CAGLS: Madden 13 Gentlemen's League - We Finished! Thanks for Playing!

Bengals are looking for a top notch WR if anyone has one on the block let me know im looking to do bussiness
 
Falcons 45 Redskins 35 i believe.

RG3 17-28 420 yds 4 TD 3 INT

Matt Ryan 11-19 237yds 3 TD 1 INT
Taiwan Jones had no problem settling in Atlanta and ran for 224 yds and 1 td
Asante Samuel had 2 INT 1 for 6

Redskins couldnt get on a roll until the end of the game. But overall it was a good game.
Good game JoelyPoley
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Kaster, any ETA for your game? I've got the Vikings this week, so I'm just holding out to see if I need to play the CPU or not.[/QUOTE]

Play the CPU. I can't track the package but fall break just started, so the campus post office is closed until Wednesday. Hopefully it'll get here by then, haha.

Also, guys, if you inquire about a player for trade that's fine, but know that I can't say anything definitive until Amazon gets the game to me.
 
[quote name='Steggy']packers lose again.... this time to the colts. 10-13[/QUOTE]


sounds as close as the real life game different score of couse but still just as close and same result
 
[quote name='DVO21']sounds as close as the real life game different score of couse but still just as close and same result[/QUOTE]

ouch.... still too soon after that loss.
 
Titans - 42
Vikings - 6

Just put a beating on CPU Minnesota. Wouldn't even bother mentioning it other than the fact that this game was a great example of why sometimes when you're losing, you just run the ball and let the game end. Minnesota just kept throwing the ball in the 4th quarter, which kept causing them to turn the ball over. I didn't throw the ball once in the 4th, and still ended up with 21 points in the quarter. The CPU turned a good day from Chris Johnson into a ridiculous day, as he finished with 259 yards on 27 carries with 5 TDs. Thanks EA, for that little piece of programming...and this time I actually mean it. Wow, lol :)
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']If only real life Chris Johnson could still run that way, I wouldn't have totally wasted a first round pick on him in fantasy football.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he still has flashes...which makes me think the talent is still there. It just worries me that Munchak's system isn't right for him cause he seems to hesitate so much waiting for a hole to open. He played very well against both Houston and Pittsburgh though. Honestly, the Titans schedule has been brutal this year. So far, they've played the Patriots, Chargers, Lions, Texans, Vikings, and Steelers. That's four division leaders and underachieving Detroit and Pittsburgh teams. They've got the Bills, Colts, Bears, Dolphins, and Jaguars after that. I don't expect anything against Chicago...but the other four are all winnable games, and will likely determine where they finish.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, he still has flashes...which makes me think the talent is still there. It just worries me that Munchak's system isn't right for him cause he seems to hesitate so much waiting for a hole to open. He played very well against both Houston and Pittsburgh though. Honestly, the Titans schedule has been brutal this year. So far, they've played the Patriots, Chargers, Lions, Texans, Vikings, and Steelers. That's four division leaders and underachieving Detroit and Pittsburgh teams. They've got the Bills, Colts, Bears, Dolphins, and Jaguars after that. I don't expect anything against Chicago...but the other four are all winnable games, and will likely determine where they finish.[/QUOTE]

acutally dolphins have the number one rush defense in the RL nfl right now look and if u look at the teams they had to play most have very good rushers on there team the highest amount of rushing they have allowed was 79 yards i beleive or right around there and it was foster
 
[quote name='DVO21']acutally dolphins have the number one rush defense in the RL nfl right now look and if u look at the teams they had to play most have very good rushers on there team the highest amount of rushing they have allowed was 79 yards i beleive or right around there and it was foster[/QUOTE]

I didn't say CJ was going to run all over them. I said it was a winnable game. I like that patch of the schedule much better than playing division leaders in 4 of your first 6 games.
 
All right, some business to attend to:

[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']Texans Receive:
Cap Space before = $16.42 Million
Cap Space after = $20.33 Million

Mark Sanchez, QB
Age 25
OVR 79
5/5 Years Remaining
$50 Million Total / $10 Million Bonus
2012 net Salary for Texans: $4.42 Million

Josh Mauga, MLB
Age 25
OVR 69
1/3 Years Remaining
$1.2 Million Total / $0 Bonus
2012 net Salary for Texans: $400 K

2013 Jets 1st Round Pick


Jets Receive:
Cap space before = $4 Million
Cap space after = $0.09 Million

Matt Schaub, QB
Age 31
OVR 86
1/6 Years Remaining
$48 Million Total / $18 Million Bonus
2012 net Salary for Jets: $8.73 Million


I (Jets) get the franchise QB I want. He (Texans) gets a replacement and a 1st round pick. MLB Mauga is thrown in strictly to make the salaries work. I already have 5 MLB's, and I wasn't going to re-sign him at the end of the season. He's not even on my depth chart at MLB. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to just drop him.

