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I think it'd be easy to monitor if someone is manually subbing in a TE/HB/moving a WR around if we don't allow changing packages except for HB sub. Just remember what formation the suspicious play was on, check teh depth, and check the playbook. IF package changes ARE still allowed, then this discussion is pretty much a moot point.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']You can pause and view the depth chart in game. You should be able to flip between yours and your opponents with "RT".

So can we still audible into other formations? For example, I usually run a 2WR, 2RB, 1TE formation ("I" formation), but I will sometimes audible (at the line) to a four wide spread formation, where my TE and FB will go out to the slots, and my QB and RB will drop into shotgun. This is still allowed correct?[/QUOTE]

Um..well, for that part, I hope you're not doing this too often. I understand if you smell a blitz coming, you call an audible. Of course. But just for general purposes, hasn't this been considered very "ranked match" like for a while? I guess if you're not moving players all over the field, maybe it's not the same thing, but I know I remember people complaining about something similar to this in past games.

Just to be clear, in general, of course audibling is fine. I'm just hoping this doesn't take us in the direction of "what is considered 'cheap audibling'?" Like I said...some of it is "you'll know it when you see it". And overall, as long as someone has defensible REASONS for doing something, and it's not being used as a vehicle for seeking out an unfair advantage or exploit, it's probably ok.

[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']Do you mean packages or formations? They are 2 completely separate things. I get that if a default formation has TE/RB/whoever at WR, that's fine. But you state that "packages" that move players around is OK - which is done by going right or left on the R-Stick - You can do a number of things (i.e. move #1WR to slot, have 2 TE's as WR, HB as WR)... Is that still allowed? It will still encounter the same problem of 2WR-2TE-1HB showing up in a 5 wide set.[/QUOTE]

Well, I did also say "By Design" If you're altering a "package" (I guess I need to change the terminology) by shifting players back and forth and up and down, you're basically putting your players in those different positions without doing it as a permanent depth chart type move. If it still creates the problem of 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB, I don't think it's much different. If people disagree, we can talk about it. I'm just trying to figure out how to make a distinction without running into the exact same problem.

I understand that makes it harder to regulate, but I feel like we just have to do the best we can. Essentially, now that there's a rule on moving players out of their natural position, if somebody has a gripe about something they feel was exploitative, we can analyze it and decide if it warrants punishment. Before...it wasn't even talked about.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Um..well, for that part, I hope you're not doing this too often. I understand if you smell a blitz coming, you call an audible. Of course. But just for general purposes, hasn't this been considered very "ranked match" like for a while? I guess if you're not moving players all over the field, maybe it's not the same thing, but I know I remember people complaining about something similar to this in past games.

Just to be clear, in general, of course audibling is fine. I'm just hoping this doesn't take us in the direction of "what is considered 'cheap audibling'?" Like I said...some of it is "you'll know it when you see it". And overall, as long as someone has defensible REASONS for doing something, and it's not being used as a vehicle for seeking out an unfair advantage or exploit, it's probably ok.
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Audibling is "ranked match"? I can't say I agree there. I have around three formations, with several "go-to" plays for each that I will audible to based on how I read the defense. I am not entirely sure how much "too often", but this is something I do commonly.

I see pretty eye-to-eye with you usually, but if reading the defense and audibling to a play that will work/outsmart the opponent is "being cheap", that's just ridiculous.

Eventually you reach a point of saturation with rules. Madden is fucking broken, and half of the plays take an unfair advantage of the AI. Sure, we can make rules to fix it, but someone is just going to move on to the next broken play. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that we need rules, but eventually we'll reach a point of insanity.

By the way, I am not trying to come off badly, neither am I angry, I just wanted to state my opinion (You guys are great, and I am too invested to be angry).
 
Offseason should be interesting. Looks like some of us are going to be very close to the salary cap or could be going over. The cap should raise from $130M to $140M, but some of you have 2014 cap penalties that are bigger than the $10M raise and are already close to the cap.

Hopefully we don't lose owners again because they realize they are not going to be able to re-sign guys or have to cut guys for cap reasons.
 
[quote name='Konfusion']Offseason should be interesting. Looks like some of us are going to be very close to the salary cap or could be going over. The cap should raise from $130M to $140M, but some of you have 2014 cap penalties that are bigger than the $10M raise and are already close to the cap.

