough.
gg Superstar! He played a very fine 4th quarter chewing clock, only threw to try and move the chains. No issues here (other than my QB, haha).
gg Superstar! He played a very fine 4th quarter chewing clock, only threw to try and move the chains. No issues here (other than my QB, haha).
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[quote name='GamerDude316']Saints win over the Bucs 20-10 and bury their slim playoff hopes. Josh Freeman had the ugliest first half of the season throwing 4 bad INT's, and when he did find a WR they just dropped it anyway. 5 drops for my guys including an easy TD by my slot WR. Ugh. Mark Barron was a beast with 2 INTs and a FF but it wasnt nearly enough.
gg Superstar! He played a very fine 4th quarter chewing clock, only threw to try and move the chains. No issues here (other than my QB, haha).[/QUOTE]
Not trying to call you out, but this isn't really the same thing. If I had to guess, this would be why Superstar claims he doesn't know when it's ok to throw the ball. In a 10 point game, he could have been passing on every down if he wanted to.
Unless he was winning 20-3, and then you scored in the 4th (at which point, he'd be fine to up the pressure again), this game really isn't similar to the situation we just had. I definitely appreciate the report that you felt the game was respectfully played, but we should be careful comparing two different situations so we don't end up confusing people even more.
gg Superstar! He played a very fine 4th quarter chewing clock, only threw to try and move the chains. No issues here (other than my QB, haha).[/QUOTE]
Not trying to call you out, but this isn't really the same thing. If I had to guess, this would be why Superstar claims he doesn't know when it's ok to throw the ball. In a 10 point game, he could have been passing on every down if he wanted to.
Unless he was winning 20-3, and then you scored in the 4th (at which point, he'd be fine to up the pressure again), this game really isn't similar to the situation we just had. I definitely appreciate the report that you felt the game was respectfully played, but we should be careful comparing two different situations so we don't end up confusing people even more.
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holy crap, I almost lost another one to the computer.. Jets squeak out a 28-24 win against the CPU Chargers. Almost had another embarrassing loss to the CPU but took the lead with 29 seconds left in the game. Still alive in the AFC playoff race at 8-5!
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