I also know that my lack of salary cap looks to be an issue, but I have 3 players on my team in their last year that I will not be re-signing which will free up close to $10 Million in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

TRADE REJECTED

The Committee felt that Madden Sanchez was not as bad as real life Sanchez, and therefore, giving up a 1st rounder was just too much. To me, this is the best part about reviewing these trades by committee. 3 people said this exact same thing without having any communication between each other. I don't think you can make things much more fair and arbitrary than that.

[quote name='snakemaster2389']Colts receive Vernon Davis age 28
ovr. 91
4 years remaining for a total of $36 mill plus 12 mill signing bonus
2012- 5.18 m
2013- 6.13 m
2014- 7.37 m
2015- 8.99 m

2013 4th Round Draft Pick

49ers receive Coby Fleener age 23
ovr. 76
4 years remaining for a total of $5.20 mill signing bonus- 2.40 mill
2012 cap hit- $1.05 Mill
2013 Cap hit- $1.19 Mill
2014 cap hit- $1.36 mill
2015 cap hit- $1.60 mill

Vontae Davis age 24
ovr. 86
2 years remaining for a total of 10.00 mill plus 2.50 mill signing bonus
2012 cap hit- $2.32 mill
2013 cap hit- $2.87 mill[/QUOTE]

TRADE REJECTED

The Committee thought that a 4th rounder still wasn't enough to balance this trade. The logic behind this is that Vontae for Vernon is basically even when you look at Vontae's numbers (93 Man, 96 Press...and a higher overall depending on which team is looking). So, that basically leaves Fleener for a 4th round pick...which nobody thought was reasonable.

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In addition to these trades, something was brought to light in the other league that we need to consider here (which actually affects another proposal we're reviewing). Apparently, when you trade for a player in the last year of his contract, you may not be able to negotiate a new contract with him before he tests free agency (ie. goes on the open market where you're locked into a bidding war with other teams).

This appears to be caused by whether or not the previous owner tried to negotiate with him before trading him, but I'm not 100% clear on what is determining if the player is willing to negotiate. You do have the option of franchise tagging him though, so it's not a complete loss. It's just definitely something to consider when you're trading for a guy in the final year of his deal.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']All right, some business to attend to:



TRADE REJECTED

The Committee felt that Madden Sanchez was not as bad as real life Sanchez, and therefore, giving up a 1st rounder was just too much. To me, this is the best part about reviewing these trades by committee. 3 people said this exact same thing without having any communication between each other. I don't think you can make things much more fair and arbitrary than that.



TRADE REJECTED

The Committee thought that a 4th rounder still wasn't enough to balance this trade. The logic behind this is that Vontae for Vernon is basically even when you look at Vontae's numbers (93 Man, 96 Press...and a higher overall depending on which team is looking). So, that basically leaves Fleener for a 4th round pick...which nobody thought was reasonable.

----------

In addition to these trades, something was brought to light in the other league that we need to consider here (which actually affects another proposal we're reviewing). Apparently, when you trade for a player in the last year of his contract, you may not be able to negotiate a new contract with him before he tests free agency (ie. goes on the open market where you're locked into a bidding war with other teams).

This appears to be caused by whether or not the previous owner tried to negotiate with him before trading him, but I'm not 100% clear on what is determining if the player is willing to negotiate. You do have the option of franchise tagging him though, so it's not a complete loss. It's just definitely something to consider when you're trading for a guy in the final year of his deal.[/QUOTE]

So like I was saying, what pick is it going to take? I would rather the committee had just told me what round pick was fair or whatever then me have to continuously resubmit an offer. I also think the value of rookies/draft picks is being overvalued. I am playing a solo career online with Doc, I ran for over 3,000 yards with 48 TDs and only moved up 5 points that year my first year. That's a year I beat everyone rushing record, whether game or season.

So would a 3rd or 2nd round pick be fair?
 