Hopefully we don't lose owners again because they realize they are not going to be able to re-sign guys or have to cut guys for cap reasons.[/QUOTE]

im just glad the bengals should have some decent cap space even with there cap penalties they had alot of cap space when the league first started i believe i have about 15 million in cap space with 8 mill in penalty lol so i could of had 23 million but o well. im not big into chasing the big FAs i like trading more. the cowboys should be an interesting team to watch try and pull things together with 32 million in cap pen though. i dont even think there is going to be any big names in FA this season.
 
also i think using the audible is fine as long and u dont switch from like i formation to 4 wide shotgun. if u audible within the same formation i dont see an issue there. my main concern was the TE in the depth chart as a WR. or the hot swapping of players before the play. but that might be harder to narrow down to whether people are doing that or not u cant really tell unless u know every playbook by memory. at one point people need to have integrity.
i know out of my shotgun plays i use the falcons playbook.
there are formations where #1 WR is in the slot.
there are 5 wide formations where the RB and TE are both on the field in the 5 wide i believe its actually both 5 wide formations that are like that in the falcons playbook. i actually hate the 5 wide on the falcons playbook i wish it was WRs instead becuz i have a nice set of WRs but other than that i really like my playbook so i just deal with it
 
I have no problem if the play calls for the TE or HB to be at different positions. I don't mind the audibles, or motioning players to different spots. At least in these circumstances you can see what they are doing. My main problem was them being in the depth chart.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']Audibling is "ranked match"? I can't say I agree there. I have around three formations, with several "go-to" plays for each that I will audible to based on how I read the defense. I am not entirely sure how much "too often", but this is something I do commonly.

I see pretty eye-to-eye with you usually, but if reading the defense and audibling to a play that will work/outsmart the opponent is "being cheap", that's just ridiculous.

Eventually you reach a point of saturation with rules. Madden is fucking broken, and half of the plays take an unfair advantage of the AI. Sure, we can make rules to fix it, but someone is just going to move on to the next broken play. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that we need rules, but eventually we'll reach a point of insanity.

By the way, I am not trying to come off badly, neither am I angry, I just wanted to state my opinion (You guys are great, and I am too invested to be angry).[/QUOTE]

[quote name='DVO21']also i think using the audible is fine as long and u dont switch from like i formation to 4 wide shotgun. if u audible within the same formation i dont see an issue there. my main concern was the TE in the depth chart as a WR. or the hot swapping of players before the play. but that might be harder to narrow down to whether people are doing that or not u cant really tell unless u know every playbook by memory. at one point people need to have integrity.
i know out of my shotgun plays i use the falcons playbook.
there are formations where #1 WR is in the slot.
there are 5 wide formations where the RB and TE are both on the field in the 5 wide i believe its actually both 5 wide formations that are like that in the falcons playbook. i actually hate the 5 wide on the falcons playbook i wish it was WRs instead becuz i have a nice set of WRs but other than that i really like my playbook so i just deal with it[/QUOTE]

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what he is talking about, lol. See, that's all I was trying to point out, Rider. I'm positive I've read complaints in past year's threads about a ranked match style of people constantly going from a running formation into shotgun. Like I said, if the situation calls for it (ie. reading the defense, and sniffing out a run committed defense), fine. But if you're doing it 9 times on one drive...some might consider it excessive and cheesy.

In general, though...I agree with you. Madden is mostly broken...and mismatches are just going to happen. We're starting to get very wrapped up in specifics...which isn't necessarily bad...but we could do this all night. The basic provision has been set up. People should understand that setting up your offense with players out of position isn't allowed, and anything beyond that can be judged on a case by case basis. Identifying people trying to gain an unfair advantage isn't really that difficult. We'll know it when we see it.

[quote name='Blade3D']I have no problem if the play calls for the TE or HB to be at different positions. I don't mind the audibles, or motioning players to different spots. At least in these circumstances you can see what they are doing. My main problem was them being in the depth chart.[/QUOTE]

Yes, definitely. If it's just the way the play is set up, unaltered, it's fine. That's the point I was trying to stress. If it's by design, that's just the kind of play it is. That's like saying reverse plays are unfair because it's crazy for a WR to be running the ball. It's the design of the play. Now, if you were putting your 99 SPD RB at #3 on your WR depth chart, so you could run reverses with him, that's crap. Basically, we're just trying to avoid trickery that the structure of a video game would allow that wouldn't really translate to real life.
 
For some reason it puts Victor Cruz in as a running back for me a lot. I am not sure why. It got frustrating when I wanted to throw to him and saw he was lined up as a running back lol.
 