[quote name='Blade3D']So like I was saying, what pick is it going to take? I would rather the committee had just told me what round pick was fair or whatever then me have to continuously resubmit an offer. I also think the value of rookies/draft picks is being overvalued. I am playing a solo career online with Doc, I ran for over 3,000 yards with 48 TDs and only moved up 5 points that year my first year. That's a year I beat everyone rushing record, whether game or season.

So would a 3rd or 2nd round pick be fair?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what to tell you. I can't answer what 5 different people are going to feel is fair. I'm also not going to convene the 5 of us together just to discuss your trade. If anyone has a better idea, I'll listen to it. But I've told you as much as I can tell you for why the trade was rejected. Vontae and Vernon are viewed as being equal. So, what pick do you think Fleener is worth by himself?
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']I don't know what to tell you. I can't answer what 5 different people are going to feel is fair. I'm also not going to convene the 5 of us together just to discuss your trade. If anyone has a better idea, I'll listen to it. But I've told you as much as I can tell you for why the trade was rejected. Vontae and Vernon are viewed as being equal. So, what pick do you think Fleener is worth by himself?[/QUOTE]

I guess I am just saying that this is the second time it got rejected. Seeing as people wanted me to add something, that if it was going to get rejected for a second time that they relay what they would think was fair to get it to go through. I guess this is one problem compared to just letting everyone weigh in on the board like we used to, it can't mended on the fly. I am trying to work to get this trade approved.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']I guess I am just saying that this is the second time it got rejected. Seeing as people wanted me to add something, that if it was going to get rejected for a second time that they relay what they would think was fair to get it to go through. I guess this is one problem compared to just letting everyone weigh in on the board like we used to, it can't mended on the fly. I am trying to work to get this trade approved.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you act like I'm withholding information from you. Not everybody responds with "If he had offered this...I would have approved." One member said they'd be ok with it if it was a 3rd round pick. But I can't speak for anybody else. Most everybody else responded with something to the effect of "that's still not enough".

If you'd like, I'll resubmit it to them again with the pick being a 3rd rounder.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Yeah, but you act like I'm withholding information from you. Not everybody responds with "If he had offered this...I would have approved." One member said they'd be ok with it if it was a 3rd round pick. But I can't speak for anybody else. Most everybody else responded with something to the effect of "that's still not enough".[/QUOTE]

That's what I am saying though, people need to add that information. I don't think you are withholding anything from me. I think if someone is going to reject a trade that they add what they think would be fair (if it's easy to do in that situation such as adding a pick or moving a to a higher pick). I don't expect someone to go say add this specific player or what not, but in this situation it isn't hard to recommend something.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Titans - 42
Vikings - 6

Just put a beating on CPU Minnesota. Wouldn't even bother mentioning it other than the fact that this game was a great example of why sometimes when you're losing, you just run the ball and let the game end. Minnesota just kept throwing the ball in the 4th quarter, which kept causing them to turn the ball over. I didn't throw the ball once in the 4th, and still ended up with 21 points in the quarter. The CPU turned a good day from Chris Johnson into a ridiculous day, as he finished with 259 yards on 27 carries with 5 TDs. Thanks EA, for that little piece of programming...and this time I actually mean it. Wow, lol :)[/QUOTE]

So running the score up against another player = bad, running the score up against the cpu = good?
 
[quote name='Blade3D']That's what I am saying though, people need to add that information. I don't think you are withholding anything from me. I think if someone is going to reject a trade that they add what they think would be fair (if it's easy to do in that situation such as adding a pick or moving a to a higher pick). I don't expect someone to go say add this specific player or what not, but in this situation it isn't hard to recommend something.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you Blade. Same thing happened to me when they rejected my reggie bush trade. Would it need to be a 2nd rounder than, based on the fact Fleener was drafted in the 2nd round by the colts??
 
[quote name='Steggy']So running the score up against another player = bad, running the score up against the cpu = good?[/QUOTE]

The fact that people don't understand what running up the score actually means frightens me (especially consdering I explained the situation in my initial post). The CPU just continued to throw the ball, even when it was obvious they weren't going to come back. They kept giving me the ball back at midfield or closer, and their possessions were only taking about :40 because of the incompletions.