[quote name='Superstar']For some reason it puts Victor Cruz in as a running back for me a lot. I am not sure why. It got frustrating when I wanted to throw to him and saw he was lined up as a running back lol.[/QUOTE]

lol...what? What formation are you trying to run when this happens? You don't have him as your 3rd down back or something crazy do you?
 
Fair enough. I certainly don't run it that much. If anything I am usually flipping to shotgun to run draws. The only main times I audible to a shotgun is when the defense is stacking, or would obviously shut down the play I am going to run.

Anyway, moving on from that. If anyone wants to trade me big price people, I am listening. I have plenty of cap space.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']lol...what? What formation are you trying to run when this happens? You don't have him as your 3rd down back or something crazy do you?[/QUOTE]

That can happen. When my RBs were hurt it put Amendola in for a play on third. That went really well.
 
GG I got maddened coulda won.

Instead of running out the clock at halftime I decided to try to get some points a thrown INT resulted in a field goal by the Jets thats what lost me the game. I can't believe you threw an 70 or whatever TD pass when you had no timeouts and I was playing quater and that 40 yard shotgun tebow run was garabage I can't belive tebow broke that tackle to set up that field goal. I atleast wanted to make it to the championship game that was my goal. Ooh well lol
 
Jets win in a crazy, wild, Tebow-esque ending.. down 1 with about 2 and a half minutes remaining, Buehler misses an easy 51 yard FG due to friggin lag that decides to kick in.. Bills score a TD to go up by 8 with 2 minutes left. I was really worried u were going to drop before the TD and just run out the clock since I had no timeouts.. Jets get a quick TD and 2 pt to tie it. Quick 3 and out for the Bills then Tebow went to work with some nice passes and a long QB run on a broke play where I almost got sacked.

Gg gpninja.. that shit had my heart pumping!
 
[quote name='GpNinja']GG I got maddened coulda won.

Instead of running out the clock at halftime I decided to try to get some points a thrown INT resulted in a field goal by the Jets thats what lost me the game. I can't believe you threw an 70 or whatever TD pass when you had no timeouts and I was playing quater and that 40 yard shotgun tebow run was garabage I can't belive tebow broke that tackle to set up that field goal. I atleast wanted to make it to the championship game that was my goal. Ooh well lol[/QUOTE]

Yea I was actually trying to get out of the pocket to throw it out of bounds.. I even clicked the R-stick while u were about to tackle me. I got real lucky there... was surprised and happy u scored that TD at the end. Thought for sure u were going to fall down. That lag really did F up my FG to take the lead when I was down 1 though
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Now, if you were putting your 99 SPD RB at #3 on your WR depth chart, so you could run reverses with him, that's crap.[/QUOTE]

I've actually tried that in offline games in years past and found it to be much less effective than you'd hope. Then again, the ratio of productive end-arounds to attempts which were blown up in the backfield I've seen throughout my Madden career is something like 1-to-100.

That said, I agree it's crap.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I've actually tried that in offline games in years past and found it to be much less effective than you'd hope. Then again, the ratio of productive end-arounds to attempts which were blown up in the backfield I've seen throughout my Madden career is something like 1-to-100.

That said, I agree it's crap.[/QUOTE]

True. Just one of those "schemes" that the evil cartoon bad guys rub their hands together when they're dreaming it up. To me, the intent is the greater concern, rather than the effectiveness.
 
so any guesses were FA's will land on tuesday anyone

i honestly think the bengals might go after mike wallace or maybe even victor cruz even though cruz is an RFA
 
[quote name='DVO21']so any guesses were FA's will land on tuesday anyone

i honestly think the bengals might go after mike wallace or maybe even victor cruz even though cruz is an RFA[/QUOTE]

I think Cruz will stay in Ny, even though that seems unlikely at this point. Just a gut feeling I guess.
 
ya i wouldnt say he wouldnt but i could for sure see a team give up a first rounder for the guy. i know some people were surprised when no one did it for mike wallace last year when he was an RFA but cruz is a more complete player and imo is worth the first rounder tender deal that the giants put on him it will be interesting to watch what goes down with him. im surprised they havent signed him yet though. i think it could be a bad idea to leave eli though he is a great QB. but theres a few team i could see going after him.
 
im wondering if in madden 25 they will have restricted FAs and add contract extension and the ability to restructure deals and offer contracts where they arent all completely back loaded. and make it so u can look futher into the future on cap space on the future when giving contracts
 
[quote name='DVO21']im wondering if in madden 25 they will have restricted FAs and add contract extension and the ability to restructure deals and offer contracts where they arent all completely back loaded. and make it so u can look futher into the future on cap space on the future when giving contracts[/QUOTE]