I didn't pass a single time in the 4th. They had all 3 timeouts. What else would you have me do there? Punt on 1st down? I agree with your premise completely though...which is why when I'm losing a game big, I chew clock myself as not to subject myself to any further punishment. My point was that it doesn't seem like EA programmed the CPU that way. They keep trying to "win the game" even when losing by 21+ points.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']The fact that people don't understand what running up the score actually means frightens me (especially consdering I explained the situation in my initial post). The CPU just continued to throw the ball, even when it was obvious they weren't going to come back. They kept giving me the ball back at midfield or closer, and their possessions were only taking about :40 because of the incompletions.

I didn't pass a single time. They had all 3 timeouts. What else would you have me do there? Punt on 1st down? I agree with your premise completely though...which is why when I'm losing a game big, I chew clock myself as not to subject myself to any further punishment. My point was that it doesn't seem like EA programmed the CPU that way. They keep trying to "win the game" even when losing by 21+ points.[/QUOTE]

The point I was eluding to was at what point in a game do you need to pull the plug and play your scrubs? Seems inconsistent with what the response to the last person that asked about running instead of taking hte knee to get more xp for their rb. In my opinion that is less worse than playing starters full bore and gaining 5 touchdowns with a single back.
 
I think I'm going to drop out from the league, at least for now.

Just not familiar with this console generation Madden, and I need to spend more time learning the basics (I don't even know how to hot-route lmfao). Basically haven't played this game outside of this league.

I'd be willing to squat the Ravens until a human replacement joins if necessary, as I believe I can at least play better than the CPU lol. Just think someone else who actually plays this game can do the Ravens more justice. DVO, I know you PM'd me an offer, but I think im going to decline for now since I'm probably not going to be the Ravens owner for much longer.

(nothing against my opponents; they've been nothing but respectful. I just need to learn the game better)
 
[quote name='Steggy']The point I was eluding to was at what point in a game do you need to pull the plug and play your scrubs? Seems inconsistent with what the response to the last person that asked about running instead of taking hte knee to get more xp for their rb. In my opinion that is less worse than playing starters full bore and gaining 5 touchdowns with a single back.[/QUOTE]

Bringing in backups is a reasonable point, because I would have been incredibly pissed if CJ got hurt in that kind of game. But my honest answer to you is I was too lazy to pause the game and sub players out (if the game had done it automatically, ala preseason, I would have just rolled with it). I played the game while my daughter was napping and was just trying to get through it before being interrupted by a screaming, currently teething 10 month old.

I will say though, running the ball has NEVER been considered running up the score. It's just common sense. It's the only way to keep the clock moving. You have to call a play. And no team is going to just kneel the ball three times and punt with 3-4 minutes left in the game. If you want to go back and reread my comments on the subject, you'll find I've never told anybody not to run the ball. The issue has always been with passing with a big lead. For anybody who watches football, this should be basic logic here. You run the ball to kill the clock. If the defense doesn't feel like stopping you, what should you do?
 
[quote name='moojuice']I think I'm going to drop out from the league, at least for now.

Just not familiar with this console generation Madden, and I need to spend more time learning the basics (I don't even know how to hot-route lmfao). Basically haven't played this game outside of this league.

I'd be willing to squat the Ravens until a human replacement joins if necessary, as I believe I can at least play better than the CPU lol. Just think someone else who actually plays this game can do the Ravens more justice. DVO, I know you PM'd me an offer, but I think im going to decline for now since I'm probably not going to be the Ravens owner for much longer.

(nothing against my opponents; they've been nothing but respectful. I just need to learn the game better)[/QUOTE]

That's up to you, man. I understand where you're coming from...as Madden is definitely a "trial by fire" kind of game. Just not sure how many other people are begging for a spot. I guess I'll add them to the open teams in the thread title, and see if it generates any interest.
 
Hey I was the guy that fsecreast posted about and I would like to be apart of this Madden Gentleman's League.


You can click on my name for contact info. I read the post about wanting active members and people who are serious about the league and I am the type of gamer that fits that mold.


If I'm in please let me know. I see both the Cowboys and Ravens are open so I guess I wouldn't mind either. But that's up to the big bosses I guess.

Just throwing in my hat in for consideration.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, he still has flashes...which makes me think the talent is still there. It just worries me that Munchak's system isn't right for him cause he seems to hesitate so much waiting for a hole to open. He played very well against both Houston and Pittsburgh though. Honestly, the Titans schedule has been brutal this year. So far, they've played the Patriots, Chargers, Lions, Texans, Vikings, and Steelers. That's four division leaders and underachieving Detroit and Pittsburgh teams. They've got the Bills, Colts, Bears, Dolphins, and Jaguars after that. I don't expect anything against Chicago...but the other four are all winnable games, and will likely determine where they finish.[/QUOTE]

well they got the bills next week so he'll probably run for 400 yards lol
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']The fact that people don't understand what running up the score actually means frightens me (especially consdering I explained the situation in my initial post). The CPU just continued to throw the ball, even when it was obvious they weren't going to come back. They kept giving me the ball back at midfield or closer, and their possessions were only taking about :40 because of the incompletions.

I didn't pass a single time in the 4th. They had all 3 timeouts. What else would you have me do there? Punt on 1st down? I agree with your premise completely though...which is why when I'm losing a game big, I chew clock myself as not to subject myself to any further punishment. My point was that it doesn't seem like EA programmed the CPU that way. They keep trying to "win the game" even when losing by 21+ points.[/QUOTE]


i agree that there has been games were i dont even throw the whole second half not once and you still put up numbers but i also agree that we should be putting in back ups but i will also i cant say much because i dont put all back ups in ill sub players out like rb and stuff but i dont go to depth chart and switch every one.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']That's what I am saying though, people need to add that information. I don't think you are withholding anything from me. I think if someone is going to reject a trade that they add what they think would be fair (if it's easy to do in that situation such as adding a pick or moving a to a higher pick). I don't expect someone to go say add this specific player or what not, but in this situation it isn't hard to recommend something.[/QUOTE]


I definitely agree with this. It would be nice to see what was exactly said. I think the individual feedback of each trade committee member would help.
I try using real-life football examples when coming up with trades (since we're trying to be a realistic league here).., Jay Cutler and a 5th went for Kyle Orton, TWO 1st-round picks, and a 3rd round pick. I figured Schaub for Sanchez was a little closer than Cutler for Orton, so I added just one 1st rounder.

It's hard to judge what would be accepted by this trade committee, because for the Texans' owner and myself, it was a fair trade. It also seems like a reasonable trade in real-life.
 
[quote name='moojuice']I think I'm going to drop out from the league, at least for now.

Just not familiar with this console generation Madden, and I need to spend more time learning the basics (I don't even know how to hot-route lmfao). Basically haven't played this game outside of this league.

I'd be willing to squat the Ravens until a human replacement joins if necessary, as I believe I can at least play better than the CPU lol. Just think someone else who actually plays this game can do the Ravens more justice. DVO, I know you PM'd me an offer, but I think im going to decline for now since I'm probably not going to be the Ravens owner for much longer.

(nothing against my opponents; they've been nothing but respectful. I just need to learn the game better)[/QUOTE]

I had no idea how to hot route either until I changed the controller settings back to Madden 10 ao I could press Y, then the receivers icon. I don't even know why they changed it.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']I definitely agree with this. It would be nice to see what was exactly said. I think the individual feedback of each trade committee member would help.
I try using real-life football examples when coming up with trades (since we're trying to be a realistic league here).., Jay Cutler and a 5th went for Kyle Orton, TWO 1st-round picks, and a 3rd round pick. I figured Schaub for Sanchez was a little closer than Cutler for Orton, so I added just one 1st rounder.

It's hard to judge what would be accepted by this trade committee, because for the Texans' owner and myself, it was a fair trade. It also seems like a reasonable trade in real-life.[/QUOTE]

The problem with comparing real life trades with Madden trades is that in real life there are know know 100% accurate attributes of a player to judge how they are going to perform. In madden, a player is his attributes. You can see just by looking them over, what there actual worth is going to be. There's no system for that in real life.

Edit: Plus in that trade you specified. The team giving the pick was the team getting the younger more promising player. In your potential trade, you are giving a pick to get rid of a younger (maddenwise) more promising player.
 
And if each owner wants to know what the committee thinks of their trade and wants suggestions on it, then that type of thing can be included. However, that kind of stuff should be taken care of through P.M's through N8 if the trade is declined and kept out of the thread. Just my opinion.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']The problem with comparing real life trades with Madden trades is that in real life there are know know 100% accurate attributes of a player to judge how they are going to perform. In madden, a player is his attributes. You can see just by looking them over, what there actual worth is going to be. There's no system for that in real life.