I just want defensive assignments back.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I just want defensive assignments back.[/QUOTE]

im hoping that the bengals sign mike wallace and madden brings back defense assignments back. i think if the bengals sign mike wallace i will have alot of fun with them again next year i would also like to see them draft eddie lacey that would help me out alot lol and possibly sign CB sean smith and chris gamble as well they have tons of cap space like 40 million i believe or somewhere around that IRL

ive never really played with a top team in madden before like 49ers patriots packers.

theres alot of teams i would be interested in trying out in the next madden depending on who is around to pick from.

my top team list for the next madden would have to be.
seahawks
49ers
falcons
bengals/chiefs (tied)
bucs
miami (possibly)
 
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Wasn't one of the big improvements this year supposed to be the game automatically matching up defenders with receivers? Like no more LB on a slot receiver and such.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Wasn't one of the big improvements this year supposed to be the game automatically matching up defenders with receivers? Like no more LB on a slot receiver and such.[/QUOTE]

lol
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Wasn't one of the big improvements this year supposed to be the game automatically matching up defenders with receivers? Like no more LB on a slot receiver and such.[/QUOTE]

I don't want anything in EA's games to be "automatic". I want to manually have control over everything, lol.
 
Kaster's Internet went down about a hour before we were supposed to play. Hoping to reschedule for tomorrow/today or whatever lol, bedtime.
 
I think Mike Wallace ends up with the Bengals or Dolphins, CB Mike Jenkins ends up in Tampa, James Harrison ends up in CLE, Ahmed Bradshaw to San Diego, Greg Jennings to Detroit.
 
if anyone is interested in trading away a WR or CB or a 1st rounder hit me up. im in the market to get one
 
Minnesota's several cardiac victories this season were not indicative of how their game against the Niners would go, as they nearly fought all the way back from a 17-0 deficit, going down 27-21 in a tough game. Matt Schaub giveth, Matt Schaub taketh away, as one pass that would have been a nice gain to Peterson was instead intercepted on a horrible overthrow. However, later, his horrible inaccuracy on a pass intended for the TE was actually hauled in by fullback Jerome Felton for an unlikely touchdown. Following a big catch and run touchdown to Peterson, the onside kick hit perfectly off the San Francisco player for Josh Robinson to scoop it up and give Minnesota a chance for a stunning victory, but he whiffed and San Fran sealed it.

Great game blade! I was expecting to get killed, but this was our first meeting in M13 and I guess our good game tradition from last years game continued. It was almost tougher to lose this way than if it had been a blowout, but this was a very positive season and I'm looking forward to what I can do with another draft and set of trades to make this team what I want it to be.

And on that note, feel free everyone to send me offers on Harvin and everyone except for Schaub and Peterson. Looking for CB, LB, TE and (good) picks.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Minnesota's several cardiac victories this season were not indicative of how their game against the Niners would go, as they nearly fought all the way back from a 17-0 deficit, going down 27-21 in a tough game. Matt Schaub giveth, Matt Schaub taketh away, as one pass that would have been a nice gain to Peterson was instead intercepted on a horrible overthrow. However, later, his horrible inaccuracy on a pass intended for the TE was actually hauled in by fullback Jerome Felton for an unlikely touchdown. Following a big catch and run touchdown to Peterson, the onside kick hit perfectly off the San Francisco player for Josh Robinson to scoop it up and give Minnesota a chance for a stunning victory, but he whiffed and San Fran sealed it.

Great game blade! I was expecting to get killed, but this was our first meeting in M13 and I guess our good game tradition from last years game continued. It was almost tougher to lose this way than if it had been a blowout, but this was a very positive season and I'm looking forward to what I can do with another draft and set of trades to make this team what I want it to be.

And on that note, feel free everyone to send me offers on Harvin and everyone except for Schaub and Peterson. Looking for CB, LB, TE and (good) picks.[/QUOTE]

You definitely shut me down the second half, I only had 3 points. Luckily, I had gotten just enough of a lead already to pull off the win. Also, that long TD run from Mendenhall really helped me out. It was a great game, and really started having me worried in the 4th quarter. I'm so glad Kyle Rudolph(former Viking) made the grab on the onside kick.



Blade's AFC Championship Game Prediction:

@Chiefs vs. Jets - Who could have predicted the Jets upset against the Bills? Knocking out the #1 seed the Jets keep on trucking, making my pick the on fire New York Jets for another upset.
 
Messaged back whoever I play in the divisional round. Our game will most likely be a little after 8EST tomorrow night.