Edit: Plus in that trade you specified. The team giving the pick was the team getting the younger more promising player. In your potential trade, you are giving a pick to get rid of a younger (maddenwise) more promising player.[/QUOTE]

Aren't you the same person who was telling me how there is no potential rating in this game? How you would take a ratings boost over "pretend potential any day"?

I get that Sanchez COULD be upgraded, and COULD be at Schaub's level (maybe in 3 years in the last season of this league) but how am I supposed to get more XP with him when I can't throw a pass 10 yards accurately? At any other position, I would understand this argument, but I think QB's should be valued much higher considering they handle the ball close to 100% on offense. The only reason I've won games so far this season is my defense. Those that say Sanchez's madden value is higher than his real-life value....how so? Compared to the other 31 starting QB's in madden, I still think he's near the bottom 10.

Also, Orton and Cutler are basically the same age. Cutler is only about 5 months younger than Orton, not a huge advantage there. Orton was a good game manager, and would never be anything more than that. Cutler was brought in by the Bears to win a Super Bowl title. That title was supposed to come sooner rather than later... As a Bears fan, I don't know anyone who looked at that trade and saw Cutler as a promising, potential-filled player.. He was supposed to produce as soon as he was brought in, not years later. The trade I specified (Cutler/Orton) was to bring in a franchise QB, and win super bowls right away. Neither had great potential to get that much better. They were who they were. The trade I proposed is the same thing. Getting rid of a game manager for, albeit not a huge game-changer, but definitely one of the elite game managers in the NFL.

Not trying to argue with the decision made by the trade committee, just don't understand the argument in your Edit.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']Aren't you the same person who was telling me how there is no potential rating in this game? How you would take a ratings boost over "pretend potential any day"?

I get that Sanchez COULD be upgraded, and COULD be at Schaub's level (maybe in 3 years in the last season of this league) but how am I supposed to get more XP with him when I can't throw a pass 10 yards accurately? At any other position, I would understand this argument, but I think QB's should be valued much higher considering they handle the ball close to 100% on offense. The only reason I've won games so far this season is my defense. Those that say Sanchez's madden value is higher than his real-life value....how so? Compared to the other 31 starting QB's in madden, I still think he's near the bottom 10.

Also, Orton and Cutler are basically the same age. Cutler is only about 5 months younger than Orton, not a huge advantage there. Orton was a good game manager, and would never be anything more than that. Cutler was brought in by the Bears to win a Super Bowl title. That title was supposed to come sooner rather than later... As a Bears fan, I don't know anyone who looked at that trade and saw Cutler as a promising, potential-filled player.. He was supposed to produce as soon as he was brought in, not years later. The trade I specified (Cutler/Orton) was to bring in a franchise QB, and win super bowls right away. Neither had great potential to get that much better. They were who they were. The trade I proposed is the same thing. Getting rid of a game manager for, albeit not a huge game-changer, but definitely one of the elite game managers in the NFL.

Not trying to argue with the decision made by the trade committee, just don't understand the argument in your Edit.[/QUOTE]

Ok first, i am going to start by apologizing to N8 because this stuff was suppose to be kept out of the thread, hence the entire reason for the committee. And this will be my last response.

Ok now to your first point. It's not that there is potential, but we do know that players digress. Shaub being in his 30's is more likely to digress than to improve at an even pace with Sanchez. My comment, i believe was geared towards rookies that arn't even drafted in our league yet, not for players that we can already start working on their xp now.

Your second point, you can't complete 10 yard passes with Sanchez so you will never gain any xp. Here are Matt Shaub's accuracies for you. SAC-91, MAC-85. Now Sanchez's, SAC-86, MAC-82. The only big difference is in the deep passes which Shaub is a 82 to Sanchez's 71. But i'm taking a wild guess and thinking that a 10 yard pass isn't judged by his deep accuracy. Idk if you've even taken a look at the xp system, but it does not take 3 years to increase your accuracies that much.

Lastly, i was mistaken on the ages of Orton/Cutler. But there is no way to deny that Cutler was on the upswing and people clearly thought he had potential to be an Elite qb in the Nfl. Meanwhile, like you said Orton was thought to be a game manager. I was just pointing out that using real life trades to validate your in game trade is absolutely useless.

Like i said, this is my last post in thread about trades.
 
I'm really not going to discuss the merits of the trade committee again. We've gone over it a million times, and I don't have time for this today. But when multiple people come to the same conclusion without having any conversation between them, I have to trust that it is working exactly as it was intended.