In terms of trades, Detroit's entire roster is up for trades again (Suh, Chris Houston, Jahvid Best, Pettigrew, Scheffler etc). Looking for a top tier receiver (or middle of the road receiver even) or draft picks...maybe a good safety as well.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']And on that note, feel free everyone to send me offers on Harvin and everyone except for Schaub and Peterson. Looking for CB, LB, TE and (good) picks.[/QUOTE]

lol done and done let the counter offer begin ;)
 
[quote name='Mile High Von']Giants still open? I heard nothing back last time.[/QUOTE]

Full disclosure, it's been debated whether or not you'd be a good fit for this league. As much as we've been trying to steer away from and limit cheesy or exploitative play, based on your play style in the other league, you've kind of built a reputation of riding one player for your entire offense.

I hope you can understand that that kind of thing has turned off a lot of people. I'm not saying we don't ever have something like that happen in here, but like I said, we've been actively trying to take measures to reduce it. Bringing in a new member who is known to specifically play in that fashion is hard to feel good about.
 
I played him in the other league and his gameplan was throw to one guy, who he also showboated into the endzone with. Don't think he'd be a good fit for this league.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']I played him in the other league and his gameplan was throw to one guy, who he also showboated into the endzone with. Don't think he'd be a good fit for this league.[/QUOTE]

This is a bit unfair. I remember the showboating situation, and he said it was an accident, apologized to you, and I haven't heard heard anything about him doing it since. To use that as a basis for saying he'd not be a good fit for this league seems harsh to me.

The "throw it to one guy" thing is certainly not overblown, but I think Mile High is probably developing an appreciation for the fact that it's not a very effective strategy given his record in the other league. Seems to me that someone who is stuck in one way of doing things and not having success at it would probably want to take some time to learn to play the "right way." Which is what this league is for, isn't it?

That's not to pressure you guys to take him, that's up to you. And I'd certainly understand if you want to exact a commitment from him to actually work on developing a reasonable and realistic gameplan over here (which hopefully he could then bring over to the other league as well) as a pre-condition for joining. But I do think you should give him a shot.
 
a couple posts back

[quote name='perdition(troy']Messaged back whoever I play in the divisional round. Our game will most likely be a little after 8EST tomorrow night.

In terms of trades, Detroit's entire roster is up for trades again (Suh, Chris Houston, Jahvid Best, Pettigrew, Scheffler etc). Looking for a top tier receiver (or middle of the road receiver even) or draft picks...maybe a good safety as well.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='bvharris']This is a bit unfair. I remember the showboating situation, and he said it was an accident, apologized to you, and I haven't heard heard anything about him doing it since. To use that as a basis for saying he'd not be a good fit for this league seems harsh to me.

The "throw it to one guy" thing is certainly not overblown, but I think Mile High is probably developing an appreciation for the fact that it's not a very effective strategy given his record in the other league. Seems to me that someone who is stuck in one way of doing things and not having success at it would probably want to take some time to learn to play the "right way." Which is what this league is for, isn't it?

That's not to pressure you guys to take him, that's up to you. And I'd certainly understand if you want to exact a commitment from him to actually work on developing a reasonable and realistic gameplan over here (which hopefully he could then bring over to the other league as well) as a pre-condition for joining. But I do think you should give him a shot.[/QUOTE]

He can say it was an accident all he wants but the fact is there was nobody within 10 yards of his receiver and he deliberately showboated into the end zone. I appreciate his apology but it was still a pretty classless act and a blatant violation of an important rule in this league as well. If voicing that makes me sound a little harsh, then so be it. Obviously it's Nate's decision but as someone who played him firsthand I feel offering my opinion is worthwhile here.
 
Well, honestly, a case doesn't need to be made "on his behalf". I tried to be honest with him about it. It's up to him how he wants to take it.
 
I can also say I played him, in the preseason. Nothing too bad, though he did sub manually Manning back in to play the whole first half.

He would probably be okay for this league, but he should be under careful watch.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']a couple posts back[/QUOTE]

Ya I meant an update on that since you said "most likely", was wondering if that time was confirmed or not.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Ya I meant an update on that since you said "most likely", was wondering if that time was confirmed or not.[/QUOTE]

Confirmed for somewhere right in the 8EST area. I have meetings tonight and should be home sometime shortly after that.
 
Dang it is being reported that Percy Harvin is getting traded to Seattle for picks. Good choice for Seattle imo, strengthens their team a ton (not to mention they will be even better in madden next year).
 
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