As for the argument of "the value of a QB", I've seen guys who win with nobodies. I was extremely successful using Pat Devlin last year when I spent time playing as the Dolphins because his Short Accuracy was a 91. His Middle and Long were complete shit, but in the right system, it didn't matter. That's the type of information we have available in a video game. Instead of just saying "Oh, Sanchez is a bad QB", you have to look at what he does well, and utilize it. That's where the wording of "Madden Sanchez" comes into play.

You also have to consider the type of player that can be obtained in the 1st round. You're basically talking about trading Sanchez and another 82+ rated player with huge potential (and "potential" was a word before Madden turned it into a rating...I mean a guy with already very good individual ratings that could be groomed easily) for Schaub. That's where it starts to get lopsided.

And I'm tired of people continuously misunderstanding how many seasons this league will run. First people are claiming it'll go 8 seasons. Now we're only getting credit for 3? Jesus, people. PAY ATTENTION. Last year, we completed 3 seasons STARTING IN NOVEMBER. We're a little behind the pace due to the preseason, but we should easily complete 4 and have a chance for going 5. Now, this isn't an argument for why a trade is or isn't fair. But if you're going to use it as part of your argument, at least get it right.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Ok first, i am going to start by apologizing to N8 because this stuff was suppose to be kept out of the thread, hence the entire reason for the committee. And this will be my last response.

Ok now to your first point. It's not that there is potential, but we do know that players digress. Shaub being in his 30's is more likely to digress than to improve at an even pace with Sanchez. My comment, i believe was geared towards rookies that arn't even drafted in our league yet, not for players that we can already start working on their xp now.

Your second point, you can't complete 10 yard passes with Sanchez so you will never gain any xp. Here are Matt Shaub's accuracies for you. SAC-91, MAC-85. Now Sanchez's, SAC-86, MAC-82. The only big difference is in the deep passes which Shaub is a 82 to Sanchez's 71. But i'm taking a wild guess and thinking that a 10 yard pass isn't judged by his deep accuracy. Idk if you've even taken a look at the xp system, but it does not take 3 years to increase your accuracies that much.

Lastly, i was mistaken on the ages of Orton/Cutler. But there is no way to deny that Cutler was on the upswing and people clearly thought he had potential to be an Elite qb in the Nfl. Meanwhile, like you said Orton was thought to be a game manager. I was just pointing out that using real life trades to validate your in game trade is absolutely useless.

Like i said, this is my last post in thread about trades.[/QUOTE]

Am I missing something about this XP system? Doesnt it have a greater reward for how many total yards or passing TD's the QB has? You do understand that it would take 25 completed 10yd passes to get to that 250 yd goal per game? I'm going to take a wild guess and say you never used Sanchez, had wide open receiver 20-25 yards deep, and totally blew the throw. Having to dink and dunk constantly will NOT increase my XP as fast as you make it sound unless I'm totally missing something.. or unless you want me to throw 50 times a game. It's near impossible for me to hit my weekly QB goals.

How can you state earlier that Pouncey is not guaranteed to get better, but then do a 180 and say Sanchez can easily be upgraded?? LOL Please, just stop talking to me. I have no respect for your opinions.

BTW Schaub is only 31. To say he'll digress, even if we play 5 total seasons, is asinine. There was an uproar over Tom Brady being traded and he's 35!! lol. Being 30 and a QB is not the same as being 30 and a WR or RB. And NOBODY thought Cutler was going to be Elite (as in top 5). He was just a HUGE upgrade at QB (at that time), and the best Chicago has ever had (including McMahon). I don't know a single person who thought Cutler was going to become a Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. He was, and still is, what everyone thought about it. An over-aggressive QB who can make huge plays, along with mistakes. What is this "potential" you keep talking about? There was none with Cutler, you must be "mis-remembering"
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I'm really not going to discuss the merits of the trade committee again. We've gone over it a million times, and I don't have time for this today. But when multiple people come to the same conclusion without having any conversation between them, I have to trust that it is working exactly as it was intended.

As for the argument of "the value of a QB", I've seen guys who win with nobodies. I was extremely successful using Pat Devlin last year when I spent time playing as the Dolphins because his Short Accuracy was a 91. His Middle and Long were complete shit, but in the right system, it didn't matter. That's the type of information we have available in a video game. Instead of just saying "Oh, Sanchez is a bad QB", you have to look at what he does well, and utilize it. That's where the wording of "Madden Sanchez" comes into play.

You also have to consider the type of player that can be obtained in the 1st round. You're basically talking about trading Sanchez and another 82+ rated player with huge potential (and "potential" was a word before Madden turned it into a rating...I mean a guy with already very good individual ratings that could be groomed easily) for Schaub. That's where it starts to get lopsided.

And I'm tired of people continuously misunderstanding how many seasons this league will run. First people are claiming it'll go 8 seasons. Now we're only getting credit for 3? Jesus, people. PAY ATTENTION. Last year, we completed 3 seasons STARTING IN NOVEMBER. We're a little behind the pace due to the preseason, but we should easily complete 4 and have a chance for going 5. Now, this isn't an argument for why a trade is or isn't fair. But if you're going to use it as part of your argument, at least get it right.[/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying, and I wasn't trying to downplay the good things about the trade committee. I was just trying to get a QB who fits MY style better, not necessarily the style of the team I'm using. Isn't that why we have trades in the first place? I am trying to utilize Sanchez's abilities, that's why I try not to throw deep, and I do a bunch of short/intermediate passes. Also, just relying heavily on my defense. I'm just frustrated with people saying he's a good Madden QB, when he fails to complete even simple comeback routes. Or maybe it's just a user-error and I'm doing something wrong, and Schaub would be just as bad at throws.

In the end, the trade committee saved me a 1st rounder, so I'm definitely not against their decision
 
Yeah, but it's also dependent on the system the guy is in. And honestly, a lot of that I stopped looking at because EA fucked it up so bad. None of our teams have the right schemes to begin with, and the weekly goals are virtually the same for everyone. I have Chris Johnson, and yet my goals week in and week out are "throw for 350 yards". To me, the idea of "maximizing XP" is lost because the system is shit.

I basically just practice with my team, do the best I can in games, and improve my players where they need it. Whether or not I'm getting the most out of them is hard to determine because the game didn't set them up properly in the first place. Also, can we stop comparing these to real life trades. It's been stated that the information available to owners in real life and the reasons for which they do their trades are so far outside "video game logic", there's no point in bringing them up.

At the end of the day, a 5 person committee rejected the trade. I'm not going to just magically undo it.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, but it's also dependent on the system the guy is in. And honestly, a lot of that I stopped looking at because EA fucked it up so bad. None of our teams have the right schemes to begin with, and the weekly goals are virtually the same for everyone. I have Chris Johnson, and yet my goals week in and week out are "throw for 350 yards". To me, the idea of "maximizing XP" is lost because the system is shit.

I basically just practice with my team, do the best I can in games, and improve my players where they need it. Whether or not I'm getting the most out of them is hard to determine because the game didn't set them up properly in the first place. Also, can we stop comparing these to real life trades. It's been stated that the information available to owners in real life and the reasons for which they do their trades are so far outside "video game logic", there's no point in bringing them up.

At the end of the day, a 5 person committee rejected the trade. I'm not going to just magically undo it.[/QUOTE]

i've already accepted it, and resubmitted it. I wasn't BITCHING about it or trying to convince anyone to change their mind about it. Not sure what your problem is. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to view my opinion.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']I'm just frustrated with people saying he's a good Madden QB, when he fails to complete even simple comeback routes. Or maybe it's just a user-error and I'm doing something wrong, and Schaub would be just as bad at throws.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anybody was saying he's a "good Madden QB". The sticking point was that the differences between him and Schaub were not so large as to warrant giving up a 1st round pick. No one's making fun of you for not doing well with Sanchez. We're not that crazy, lol.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']i've already accepted it, and resubmitted it. I wasn't BITCHING about it or trying to convince anyone to change their mind about it. Not sure what your problem is. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to view my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I guess I just don't see the point. A 5 person committee voted on it. What do you expect to gain from trying to illustrate why the committee wasn't looking at the trade in the right way? You're welcome to voice your opinion. But tell me how you would have felt if nobody responded to it. Because honestly, we're both just wasting our time discussing it.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']LOL @ Cutler being the best QB in Bears history.[/QUOTE]

Name 1 that's better. haha. Chicago has seriously have not had a good QB in the Super Bowl era. and don't even say Jim McMahon was better. Dude was blind, and we only won b/c of defense and our running game.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']LOL @ Cutler being the best QB in Bears history.[/QUOTE]

if thats true then i guess Romo is the best QB in cowboy history as well ;)
 
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